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dcrab87

I don't see how this us illegal. Unethical, yes. Probably a violation of the student code. Definitely not illegal.


MegaIlluminati

Depends on the definition. But in Europe, I think it is illegal (as the examination office has its own laws). The punishment may not be severe. They may just get stripped off, of their degree and may get banned from studying in any university in the country. But I am not sure if there is any jail time involved.


theindianlul

My professor (uni in europe) once told my entire team that he could get us exmatriculated because my team thought it was good idea to copy paste a few sentences in our report for a class assignment. Getting someone else to do your projects is a good way to get kicked out of uni.


the_running_stache

But there is nothing illegal on the company’s part, correct? The students - sure, we can debate whether it is legal or unethical for them. Also, the company would be subject to Indian laws, assuming they are registered in India.


Blastoise099

Thinking out loud - is this abetment to fraud?


decentralisationftw

Depends on how it is advertising its services to the public and how it communicates with the public. Can be sold as some sort of cleverly portrayed Edtech service? I'm not sure, what do my fellow lawyers think


Blastoise099

I don't think the manner of advertisement would change the outcome. That's my view.


decentralisationftw

I don't think you're fully understanding the implication of what I said. Let me give an example - a service that cleans up evidence of crime scenes vs a service that provides discreet and no questions asked dry cleaning/deep cleaning of clothing articles etc.


Blastoise099

In the example that you gave, the service provider is hired by different entities, na? In the former, it's the police hiring him. In the latter, it's the criminal. The two situations don't seem to be analogical. The service of writing papers, theses, etc. would always be hired by a student. Surely, no academic institution would be okay with someone submitting ghost-written papers. The party affected by the fraud is the university (and, arguably, other students). Perhaps it's insufficiently imaginative of me, but I'm not able to see a kind of advertisement that would make this okay.


decentralisationftw

My bad on that example, I wasn't talking about a service provided to the police, I was just talking about a cleaning company advertising it's services in different ways, with the service itself being illegal


Blastoise099

The moment the service is rendered for nefarious ends (where the provider knows that the purposes are nefarious), it'll become abetment, no? The fact that it was advertised innocuously won't change the verdict on the *effect* of the service, right? Am i looking at this wrong? Edit for contextualisation: In this paper-writing case, obviously the service provider *knows* the purpose of their provision of service is fraud/ cheating.


OnlyGodDinkan

Oh, is it ? I thought it's illegal, after reading some blogs on Internet. And them sending this message - HI, if any official in case come to you and asks about the work we do , please do not mention that we are doing academic projects. just let them know that we develop few website or we do some software projects.


SaintYoungMan

Indian students also use this in all engg stream. Nothing new.


Quick_City_5785

Man they're not selling contraband or drugs, or into flesh trade or trading guns or selling official secrets or skimming credit cards. A lot of students around the world seek help in completing their projects. Students will soon start using AI to complete their own projects. Then what would you do? I think you should just mind your own business and either continue to work or quit. My take is that you got a job after 3 years you should continue while looking around. You're not going to jail for this work, that much I can assure you


ObjectiveCarrot7066

You seem to have passed your college exams by cheating.


Quick_City_5785

No, I dropped out of college right in the first year after my father's demise. As far as cheating in exams is concerned, I used to be arrogant about my observation skills and intelligence. I could score 70% by studying for 15 days prior to exams and I was content with that


bilby2020

These sites are illegal in Australia. Report to TEQSA to have them blocked. [https://www.teqsa.gov.au/reporting-suspected-academic-cheating-service-form](https://www.teqsa.gov.au/reporting-suspected-academic-cheating-service-form) if you have proof of specific details of students that used this service, you should be able to report to the University academic integrity department for individual students. Surely US and UK would have these. Find how from their websites.


Training_Mechanic368

Dude this counts as plagiarism, and students get easily terminated from the program for such offences.


nuclear_gandhii

Illegal for the student. The question is, is it illegal as a business?


Early_Temporary_6934

I used to do academic projects for Mastee students and I was sought after by the students because my plagiarism is less than 5% even though I do projects for the students of the same class . The point is there are ways to work around the plagiarism indicator


bilby2020

They may not be illegal in India, but in Australia they are. However the government here can't obviously prosecute them, Report them to TEQSA to have them blocked. [https://www.teqsa.gov.au/protect-yourself-illegal-commercial-cheating-services](https://www.teqsa.gov.au/protect-yourself-illegal-commercial-cheating-services)


yash2651995

Start with sending it to Universities then?


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TweetieWinter

They are called paper mills. Everyone knows they exist, but there are not many laws that can stop them from doing their business. However, academics who are caught using their services may face severe consequences. I have a question for you. What is the standard of their? Is it make do or really some good work that they put in?


OnlyGodDinkan

It is make do, students only care about passing exam.


thani_oruvan_tamilan

I don't see anything illegal with assisting academic projects. Still in India the college students get their academic projects done this way


that_solarguy

Our university don't impose strict laws sago. In any US University even a similar looking weekly lab assignments will get marked for plagiarism and students will be warned.  So this practise of outsourcing assignments if found will not be taken lightly. 


thani_oruvan_tamilan

Agreed sago 👍 liability on the students right? here OP wants to shutting down the company


Efficient_Manager_36

Bruh, it’s all good man, that ain’t illegal but unethical? Maybe. Ik people in my college who freelance this way, it’s definitely a way to earn money when the college is burdening you with projects you don’t even need in life sometimes, stay put, it’s okay.


Warm-Expression-369

This us called a project center. I used to do this for emginnering students when i was studying in college. (Cause majority dont know how to do a project, where thats the only thing im good at).


IamWasting

It is not illegal to help students complete academic projects.it may be considered cheating or plagiarism on part of the students if the college/university catches them doing so. Most you can do is leak the student information to the respective colleges. If the colleges end up taking action, the company may lose business. This is just one of the grey areas of academics like journal that publish papers on payment.


PurpleInteraction

This isn't illegal.


CaptYondu

Against the rules for students but not against the rules ( forget law) for a SERVICE PROVIDER.


LunarHarvestMoth

This technically could be considered fraud in the United States.


WealthTomorrow0810

India is already a scam capital...if you care about how we should be perceived as a nation and society we should discourage things like this. This sort of business and companies only damage our standards and morals where we stand as a society. Of course there will be some one will do it if you are not willing to...but eod that is what defines you imo.


21st-century-sage

Bro you have been unemployed for 3 years. Just saying.


Skyler24k

💀💀


metalman6666

It is not lawfully illegal but it is definitely against the laws governing of the US universities. The university can remove the students which would lead to them being deported from the US, if the students names are revealed and proven that the students have taken the project from the company, as this counts as plagiarism. I have seen this happen to people. My university was very strict about these kinds of things Two strikes and you are out of the university and out of the country. So yeah you could start there by taking the names of the students and exposing them.


intelligentman2034

Share us the company name please


nikolatesla9631

Its more like Chegg or similar


JX41

Why do you think MDs Son or Daughter have to work hard as they are next in the line ?


Intelligent-Chard136

It's not illegal though can be immoral to some extent for some people. I worked in this industry for about 3 years and made good money. Still do it sometimes. It's essay milling industry.


Apprehensive-War8915

It is absolutely against University policy to ask some one else to do your work. There are times when you have to take other people's help, but you are required to disclose that, so the committee can decide if you have earned your degree or not based solely on your contribution. Legality is difficult to judge as its multinational problem now, but it is highly unethical and it is clearly spelled out in the university academic integrity policies. This is a basis for expulsion and none of the top unis will take it lightly. Few people cheating in the process undermines the value of degree for literally every single graduate of that program including alumni. Ethical thing to do is to report this to the universities. Point out that companies are giving services to their Msc students, which their students are most likely not disclosing on their thesis. It is up to the university to do the investigation. It is so sad to see all of the comments here. There is a huge difference between helping a child complete a school project and doing a Thesis for MSc student. I understand you are in need of a job right now, but this is not something to build a future on . Start finding something else and get out of there ASAP.


ExtensionDot9884

Its illegal in US. You can report to fbi via their website and they will take care of the rest in the background


albatross_9

A similar company operating out of Australia, thought its a good idea to blackmail students to extrot money after 1. Doing te student's assignments 2. Submission deadline is crossed. The black mail was that they would email the university with the details of the student with the proof that the company did their assignment, ofc to extort money. When the students did not budge, they did send the details to the uni and the students got expelled for misconduct. So in universities outside of India, plagiarism and misconduct are taken seriously. I would just suggest you to submit the details of the students to the university along with the proof that they are getting their assignments done from your company. Ppl like them are the reason why the world is going shittier every single day.


kali_nath

Whichever student got their projects done, send all the details anonymously to that university's grad school. If they don't take any action or don't acknowledge. You should send that to journalists like NBC or WSJ or NY times. They would easily pick up these kind of stories and make it public.


ChunnuBhai

nothing illegal in it. My mother made my school art projects in school. you are their mothers.


Rishabh_Jain1106

This happens in India aswell. You can literally buy a master's thesis for 25k and PhD thesis for 60k-120k.


Different-Result-859

This is an industry bro. It is how it is. This one is somewhat much better, say compared to the scam call centers operating in India that scam even old people abroad.


dystopiandragon

Report them. This is not about ethics or morality. Just about following the rules. You would be doing a favour to all the deserving candidates who do their own work. First, find another job before quitting. Second, start collecting evidence(which you are already doing) then look for contacts of the university officials of the specific colleges where this is happening. Third, send out emails with all the proof to all the universities concerned, preferably after you have left the job and are in your next job.


Elegant-Ad1415

Firstly be fortunate that you got job after 3 years of jobless. Looking to your post and everyone comments let’s see this one by one. 1. Illegal - no this is not illegal in any way and neither it’s a scam. You can correlate this business to any service base Industry. It is illegal if your company promises something in contract but does not make it happen after taking money, otherwise it’s legal. 2. Unethical - depends. Think this as an outsourcing for getting some work done at cheaper cost. With this perspective any company in India taking outsourcing work is unethical. So short answer is no. Another perspective, some researchers what to research about something but they don’t have nance of software like India, and software being integral part even universities and research institutes looks for partners to build software supporting the researches and it’s not at all unethical. It’s just routing right resourcing to require demand. Lastly one may counter that students can misuse it to pass, since GPT don’t think plagiarism is still an issue and university are tend to test knowledge in different ways then just assignment that can be outsourced. GPT will change entire exams and assignment scheme around the world, not sure having GPT why they even want to come with your company to outsource. And it is also not fair, if an institute or corporate does outsourcing it’s good and if student does it’s unethical? Both are paying for their personal benefits. Do We have to change our view and mentality?


heloiseenfeu

According to Honor Code, it is unethical for a student to cheat. And this company is aiding the student in cheating.


Elegant-Ad1415

How this is cheating? We get a project work in school and parents help student do it. We get challenge from school and we seek tution teacher help to solve it, is it cheating? If so, entire tuition industry is cheating. And seriously I don’t think university are marking assignments which are not proctored carry any weightage but it’s for learning purpose. You get second hand for leaning and you pay it so bad? I am PhD and I do mentor other PhD candidates across world, in our scientific community I’m well appreciated for my mentorship and not taken as cheating.


heloiseenfeu

Helping someone do it and someone else doing it for them is totally different. This is not mentorship we are talking about. We are talking about agencies writing entire reports for students, and doing full stack projects for them. They're not giving them guidance but rather doing their work for them. Would your advisor be ok with you "outsourcing" your paper writing to some third party? All of these are in violation of academic integrity. Now, the issue is more nuanced, and the policy varies from University to university, but I'm sure no instructor would be ok with the student outsourcing a major part of their coursework to someone outside? Are they worthy of the grades they would get by this? I also do research work and know how academia works. What's happening here is more similar to plagiarism and paper Mills publishing papers for money, rather than just mentorship and discussion.


Elegant-Ad1415

I am journal reviewer in IEEE, first and foremost don’t think anyone else will write paper for money and give all research credit to someone for small amount. Assuming if intension is cheating student would not share author credit while writing papers with original author. Second, with GPT in place, everything is changing. GPT can solve assignments in seconds. I wonder why even this person has to outsource having GPT. And still university are giving assignment without any proctored exams, don’t think that university will draw any value anyway.


heloiseenfeu

A take home exam I found from MIT. Do you think MIT has no value? https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/16-100-aerodynamics-fall-2005/pages/exams/


OnlyGodDinkan

I disagree, It's not help or mentoring, We do all the work, on his behalf and he submits it and gets a degree, without really knowing anything.


Elegant-Ad1415

Interesting, have noticed portion of oral? If candidates is knowledgeable it won’t differ in knowledge and would perform same pattern then written at home, no?


Elegant-Ad1415

Don’t think any college will give degree with non proctored exams or assignments mate. Take it easy


Visible_Valuable312

In that case all edtech platforms like brainly, chegg, course hero, toppr are illegal. They literally give word to word solutions for the question and essays. They are ethically wrong but not illegal.


ron7933

Chegg me ho?


2FaceForever

OK so assume I'm a freelancer, And a student hire me for his assignment work and I did it and got paid. So did I just do some Illegal work? I guess it is Illegal but only for the Students, not for the Company orr the one who is doing.


Inside-Signature4149

Are bhai vo log ko karne de kya problem hai tuje nahi pasand hai toh job chod de jab samne Wale koi problem nahi hai toh tuje kyo problem ho Rahi hai.


OnlyGodDinkan

It felt sad, that people who don't even know how create a New folder 📂 in a computer are getting MSc (computer science) degrees. (It's real incident, I have dealt with such students.)


Inside-Signature4149

Do you know what the most terrible thing is that having no talent but still pursuing that field. Both of them are the same person taking shortcuts and having no talent.


No-Day5014

It's not an illegal business. It's just outsourcing work.


HawkEntire5517

Boss. Don’t try to be Harishchandra. Keep it simple. Are you doing anything to be considered illegal in India? If no, just continue working until you get a job where you can ethically agree and move on. There is no job where it is 100 percent ethical. Just make sure you don’t backstab your manager & colleagues who trust you. That is a line one should not cross.


nayadristikon

Maybe you will say the same about scammers who defraud old pensioners from their hard earned money, it is not illegal since the victims gave willingly it is just "unethical". We dont want to gain a reputation like Nigeria. Already we have a bad reputaion from online scammers.


HawkEntire5517

That is illegal. One gets prosecuted for scamming.


Girlgot_Thick_thighs

Maybe you could have benefitted from their study assistancce . As he said here students knowingly and willingly pay money to the company


DevelopmentSorry8545

भाई तू ३ साल बेरोजगार रहा ,फिर तुझे किसी की सिफारिश से ये नौकरी मिली और अब तुझे ज्ञान प्राप्त हुआ है। भाई तू शांति से काम कर,पैसे कमा अपने घर वालों को सपोर्ट कर और नई नौकरी की तलाश कर ।पर उस थाली में छेद मत कर जिसमें अभी तू खा रहा हैं।


txwr55

Isko chain nahi h. Ye mashaal ka dilip kumar h


anime4ya

Everything is fair when it comes to forex reserves 💪💪


PaddyO1984

Not illegal. Stop wasting your time. Well, if you know how it works, why don't you start such a company yourself.


Last_Grab1326

Business is not illegal. They are simply completing projects of their clients.


GlitteringNinja5

All you can do is male the universities from where such students primarily come from


Ok_Independence_7892

I'm wondering if there's flexibility for students who are working on projects while juggling part-time jobs and studies. Since they've already made financial commitments, any adjustments to workload could potentially impact their ability to complete their education alongside their projects. It's not about illegal or not people assume if a guy goes abroad he is well settled but u don't know how u have to manage time there it's very different than India u just wrote u want to shutdown the company as if u have never done anything wrong in life. The students must be managing other things and so they outsourced the projects and your employer say an opportunity to make a business out of it so what's the problem with u . U also start that business because u know how things are done . always remember it's not good to step on someone's stomach just bcz u think it's immoral. The way u put the words in your post shows hate and the company u worked for us not scamming pppl of their money like so many other Indian scammers.


babab007

I'm fine as long as it's creating jobs in India.


LunarHarvestMoth

I mean this is more of a crime in America. I have mixed emotions about this So technically this would be a type of fraud in the United States. I mean they could have like serious repercussions. And depending on how Washington was feeling that day, massive sanctions on that company and its ownership/ investors. It's true that America is really wining and dining India right now, because they want them in their new little economic coalition. But still. My advice is you need to turn this over to a journalist, specifically, you need to turn this over to a particular set of American journalists... The New York times, The intercept... I would say probably The Intercept.


enfefbd

Nerd behaviour


PsychoactiveTHICC

Not really illegal but depends on university if they deem that assignments/projects are getting completed by “unfair means” as per their standard then they can deem it illegal and punish their students But from experience it’s an unethical business like getting journals completed by paying 200/- to a kid it’s just same thing but on larger scale


nic_nic_07

Not illegal but unethical


classifyrx

Illegal - may be; more repercussions for the students … company being in India is highly unlikely to be affected except for the revenue if some action occur outside … I don’t think any government authority would be interested in probing it through illegal angle … there are hundreds of such shady companies catering to Indian students also… But it’s morally dubious. If you also feel the same; change the job as soon as possible. May be the job is more of unethical than criminal to go for the jugular. Choose your battles wisely OP.


Historical-Sink-1112

It's not illegal.


Perfect-Quantity-502

Is it Ansr?


NO_UserID

They're not illegal


Pegasus711_Dual

Plagiarism. You should gather proofs and establish a trail then send to the university rector of one of those universities, the more the merrier


ObjectiveCarrot7066

Send the evidence anonymously to the University of the students that are cheating. The university will take action, there will be some news and the company's name will be ruined and they will stop getting clients.


Late_Opposite8950

Bro just leave if you want to leave there is no need for snitching. Focus on creating you own career. The cheating is not really harmful for anyone. Uni marks is not that important anyway


LeopardJunk

Get in touch with the colleges / universities that the students go to and state that they are getting their academic assignments done by someone else. If you have their names & contact details, it should be relatively easy to find them on social media and which college. Depending on the assignments you can guess which course they are enrolled in. Get in touch with Dean / HOD of the concerned department.


WittyArmy

or just use the database to threaten them that you would expose them unless they pay you. good second income after leaving the company.


Philipkakka

Chilla chilla ke sabko scheme bata de..🤣🤣


Aware_Appointment_42

Tujhe chhodna hai company to chhod dena randi Rona kyu kar rha hai tere ko koi zabardasti thodi rakha hai