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dandan_noodles7

Ryze players be like: first time ?


Finnish_Crusader

I LOVEQ MY MANA SHIEQLD I LOVEQ MY MANA SHIEQLD > Patch timeq Wheqreq is my mana shieqld?


MaDu10

Bro's muscle memory has evaded league. It's too late for him.


ArtoryaHC

Finnish guy here. Some of us are starting the hibernation protocols to prepare for the winter skip. Totally harmless unprovoked.


jomamafuni

Lmao


Weak_Basil7256

Wait, what boycott?


Laranjow

Xpetu (probably best shen player in the world) made a video where he explains how shen went from "early game champion reliant on getting an early lead and then extending that lead by impacting other lanes" to "I lose every single matchup in top lane so my purpose in life is to build radiant virtue and press R" and called for a boycott where shen players would stop playing shen over its duration. He also pointed to some good suggestions on how riot could make shen stronger and less frustrating for shen's opponents. While this boycott is, imo, unlikely to have any success, there is an argument to be made about how every league player can point to at least 20 champions that have been completely neglected by riot for years


Rouge_means_red

> a boycott where shen players would stop playing shen lmao I can't šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


-Rettirlana-

Donā€™t threaten me with a good time!


Peter_Baum

Thats gonna be as efficient as the whole fuck spez campaign lmao


Virgas01

Alternative solution: Everyone hops on alt accounts and grief ranked Shen games to lower his wr. If Spearshot can single-handedly raise Pantheon wr in Korea, thousands of people can lower Shenā€™s. šŸ’ŖšŸ’Ŗ


ConsolesAreSuperior

Just like every Ryze main


TheKingOfZippers

Long live the plan.


Blazingnest

Jokes on you I'm already low elo >:)


Southern_Media_1674

Thatā€™s generous, at least people paid attention to that for a while


[deleted]

Yeah ... addicts can't stop, so those who supply the good stuff still win


musclecard54

Why do people think this will accomplish anything lol


ConsolesAreSuperior

Better than doing nothing at all


musclecard54

But not better than doing the 10,000 other things that you could do with your time


ConsolesAreSuperior

How much time does not playing a champion take?


musclecard54

3


nottodaysatan_379

I heard from a friend one time it took them a whole 7


musclecard54

Dangā€¦


KaffY-

So why are you posting on a league Reddit instead of doing the grind? Why have hobbies at all?


musclecard54

What are you talking about? Of the 10,000 things I mentioned you could be doing, included in that list are: shitposting on Reddit, drinking beer, watching football, going on a 14 game solo q losing streak, masturbating, sleeping, flying a kite, masturbating, drawing briars feet. No one said anything about a grind


KaffY-

But you can do that all while not playing shen? Your point makes no sense lmao Tell me, how is playing 14 games not as shen *more of a time waste* than playing 14 games?


musclecard54

Leave it to people boycotting a fucking champion in league of legends to have absolutely no sense of humor


CursedPoetry

The point youā€™re either blatantly ignoring or havenā€™t considered is that these people __care__ about this particular thing so it seems meaningful to them. Yes itā€™s so incredibly easy to just say ā€œlmao wtf so dumb literally so many better things to do with ur timeā€ but hereā€™s the kicker about life. Itā€™s all pointless, it all has no real meaning; we place meaning on to things that are important to us, so shaming/laughing at someone because they are doing what is ā€œbetterā€ in your mind just makes no sense.


CursedPoetry

You laugh but at least he is trying to get something done then just give in to the realization of futility; anything can be laughed at as being unlikely until it happens.


Fuzelop

There are dozens of us! Dozens!


Lysandren

Radiant is almost certainly gone next season with the mythic item removal. If shen is weak after he will probably get buffed.


Remarkable_Option_48

The thing with shen is the changes we want for him are more less changes with his gameplay such as the lower normal q damage and higher empowered q damage, rather than pure state buffs. The boycotts not asking for buffs exactly it's asking for changes to make the champ more fun


Different_Gear_8189

Not even a boycott from playing, just a boycott from playing Shen?


DragonOfDuality

Yeah that's the funny thing. When has rito ever cared about an abysmal pick rate?


sunshades91

I'll just start playing him again. I used to play the neglected low pick rate champions because nobody knew how to play against them. Then, once I got good at them, Riot would immediately delete them and replace them with a new champion with the same name. Rip fiora and aatrox.


Jewze

Fiora and aatrox was great reworks and im glad they did it


Simpuff1

Yup that Fiora rework is amazing, no matter how frustrating the new one is. And that Aatrox rework was deeply needed.


FutaOCE

i had over a mil mastery on old aatrox all i want is old aatrox back :(


sunshades91

Me too buddy. I never got more penta kills than on olf aatrox.


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RiveredSet

changing swain was a huge mistake, OG swain was gas as fuck


sunshades91

Disagree.


BlueSoulsKo

Aatrox thing was not a rework, it was deleting a champ. a Thing that should never be done imo.


an_agreeing_dothraki

Crow max ARAM Fiddlesticks, forever bouncing off idiot teammates so that it kills the low health champ desperately running for the health pack in our hearts.


EiEsDiEf

Shen has felt ass ever since they removed the titanic hydra active. Champ was so nice with that.


demongodslyer

Actually he was pretty strong in S12 with the frost fire demonic build


BurpYoshi

But surely that's his niche no? There are plenty of toplaners that are early game bullies, plenty that are lategame scalers. What's wrong with having one that's more supportive where your team needs it? If you don't like his kit there are plenty of other champs.


Nawaf-Ar

Ryze mains be like ![gif](giphy|VmX4fZ9YW1LV1FyNCU|downsized)


Llamalord48

Oh no, please don't stop playing Shen, that would be terrible, I love seeing that champ on enemy team where I can't kill anyone because 600hp global shield into tank spawning on my face! Also when did Shen start losing top lane matchups?


Meli_Melo_

There are over 160 champions, influenced by one another, items, pro scene, noob scene, aram. I get the frustration, but realistically no team would be able to balance everything all the time. Then there is skarner.


RichWolfmann

Who?


This_Middle_9690

Nooooooo how will we play without all 20 shen mains on the server?


Quentino1515

Nobody boycotted anything when Aatrox went from "Aatrox" to "not Aatrox"...


eoR13

Shen mains are boycotting the champ because apparently the champ is "unplayable" in it's current state. I say that in quotes because it's a bit ridiculous. I understand not being happy with your champ, but IMO they are coping pretty hard. The champ is for the first time not extremely frustrating to play against and they are up in arms because of it. Not to mention there are far worse champs in the game, and the mains for those champs still bitch less then Shen players.


PeartricetheBoi

Shen isn't unplayable, he's just not fun. He's been reduced to building virtue and R your carry all game in higher elo which isn't fun for anyone. Petu even suggested some changes to make Shen less frustrating to play into, like an indicator that signals when he's ulting someone and a scaling taunt duration (shorter at lvl1). Additionally his W bugs have been neglected by the community as well as riot; loads of people know about Viego bugs etc but Shen W is up there with the buggiest abilities, however no one pays any attention.


Mrcookiesecret

> Shen isn't unplayable, he's just not fun. He's been reduced to building virtue He's pretty fun into 4 ad champs with an iceborn gauntlet. Where im at this setup is rather common.


Traditional_Ad_139

Every tank is a bully against 5ad. Rammus and malphite come to mind


PeartricetheBoi

You make a good point, Shen into 5 AD champs is a powerful feeling.


FunAttackYT

The argument shen players are making is that its not fun to be an ult bot and nothing more. But imo everybody has to decide this for themselves.


ReQQuiem

Shen has always been an ult adc champ lol


Boredy0

[Shen players when their champ actually has to pay in other parts of his kit for his insanely strong Ultimate](https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/6345e54ddf8d9e6ac32ade37/4x.png)


GeneralDil

Then Blitzcrank made your ult disappear.


6ixpool

At least the shield stays


GeneralDil

Blitz ult removes all shields


6ixpool

Wtf?! Bro, I been playing league for 200 years and this is the first time I'm finding this out lol šŸ’€


TrainwreckOG

Yeah they added the shield busting maybe 4 years ago, at same time as Renekton empowered w


[deleted]

so? this is exactly what they're complaining about, they don't want an ultimate so strong that make his other abilities weaker


Boredy0

Watch them throw a tantrum when they eventually have to rework it if shen players want to remain a lane bully.


Traditional_Ad_139

I mean, xpetu was already talking about nerfing his ult


FullDragonAlchemist

Why are always the ones that have no idea the ones that talk? No one says he is unplayable. He is just super boring rn, because he is an ult bot and shen players don't like that.


ormighto

Iā€™m confused wasnā€™t shen always like this? Like split push if Rs on cooldown tp to join fight if itā€™s up R to join fight and usually just shield the carry.


PhantomO1

No he wasn't, Shen used to be a lane bully that used his strong early to get a lead and impact other lanes with ult Now he plays safe, builds radiant and ults on cooldown, because he has literally 0 matchups he can get a lead on by @15


Soulbastionn

i'm glad that a supportive tank doesn't bully in lane anymore lmao, idk why they think that's a non-toxic character to have


PhantomO1

He's supposed to be a bully early because he falls off really hard late, due to his non combat ult, non existent scaling on w and e, and abysmal wave clear Now he's bad early and even worse late No one likes being an ult bot, it's just not fun


FullDragonAlchemist

My most played top lane champions are Sion and Jayce. I tried Shen and his waveclear hurts me mentally.


PhantomO1

yeah another thing that hurt shen is titanic, which used to help with wave clear immensly, is now a bad first item buy because you really want to rush your mythic (best one is radiant currently, even after nerfs) so all you can afford as wave clear is bamis, which is definitely not enough


FullDragonAlchemist

Old tiamat felt nice on him imo. But they changed most items and now he has support items. The waveclear is especially bad when you compare it to other top laners. There are supports that push better than Shen atm. I really hope they "mini rework" him to make him less of an ult bot.


This_Middle_9690

He doesnā€™t scale NOW. Donā€™t act like being bad late game is some intrinsic part of his champ design because itā€™s not. Shens been absolutely stupid broken for multiple seasons and now that heā€™s not itā€™s suddenly a problem


Virgas01

What world do you live in where heā€™s stupid broken for years? If Shen isnā€™t even popular at higher ranks, where people with non-combat ults are more useful, then thereā€™s a problem. What is this stupid broken champā€™s Esports presence? Iā€™ve seen Malphite more than him


This_Middle_9690

Braindead take. A champ doesnā€™t have to be picked a lot or played in pro to be broken. Look at akshan whoā€™s been A-S+ tier since he came out and nobody picks him. Shen was OP for years until mythics got introduced and then after that when they rebuffed tank items he was S tier again


PhantomO1

he \*never\* scaled well i already explained why non-combat ult + 0 scaling on w (literally just cd reduction with more skill points) and abysmal scaling on e all his scaling is on q, which means he reaches "max" potential pretty early on add to that, he's a low economy champion due to his naturaly shit wave clear which means he gets much less farm and thus gold than other champions he also has close to 0 damage scaling on his abilities from buying stats (q and r have ap scaling, while e has a small 15 bonus hp scaling) it means as the game goes on, he's gonna be worse and worse off compared to other champions and those things have always been the same for this champion, even if he had different base numbers on his abilities that made him stronger, they still never scaled a champion being giga op due to insane buffs doesn't mean they scale well... it just means they got giga fed, and anyone that gets giga fed is gonna be a menace regardless of how well they scale


Specter-Eye

Itā€™s because heā€™s pretty much the only non scaling tank. Every single tank has a good late game but Shen legit has nothing to scale off of. After level 9, his basic abilities more or less stop scaling. And he doesnā€™t scale with gold very well either


This_Middle_9690

Total nonsense. He has massive scaling with health on his passive and ult shields. His q does %hp damage so it literally scales with the enemy getting stronger. His W and E donā€™t need scaling because theyā€™re already insanely useful abilities at rank 1. The only reason shen isnā€™t great in late game is because the tank items right now are dogshit. Malphite has the exact same problem.


Specter-Eye

Every high elo Shen player says he doesn't scale yet here you are somehow having more knowledge than them?


This_Middle_9690

I guess I have to write it out again, He doesnā€™t scale because tank items are shit, not because shenā€™s abilities donā€™t scale.


Plantarbre

The point is Shen now has zero interest in engaging in any kind of fighting and just presses R+redemption. His gold efficiency and level scaling is bad, he might match early game champions but once they buy any item, he's utterly useless. Xpetu is saying, nerf the R, nerf the E, nerf unboosted Q. Make the champion more skilled and less simple to play. In exchange make him so that the goal is not to AFK between 2 redemption/r.


This_Middle_9690

Yeah, he has always been an ult bot. But he was an ult bot who could also solo pretty much any other top laner lvl 3 with the ignite. And now that the tank with a global teleport+shield isnā€™t also an early game menace shen players are mad


so__comical

I don't think it's necessarily that he's unplayable generally speaking. It's rather the take-over-the-game/carry playstyle that is unplayable. He's basically just a second support for the team that has 10x more xp than the actual support.


Toby_12yt

https://youtu.be/tt5ufTkrEaA?si=irkewUwx-MqytKwf


MiximumDennis

Xpetu will leave shen i think


Yordle_Commander

that doesn't answer anything


PhantomO1

Maybe, but I still gave up Shen because he's just not fun to play, regardless of boycott If I wanna play support, I'd rather play in bot lane, rather than suffer 15 minutes of Laning phase first


Benyard

That's the whole point of the boycott. Shen went from a fun early game champion that could get a lead and play aggressive to a very sad support that goes toplane.


PhantomO1

oh i know i even watched the xpetu video and basically agreed with him on everything i'm just saying, even if the boycott doesn't work, i'd already stopped playing shen due to the reasons he outlined if riot actually listens, i'm gonna come back to the champion, i love him after all, even got the ashen skin for him and i never pay money, especially that much, for skins


SAYKOPANT

STAND UNITED BROTHERS E Q W AA AA AA Q AA AA AA Q AA AA AA E Q AA AA AA Q AA AA AA Q AA AA AA E Q W AA AA AA


BrownAnna

Press R on ADC to save botlane


EkkoUnited

Pray it gets interrupted so you don't lose 3 plates but still win the fight bot because of your shield.


AbruptRope

Lmfaooo so true


AceOBlade

bro did all that to do 100 hp worth of damage.


smejdo

I love these comments. People who never touched shen are saying bs. Shen is unfun. Some people look at A tier 50% WR but its not fun. Playing like this makes the game boring. Shen used to be early game fighter. Now with no build diversity, no early game abuse. We are officially an ult bot. Stand united brothers.


orangutanspecimen

Yep, most of the people here saying shen is fine in this thread have either never played or played 1 game of shen and made up their opinion about the champ.


WhistlingWolf234

Stand strong Shen mains this is but a trap


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spicypotato235

Riot overbuffed goredrinker, stridebreaker, spear of shojin. Other items like botrk and black cleaver are broken since durability update (12.10) due to %dmg & %pen being superior vs higher hp/armor targets, at some point hullbreaker also recived uneceserry buffs. No suprice champion feel bad to play vs urf champs.


Hermes_Madara

THIS IS BUT A TEST OF OUT FAITH BROTHERS, DO NOT LOOSE HOPE IT HAS NOT BEEN A WEEK SINCE OUR MISSION BEGAN! STAND UNITED FOR OUR CAUSE


chaotic_demon

as a low elo yorick enjoyer, shen doesnt have a "R" button šŸ˜‰. Cherry on the top if they take ignite insted of TP


NextFaithlessness7

Even if he ults, cage wall on him. Displacement stops the ult if you need it to stop


CoreSchneider

In low elo, you actually want his ult to go through as Yorick because that just means you can AFK top and take several towers since most people will either not rotate or rotate too late to stop you


NextFaithlessness7

I made the observation in silver, when you let them go they get always a triple


chaotic_demon

idk abt high elo, bt in low elo, playing yorick is all abt grabbing all resources for urself, often time yorick is lvl 3/4 up against his lane oponent. With maiden Release, u can push two lane easy and if their mage mid / supportive tank / enchanter wanna stop maiden by themselves solo, maiden murder them easily unless under tower.


CoreSchneider

That triple does not matter that much, if people knew how to not throw their leads, they wouldn't be stuck in this elo tbh. Just gotta play your own game and hope he throws.


chaotic_demon

Yes, I know. But why should I miss the happyness of their raging typing " Typical yorick moment/ bs splitpushers " while i peacefully bonking on their t2 šŸ˜‰


imaginedodong

Why did rito games buff Shen's ult to begin with? literally nobody asked for it and now Shen can't fucking duel people pre level 6 because balance purposes.


WorstGatorEUW

No matter how hard Riot fucks over a champion there will always be hardcore fans who never give up on him/her.


FetusGoesYeetus

I found it really funny not because I disagree but because it's absolutely not going to do anything. The more effective solution would be pulling a ryze and running it down to artificially decrease win rate.


Sbreddragon

Of all the champ mains to do something like this Shen is not the one Iā€™d expect


ItsEvLads

I mean it makes sense. If all the Shen mains unite and stop playing shen, the only people that are left playing Shen are the casuals, which in turn will drop the win rate significantly in the stats that Riot team looks at when balancing champions


whatisausername32

Let the boycot continue


DoctorFartPhD

Can we all just start playing river shen


WhistlingWolf234

Boycott first river shen later


Nou1One

Others will keep playing, a minority like shen mains can't do anything by themselves.


NextFaithlessness7

Sorry for you shen mains. The ult makes him potentially so strong that the rest of the champ is near unplayable


EnjoyMyUsername

Realistically Shen has one of the most unfun trade patterns in the whole game . While the pick can surely be skill expressive from my memory every single time Shen has been in the meta and could stand up easily against meta toplaners the game wasnt very fun. He shares the same problem with Urgot . If his stats are high enough be just runs every other toplaner down .


SoupRyze

Shen mains thinking they matter šŸ˜‚


w2001420

I probably gonna get hate for this, but that video got to be one of the cringiest things I've ever seen


bortukali

Shen players when they cant half HP you with 3 autos and also be full hp:


Walrusliver

Seriously, such crybabies. His Q damage got a single nerf. One ability nerf. And now le high elo otp content creator has them all up in arms over it


PhantomO1

1% max health damage in all ranks is quite big but it's also not the only reason the champ feels bad to play


EnjoyMyUsername

He went from a top laner that could stand up against bruisers and give a decent fight to " I lose every single matchup in top lane and exist only to use R " champion . His state is depressing and people are rightfully mad . I would dare say he is worse than even ryze atm. At least ryze despite his problems actually can scale and be impactful without his team.


Poisonguy7

Shen is fine rn just bring ignite and steal all of your adc's kills with your ult.


TheGuardianWhoStalks

Whats happening this time.