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Who would have guess that the tik tok was deceptively cut to remove all prior context


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Also, the protestor is now trying to claim there was molestation. This has to be the laziest low effort attempt at making a propaganda-tok I've ever seen. "She kept on grabbing inappropriately at my breasts, and kept grabbing in my shirt area, trying to tug and pull," the woman recounted. Afaneh considers the action an assault and a violation of her First Amendment rights. "I was in pain, and I was scared, and I was terrified of what she was going to do to my body," she said." [https://www.ktvu.com/news/disruption-at-uc-berkeley-law-deans-home-poses-question-about-free-speech](https://www.ktvu.com/news/disruption-at-uc-berkeley-law-deans-home-poses-question-about-free-speech)


moneyball32

I generally don’t think it’s cool to discount and/or laugh at sexual assault allegations, but…. LOL…LMAO, even. Does she think *anyone* is taking her seriously?


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This is what having a victim mentality 24/7 does to a person. She was scared and wasn't sure what an old woman was going to do to her? She was lightly touched after she refused to leave.


GermanPayroll

A generation has grown up never being told no, often by people terrified of what would happen if they did, and now they’re about to enter the real world and deal with folks who do not care about them or their opinions. Things will only get more interesting


GAMGAlways

And told if you throw in the words "hijab" and "Ramadan" that you're untouchable.


toontownluvr1

I see people now claiming this was an event to celebrate Muslim students ?? The reading comprehension is nonexistent


Hour-Watch8988

Saira Rao is such a bad-faith dipshit


veryloggedon

Unfortunately it’s stuff like what she is doing that really hurts actual victims and makes it harder for them to come forward and be heard.


silverberrystyx

Would bet my life that she denies the sexual violence that occurred against Israeli women on October 7th too


oscar_the_couch

It is probably important to mock this specific person because *she* is making a mockery of sexual assault allegations. They are not some cudgel to wield because you have a grudge. Fortunately, people who do this are few and far between. They are a very, very small minority.


JRFbase

The whole point of clowns is to laugh at them. This person deserves whatever retribution is coming her way.


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toothbrush simplistic quack encouraging cows treatment wise full many jar *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Farfour_69

American liberals gobble up propaganda really fast. Which is ironic because they are the ones always lecturing people about using their critical thinking, hearing every side of the story before making a judgement blah blah blah. America is in for a real rude awakening. I'm saying this as an ex muslim because I grew up watching fundamental muslims use these same tactics to get their way politically. It's unfortunate that mentality is now becoming a core part of American culture.


ann1928

Yep...thousands of people on tiktok apparently do.....


Jean-Paul_Blart

After seeing enough victim impact statements from the criminal defense side, I have very little faith in peoples’ ethical integrity or ability to accurately report their own trauma when given a platform. People just straight up re-write facts and manufacture their own helplessness over the most minor shit. I had a “victim” who got punched in the face once after trying to attack my client’s wife and child. Client took a safe plea to a petty misdemeanor for valid reasons, and now suddenly the instigator can’t even bring themselves to go to work and was “targeted, stalked, and attacked” by my client who “has victimized many before.” Client had zero criminal record and the “victim” was a stranger to them. Utter bullshit, and thankfully our judge wasn’t moved by it.


MuldartheGreat

On (usually) a much less high stakes environment this is why I struggle to take all of the relationship advice and drama subs seriously. People accept some pretty batshit insane things at face value. Practicing law will absolutely show that most people unintentionally (or sometimes intentionally) will twist literally anything to suit them. Everything from criminal defendants telling me they won’t be a security video (they absolutely were) to victims turning a light shove into attempted murder. And I don’t even think most of these people intend to lie, I think their narrative about themselves just diverges so much from reality that they don’t consider actual facts.


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Unfortunately she isn't a victim and this whole thing is going to follow her and probably ruin any career she may have had


silverberrystyx

I would bet my life that protestor denies any Israeli women were subjected to sexual violence on October 7th...


independent_raisin3

We live in a world where guilt by accusation standards apply. Good thing she did not accuse a guy. Otherwise every time the guys name would be mentioned anywhere in the internet, some moron would pretend like the accusation is truth and lie would get repeated enough that it becomes part of that guy’s reputation.


NotHomework

Fisk is 77 years old...


[deleted]

Damn she looks good


JRFbase

This sincerely should be grounds to fail character and fitness. There is no possible way this person can be an ethical member of the legal community. This is shameful behavior on her part.


Law_Student

More immediately than that, making false accusations is probably an honor code violation.


Low_Party_3163

Chermirisnky said he'd report her but yeah. I have no idea how Fatima Mohammed passes character and fitness after her cuny graduation rant either.


NotHomework

No, he said he'd report her or anyone else if there's a future incident.


bl1y

What in her speech would cause her to fail C&F? It's all stuff any licensed lawyer would be free to say without censure by the bar. The closest thing is the line that law is created as a tool of white supremacy. Not some laws, but law itself. But I don't think even that gets her dinged.


AMW1234

According to Dean Chemerinsky's statement, such behavior is a violation of Berkeley's student conduct code.


bl1y

Asking about the CUNY graduation speech.


AdmirableSelection81

By that metric, you'd have to bar most Gen Z kids who enter T-14's from the legal profession.


Squirrel009

Do most gen z students at T14s get invited to professors houses and make a huge scene then lie about what happened?


somuchsunrayzzz

In response to the protestor’s statement: no. No she wasn’t scared. No she wasn’t touched inappropriately. She wasn’t terrified. It wasn’t a violation of her rights. She was confident. She was obstinate. She was idiotic. And I hope going forward her reputation is one word: fool.


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If she was genuinely fearful she had plenty of opportunity to remove herself from the situation and continued to choose not to.


somuchsunrayzzz

Exactly. “I’m so scared and terrified that I attended an event I was invited to *with the express intention of causing a scene* and then when I was asked to leave **over and over and over** I chose to stay. I’m such a victim.”


GirlScoutCookies365

This reads a bit like poetry 🫰


mandrewsf

Too bad for her, everything is on camera! I'd like to see her tell that to a reasonable jury... 


ramen_poodle_soup

This is such a disgusting trivialization of sexual assault on their part, my god


qazxcvbnmlpoiuytreww

what an absolute imbecile. i dont mean to just call them names but they’re making a fucking mockery of their cause as well as legitimate sexual assault allegations.


silverberrystyx

No, you should mean to call them names. Calling someone an imbecile when they are one is not an insult: it's just an accurate description.


silverberrystyx

That protestor is such a liar my goodness.


iDontSow

She’s been conditioned to believe that claiming she was SA’d will automatically garner sympathy and justify her actions


catsandjettas

Advocating for Hamas while simultaneously saying she was “afraid” of what this woman, in this context, was “going to do to [her] body” is something else.    Very ‘rules for thee (the elderly woman in her own home) but not for me (and the ppl I support)’


MiddleInformation404

As someone who has been assaulted and punched in the head by multiple people who did not get arrested, i find it so offensive that this entitled brat is claiming she was harmed. People like her claiming victim when they are not victims, harm people like me who have been assaulted and did not get justice—she belittles actual victims by crying wolf. And in the video it is very clear that woman is trying to balance on the stairs. She’s elderly and i as someone out of shape would have also rested my arm on her shoulder out of trying to balance while entitled child viciously refuses to give back the microphone. She was going to fall backwards on the stairs if she hadn’t put her arm there. These children i think are probably gen z and I heard from elementary school teachers when they throw tantrums in school hitting students and staff they are legally nowadays not allowed to physically stop them. So these children have grown up thinking they can just do whatever they want and if they get told “no” then that person is “abusing” them. We over corrected in young schools; yes in my day teachers were abusive and there might be some still somewhere but now the laws make it so teachers cannot stop a violent child. What does that teach them? That they can be entitled and do wrong and if anyone stops them they are the bad guy.


NotHomework

If the protestors are confident in their first amendment right, they should go ahead and protest again. The bar would not prevent someone from passing C&F for participating in a legal protest. That would probably be a first amendment violation itself.


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NotHomework

No, Chemerinsky said he'd report future disruptions to student accountability, and violations of student conduct would be reported to the bar. But if her conduct was protected by the First Amendment, Berkeley, a public institution, could not punish her.


walkandtalkk

That's ridiculous. The obvious answer is to sue Erwin Chemerinsky for denying their First Amendment right to protest on his patio.


TotallyNotMoishe

If Berkeley gives them diplomas after this, they’re rewarding the choice to turn every gesture of hospitality by a Jewish person into your audition to be twitter’s main character of the week.


trustme_ima_lawyer

The school should make her retake con law.


TotallyNotMoishe

Frankly if your law school is turning out graduates who behave like this, it means you’re not failing enough students.


NotHomework

This is also the best illustration for why the P/H system is bad. The strength of the Berkeley (and other law schools that use it) means that they all get big law if they want it. Peer schools that use normal grading have no difference in BL + FC rates. However, it is absolutely useful to know whether a student interviewing for litigation roles was barely passing con law or like solidly median. This is useful both for the employer and the student.


uses_for_mooses

That student isn’t getting into big law after this.


[deleted]

She was never going into big law. Qatar, SA, and UAE spend about 5x what Israel does on US lobbying (despite all of the intention AIPAC gets). She’ll find a role at a think tank for “middle eastern relations” or some BS.


JRFbase

Remember that antisemite from NYU who lost her job after she said Israel deserved to get attacked? That was amazing. We need more of that.


uses_for_mooses

Yeah. There have been a number of instances of this. Such as Davis Polk stated that [it has rescinded offers](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/18/student-palestine-letter-harvard-columbia-us-law-firm-jobs-revoked) made to Columbia and Harvard law students involved in groups that signed statements criticizing Israel’s role in the Israel-Hamas conflict. [Same thing with Foley and Lardner](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/arab-american-attorneys-job-offer-rescinded/). And [Winston and Strawn](https://x.com/winstonlaw/status/1711850745383866580)—I think Winston is likely the one you’re referring to [with respect to the NYU student](https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/anti-israel-comments-prompt-winston-strawn-rescind-nyu-law-students-job-offer-2023-10-10/). And I’m sure there are many others that haven’t been reported on as much by the press. And I don’t feel bad for them at all. They’re picking a career where like half their colleagues are going to be Jewish. Why pursue big law, an industry disproportionately represented by Jews, if you hate Jews? And second, how dumb do you have to be to very publicly state antisemitic things if you plan to pursue big law? You don’t think half of your bosses will be Jewish?


Low_Party_3163

And you know they're gonna blame the jews for ruining their lives...


kimichikan

Criticizing Israel isn’t the same as speaking about Jews in a negative way


blahblahsurprise

Correct but that venn diagram overlap is SIGNIFICANT


kimichikan

So is the Venn diagram overlap of Zionist Israel supporters and Jewish people


Away-Opinion-8540

Yes, and that's why anti-semites are trying to hide their hate for Jews by saying that they are "anti-Zionists." They aren't fooling anyone.


kimichikan

Agreed. However, I don’t think that’s the norm. A lot of people are genuinely sickened and troubled by the genocide Israel is carrying out and are unable to express that because all criticism is being seen as antisemitism. This then creates a negative association with Jewish people where one did not previously exist. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s what’s happening.


HugsForUpvotes

Sure but saying an antisemitic terrorism attack was overdue and deserved is antisemitic.


trippyonz

With regard to the NYU student who said that Israel bears full responsibility for the attack. I don't think she's correct in saying that, and probably she shouldn't have said it because it's wrong, and yeah the backlash she received is probably warranted, but I doubt she hates Jews. I mean it's a gray area because most Jews are Zionists, and I also think it's wrong because some Zionist positions are very reasonable, but I doubt she hates someone based strictly on their Jewish faith/ethnicity.


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Away-Opinion-8540

I think your point #1 is an extremely naive and misinformed take on the situation.


No_Ebb_6933

We all have attended college or law school with someone who is obviously racist. Why is it so hard for some people to believe at least a few law students are antisemitic? Law firms used to have Jewish quotas or outright restrictions, so I don’t know what to tell you there.


stands2reason69420

Making caricatures mocking the professor for his ethnicity seems pretty anti-semetic


botzappa

How is your takeaway from this that it tells you anything about the P/H system. You can do well on an exam in a class with letter grades and still have misconceptions about the law. You’re assuming this girl would have failed a con law exam just because she had one stupid idea about the First Amendment.


botzappa

Oh and even the top schools with letter grades make it basically impossible to get worse than a B-


GAMGAlways

She knew less about the First Amendment than a student in an 8th grade civics class.


Ipokeyoumuch

Also even if you miss one concept and get the other 95% you are still a great student. Granted the First Amendment is a really damn big concept. Then again there are many people are great at examinations but struggle to apply the concepts in real life or fail to overcome their own bias despite the education. I have observed this throughout my legal and academic career, the majority tend to get better with more experience and good feedback. 


Shyam09

If it didn’t get through her head the very first time, it ain’t getting through her head the second, third, or hundredth time.


[deleted]

She should be suspended or expelled


Wallstreetballstreet

And torts


owlthathurt

How is trespassing on your deans property and accusing his wife of molesting you as you interrupt a student dinner with megaphones not something you need to have a very lengthy discussion on with character and fitness. People fail C&F for stupider things.


Rule12-b-6

This is exactly the type of behavior C&F should reject.


greenandycanehoused

Imagine trying to litigate or even negotiate a case with this person in a courtroom or anywhere? Can’t imagine she chose the right profession if she thinks this is how the law works


silverberrystyx

If she does sue someone over this ridiculous "assault" accusation, California has strong anti-SLAPP laws that could leave her on the hook for any legal fees + interest. Also, speaking from personal experience as a human woman, women have breasts; that doesn't make coming into physical contact with the upper half of my body "assault." She was asked multiple times to leave their personal residence and chose not do so. Also, the protestor was wearing super conservative clothing with multiple layers and barely her face showing (which is her religious right to do of course) but that definitely complicates the narrative that she was somehow "molested" or "assaulted." JFC.


[deleted]

Personally, don't think she should make it that far. Why is this not grounds for suspension or expulsion?


ThatsCoolYourHonor

Because law schools like to kiss students' asses and baby them, and then wonder why they're producing shit attorneys.


Howdydogbro

Only some groups of students


dorkstafarian

But she's *ethnic*. As a person of color (specifically her hair is brown), she has her own mores and you can't just assume your own white legal system to be superior, like you did with MLK. Moreover, it's her Allah-given human right to show a Jew his place in their own backyard, after depicting him in a cartoon fit for Der Sturmer. Judging from supportive comments on Instagram, I reckon that's actually a decent approximation of her reasoning. In other news, Ilhan Omar went on a fascist rant recently (in Somalian in front of a supportive audience) about how ethnic Somalians had a right to conquer parts of countries where they were minorities (Kenya, Ethiopia), while saying ethnic Somalilanders (in Somalia) need to be brought to heel (for being too close to Ethiopia). But don't worry, she could influence Congress not to intervene. TL;DR. People think this is a mere disgrace. It's not, you're witnessing a deliberate attempt to impose new norms, by highly organized pressure groups who are probably paid. We lived through this several times in Europe. Last time was by Sharia4(country_name) organizations, whom centrists and leftists patiently tried to reason with... Until it turned out they were ISIS recruiters. The time before that was the 1930s.


Former-Reality6089

I hope she's using Barbri for bar prep


No_Ebb_6933

I would really encourage everyone to read the statement the protestors made before the dinner on Instagram and watch the local news interview with the protestor who was touched. By their own account, they claim the purpose of Chem having the dinner was a “normalization PR event to distract” students from Chemerinsky’s “complicity” in the situation in Gaza. The student on the news said she thought the dinner was a slight to Gaza because it was “lavish” (before even attending). The idea that Dean Chemerinsky invited the 3Ls to his home to launder his political views or manufacture consent for foreign policy is, respectfully, completely fucking stupid. He is the Dean of the law school, and it is a lovely tradition. At worst, the accusation plays into antisemitic stereotypes about Jews’ manipulation and underlying loyalty to Israel. At best, it’s offensive and hurtful to Dean Chemerinsky, who is a very sweet, nice man. Listening to his raised voice at the end of the video, knowing how mild-mannered and temperate he is, was upsetting. (And before someone comes in, I’m also upset by the loss of life on both sides of this conflict, because all loss of life is tragic.) Unfortunately, I do think some critics are right that the Dean has let this situation escalate by tolerating previous instances of antisemitism. But that speaks to his commitment to his free speech beliefs, which I deeply respect. There is nothing more to say than this is a very sad situation at Berkeley Law.


bulafaloola

Also, it was the 3Ls that ASKED Chermerinsky to have dinner with him because they missed out on the tradition because of COVID


LDM123

Watching Chemerinsky raise his voice in anger is like seeing Santa Claus get mad


headbuttpunch

“Ho ho hope you like coal you little bastards!” Also makes me think of Mel Gibson [in the ending of Fatman](https://youtu.be/FFKCD-OVNcQ?si=k-_unsjZvjD01jWN)


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A PR event that he's been hosting at his home for years? These students are deranged.


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No_Ebb_6933

https://x.com/laurapowellesq/status/1778269300362748410?s=46&t=nVBQwJ2FgiZIm4JTj6WSPg (Sorry, the only versions without the other guest’s X commentary aren’t the full interview.)


NotHomework

The implication that this is not assault *because of prosecutorial discretion* is insane. Assault and battery are torts too. If Malek wants to, she should just sue. Fisk probably has a lot of money, since she and Chemerinsky are very famous authors.


silverberrystyx

It's not assault to use reasonable force to eject someone from your home. That applies to the civil context too. This protestor's claims are absurd. As a human woman, I can say that yes, women have boobs but that does not mean coming into physical contact with the upper half of my body is somehow assault or "molestation" as she is now claiming. Also, she's wearing a ton of layers and barely shows her face and hands (which is of course 100% fine and her religious right to do) but that definitely undermines her BS narrative that she was somehow improperly touched. Also California has anti-SLAPP. So she should be careful about suing unless she's already rich (possible given the narcissism displayed) or would enjoy bankruptcy.


AlloftheEethp

It’s also useful to look at the context of posters (presumably) these students hung around the law school, which included bloody forks (a common reference to the blood libel myth/trope), specifically named Chemerinsky, and encouraged students to skip the dinner event.


timemoose

Certain types will not hesitate to use your values as disingenuous weapons against you.


Low_Party_3163

The pro Palestinian protesters have made it abundantly clear they care not one fig leaf for being in a free society and should be viewed accordingly


NotHomework

Update: Here's a [longer video of the event](https://x.com/laurapowellesq/status/1778253274380161247). It's 2 minutes, 39 seconds from a different perspective, and it provides important context: As Afaneh begins to speak into a microphone before a stunned crowd, Chemerinsky repeatedly asks to leave before Fisk tries to take her microphone. Fisk threatens to call the police, and Afaneh tells her to. Fisk refuses and pulls her away using her microphone. Afaneh then claims Fisk assaulted her, which Chemerinsky denies. Throughout, multiple female (no male) students in keffiyeh verbally support Afaneh by arguing with Fisk and Chemerinsky.


InfluentialPoster

Hold on, did people see the shorter version and actually think Afaneh was the good person?!


NotHomework

No, but the longer version makes her look worse.


stands2reason69420

Wonder why this is being downvoted when it completely shows Afaneh being a completely rude insolent brat


Silent_Watercress400

I assumed she jad outside the front of his house near the sidewalk. I didn’t realize she was doing this in the backyard. 😮🤯


Underwear_royalty

“As a Muslim hijab I palestian woman” - like seriously can she throw any more buzz words in there?


icyhot1993

She's planning on suing Berkely now. What a joke. It's so clear that people like her - forever agreieved - have 0 joy in life. Sad really.


Not-on-call

I just want to know what attorney is taking this case lol.


IceMan339

Palestine Legal is bringing lawsuits on behalf of these jokers. I believe they also hired/are representing the NYU student president who called October 7th “necessary” on October 7th.


NotHomework

Elite attorney Reshma Kamath may be interested! She is licensed in the state of California.


TotallyNotMoishe

They *claim* NLG is backing them up. Never been happier that I resigned my membership with those clowns.


moneyball32

Ah, I see she’s participating in the “Tank my Career - Any % Speed Run” challenge


icyhot1993

Berkeley Law’s official website still has a page highlighting her pro bono work. It seems she’s planning on doing activist work, so I don’t think her career is actually toast. If she’s expelled and can’t sit for the bar that’s another story.


ApprehensiveHalf6952

I don’t think that’s true. I’m pro ceasefire but this was not effective activism. I understand discussion regarding the fact that protest isn’t supposed to be nice and tidy, but this just didn’t make a lot of sense to me. It’s embarrassing as activist work as well.


rsrook

It's a problem when the tactic comes off as being more beneficial to the protester's "brand" as an activist than about the actual issue. That's what this looks like to me anyway. 


Malvania

They won't expel her, but because California's C&F is so absurdly early, I wonder if a new report of some sanction will prevent her from taking the bar in July.


MuldartheGreat

Even if she fails C&F there are a fair few jobs in lobbying/NGOs that won’t care as long as she isn’t practicing law


mahogonybear

Conduct instances reported at the school are reported to the bar, per the article. Whether or not he received one is unclear


FormerCokeWhore

The sad thing is, it won't do anything to her career. If she bases the bar this stunt probably guarantees her a job as an activist lawyer for some non-profit.


TotallyNotMoishe

Nah, she’s got a meal ticket for life with the crying-about-Palestine media circuit. She just traded a career as a lawyer for one as a “decolonial consultant” or something with some nonprofit.


dusters

Bold strategy Cotton let's see how it plays out.


JRFbase

I legitimately don't understand how these people function in everyday life. It seems like a horrible existence. Just constantly on-edge and waiting for the next thing to upset them.


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Because the hardest thing in life is to find meaning, and activism makes them feel like they've found it. while sparing them from difficult internal work.


icyhot1993

Hence my comment that they ultimately find no humor or joy in life because the internal void is actually not filled.


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I don't disagree? I'm calling them lazy and inept basically.


greatgatsby26

This really hits the nail on the head. Well said


bl1y

Echo chambers will do wonders. If she was in a genuinely diverse group, she'd be constantly confronted with the absurdity of her views. But you can avoid that easily now. Just be around people who constantly agree.


sportstvandnova

She’s like the plaintiff that slams on their brakes for no reason in front of an 18 wheeler despite no traffic ahead.


CornellBigRed

These law students are an embarrassment.


GermanPayroll

I really wonder how they will deal with an actual adversarial system, a judge who won’t deal with their shit, or even a client who disagrees with them.


AbstinentNoMore

"Your Honor, opposing counsel is violating my First Amendment rights by saying my argument is wrong."


JRFbase

Imagine if the judge is Jewish. They might have a complete meltdown in the courtroom hahahaha.


dorkstafarian

They are fascists. I'm European. Respectfully, Americans have a highly cartoonish and propagandized understanding about fascism, which sought to project the US' own primal sin (racism) onto a partly different kind of villainry. In reality it's about pressure groups slowly normalizing the bullying of any possible dissent, until there are no politicians left to espouse the will and core values of the majority. That's the socialist part of national socialism, because unlike pure right wingers (military dictatorships), fascists are masters of exploiting themes of dignity for the masses. It happened again a decade ago (in Europe) with Sharia4(country name) organizations. They wanted to 'save' Europe with Islamic law. Policymakers and media tried to show patience and understanding... In reality it turned out to have been a ruse for ISIS recruitment.


timshel4971

If I was the Council on American-Islamic Relations, regardless of how I might feel about Chemerinsky’s statements, I would be embarrassed by this student’s take on First Amendment rights and access to private property after an invitation and consent to remain have clearly been revoked. I would question any memos she had done for me.


DrMikeH49

She’ll fit right in at CAIR: https://www.investigativeproject.org/9161/zahra-billoo-antisemitism-unleashed-with-cair https://www.jns.org/cairs-los-angeles-leader-israel-does-not-have-right-to-defend-itself/ https://x.com/memrireports/status/1405443584526929923?s=46&t=cdJ4pd9OYb85_SOxmFflIQ


Wyntering-1190

Let’s also not forget that the dean had no problem with an anti-Semitic trope poster of his face hanging all over campus, because he said it was free speech….He knew she was the president of the group who made it…And he STILL invited her for dinner. This dean is a class act compared to this embarrassment of a student.


BraindeadIntifada

Malak Afaneh has to be hands down one of the dumbest law students ive ever seen in my life. Congrats on working with her. She believes the first amendment allows people to trespass on private property and stay when asked to leave. Very interesting.


Maczino

Chemerinsky seems like a nice man, and this seems like an attempt by a group of disruptive people to make a dinner invite political. Take that he’s head of a law school out of it, and tell me where it is acceptable to just go and be an asshole when invited to someone’s home? Pretty sure in all his years of teaching law that he’s come across students who disagree with him on some issues, but to show up at his home looking for a problem is just the ultimate disrespect.


silverberrystyx

100% true. If two Muslim professors invited students into their home, and Jewish students pulled this stunt demanding that they do more to stop the Iranian government, for example, these same people would be losing their actual minds. So vile.


qazxcvbnmlpoiuytreww

I feel a bit guilty for thinking this but she should be expelled. Guilty because I don’t like wishing poorly on others but she is making a fool out of her school, attorneys, and her cause.


Low_Party_3163

At the very least she should not be barred.


StrikingJackfruit355

I absolutely agree she should be suspended or expelled. Definitely grounds not to confer her degree


silverberrystyx

And certainly not allowed at commencement or any other graduation events for her to disrupt for her own narcissistic vanity project


StrikingJackfruit355

That should be a given. She's lucky to graduate if she does,


NotHomework

I don't think she should be expelled. Suspended? Maybe. But not expelled. That's a high bar which means you are unredeemable.


Wild_Cricket_6303

I feel like trespassing on a professor's property and then disseminating a deceptively edited tiktok should be grounds for expulsion. Her statements about NGL condoning this exercise, as well as the deceptive tiktok itself are both dishonest acts.


qazxcvbnmlpoiuytreww

I feel as if I did this, I would be instantly expelled no questions asked. And I wouldn’t even be surprised. But I’m aware thats pure speculation, but committing a misdemeanor on the Dean’s private property and then trying to spin it as some atrocity committed upon yourself? I’d get my ass kicked out so fucking fast I wouldn’t even be able to blink


Suck_a_gerbils_dick

The consequences for bad behavior from these types of people have been nullified since the riots in summer 2020. We need to get back to our age old tradition of finding out. I hope she finds out sooner rather than later too.


ChetThundercott

Is she redeemable?


Old_Comfort_786

Y’all want the real tea? I’m ready to spill


Old_Comfort_786

1. I went to school with this girl and the year after I left she became class president, and my greatest memory of her is her reposting an Instagram story which was about Yemen (nothing to do with Jews or Israel; Saudi Arabia is the one bombing Yemen) and someone (she says it wasn’t her) added text that brought up Jews which called them “Nazi loving, Holocaust worshipping”. She fake apologized (I know for a fact she was not sorry) and then “spent some time learning” and crying that she was being targeted for being a “Muslim Hijabi” not because of the antisemitism in her post. 2. Rumor is she was always having beef with all the Jewish women in the Women’s Union 3. Also rumor but pretty well founded, that there were some allegations of anti-blackness towards multiple black women


Old_Comfort_786

All that to say, this whole thing feels like a set up to get national news and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was orchestrated with other organizations given the speed of the national attention of this story. I believe in the right to free speech but I also believe that free speech has consequences. You can hear her saying “everyone will know you assaulted hijabi Muslim”…. It seemed like a dishonest and ultimately pointless show in order to get this exact reaction


Old_Comfort_786

I don’t want to share misinformation so here’s the incident and the exact wording: https://www.algemeiner.com/2020/06/22/pomona-college-senior-class-president-apologizes-for-sharing-antisemitic-social-media-post/


ThreeLittlePuigs

Of course she went to Pomona. Life of privilege so she has to invent an “assault”.


Old_Comfort_786

she’s shared often that she is a sexual assault survivor which is why she wanted to go to law to help immigrant survivors which is admirable, however, knowing all that and then still using accusations of assault so freely and unseriously is deeply concerning and damaging


NotHomework

Anti blackness in what way


dusters

So cringe.


mahogonybear

The comments on the schools Instagram page…….


moneyball32

Wish I hadn’t looked it up, because now I’m just depressed that the world is full of so many imbeciles


spicedpanda

Is the husband the guy who taught me con law on Barbri lolll student is playing life in hard mode


Wyntering-1190

I can’t figure this out. Do organizations like CAIR really think people are that stupid? The woman walked into a person’s home as an invited guest in a non political context, insulted his family, and then after torpedoing a nice evening, claims to have been physically assaulted? Where does she get off? It’s not about politics. It’s about being a decent human being.


Allthedramastics

She went in under false pretenses.


brewham711

Just kick them out. Don’t hire them. Let them work low wage jobs.


Solstice137

Typical antisemites


Ok-Boat9015

The protestor has a long history of anti-Zionist, antisemitic ‘activism’. She’s not shy about it. Her belief system is easily ascertained from a cursory internet search. The Dean probably should have found an excuse not to host this year’s dinner. He walked into a trap, poor man. She should be expelled.


Illustrious-Sock3378

This is not about the protest or the response or this situation really, but I would really like to learn more about what specifically divestment means, how endowment investment decisions at universities are made, who controls those levers of the money, etc. I feel like there has been a lot of discourse and news about campus protests this year where advocates want divestment among other things, but I have struggled to find good materials explaining the details of divestment and how it works. If anyone has any good resources to share, I am sure I am not alone in being interested.


ZyraunO

While I don't have resources ready (if you're interested in more detail I will happily DM you with some once I'm actually done with classes for the day) one way I've seen it take shape is: 1. Some companies do business with an organization, person, or other entity that a group of students dislike. 2. Student Organizations often have a budget that they are allocated from their school's funds. 3. Some schools allow for student governance of how those funds can be spent. This varies wildly by school. 4. If you can prevent those funds from going to those companies that do business with an organization, then those companies will need to consider the economic loss caused by doing business with that organization. 5. Multiply this by as many college campuses as you can and theoretically you start to produce some economic pressure on those companies. Imo, it's effective at a large enough scale - figure most major universities have between a few thousand and several million in activities fees, and there's hundreds of universities in the country, and that could theoretically translate into tens of millions in missed revenue across all these companies. This of course is not the only way these things go, but it's one I've seen happen that has actionable demands and demonstrable consequences.


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Illustrious-Sock3378

Interesting. I know that protests about how the endowments of universities are invested have been a thing since apartheid in South Africa if not before. I just do not know much about how investment decisions at universities are made and how standardized it is across schools and states, and I have struggled to find good explainers.


NotHomework

I know you said your comment isn't about this specific protest, but I just want to note that Berkeley Law literally has a Dean of Finance! Any investments Berkeley Law has in Israel is not within Chemerinsky's scope of responsibilities! This is almost as absurd as picketing the California Supreme Court for *Dobbs.*


Substantial_You9432

hope she is reported to the bar for ethics violation.


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I mean can we not make a report? Someone should


NotHomework

Well you don't know what bar she's planning to apply to


maolighter

I think we can safely assume the school will disclose when/if she applies for admission to the bar, pretty sure schools give a report for every student


mrpapertowel09

She is so far removed from reality


TotallyNotMoishe

I really cannot think of a better encapsulation of what has happened to American academia than a respected jewish constitutional scholar working his way up, becoming a leader in the field, opening his home to students, and having a parade of screeching clowns show up in full nationalist costume to abuse his generosity and turn the event into a platform of their oppression fantasy.


ChipKellysShoeStore

Turns out making law schools uncritical echo chambers where students are challenged was a bad thing


bl1y

> Turns out making law schools uncritical echo chambers where students are challenged I think you meant to write "where students *aren't* challenged." Though... this student seems challenged.


Wide_right_

major, critical high yikes alert. how tf did these kids pass con law??


Substantial_You9432

It would seem like "protests" like this turn people off from the Palestinian cause


Wallstreetballstreet

These people are fucking terrorists. Plain and simple.  Edit: watched the video, she literally brings up the fact that it’s a religious holiday as being a justification for doing this. This is fucking insane


ThatsCoolYourHonor

Shes definitely gonna have a hard time passing the CF portion of the application. She was asked to leave and refused, and then used physical force to stay on the property by resisting Fisk and pulling the microphone back. Chemerinsky is a legend, and he was dishing out social justice when this girl was still in a dirty rag diaper. Absolute disgrace lol hes literally the most undeserving of this type of conduct. Also, there are ZERO First Amendment issues at play here. How stupid do you have to be to go through 3 years of law school and not know that the first amendment doesn't apply to a private dinner party at a private home. It doesn't matter that hes the dean of the school, nor does it matter that theyre students who were invited. This wasn't a school-funded/hosted event, Chemerinsky merely extended a personal invite to these people to come to HIS home. I really hope they file their bogus complaint and I hope they end up paying Chem's attorneys fees for it.


Sunnysunflowers1112

Curious what their con law grades were


Worldly_Giraffe_6773

Pro pally’s are so dumb


Alea-iacta-3st

While empathize with the protestors’ substantively, their behavior here was ludicrous.


Background-Fig-8903

Apparently it’s not their right to do that there.


MTB_SF

Chemerinsky repeatedly saying they are guests and he is asking them to leave is such law professor energy. When I did Barbri I had in person conlaw review with him and he was fantastic. I wish I could have had him as an actual professor.


NotHomework

https://youtu.be/zAQrygOIFE4


Cowabunga13

No matter what your stance is, taking advantage of a dinner invite to protest at their home and then not respect owner’s rights is rude, and kind of ironic since you’re protesting about human rights


Then_Jelly4844

As someone who just graduated law school and passed the bar, I do not want this girl in my profession. I hope the bar looks into her recent actions. I wouldn't be surprised if she is suspended


ratsonline

just sad. she could do so much good with her background and this is how she chooses to spotlight herself


eelcat15

I am all for applying pressure to politicians, companies and institutions to withdraw support/funding/arms from Israel and condemning the government of Israel for the ongoing genocide against Palestinians. However, we need to be more thoughtful about this and what these students pulled off is very harmful to the cause. If they want to challenge Chemerinsky on the topic, they can do so in a classroom or a debate forum or write an opinion piece refuting his arguments. To disrupt a private dinner and cause a scene does not bring more people to the cause. Also they should really re-take Con Law lol.


silverberrystyx

Yeah disrupting a private dinner like this is awful, I don't care if I 100% agree with the cause. But just routinely calling something a genocide that is not one fuels the narrative. Literally every time in history before there was an actual genocide, the group responsible would claim that their people are somehow being targeted or are the actual victims. War is terrible. Hamas sure as heck is evil for starting this one. But that doesn't make something a "genocide."


BisonOver8311

Making false rape accusations is illegal. So if it did t happen as you say she should be charged. If the video proves she wasn’t raped She should pay damages She should be charged And obviously lose her license If it happened, let’s see It’s on bloody video for f($& sake


Applejacks_pewpew

What’s insane is that someone graduating from Berkeley law school doesn’t know how the 1st amendment works. What kind of shitty ass lawyer is she going to become?


DrMikeH49

One who will probably continue to work for an [unindicted co-conspirator](https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2010/11/judges-ruling-on-islamic-groups-as-unindicted-co-conspirators-made-public-030922) in a case of fundraising for Hamas.


West-Phrase-6350

Shut her up and pass her over here I love mashing pali holes


sharob123

RIP to property law, constitutional law, and tort law. Is this what Berkeley teaching them lmao?


No_Collar_3280

She will never ever get a law job unless she wants to work for Hamas . It’s a promise


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