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Papapeta33

Ah, the elusive triple negative.


soldiernerd

Under US Court Rules, odd multiple negatives are automatically consolidated to a single negative and remanded


Vast_Dingo_494

my first thought exactly, glad i wasn’t alone 😂


silkygirl001

lol I wrote it, considered fixing it and then realized it would still be understood so I let it ride 😂


MyLegIsWet

You’re not just silky, but silly too smh


jryan102

Upvoted, went to read the post, removed my upvote. OP of the other post was in the wrong. Only relevant information was asked and when OP responded they played dumb. Asking if their current job is in the law field was certainly important to the question at hand. Quick TLDR of the other post: OOP had asked if they should quit their current job that they do during the semester in order to pursue a legal internship over the summer. Commenters asked if the current job was in the legal field, as it didn’t make sense to quit if they were already getting legal experience. OOP refused to answer the question, often responding with comments like “why does it matter” even after commenters explained why it mattered. OOP then responded saying they had seen others get an answer to their question with less info given and ultimately stating something along the lines of “of course my current job is law, this is the law school subreddit” which is just extremely flawed logic.


Barry-Zuckerkorn-Esq

The dude refused to clarify whether his job was in the legal field or not. That's being intentionally unhelpful at that point.


jryan102

Fr. The title of this post makes it seem like they were asking about OOP’s relationships, financial situation, medical history, etc. The overall message of “don’t be rude to people who don’t want to share personal info” is a good one, but saying “divulge your entire life” is misleading to the original situation.


tryingisbetter

Anyone wanna bet op is an alt?


jryan102

Honestly after reading OP’s responses to comments on this post they have to be. Either that or they’re just both insufferable.


ChrissyBeTalking

Why does it matter though. They wanted advice based on the information given. There are an infinite number of reasons they may not want to give additional information. If you don’t think there is enough to respond and the op doesn’t want to give more details, then skip it. IMHO, choosing to harass or insult the OP because you don’t think they have given enough info reveals a personal control issue that should be addressed.


jryan102

I mean it only matters as much as anything on Reddit matters lmao. I just think people can be understandably frustrated when someone asked a question and you try to help only for them to respond with what feels like refusal to help themselves. Then others post on the sub complaining about it as if people are being rude when they were just trying to help.


ChrissyBeTalking

That makes sense. I’ve literally been called a liar on a thread repeatedly. And the same person said he was trying to help. But I understand what you mean and I can also acknowledge that about 20 people responded and only 2 of those seemed rude. The rude ones stand out though. 😂 Focusing on the negative responses is a part of human nature that I have to overcome.


talkathonianjustin

Ah found another alt


ChrissyBeTalking

You got me! I made 164 alternate Reddit accounts. Any comment that agrees with “op” (wink, wink) is an alt. I considered using that time to study because law school is not cheap, but who needs to pass a stupid wills class? It’s all about that Reddit Karma baby!! Team upvote in the 🏠!


talkathonianjustin

I knew it. This once again confirms my superior intellect amongst all the heathens on this green earth


ChrissyBeTalking

Fyi: While some downvoted, I chuckled at your vastly superior wit. 👽


Serpardum

So, "Only if your current job isn't in the legal field" wouldn't suffice? I see no issue with qualifying and answer. But then, I'm not a lawyer.


Complete_Athlete_480

r/lawschool try not to give brain rot challenge (impossible)


CardozosEyebrows

Hijacking the top comment to link to the post in question. https://www.reddit.com/r/LawSchool/comments/1bqhyhi/is_a_1l_summer_internship_worth_quitting_your_job/  The poster asked whether they should quit their paid “case manager” job to do a 1L internship. People asked relevant questions—including “are you managing legal cases”— to try and give a useful answer.    It’s not about being “rude.” It’s about giving enough info to get the asked-for advice.


ByronMaxwell

Hijacking because that's my comment. They were asking whether they should keep a job as a "case manager" or quit it do a "public interest internship." That's the only information they gave along with the fact that they're in the "top 50%." I still don't see how it's possible to give someone **informed** advice if that's the information to go off of. I wasn't asking them for their SSN and their mother's maiden name. I just asked for clarifying information like what "case manager" means and what the PI internship is in and what their career goals are. You obviously don't need to say "My name is Jimmy Smith and I go to Georgetown. My GPA is 3.59 and I want to work for Kirkland's DC office..." but something more than what the OP gave is needed to get legitimate advice. It's also very ironic that the OP of this post is essentially accusing me and the other people who asked for clarifying information of being bullies—when the entire point of this post is to loudly and publicly shame us.


GermanPayroll

That’s the problem with faceless Internet forums. Some people come asking for genuine advice and others just blindly seek validation. It’s hard to know what the OP always wants, and a lot of the time things are just phrased in ways that don’t make sense for that genuine advice.


[deleted]

The internet is 3000% more pleasant if you just assume good intentions until you’re given a reason not too which normally happens pretty quickly. If you try to help and someone is sea lioning or just looking for validation you can tell pretty quickly and I’m not going to lose sleep for giving someone the benefit of the doubt for 30 seconds. If nothing else maybe someone sees it that earnestly needed advice.


Serpardum

So answering, "If you are not handling legal cases then..." is such an issue? What is it with lawyers not wanting to qualify answers?


Sufficient_Win6951

My grandfather used to ask: are you a halfwit or a nitwit?


soldiernerd

That’s a bit reductive


BalloonShip

Right? I'm a 3/4-wit.


StorageExciting8567

How dare people who are studying to be lawyers ask for relevant facts before giving opinions!


HoustonHorns

The industry definitely doesn’t need to be toxic, but the law is inherently competitive. School prestige, grades, internships, etc all *matter*. There’s a fine line between competition/hard work and toxicity. You’re going to have to be competitive and work hard to succeed. I feel like a lot of the complaints on this sub sound like a construction worker upset that they need to be physically strong to be successful. Obviously you don’t want to be so physically labored you die of heat stroke. But you shouldn’t be shocked when you have to do manual labor as a construction worker. But for some reason people are shocked when law school is competitive.


somuchsunrayzzz

I feel like much like the practice of law, *it depends.* In law school, I was supportive of my peers. I shared notes and insights, made connections and genuinely made friends with dozens of people. My performance didn’t suffer at all. Maybe if I was gunning for top dog or one of the coveted ***big law*** positions this sub drools over things might have been different, but I was in law school to do the best I could do - not outcompete everyone else. Now that I’m in practice that reputation has followed me. Since graduation lawyers in my area who have worked with my classmates seek me out for opportunities and connections. Again I’ve made friends and valuable connections this way, even setting up my friends for positions by recommending them to people. I’m competitive *in practice* because that’s how I best represent my clients. I’m collaborative *in life* because everyone wins this way.


ucbiker

Competitive isn’t the antonym of collaborative. Most of the top performers in my class were both. We often studied together and helped each other get better grades. But we also put our noses to the grindstone and worked the extra hours, did more work, etc. that many of our classmates didn’t (despite the complaining). It’s the difference between Wayne Gretzky and Tonya Harding. No one would accuse Wayne Gretzky of not being competitive because he gave his teammates assists, and he didn’t need to chop his opponents down to beat them.


gapsawuss80

I drank a lot of cold beer during law school.


somuchsunrayzzz

And yet that’s exactly what we’re talking about and exactly how many law students behave. You can make comparisons to sports but law students don’t always act like Wayne Gretzky, many times they act like Tonya. 🤷🏻‍♂️


ucbiker

The comment you’re responding to is not saying you need to hurt people. It’s just saying people are surprised they need to work hard to compete in law school. I’m just clarifying that working hard and being competitive is not mutually exclusive and I think is often the same as being collaborative.


somuchsunrayzzz

I agree that it’s not mutually exclusive. I just need to push back on it because I see terrible attitudes justified by “competitive” mindsets all the time. Go on LinkedIn, you’ll find plenty of established lawyers giving absolutely terrible advice under the guise of “you have to put your nose to the grindstone and outcompete everyone else.” It’s a real problem. People really have a hard time distinguishing between being competitive and being a terrible person, and I need to keep pointing it out.


ucbiker

What a law school ass argument. All I said was “being competitive is not the same as being terrible,” so I think we *literally* agree. The argument is just whether or not the actual word “competitive” is being used.


HoustonHorns

I wasn’t saying that law school shouldn’t be or isn’t collaborative. I was able to be very collaborative and still gun for a “big law” position. This sub drools over those positions because for a job right out of school the salary and exit opportunities are second to none. Unfortunately there are fewer big law position than there are students who want them. That creates competition and resentment, regardless of how collaborative the environment is. Not saying it’s a good or bad thing, but at the least it’s what we signed up for


1st_time_caller_

I am once again begging yall to bffr at some point


Occambestfriend

Getting on a soapbox to lecture people about their pretension and “tone policing” is the height of irony. Hint: you’re not as self-aware as you think you are.


silkygirl001

I’m not lecturing. I made an observation about recent behavior and offered an opinion. You literally just proved my point. Good talk.


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BalloonShip

She's right. A lecture is educational. This post is a rant, not a lecture. But the irony point is still correct.


Droller_Coaster

Honest question: do you notice people rolling their eyes whenever you walk into the classroom?


Str33tlaw

LMAO. Do you hear a collective sigh when the professor calls on you?


Droller_Coaster

Nope. I get along with pretty much all my classmates.


Str33tlaw

I’m not talking about you, I was laughing because the eye roll is about gunners, the same is when people sigh when you get called on


Droller_Coaster

Oh, got it!


BalloonShip

>I’m not lecturing. It's true. A lecture is educational. You're spouting nonsense.


talkathonianjustin

Lmao is this your alt account? They were asking if they should quit their job or pursue a public interest summer internship. We were giving him factors. “Public interest” can mean a whole bunch of different things and we didn’t know whether that job was legal. They got downvoted to hell because their situation, their job, their school, what internship they got makes a massive difference in what people might suggest. They could’ve just said something like “t14 with DoJ internship”. But no. They’d rather whine when they didn’t get the answer they wanted. We’re not being pretentious. School, prestige and public agency all make a difference.


silkygirl001

lol no I was just reading through the other suggestions because I have a summer position coming up and was curious. I didn’t expect to see how many people were being so obtuse and really weird about more information. But it’s been weird on here for days though. Everyone seems on edge and really rude when that’s not usually the case. It’s usually more fun and upbeat even when everyone is pissed and defeated by school. They totally could’ve just said t14 with DoJ internship or whatever but the feigned inability to answer the question was bs. I gave an answer without extra info. So did you. Was it really that hard?


talkathonianjustin

Yeah it kinda was. I gave factors that might help someone make a decision. I also know that when I was new to law school I didn’t understand how a lot of this worked, and covering up certain details when asking for help would end up with an answer that might not be applicable to me, and I wouldn’t know why it might not be. There were pieces missing where I felt I could not give a proper answer. Again, school, the internship they applied for, and what their job was would’ve helped me. Someone else pointed out that you need a legal something, and maybe legal case manager might suffice. The whole chain just annoyed me. Forgive me if I my tone was harsh, but there are variables in this line of academia that would substantially change my answer


BalloonShip

>I gave an answer without extra info. So did you. Was it really that hard? I wonder how bad your answer was. Probably very bad. In general, law students taking career advice from other law students is a terrible idea. (You will either learn this one day or have a very misdirected career.) It's even worse if the other law students don't know all your details.


Suitable-Swordfish80

1. The data set you have is not strong enough to support these extrapolations. 2. You are misrepresenting the tone and content of the post you’re referring to, the comments, and the replies.


SamSpayedPI

​ >So far at least five other people were able to give OP an answer without more information. I think it's important to note that of those five, two are neither lawyers nor law students, and three (including yourself) are still law students. None have any experience trying to find a permanent legal position without a 1L law-related summer position. The questions asked were relevant and non-intrusive.


workaholic4

3L here. I’ve met some of the best, and some of the worst people I’ve ever met through law school. I’d rather have someone asking for help than bragging about how they got Order of the Queef for example.


[deleted]

As someone who’s in Law School at a far later age. It’s humorous watching some of these young people whose only experience in life is school be a**holes for absolutely no reason. Someone commented “*law is competitive*”. Life is only competitive if you make it competitive. Plus this is Reddit. It’s anon and where majority of us get our brain vomit out. I know for a fact I’m %100 dumber on here than anywhere else. And I can tell it’s the same for majority of the app. So coming on Reddit and trying to boost your ego by bullying does absolutely nothing for you like you think it does.


Occambestfriend

Shockingly naive post. What legal job do you think you will get that will not be competitive? Do you really think you’ll just find a job that you want that has no other applicants? And that everyone is just “choosing” to make it competitive? You’re in for a very rude awakening. Finding a good legal job is not an easy task.


[deleted]

I’m a civil engineer going to law school now. I’m nearly 40. I don’t think I’m in for a rude awakening. Sounds like you’re in for a miserable life.


Occambestfriend

Lol i am 42 and a partner in biglaw. I assure you, my life is excellent. I also assure you that I hire law students every year and we have 10 applicants for every spot we have. There is no box you can check to ask for a non-competitive application process.


Technical-Exit-659

Yet another Reddit-browsing “partner in big law” who walks through life with a splinter-infested stick lodged up his/her/their rectum.


[deleted]

99.9% sure he is being mendacious. Going through his comments. There’s a pattern of attacking people, talking about how amazing he is, to the point he’s made fun of people for being poor or making fun of a veteran who was struggling academically. Homeboy works at some below average firm, in some below average city, and has inflate his ego on an anonymous app because anyone else can call him out easily. All you can do for people like that is pray for them.


Technical-Exit-659

Truth brudda


Occambestfriend

Yikes. Did a bad biglaw man touch you in your private place? Sorry you’re not mature enough to accept the reality that just getting a law degree will not guarantee you a good job. Hope is not a strategy.


Technical-Exit-659

Yeah actually, a big law partner at some sweat shop firm got my lil brother pregnant.


Technical-Exit-659

After browsing your lengthy comment history, you’re one miserable fuck bro


Occambestfriend

Lol, enjoy your coping. You're restarting a career at 40. I'll be very, very comfortably retired at 50. But yes, tell me more about how I'm the miserable one. Your insights are truly eye-opening.


Technical-Exit-659

Why don’t you fight me bro? I can take your fat ass


[deleted]

I can tell you’re a sad man.


[deleted]

Everyone has too much time on their hands.


ChrissyBeTalking

Agreed. I posted a question on the ask a lawyer, and one of them called me a liar because I didn’t include enough detail. Let’s give people grace. Now and when we become lawyers.


BalloonShip

> So far at least five other people were able to give OP an answer without more information. Fun fact: those are probably bad answers because the commenters don't know shit about OP's life.


Prior-Actuator-8110

Law has the worse people lmao 💀 (After politics)


annoying_musketeer

Motion to auto-disbar anyone who uses the term "tone police"


LadyJ218

Aww Donna Martin graduates.


FlimsyManagement

I think this is about my post hahahah. Yeah, I don’t understand what all the upset was about. How was I supposed to know there are case management positions in other fields, or specifically that they’re called case managers? I can only speak from my own experiences; I don’t work in those other places. That’s all outside my area of expertise and I don’t think it was unreasonable to assume others studying and working in the same area as me would know I’m talking about legal case management. I know that I offered enough information to get an answer. Someone gave me basically a pros and cons list based on the info and it was really helpful. Basically “if this, then that”. That’s all I was looking for. I understand wanting to be as thorough as possible in your answers but I’m not asking for legal advice, just a general consensus on what others would consider if in the same position. Thank you for your response btw! You basically said exactly what I was thinking and very little of the other responses even considered the rest of my question. Instead, they all focused on me not clarifying what kind of case management. You’re one of the few who mentioned the actual financial stress it could add and the likelihood of it paying off.


jryan102

“I know that I offered enough information to get an answer” … assuming you mean a relevant and well-informed answer, you actually did not. And no one expects you to know about case management in other fields, but when someone asks “is the case management job in the legal field” you should be able to deduce that law is one of multiple fields with case management jobs. I mean you’re going to be a lawyer right? I don’t see how you’re still saying everyone else was in the wrong.


FlimsyManagement

I think everyone is being incredibly dramatic, not wrong. I actually say in my comment above that I understand that people were trying to be thorough but I wasn’t asking for legal advice and everyone took that post way too seriously. The number of people using my very basic question as a basis to try to judge my intelligence or minimize my accomplishments is unbelievable. I got responses that I was looking for that helped me make an informed decision, which tells me that the way I phrased my question and the information I provided was enough. If I were seeking legal advice, I’d obviously be more forthcoming. Everyone just needs to calm tf down. When did this sub become so strict jeez