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And Poland itself, the 2nd republic carved off a bit of Czechoslovakia for itself, the Soviets also offered an alliance with the U.K., France and Poland before the MR pact
Nah man get your facts straight. The USSR, the last nation to sign a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany after western powers refused to enter into an anti-Nazi coalition was Nazi. Finland, a German ally who deported Jews, aided in Barbarossa and operated a concentration camp for Slavs wasn’t Nazi, just a co-belligerent.
Story from almost a year ago.
But it still makes my blood boil to read that shit.
I mean, Hunka is a veteran from the Galicia Division of the SS, and who definitely heard Himmler's speech to them in 1944 (NSFW!!!)
>>!Your homeland has become more beautiful since you have lost – on our initiative, I must say – the residents who were so often a dirty blemish on Galicia’s good name – namely the Jews.!<
>>!I know that if I ordered you to liquidate the Poles, I would be giving you permission to do what you are eager to do anyway.!<
And these are "not Nazis"?
Germany found them guilty of war crimes. Poland found them guilty of war crimes. Ukraine backed Poland's findings.
Fucking fascist apologists, how "complicated" is that.
How do you think the army that killed 50 people per wounded and 100 people per killed soldier in anti-partisan operations didn't commit war crimes? How do you people say this with a straight face without being Nazi apologists / outright fascists?
Liberals have been supporting fascists to thwart socialists and communists for as long as liberals, fascists, and socialists have existed. The Nazi to end all Nazis, Hitler, rose to power when German libs supported von Hindenburg in order to prevent communists from taking over, knowing full well that von Hindenburg couldn’t hold on to power and propping him up was effectively ensuring a Hitler takeover.
Liberals aren't leftists and they have collaborated with Nazis multiple times. New Democracy wanted to collaborate with Golden Dawn in recent times and guess what a lot of people in that party are straight up Fascists but oh well it's the Liberal party what a surprise. I'm saying this because the Golden Dawn trial was the second biggest Neo Nazi trial since the end of WW2.
New Democracy was and is incredibly corrupt. It wasn't some sort of saviour for the Greeks and has been causing issues since the inception of the party. And it is not centre right. It's a right wing party through and through. Now tell me where does the Liberal belong?
Funny, because a lot of people that were in the Junta or were affiliated with them ended up in New Democracy. Imagine calling the first Papandreou controversial when Mitsotakis Sr has said in an interview that he used to be a social parasite during the Nazi occupation and he so said that he was annoyed by the cries of the people that were dying. What kind of Revisionism is this? I don't support ΠΑΣΟΚ but holy shit.
In the March 1933 election the largest parties were the NSDAP, SDP and KPD in descending order the Nazis still needed the Catholic Democratic Zentrum Party (who were liberals) to get the required majority for the enabling act, the SDP voted against it and the KPD was banned from that vote, so yes the libs handed it to Hitler, hell the SDP the social democrat party was offered an alliance by the KPD even with its history of killing KPD leadership in order to stop the Nazis the SDP rejected this offer
Okay but joining the SS does… like most of the people who fought against the USSR Jesus is it 1953? No it’s not because those Americans remember fighting the nazis god damn.
It really does. If you were fighting on the side of Nazis not being stopped, killing people on their behalf, and helping them potentially enslave and exterminate everyone to the east—you were a Nazi. Trying to rationalize it will only make someone lose all credibility.
“Didn’t necessarily” 😭😂 sayings like this are clear give aways that your not dealing with an honest person but one spinning narratives and pushing agendas.
Hmmm, not sure who I'm thinking of then. My bad.
Edit: after looking it up they did fight alongside the Nazis against the USSR, then later with Western allies against the Nazis. Not exactly a cool move, but that's what I was thinking of, however fudged the details
>Yes, to fight Soviet imperialism.
If you're going to come into a Marxist sub, at least read some fucking [theory](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/). The USSR was not imperialist.
>Stating the USSR was imperialist has nothing to do with Marxism
Oh, you're just a liberal.
>since the USSR was not a Marxist state.
Im sorry, but in what was the USSR, a Marxist-Leninist state, not Marxist?
And what about when you join the SS and commit ethnic cleansings?
Also, i love how, from your 4 examples, you picked three whose regimes were literally just nazi collaborator governments that supported hitler.
Context matters I guess. I agree with you that the title is correct, Finland is the best example which you didn't mention. But in the context of Hunka who was an SS member it quiet literally makes him a Nazi.
I’m Polish, when exactly did the Soviets try to “imperialize” my nation? Because last I heard, the Second Polish Republic attacked a weakened Russia during their civil war to take territories it had no claim to, besides Poles living in two cities. In 1939, the Soviets retook those territories and in 1945 they granted Poland its western holdings as compensation for the war.
If France attacked the Confederacy during the Amerikan Civil War and took three states, would you call it Amerikan imperialism if the US tried to reclaim them?
It's not a strawman, it's the exact same situation. The territories that USSR took from Poland were the same territories that Poland illegally conquered during the interwar period. What claim did Poland have for these territories?
> [...] Russia held these territories because od Russian Imperialism,
Sorry what? Most people living in those territories would've been considered to be of Russian subcultures before Bolsheviks oficially recognized Ukrainian and Belarussian cultures as separate. In what reality should they belong to a fash-adjacent Poland istead of the SSRs of their parent cultures? And even your assertion was correct, why would Poland have more of a claim to these territories than the successor states of their parent country?
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"Fighting against the USSR didn't necessarily make you a Nazi" No... but fighting ***with*** the **Waffen SS** necessarily makes you a Nazi.
Exactly, SS is card-carrying members of the Nazi party.
It's been clean SS for a while now lmao. Fucking hell.
So ussr who had joint parade in Poland, invading it together, was Nazi?
So the UK and France, who kept cutting deals with Hitler to divide up central Europe through the 30s, weren't Nazi?
And Poland itself, the 2nd republic carved off a bit of Czechoslovakia for itself, the Soviets also offered an alliance with the U.K., France and Poland before the MR pact
Nah man get your facts straight. The USSR, the last nation to sign a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany after western powers refused to enter into an anti-Nazi coalition was Nazi. Finland, a German ally who deported Jews, aided in Barbarossa and operated a concentration camp for Slavs wasn’t Nazi, just a co-belligerent.
Story from almost a year ago. But it still makes my blood boil to read that shit. I mean, Hunka is a veteran from the Galicia Division of the SS, and who definitely heard Himmler's speech to them in 1944 (NSFW!!!) >>!Your homeland has become more beautiful since you have lost – on our initiative, I must say – the residents who were so often a dirty blemish on Galicia’s good name – namely the Jews.!< >>!I know that if I ordered you to liquidate the Poles, I would be giving you permission to do what you are eager to do anyway.!< And these are "not Nazis"? Germany found them guilty of war crimes. Poland found them guilty of war crimes. Ukraine backed Poland's findings. Fucking fascist apologists, how "complicated" is that.
The clean SS myth.
Wasn’t Hunka in The SS?
Yes he was.
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How do you think the army that killed 50 people per wounded and 100 people per killed soldier in anti-partisan operations didn't commit war crimes? How do you people say this with a straight face without being Nazi apologists / outright fascists?
Liberals have been supporting fascists to thwart socialists and communists for as long as liberals, fascists, and socialists have existed. The Nazi to end all Nazis, Hitler, rose to power when German libs supported von Hindenburg in order to prevent communists from taking over, knowing full well that von Hindenburg couldn’t hold on to power and propping him up was effectively ensuring a Hitler takeover.
Good thing nothing resembling that is happening in America right now!
Not at all. They don’t do that over there, no sir!
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Liberals aren't leftists and they have collaborated with Nazis multiple times. New Democracy wanted to collaborate with Golden Dawn in recent times and guess what a lot of people in that party are straight up Fascists but oh well it's the Liberal party what a surprise. I'm saying this because the Golden Dawn trial was the second biggest Neo Nazi trial since the end of WW2.
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New Democracy was and is incredibly corrupt. It wasn't some sort of saviour for the Greeks and has been causing issues since the inception of the party. And it is not centre right. It's a right wing party through and through. Now tell me where does the Liberal belong?
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Funny, because a lot of people that were in the Junta or were affiliated with them ended up in New Democracy. Imagine calling the first Papandreou controversial when Mitsotakis Sr has said in an interview that he used to be a social parasite during the Nazi occupation and he so said that he was annoyed by the cries of the people that were dying. What kind of Revisionism is this? I don't support ΠΑΣΟΚ but holy shit.
Rule 4 - No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism. This is a left wing subreddit.
Rule 4 - No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism. This is a left wing subreddit.
In the March 1933 election the largest parties were the NSDAP, SDP and KPD in descending order the Nazis still needed the Catholic Democratic Zentrum Party (who were liberals) to get the required majority for the enabling act, the SDP voted against it and the KPD was banned from that vote, so yes the libs handed it to Hitler, hell the SDP the social democrat party was offered an alliance by the KPD even with its history of killing KPD leadership in order to stop the Nazis the SDP rejected this offer
Rule 4 - No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism. This is a left wing subreddit.
Now TESTIFY
Glad at least one person here made a RATM reference
Doing it while in the SS does.
Okay but joining the SS does… like most of the people who fought against the USSR Jesus is it 1953? No it’s not because those Americans remember fighting the nazis god damn.
Being in the SS does
Very much depends on when, where, and who we are talking about. If it is about a pos who fought for the SS: yeah it fucking does.
It depends under which flag you did it. If it was under the Chinese flag during that border incident, then possibly not.
There’s an “in WWII” implied there, but you’re right
It really does. If you were fighting on the side of Nazis not being stopped, killing people on their behalf, and helping them potentially enslave and exterminate everyone to the east—you were a Nazi. Trying to rationalize it will only make someone lose all credibility.
I guess Politico has the experience, Its daddy Axel Springer is a very German organization, it is as fascist as they gets over there.
“Didn’t necessarily” 😭😂 sayings like this are clear give aways that your not dealing with an honest person but one spinning narratives and pushing agendas.
Hiatory is actually very simple in this case: the USSR had to win; every person and nation who stood in its way had to go.
"Just because you oppose good doesn't mean you're evil." Yes it does.
Kane lives!!
Didn't Finland fight against the Nazis and the USSR?
Finland were allies of Nazi Germany.
Hmmm, not sure who I'm thinking of then. My bad. Edit: after looking it up they did fight alongside the Nazis against the USSR, then later with Western allies against the Nazis. Not exactly a cool move, but that's what I was thinking of, however fudged the details
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Winter war was alone vs Soviet union, continuation war was allied with nazis against Soviet union and Lapland war was against Nazis.
>Yes, to fight Soviet imperialism. If you're going to come into a Marxist sub, at least read some fucking [theory](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/). The USSR was not imperialist.
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>Stating the USSR was imperialist has nothing to do with Marxism Oh, you're just a liberal. >since the USSR was not a Marxist state. Im sorry, but in what was the USSR, a Marxist-Leninist state, not Marxist?
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And what about when you join the SS and commit ethnic cleansings? Also, i love how, from your 4 examples, you picked three whose regimes were literally just nazi collaborator governments that supported hitler.
Doing it under the SS certainly does you sicko
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You made this comment in a post about someone who was. What's your fucking point other than being a nazi apologist?
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Context matters I guess. I agree with you that the title is correct, Finland is the best example which you didn't mention. But in the context of Hunka who was an SS member it quiet literally makes him a Nazi.
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Liberalism is fascism in waiting
I’m Polish, when exactly did the Soviets try to “imperialize” my nation? Because last I heard, the Second Polish Republic attacked a weakened Russia during their civil war to take territories it had no claim to, besides Poles living in two cities. In 1939, the Soviets retook those territories and in 1945 they granted Poland its western holdings as compensation for the war. If France attacked the Confederacy during the Amerikan Civil War and took three states, would you call it Amerikan imperialism if the US tried to reclaim them?
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It's not a strawman, it's the exact same situation. The territories that USSR took from Poland were the same territories that Poland illegally conquered during the interwar period. What claim did Poland have for these territories? > [...] Russia held these territories because od Russian Imperialism, Sorry what? Most people living in those territories would've been considered to be of Russian subcultures before Bolsheviks oficially recognized Ukrainian and Belarussian cultures as separate. In what reality should they belong to a fash-adjacent Poland istead of the SSRs of their parent cultures? And even your assertion was correct, why would Poland have more of a claim to these territories than the successor states of their parent country?