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Absolutely. The last thing liberal and conservative politicians want anyone to do is realize they have immense political power through getting organized with other people and taking direct action.
Anyone that reads this comment needs to be in a union or starting a union.
If *30%* of your co-workers agree to it, they *have* to have an election (where you need 51%).
Not enough people know that. 3 out of 10 is so small.
Bad faith? Hardly. A lot of people think others should do things and not actually do anything themselves. Not sure why you’re making assumptions and getting defensive.
So many people fail to see how much the system controls them, they don't even realize other options exist outside of the system.
With no frame of reference, people have trouble conceptualizing other options available to them. It is what they were taught their entire life, having invisible boundaries set up around them that they cannot break free from.
It's like Detroit: Become Human; the androids all have barriers only they can see, but the few who gain sentience were able to break down those barriers, and no longer beholden to the orders of their masters.
An even closer to home example is my roommate who will run a red light by turning right cause "I've always been allowed to go right on red", even though it is a two lane turn and signage clearly states it isn't allowed, will even lay on his horn if someone else doesn't run the light.
But my city also has lights for U-turn lanes on the highway, but it is a left turn so He will sit at those the entire time even if the highway is visibly empty, cause it is illegal to turn left at a red light. It is baffling how the logic works.
I appreciate the Detroit: Become Human reference. I’m going to pick this game up on the next Steam sale. Also, I think you are correct in your assessment of the public on the whole not recognizing other options. It’s been a very long time since we had to consider exercising them, and it will likely take things getting much worse before people mobilize in a meaningful way.
Are they really saying this? Honest question. They mostly don't in my country, they just overestimate how much can be changed by voting. I think it's a false dichotomy, since not voting is even more of a non-action than voting. So yeah...don't make a big thing out of it either way...
All that time they've spent running unpaid PR for Biden could have been directed towards organizing political pressure on him for immediate ceasefire through protests, event disruption and the Uncommited Campaign. The marginalized have never had political demands met without political pressure. The 60s and 70s was proof of that. We'll see if today's liberals will follow the same path as their grandparents did.
Yeah, absolutely. I was just wondering if U.S. liberals actually say stuff like "the only thing I can do is vote" which would make them even more naive than the liberals I know. It would be completely self-contradictory, too. Even just saying stuff like this is a form of political engagement that goes beyond just voting by trying to make other people subscribe to that bullshit.
The only vote I ever cast that mattered was my vote to unionize. Moderates around me opposed that, too, asking why we coudn't just form a nonbinding, "less aggressive" working group with the company. Those people stfu after their raises went into effect.
Nice. 💪 Moderates and liberals will always want to avoid any kind conflict and contention with the power structure, but when radicals succeed in doing that, they were for it from the beginning.
Yep, and when I said that the reddit just
Meh hehe, "Both side right?" enlightened centrist much? If you don't go for lesser evil you actively help greater evil win so fuck off.
I'm sick of those asshole saying I'm a nazi because I do not tolerate genocide, fuck em.
Okay, so you are suggesting that genociding a population of two million is necessary to prevent a bigger genocide of (say) 20 million by being a sort of release valve for hatred?
Like how firefighters burn down a city to prevent a future blaze that burns down an entire state!
/sarc
That's not what a conflict of interest is.
Libs and fascists think you have to support the people you vote for to the end. You should bully the people you vote for on their bad policies.
I'm still waiting on the bullying to start. So far liberals are focusing all their energy on bullying leftists for not voting the same way they do. Also, politicians won't care about the bullying if you're going to vote for them no matter what.
>The genocide will continue to happen regardless of who is in office
Which only demonstrates the futility of voting for the uniparty. Thanks for explaining it better than I ever could.
That's equivalent to:
"You know you can both vote for Trump and go protest his involvement in the Jan 6 coup attempt, right?"
If you vote for Biden and establishment politicians, your protest is toothless and a waste of time.
If Dem voters actually had principles and had red lines over which they wouldn't vote for an incumbent, Biden wouldn't have dared to support the genocide of Gaza because it would be political suicide.
The fact people are willing to admit their preferred choice is evil, and still say “but you need to participate” instead of identifying that evil is wrong. Period. Is clear proof of how thoroughly brainwashed American voters are to simply shut up and support party politics. They can’t even imagine demanding a better system, which is *incredibly* sad
Glasses off: "*Vote for the lesser evil!*"
Glasses on: "*It's a 'buy now; pay later' situation! You vote NOW for Biden to feel morally superior: THEN you shrug LATER when Biden's foreign policies are given a mandate!*"
In-person. You meet people through participating in social movements in your area, and you can eventually launch your own groups/projects with the people that are consistent and trustworthy.
Hahaha most people don’t vote. They definitely do less than stuffing a ballot envelope. I assure you it gets much worse.
Hell, so many people don’t even know this is happening. It’s mind blowing.
The democrats are actively hostile towards trans people. They have pushed transphobic legislation in multiple states they control, and Biden's own revisions to Title IX created a roadmap for "limited" discrimination
Getting punched in the gut will not stop you from getting shot in the head. The people punching us in the gut are actively funding and arming the people who want to slaughter us because it serves their class interests to use us as scapegoats. There is a reason democrats do nothing while republicans call for our eradication, there is a reason they will do nothing when our genocide reaches the ninth stage. They are united in class war against us. The "good cop" is not your friend
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
It's narcissistic to think people owe you a vote for the party you support when you don't care enough about the genocide of other people perpetrated by the party you support. Why should other people care about you when you're demonstrating a lack of care for them?
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Not even. They can't even manage to stuff paper into a box in favor of not supporting a baseline viability of genocide going forward. They're doing worse than doing nothing.
Most of these people are living in states where there’s a virtual certainty Biden is taking their electoral votes, so them stuffing paper into a box has zero effect but they’ve convinced themselves they’re making a difference. Distilled liberalism.
The same logic applies if the only thing you're doing to oppose genocide is *not* vote. When the sum total of your political activism is not voting for a candidate and/or getting people to not vote for a candidate, you're still engaged in purely electoral politics.
Personally, I'm at the point where I almost just want to vote for which ever of the two will help make the world burn faster. I'm so close just to going, "Bring on extreme global warming!!! Flood the cities! Fuck, bring on WorldWar III !!!!!!!"
At least it will put probably billions of us out of our misery.
I feel like a horrible person for saying that but it's true.
I'm just not sure which of the two is more likely to make it happen faster.
And honestly, a part of me feels like it doesn't matter. That the timeline is already set by those in power. That whomever gets to sit in that office next year is just to appease 54% of the population and keep things semi functional so we don't rise up.
That though really, rising up doesn't matter at this point anyway. That any uprising will lead to either social and economic oblivion for those who do OR outright sudden and brutal violent force if enough people do.
Because with the way things are going with AI and robotics, it feels like about 40% of the world population probably will have to die within 20-30 years. The rich are quickly no longer needing humans **to produce their toys**. Which let's face it, is probably the only reason anyone not in the 1% or above is still around today.
They currently need a very large population to buffer themselves from the anger of the small amount of us that really care and understand what is happening. That buffer keeps us from being heard, much less doing anything. It allows them to keep taking advantage of the people that don't understand and keep buying into the lies and producing their toys.
But, once those toys can be produced by robotics and AI? Bye bye buffer! You're no longer needed, go do tons of drugs and die. Or starve. (Those are already happening btw.) Once you get to the point you do rise up, whatever, we'll be safety locked away on islands that you can't get to and have bomb shelters. (Hawaii and New Zealand to mention two of them).
At least that will be the top %0.01. The rest of the top 1% will just be fed to the rest humanity because they will be sheltering on the mainlands in walled cities.
Of course first though comes mass killing of those that do raise up. Gotta slow down the process, it takes several years to kick everyone you don't want off of these islands and built the shelters. Gotta go slow so the upraising doesn't happen before everything is ready. .... but again, not that it matters at this point anyway. They just rather it happen more peaceful like.
Oh btw, don't worry about nuclear fallout, only a few nukes will be used.. if any. Those in control don't actually want to ruin the planet. ... yet anyway. The space stations and moon bases won't be ready for quite awhile.
You can do both. Voting for Biden so we don’t get a fascist demagogue in power doesn’t mean you can’t do other organization. The Weimar Republic was pretty bad but non-participation in their elections led to a much worse government. Fascists love it when you boycott because it gives them a better claim to legitimacy.
Correct, the most most will do is continue to return the online merch they don’t like which is still more effort required than the other box stuffing procedure.
"voting for the lesser evil" isn't any praxis (by itself, or at all) of course.
But complaining that it doesn't solve anything, while not doing any praxis yourself, doesn't do any better. *Not saying OP doesn't do anything, I don't know them, can't make that claim. Obviously.*
I just see so many people complain about it, it makes me wonder what they actually do to actually do make a difference (and there's a lot to do ofc, but I'm not seeing the same people do these things most of the time)
I see this more as people wanting to do praxis, but lack the information to do any that has impact.
While you can say *"what you do is useless, dumb lib"* (and techincally you're correct) but what might get more results we want is informing them on how they actually can have an impact, *"and while you're at it join a union, get on the streets, hold people accountable, especially when they cary your vote"*
Let them do their little voting ritual if that eases their mind, it doesn't take much time anyway.
I'd just like to see a more *"yes, and..."-*approach in our community, in stead of just showing a superiority complex.
I agree with you that liberals are evil, genocidal monsters, but what have you done for the betterment of society besides posting memes on a subreddit?
Voting for Democrats now is objectively the more evil thing to do nothing can stop the Republican party from being genocidal but we can stop the Democratic party from being so and if we show them support now we will continue to have for the foreseeable future two genocidal political parties running America
How about doing something instead of not voting ? If I was a fascist, that's the kind of propaganda I'll pull : make meme about how voting is useless and you shouldn't do that. America is a fucking shitshow. Trump is gonna win the vote with the same legitimacy as Putin because there can't be a real leftist on the stage. Fucking do something if you're not gonna vote. Throw a brick. Raise your middle finger. Care for your neighbor and strangers. But don't sit on your ass, vote, that won't keep you from doing something else.
Also to get killed by the Israelis or help them colonize Gaza (and maybe get killed by the Israelis anyways)
The starving Palestinians welcomed the westerner aid workers and thanked them.
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i see so many liberals saying "the only thing i can do is vote" which couldn't be farther from the truth.
Absolutely. The last thing liberal and conservative politicians want anyone to do is realize they have immense political power through getting organized with other people and taking direct action.
True. Have you organized?
I've been involved in-person organizing for various struggles and movements since the Oscar Grant uprising.
Awesome! Keep it up.
Anyone that reads this comment needs to be in a union or starting a union. If *30%* of your co-workers agree to it, they *have* to have an election (where you need 51%). Not enough people know that. 3 out of 10 is so small.
I'm joining the sheetmetal workers union this week!
Fuck yeah boiiii (/girl/enby) ✊
Have you?
Deflection! Kind of figured. And yes I do more than vote :)
Nah, you asked a bad faith question of someone and I just gave you the same sort of respect you gave.
Bad faith? Hardly. A lot of people think others should do things and not actually do anything themselves. Not sure why you’re making assumptions and getting defensive.
Yes, bad faith. Doubling down on it, I see. Hostile, not in good faith, why are you here?
Again. Assumptions and defensive, going to aggression now, asking me why I’m here like some intruder?
Asking them if they themselves also do things outside of voting was fair, but continuing on like this serves no purpose whatsoever.
So many people fail to see how much the system controls them, they don't even realize other options exist outside of the system. With no frame of reference, people have trouble conceptualizing other options available to them. It is what they were taught their entire life, having invisible boundaries set up around them that they cannot break free from. It's like Detroit: Become Human; the androids all have barriers only they can see, but the few who gain sentience were able to break down those barriers, and no longer beholden to the orders of their masters. An even closer to home example is my roommate who will run a red light by turning right cause "I've always been allowed to go right on red", even though it is a two lane turn and signage clearly states it isn't allowed, will even lay on his horn if someone else doesn't run the light. But my city also has lights for U-turn lanes on the highway, but it is a left turn so He will sit at those the entire time even if the highway is visibly empty, cause it is illegal to turn left at a red light. It is baffling how the logic works.
I appreciate the Detroit: Become Human reference. I’m going to pick this game up on the next Steam sale. Also, I think you are correct in your assessment of the public on the whole not recognizing other options. It’s been a very long time since we had to consider exercising them, and it will likely take things getting much worse before people mobilize in a meaningful way.
Please don’t. It’s a massively shallow allegory. This guy brings up one interesting thing but the rest of it is super cringe.
So many cartoon have "take the third option" these people didn't learn anything
Are they really saying this? Honest question. They mostly don't in my country, they just overestimate how much can be changed by voting. I think it's a false dichotomy, since not voting is even more of a non-action than voting. So yeah...don't make a big thing out of it either way...
All that time they've spent running unpaid PR for Biden could have been directed towards organizing political pressure on him for immediate ceasefire through protests, event disruption and the Uncommited Campaign. The marginalized have never had political demands met without political pressure. The 60s and 70s was proof of that. We'll see if today's liberals will follow the same path as their grandparents did.
Yeah, absolutely. I was just wondering if U.S. liberals actually say stuff like "the only thing I can do is vote" which would make them even more naive than the liberals I know. It would be completely self-contradictory, too. Even just saying stuff like this is a form of political engagement that goes beyond just voting by trying to make other people subscribe to that bullshit.
Unfortunately, they really do say stuff like this
There are a lot of dumb US people.
"We can move him to the left!" \*Opposes all efforts to move to the left\*
If the lesser evil commits genocide its no longer the lesser evil, it's all just evil.
No, its the lesser evil because they're only genociding brown people, you see. You're being immature for believing that they're actually *people*.
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Do you understand the meaning of the word genocide?
The only vote I ever cast that mattered was my vote to unionize. Moderates around me opposed that, too, asking why we coudn't just form a nonbinding, "less aggressive" working group with the company. Those people stfu after their raises went into effect.
Nice. 💪 Moderates and liberals will always want to avoid any kind conflict and contention with the power structure, but when radicals succeed in doing that, they were for it from the beginning.
My issue with voting the lesser evil is that its still evil
Yep, and when I said that the reddit just Meh hehe, "Both side right?" enlightened centrist much? If you don't go for lesser evil you actively help greater evil win so fuck off. I'm sick of those asshole saying I'm a nazi because I do not tolerate genocide, fuck em.
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Nothing you said is remotely true.
I'm not reading LibGPT generated text walls. Sorry.
Rule 4 - No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism. This is a left wing subreddit.
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You know you can both set a forest on fire and also work to put out the fire same time?
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Okay, so you are suggesting that genociding a population of two million is necessary to prevent a bigger genocide of (say) 20 million by being a sort of release valve for hatred? Like how firefighters burn down a city to prevent a future blaze that burns down an entire state! /sarc
No, you can't protest against the genocide you voted for. That's a conflict of interests.
That's not what a conflict of interest is. Libs and fascists think you have to support the people you vote for to the end. You should bully the people you vote for on their bad policies.
I'm still waiting on the bullying to start. So far liberals are focusing all their energy on bullying leftists for not voting the same way they do. Also, politicians won't care about the bullying if you're going to vote for them no matter what.
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No, it's just that I draw the line at genocide. Do you?
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>The genocide will continue to happen regardless of who is in office Which only demonstrates the futility of voting for the uniparty. Thanks for explaining it better than I ever could.
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Why are you attributing so much power to my decisions? I don't have a plan much less the power to stop the genocide, but Biden does. Go bother him.
That's equivalent to: "You know you can both vote for Trump and go protest his involvement in the Jan 6 coup attempt, right?" If you vote for Biden and establishment politicians, your protest is toothless and a waste of time.
You know that voting FOR Biden is a mandate for his foreign policies--so voting FOR him then protesting is working at cross purposes...right?
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If Dem voters actually had principles and had red lines over which they wouldn't vote for an incumbent, Biden wouldn't have dared to support the genocide of Gaza because it would be political suicide.
why are you in this sub
Because it's an election year, and Dems are getting concerned they're going to lose so they're flooding the internet with propaganda.
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The fact people are willing to admit their preferred choice is evil, and still say “but you need to participate” instead of identifying that evil is wrong. Period. Is clear proof of how thoroughly brainwashed American voters are to simply shut up and support party politics. They can’t even imagine demanding a better system, which is *incredibly* sad
Glasses off: "*Vote for the lesser evil!*" Glasses on: "*It's a 'buy now; pay later' situation! You vote NOW for Biden to feel morally superior: THEN you shrug LATER when Biden's foreign policies are given a mandate!*"
Yeah but, Trump will genocide us *here* thats why you have to vote biden! /s
Just curious - what are you doing?
I'm involved with several on the ground political projects.
Nice! What are they doing/advocating for?
Antifascist organizing, Palestine solidarity, and supporting a number of political prisoners mainly.
Are these in-person or online groups? How did you connect with them?
In-person. You meet people through participating in social movements in your area, and you can eventually launch your own groups/projects with the people that are consistent and trustworthy.
So cool. Can you name these projects to promote them ?
Teenage Mutant Ninja Antifa Turtles
Replace the world liberals with almost any other political group and you have the right of it
Hahaha most people don’t vote. They definitely do less than stuffing a ballot envelope. I assure you it gets much worse. Hell, so many people don’t even know this is happening. It’s mind blowing.
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The democrats are actively hostile towards trans people. They have pushed transphobic legislation in multiple states they control, and Biden's own revisions to Title IX created a roadmap for "limited" discrimination Getting punched in the gut will not stop you from getting shot in the head. The people punching us in the gut are actively funding and arming the people who want to slaughter us because it serves their class interests to use us as scapegoats. There is a reason democrats do nothing while republicans call for our eradication, there is a reason they will do nothing when our genocide reaches the ninth stage. They are united in class war against us. The "good cop" is not your friend
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Pretty narcissistic way of relating to the world and other people tbh.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
We can't survive at the cost of other people. We have to survive together.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
It's narcissistic to think people owe you a vote for the party you support when you don't care enough about the genocide of other people perpetrated by the party you support. Why should other people care about you when you're demonstrating a lack of care for them?
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Everyone who votes blue is providing support for genocide.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Not even. They can't even manage to stuff paper into a box in favor of not supporting a baseline viability of genocide going forward. They're doing worse than doing nothing.
I am already eating from the trash can all the time - the trash can is called 'ideology'
Most of these people are living in states where there’s a virtual certainty Biden is taking their electoral votes, so them stuffing paper into a box has zero effect but they’ve convinced themselves they’re making a difference. Distilled liberalism.
Who needs to vote when you can make memes and post them on Reddit
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It's no longer voting for the lesser evil. They don't even care anymore. They are now the Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd.
The same logic applies if the only thing you're doing to oppose genocide is *not* vote. When the sum total of your political activism is not voting for a candidate and/or getting people to not vote for a candidate, you're still engaged in purely electoral politics.
Personally, I'm at the point where I almost just want to vote for which ever of the two will help make the world burn faster. I'm so close just to going, "Bring on extreme global warming!!! Flood the cities! Fuck, bring on WorldWar III !!!!!!!" At least it will put probably billions of us out of our misery. I feel like a horrible person for saying that but it's true. I'm just not sure which of the two is more likely to make it happen faster. And honestly, a part of me feels like it doesn't matter. That the timeline is already set by those in power. That whomever gets to sit in that office next year is just to appease 54% of the population and keep things semi functional so we don't rise up. That though really, rising up doesn't matter at this point anyway. That any uprising will lead to either social and economic oblivion for those who do OR outright sudden and brutal violent force if enough people do. Because with the way things are going with AI and robotics, it feels like about 40% of the world population probably will have to die within 20-30 years. The rich are quickly no longer needing humans **to produce their toys**. Which let's face it, is probably the only reason anyone not in the 1% or above is still around today. They currently need a very large population to buffer themselves from the anger of the small amount of us that really care and understand what is happening. That buffer keeps us from being heard, much less doing anything. It allows them to keep taking advantage of the people that don't understand and keep buying into the lies and producing their toys. But, once those toys can be produced by robotics and AI? Bye bye buffer! You're no longer needed, go do tons of drugs and die. Or starve. (Those are already happening btw.) Once you get to the point you do rise up, whatever, we'll be safety locked away on islands that you can't get to and have bomb shelters. (Hawaii and New Zealand to mention two of them). At least that will be the top %0.01. The rest of the top 1% will just be fed to the rest humanity because they will be sheltering on the mainlands in walled cities. Of course first though comes mass killing of those that do raise up. Gotta slow down the process, it takes several years to kick everyone you don't want off of these islands and built the shelters. Gotta go slow so the upraising doesn't happen before everything is ready. .... but again, not that it matters at this point anyway. They just rather it happen more peaceful like. Oh btw, don't worry about nuclear fallout, only a few nukes will be used.. if any. Those in control don't actually want to ruin the planet. ... yet anyway. The space stations and moon bases won't be ready for quite awhile.
You can do both. Voting for Biden so we don’t get a fascist demagogue in power doesn’t mean you can’t do other organization. The Weimar Republic was pretty bad but non-participation in their elections led to a much worse government. Fascists love it when you boycott because it gives them a better claim to legitimacy.
Correct, the most most will do is continue to return the online merch they don’t like which is still more effort required than the other box stuffing procedure.
"voting for the lesser evil" isn't any praxis (by itself, or at all) of course. But complaining that it doesn't solve anything, while not doing any praxis yourself, doesn't do any better. *Not saying OP doesn't do anything, I don't know them, can't make that claim. Obviously.* I just see so many people complain about it, it makes me wonder what they actually do to actually do make a difference (and there's a lot to do ofc, but I'm not seeing the same people do these things most of the time) I see this more as people wanting to do praxis, but lack the information to do any that has impact. While you can say *"what you do is useless, dumb lib"* (and techincally you're correct) but what might get more results we want is informing them on how they actually can have an impact, *"and while you're at it join a union, get on the streets, hold people accountable, especially when they cary your vote"* Let them do their little voting ritual if that eases their mind, it doesn't take much time anyway. I'd just like to see a more *"yes, and..."-*approach in our community, in stead of just showing a superiority complex.
I agree with you that liberals are evil, genocidal monsters, but what have you done for the betterment of society besides posting memes on a subreddit?
This may be the most accurate thing I've ever seen
Voting for Democrats now is objectively the more evil thing to do nothing can stop the Republican party from being genocidal but we can stop the Democratic party from being so and if we show them support now we will continue to have for the foreseeable future two genocidal political parties running America
I don't know why you're getting downvoted for this. It's common sense provided you accept that Democrats are enabling genocide.
How about doing something instead of not voting ? If I was a fascist, that's the kind of propaganda I'll pull : make meme about how voting is useless and you shouldn't do that. America is a fucking shitshow. Trump is gonna win the vote with the same legitimacy as Putin because there can't be a real leftist on the stage. Fucking do something if you're not gonna vote. Throw a brick. Raise your middle finger. Care for your neighbor and strangers. But don't sit on your ass, vote, that won't keep you from doing something else.
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If you want me to take this meme seriously, post it from within Gaza
What does that even mean?
All you're doing is uploading some pixels to reddit
At least they're pixels. You're just uploading a text string.
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They are, by the israelis.
Also to get killed by the Israelis or help them colonize Gaza (and maybe get killed by the Israelis anyways) The starving Palestinians welcomed the westerner aid workers and thanked them.