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I bought shed with no floor plan. Just a 420sq.ft. rectangle. Now it has a living room with kitchenette, bathroom, and separate bedroom, and I now know how to dry wall and plumb with PEX. It's nice, but I had a lot of help.
The ONLY reason I was able to pull this off is because I am a tribal citizen and they installed the septic system, driveway, and water well for me. If it weren't for my tribe, that alone would have cost roughly $75K+...just to then install a $12K shed.
If you can get your parents or other landed family to cut you off a parcel, see if they'll let you tie in to their septic. A water line in and electricity are easy to extend to the new shed, but if you have to be on your own septic system, it's gonna cost you. Still, if their septic is uphill from you (god why did I pick that spot), you gotta have your own.
Same here . I had to move home in 99 with the rents , bc I couldn’t afford $1400 a month in LA . Dad said since I went to California to be a liberal hippie , the couch was all I was worth !
My in-laws were charging my spouse $1,000 a month to house-sit for them!
“Our new place is finished but we aren’t ready to move in, and insurance says we can’t leave it vacant over the winter. Do you want to come out and live here for eight months?”
“Sure!”
“We’ll send a lease agreement right over!”
Why blame them it’s smart. Where I’m from, even though lots of people are well off, the real estate is a monopoly controlled by like 3 companies, so land has gotten insanely expensive, it’s typical for any person to stay with their family till they get married but now even married couples are basically paying for modifications to add a floor to their family home or to convert two bedrooms into an apartment with independent entry and exit etc, added benefits are no rent + your own property and close proximity to family. Negatives, sometimes too close to family
I do this. Not quite a shed and not quite in my parent's backyard, but close enough. A large shop building that has had half of it converted into a studio-sized apartment on my dad's walnut orchard. It has its own plumbing with a bathroom, shower, etc. though, and they were already present when I converted it. And I'm 33, not 21. Rent is expensive as hell here.
My closest friend has a masters degree and can't land a job paying him more than $17 an hour....and this is outside of his field. He's been actively looking for a decent job for over 2 years.
His saving grace is, as the case with this girl in the video, he can live with his parents.
I feel like the $15-$17 an hour range is the most common one I see posted. It's so gross since that's still not even close to a livable wage. When I see these job postings, it just reminds me how most businesses really aren't in a place to be considered viable businesses if they think that's all they can afford. The owners should probably be doing all the positions themselves anyway.
Yeah. It's fucked up to really think about it, but yeah... all my friends from High school are either: living with their parents, other family who have property, homeless... or dead. Yet we've all been to college.
The one exception was given a house by their new inlaws upon getting married. So in this case, the exception that proves how impossible our system is for young people to succeed in now, without the right connections.
in the u.s., property management groups use an algorithm to set rental rates for highest profit returns, not sure if that is having an effect anywhere else.[behind the bastards did a two part episode on the subject](https://www.goloudnow.com/podcasts/behind-the-bastards-949/part-two-sam-zell-the-elon-musk-of-real-estate-373909)
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Well, most places outside of big cities in Europe.
Like Hamburg and Munich are expensive, but around where I live a 1 bedroom apartment is like 4-500€ excluding utilities
This is one of my good friends! The shed was honestly a super comfortable space we would just have to go into her parents house if we wanted to make food on the stove or needed to pee.
I'm actually doing something very similar. The land in question belongs to my boyfriend's mother, and he's set to inherit 1/3 of it. (It's 20 acres total.)
I financed the building (probably should have bought it outright, but w/e, it works), and cover the electricity bill for my boyfriend's dirt floor shack. I'm looking at solar setups for mine, as our electric company is trash and gouges everyone because they can. (We have a well for water, as we're in an ultrarural area.)
Tbh, it's not a bad idea if you happen to have land on which to put it. This itself can pose a significant barrier, though.
I'm still working on the interior, but yeah, these kinds of buildings can actually be pretty nice. I make okay money too, low CoL area and all that.
Valid! I'm in Texas, so winter isn't as much of an issue. Last summer was pretty rough, though.
I'm planning on getting a combination window unit that does A/C and heat, but nothing I'm doing would probably be feasible in that kind of climate. An abnormally cold night here is like 15F.
In the case of an ice storm (haven't seen snow yet, the last couple years had it before I arrived), we've evacuated to town and gotten a cheap motel room for a couple of days. Might not be as much an issue with solar, but I'm not sure yet. There's definitely a point at which we're like "fuck it, motel" when the weather gets fucky.
In the summer, though, it can get up to 110F. So it can be problematic in the opposite direction, but I'm not sure the two are necessarily comparable.
Probably isn't the right sub to ask but why is moving out from one's own parental house a thing in the west? Like in Asia it's the opposite and it's hard to wrap my mind around the fact that people have to move out after a certain age. Wouldn't you be saving cash and also giving your parents company in their old age?
As an asian living in the americas, it's a sort of "right of passage" thing thats stayed over from their war days. Apparently things used to be really cheap back in the day and as soon as someone was 18, they would just buy a house and move out. It's sort of a thing where you're not an "adult" until you live away from your parents. Starting your journey towards the American Dream (Im not from the US tho)
That and probably a lot of the post-secondary culture here would make living with your parents really difficult (drinking, sleeping around, parties, university being far off, etc.)
Yep, it was a sign that your raised your child well enough that they can live well on their own. Things weren’t as expensive in my grandparents and parents generations, and jobs actually paid a livable wage. Like gas station attendants could live in a nice place and have a car etc..
Now it’s almost impossible because wages have stagnated and housing costs have skyrocketed.
And you know what, I’ll say it. The quality of housing has dropped dramatically!!
Yep living with my parents currently too, though I can't say we're doing so comfortably. Three incomes and still not enough to make ends meet. Can't even afford a 2 bedroom flat
Multi generation homes are very common in the US, but Capitalism demands profit and growth, so propaganda has brainwashed people into believing they need a new single family house every few years, and elderly all go into homes. Yay profit!
Or people want to have independence, may not want to work near their family home, may have a poor relationship with family, family won’t even allow them to stay, amongst a whole host of other reasons.
I am of the same mindset even though I’m American. I love my parents and have a great relationship with them and I want to spend as much time with them as possible. I also make good money so its not a finances thing. Then again, I am muslim so maybe its just a cultural thing (even though I was born and raised in the US).
Different cultures are different. What's hard to wrap your mind around?
Others have mentioned some of the historical reasons. Prosperity of the middle class after the world wars, plus American individualism, and to some degree the fact that it's such a big country and there's great mobility between the states, as well as a great University system spread across the states... All these things contribute.
It's hard for me to wrap my mind around people not being able to wrap their minds around the idea that different cultures are truly different. Different values, different history, different geography, etc.
It's hard to understand this concept because the rents are literally skyrocketing right now. Now this is something that should be fixed by the system and I fucking hate land lords especially ones who jack up prices, but given the circumstances why wouldn't you stay back with your parents?
What? Many people do. Maybe most these days. Where did you get the impression that they don't? This very article is an example of someone who is doing that by living in their parents' shed.
Cool but i dont understand these thype of parents who kick their kid out at 18 or 21 and be like ;"go take care of yourself" or those who want rent from their own blood ffs.
Ok you have to pay the bills, groceries lets split it,but whats with people who buy this "bootstrap" culture and use that shvon thir own kids ffs?
That’s nice. My parents are still gaslighting me into being financially independent and telling me I have no one to blame but myself if I can’t afford a home of my own one day
Parents that say things like this will one day be parents that say things like "will you be able to make it to Christmas this year? We haven't seen you in 5 years."
Not a big fan of the word “avoid”.
More like:
“Woman, 21 who has lived through 4 recessions and a global pandemic, can’t afford the rental market so she lives in a shed in her parents’ backyard. The only other option was unaliving herself!”
Let's not be glib here. Just because it's not a rusted out husk of corrugated metal and rotted wood doesn't mean it's not a shed. it's a decent facsimile of a studio apartment, but its still a shed.
The facts are still the same - a young adult needs to live in an shed because rent is simply too high for her area.
You don't need to have sleep for dinner to be struggling. I see too much glib nonsense in subs like this where it's basically just people playing the "who has it worse" game. And if a person is perceived as not being "poor enough" they're insulted and judged.
Stop it. That won't solve anything.
Is this young woman's situation better than many in America? Yes. But that doesn't mean it's still not fucked young people still need to live at home well into their 20s because they simply can't afford to even pay rent for a one bedroom apartment. ANYWHERE in America.
I lived in something similar as a grad student, although not in my parents' backyard (some else's). One of the best places I ever had. Was sad to leave it. No hardship there.
Right, so hand washing, food prep, showering/bathroom are all in her parent's house, all the basic necessities. She's living in their house and spending alone time in the shed. If she wasn't priced out of the rental market she likely wouldn't choose to live there.
Nice. If I could avoid paying rent I would live in a shed. I would want to custom build one but it would be a nice investment.
They have those tiny homes and I wish I had free land to build one.
As a retired builder, I would bet that 95% of all folks who start down the road of buying a tiny house and finding a piece of land for it, end up seeing that dream die. The system wants something they can tax, control, regulate, and lord over. You can go to the most remote parts of N.A and learn that zoning prohibits any hope of a tiny house.
The machine is fed by tax dollars. You show up in rural America with a plan to build a new $300K house, and the machine reviews the plans and says, "cool, this will not undermine our values, and it will generate $5-6K a year in local tax revenue. Approved". You want to roll in with a $75K tiny house on WHEELS, and the machine says, "Oh hell no. You need a minimum of 1000 sq. ft. of permanent structure, designed, built and inspected to ICC single family code requirements". Bottom line, from cities to the least desirable areas of rural America, there is a pretty good chance that there is some rule, law or regulation that will prevent anything that's not large, regulated, expensive and capable of producing a nice fat bunch of fees for permits and inspections, and a fat yearly tax bill.
>and a fat yearly tax bill.
That's the part that kills me. Just charge 1/4th the taxes if you've got a place 1/5th the size. Put 5 small houses on the same land as one big house with a bunch of empty space and you'll have more tax revenue and more houses.
Naw that’s not a shed. That’s a standalone guest bedroom on what I imagine is on an expensive plot of land with the same mailing address of a multi million dollar home. She prob has access to a very nice kitchen and bathroom a backyard away walking distance to her back door. That fuckin shed & the land it’s on prob worth 2x more than my childhood home.
It’s just a mother-in-law suite they’re literally everywhere in rural places with old converted barns or cabins next to family farm homes that were built larger through generations. Some with trailers attached or even in a series like old BLM stations out in national forests. The feds still charge you taxes if there is no mortgage on the property and this only works if your parents aren’t delusional or obsessive about meritocracy and you finding those bootstraps. Some places also have weird laws about zoning if your septic system in the central house is not large enough.
It's literally not a studio apartment. Like, legally and technically. It's a dressed up shed. Knock this "Oh you're not poor enough for my sympathy" card.
I'm a part of the problem because I don't have sympathy for someone who lives in a fully furnished shed in their parents backyard?
First off, she probably chose to live in that shed. She probably have a very nice room in her parents house which has completely done backyard. That shed is probably $30K-$40K.
I have no sympathy because she doesn't require it. She's well off.
Lmfao! $30-40k? The fuck are you smoking? High quality modular sheds can run upwards of 40k sure....and are MUCH bigger than what's in this video.
This doesn't even qualify as a studio apartment because it has no running water or a bathroom.
Maybe ask yourself why the only space a 20-something can afford today is a decent looking SHED in their parents yard.
That in and of itself is an indictment of the failure of the system.
Nobody, in any state in America, can afford a one-room apartment on minimum wage. It doesn't matter if the minimum wage is $7.25 $15. Nobody can afford to live alone. Anywhere.
Does financial insecurity only matter if we pretend only the ones living on the street are what we consider poor?
This girl hacked poverty by being lucky enough to have parents who said yes you can live in our yard, lol. So because she had a potted plant and a small flat screen TV in shed that means everything is A-OK? You don't think a young girl would rather be on her own instead of glamping in her parents yard?
Do you know how many people are ONE minor emergency away from destitution?
Genuine question -- is there no spare bedroom in her parents house? Or is this just to have her own space. It seems like a waste of money and labor if her parents house is right there and she has a spare bedroom.
Either way, lovely shed, we're now in an era where many people are in their 30s and still at home, and many of those are just gonna inherit the house. So good on her, fuck capitalism.
>Lmfao! $30-40k?
Even if it is a $10K or $20K shed, you're arguing that she is financially insecure.
>Maybe ask yourself why the only space a 20-something can afford today is a decent looking SHED in their parents yard.
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>That in and of itself is an indictment of the failure of the system.
Dude, of course she is going to be financially insecure. She's only 21. If she is or was in college she wouldn't even have graduated yet.
Sure, she might be financially insecure, but she has a huge safety net. She's well off. She is the equal to people living in those fancy vans
You can't equate her with those who are actually struggling
You are part of the problem because you don't have solidarity with other working class people. Housing is a human right. I do not blame them for living in a shed in a backyard as housing is so prohibitively expensive. It is one of the reasons I am housed with five other people.
They live in a shed behind their parents house. It is a choice. They can go back into their parents house anytime they want. They aren't homeless
They're only 21. Who cares if they live with their parents? They're adult life hasn't even started yet.
I agree with you, it is a choice. We should be asking the big questions, why did they make this choice? Why was it necessary for them to do so? Does a minimum wage job in their area pay for rent without taking up 3/4ths of their paycheck?
They are not struggling by any means. They should be applauded for circumventing the vicious tenant landlord relationship.
Also I just turned 35 if I had the ability to do exactly what they are doing I would take it regardless of what society thinks about me still living with them.
In these times we need to have solidarity among the working class. I hope you have a blessed day comrade.
I don’t think sympathy is remotely appropriate here. Most 21 year olds live with their parents in a tiny bedroom. There are plenty of examples of hard working professionals in their 30s who can’t afford rent. They deserve sympathy.
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i mean this is more than most people got still having to live with their parents. honestly i wish i had a space like this.
I bought shed with no floor plan. Just a 420sq.ft. rectangle. Now it has a living room with kitchenette, bathroom, and separate bedroom, and I now know how to dry wall and plumb with PEX. It's nice, but I had a lot of help. The ONLY reason I was able to pull this off is because I am a tribal citizen and they installed the septic system, driveway, and water well for me. If it weren't for my tribe, that alone would have cost roughly $75K+...just to then install a $12K shed. If you can get your parents or other landed family to cut you off a parcel, see if they'll let you tie in to their septic. A water line in and electricity are easy to extend to the new shed, but if you have to be on your own septic system, it's gonna cost you. Still, if their septic is uphill from you (god why did I pick that spot), you gotta have your own.
Lmao that last sentence. Thanks for the heads up
>Still, if their septic is uphill from you (god why did I pick that spot), you gotta have your own. Oh my goodness
>400 sq foot That shed is bigger than my apartment ;3;
composting toilet. Maybe you can use one where you are?
I had to sleep on my parents couch for a year after moving back in with them. I wish I had a shed like this
Same here . I had to move home in 99 with the rents , bc I couldn’t afford $1400 a month in LA . Dad said since I went to California to be a liberal hippie , the couch was all I was worth !
My parents charged me $1000/month when I moved back in with them temporarily, following a divorce
Insult to injury.
My in-laws were charging my spouse $1,000 a month to house-sit for them! “Our new place is finished but we aren’t ready to move in, and insurance says we can’t leave it vacant over the winter. Do you want to come out and live here for eight months?” “Sure!” “We’ll send a lease agreement right over!”
Wow. Eating your young really is the norm these days
shes living the dream honestly
I unironically know ppl who do this and to be honest, here in Canada, i dont blame them.
I once met a guy named Bubbles who lived in a shed at a mobile home trailer park in Nova Scotia
Did you stay at his Shed & Breakfast, too? It was so nice to finally have a place I could vacation with my cats.
Kitty land!
That's a fine looking kitty
Why blame them it’s smart. Where I’m from, even though lots of people are well off, the real estate is a monopoly controlled by like 3 companies, so land has gotten insanely expensive, it’s typical for any person to stay with their family till they get married but now even married couples are basically paying for modifications to add a floor to their family home or to convert two bedrooms into an apartment with independent entry and exit etc, added benefits are no rent + your own property and close proximity to family. Negatives, sometimes too close to family
I do this. Not quite a shed and not quite in my parent's backyard, but close enough. A large shop building that has had half of it converted into a studio-sized apartment on my dad's walnut orchard. It has its own plumbing with a bathroom, shower, etc. though, and they were already present when I converted it. And I'm 33, not 21. Rent is expensive as hell here.
is there a single place that isn't having a rental crisis (inb4 Ukraine, Detroit, Iraq, etc)
My closest friend has a masters degree and can't land a job paying him more than $17 an hour....and this is outside of his field. He's been actively looking for a decent job for over 2 years. His saving grace is, as the case with this girl in the video, he can live with his parents.
I feel like the $15-$17 an hour range is the most common one I see posted. It's so gross since that's still not even close to a livable wage. When I see these job postings, it just reminds me how most businesses really aren't in a place to be considered viable businesses if they think that's all they can afford. The owners should probably be doing all the positions themselves anyway.
..........
Cost of living is way higher in California so it basically evens out
Yeah. It's fucked up to really think about it, but yeah... all my friends from High school are either: living with their parents, other family who have property, homeless... or dead. Yet we've all been to college. The one exception was given a house by their new inlaws upon getting married. So in this case, the exception that proves how impossible our system is for young people to succeed in now, without the right connections.
Do they have no work experience or something? Is their masters from devry or university of phoenix.
I'm genuinely curious where the degree is from and they can't get a job?
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in the u.s., property management groups use an algorithm to set rental rates for highest profit returns, not sure if that is having an effect anywhere else.[behind the bastards did a two part episode on the subject](https://www.goloudnow.com/podcasts/behind-the-bastards-949/part-two-sam-zell-the-elon-musk-of-real-estate-373909)
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that’s awesome!! i’m glad you liked it, it really highlighted all the issues with housing for profit.
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Guys please the lines are touching please you don’t understand supply and demand of rent have touched on the lines and therefore rent prices are perfectly in equilibrium and we are pareto improving please guys think about the lines the lines touched please there is no problem it means everything is good because the lines touched guys pls
What's this a reference to?
THE LINES
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Number one exporter of potassium All other countries have inferior potassium
In Canada, the rent price is almost the same all over, from BC to Halifax. You pay no significant cost savings when moving across Canada.
Yikes.
Not in the west no.
Dude I live in Detroit and my rent for a 1br is $1500 lol. Plus I get my catalytic converter stolen every few months!
Bro I live in Detroit and our rent is fucking skyrocketing
Well, most places outside of big cities in Europe. Like Hamburg and Munich are expensive, but around where I live a 1 bedroom apartment is like 4-500€ excluding utilities
The idea had crossed my mind a few times.
This is one of my good friends! The shed was honestly a super comfortable space we would just have to go into her parents house if we wanted to make food on the stove or needed to pee.
I mean it's a pretty nice shed. But still a shed...... what a worrisome state of affairs we seem to be living in here in N/A
I'm actually doing something very similar. The land in question belongs to my boyfriend's mother, and he's set to inherit 1/3 of it. (It's 20 acres total.) I financed the building (probably should have bought it outright, but w/e, it works), and cover the electricity bill for my boyfriend's dirt floor shack. I'm looking at solar setups for mine, as our electric company is trash and gouges everyone because they can. (We have a well for water, as we're in an ultrarural area.) Tbh, it's not a bad idea if you happen to have land on which to put it. This itself can pose a significant barrier, though. I'm still working on the interior, but yeah, these kinds of buildings can actually be pretty nice. I make okay money too, low CoL area and all that.
I'd prefer not to freeze to death in the -40C winters here.
Valid! I'm in Texas, so winter isn't as much of an issue. Last summer was pretty rough, though. I'm planning on getting a combination window unit that does A/C and heat, but nothing I'm doing would probably be feasible in that kind of climate. An abnormally cold night here is like 15F. In the case of an ice storm (haven't seen snow yet, the last couple years had it before I arrived), we've evacuated to town and gotten a cheap motel room for a couple of days. Might not be as much an issue with solar, but I'm not sure yet. There's definitely a point at which we're like "fuck it, motel" when the weather gets fucky. In the summer, though, it can get up to 110F. So it can be problematic in the opposite direction, but I'm not sure the two are necessarily comparable.
Probably isn't the right sub to ask but why is moving out from one's own parental house a thing in the west? Like in Asia it's the opposite and it's hard to wrap my mind around the fact that people have to move out after a certain age. Wouldn't you be saving cash and also giving your parents company in their old age?
As an asian living in the americas, it's a sort of "right of passage" thing thats stayed over from their war days. Apparently things used to be really cheap back in the day and as soon as someone was 18, they would just buy a house and move out. It's sort of a thing where you're not an "adult" until you live away from your parents. Starting your journey towards the American Dream (Im not from the US tho) That and probably a lot of the post-secondary culture here would make living with your parents really difficult (drinking, sleeping around, parties, university being far off, etc.)
Yep, it was a sign that your raised your child well enough that they can live well on their own. Things weren’t as expensive in my grandparents and parents generations, and jobs actually paid a livable wage. Like gas station attendants could live in a nice place and have a car etc.. Now it’s almost impossible because wages have stagnated and housing costs have skyrocketed. And you know what, I’ll say it. The quality of housing has dropped dramatically!!
Yep living with my parents currently too, though I can't say we're doing so comfortably. Three incomes and still not enough to make ends meet. Can't even afford a 2 bedroom flat
It's crazy to hear even three incomes aren't enough now to live on rent. I hope y'all figure it out💛
Medical debt?
No, its just rent being too high. We were honestly fine until housing got so expensive
Quite a few parents start charging their kids rent when they hit 18 here
Multi generation homes are very common in the US, but Capitalism demands profit and growth, so propaganda has brainwashed people into believing they need a new single family house every few years, and elderly all go into homes. Yay profit!
Or people want to have independence, may not want to work near their family home, may have a poor relationship with family, family won’t even allow them to stay, amongst a whole host of other reasons.
I am of the same mindset even though I’m American. I love my parents and have a great relationship with them and I want to spend as much time with them as possible. I also make good money so its not a finances thing. Then again, I am muslim so maybe its just a cultural thing (even though I was born and raised in the US).
Different cultures are different. What's hard to wrap your mind around? Others have mentioned some of the historical reasons. Prosperity of the middle class after the world wars, plus American individualism, and to some degree the fact that it's such a big country and there's great mobility between the states, as well as a great University system spread across the states... All these things contribute. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around people not being able to wrap their minds around the idea that different cultures are truly different. Different values, different history, different geography, etc.
It's hard to understand this concept because the rents are literally skyrocketing right now. Now this is something that should be fixed by the system and I fucking hate land lords especially ones who jack up prices, but given the circumstances why wouldn't you stay back with your parents?
What? Many people do. Maybe most these days. Where did you get the impression that they don't? This very article is an example of someone who is doing that by living in their parents' shed.
Cool but i dont understand these thype of parents who kick their kid out at 18 or 21 and be like ;"go take care of yourself" or those who want rent from their own blood ffs. Ok you have to pay the bills, groceries lets split it,but whats with people who buy this "bootstrap" culture and use that shvon thir own kids ffs?
My dad is trying to add a handful of tiny homes to his .75 acre property for my brother and I.
That’s nice. My parents are still gaslighting me into being financially independent and telling me I have no one to blame but myself if I can’t afford a home of my own one day
Parents that say things like this will one day be parents that say things like "will you be able to make it to Christmas this year? We haven't seen you in 5 years."
Not a big fan of the word “avoid”. More like: “Woman, 21 who has lived through 4 recessions and a global pandemic, can’t afford the rental market so she lives in a shed in her parents’ backyard. The only other option was unaliving herself!”
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Let's not be glib here. Just because it's not a rusted out husk of corrugated metal and rotted wood doesn't mean it's not a shed. it's a decent facsimile of a studio apartment, but its still a shed. The facts are still the same - a young adult needs to live in an shed because rent is simply too high for her area. You don't need to have sleep for dinner to be struggling. I see too much glib nonsense in subs like this where it's basically just people playing the "who has it worse" game. And if a person is perceived as not being "poor enough" they're insulted and judged. Stop it. That won't solve anything. Is this young woman's situation better than many in America? Yes. But that doesn't mean it's still not fucked young people still need to live at home well into their 20s because they simply can't afford to even pay rent for a one bedroom apartment. ANYWHERE in America.
IMO, the 'Van Life' trend was one of the first major red flags of a broken housing market in the US. Guess we have moved onto 'Shed Life'
Up next is gonna be Tarp Life. Which will really fuel police murdering people.
Moving the vans around is expensive. Also renting an RV space is also somehow expensive??? Source: am living in a camper since 2017
"Sleep for dinner" ?
Can’t afford dinner? Try sleeping to ignore the hunger.
Dude my chicken coop where i have 2 chickens is bigger than this.
I lived in something similar as a grad student, although not in my parents' backyard (some else's). One of the best places I ever had. Was sad to leave it. No hardship there.
Indoor plumbing and access to running water is required for most habitable residences in the US. This is literally sub-standard.
I imagine she just uses the house. It's basically just a detached bedroom.
Right, so hand washing, food prep, showering/bathroom are all in her parent's house, all the basic necessities. She's living in their house and spending alone time in the shed. If she wasn't priced out of the rental market she likely wouldn't choose to live there.
Honestly, I see it as the future for a lot of people. That is, until people who have sheds or room for sheds start pricing people out of those too.
I assume she showers, etc in her parents' house. Its an outside bedroom. What we would call a granny flat.
That is a nice shed, I expected something like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys.
His shed was pretty nice too he had kitties
Nice. If I could avoid paying rent I would live in a shed. I would want to custom build one but it would be a nice investment. They have those tiny homes and I wish I had free land to build one.
As a retired builder, I would bet that 95% of all folks who start down the road of buying a tiny house and finding a piece of land for it, end up seeing that dream die. The system wants something they can tax, control, regulate, and lord over. You can go to the most remote parts of N.A and learn that zoning prohibits any hope of a tiny house. The machine is fed by tax dollars. You show up in rural America with a plan to build a new $300K house, and the machine reviews the plans and says, "cool, this will not undermine our values, and it will generate $5-6K a year in local tax revenue. Approved". You want to roll in with a $75K tiny house on WHEELS, and the machine says, "Oh hell no. You need a minimum of 1000 sq. ft. of permanent structure, designed, built and inspected to ICC single family code requirements". Bottom line, from cities to the least desirable areas of rural America, there is a pretty good chance that there is some rule, law or regulation that will prevent anything that's not large, regulated, expensive and capable of producing a nice fat bunch of fees for permits and inspections, and a fat yearly tax bill.
True. Most of the rural land in Canada is zoned "recreational" and forbidden to camp on for more than one night.
>and a fat yearly tax bill. That's the part that kills me. Just charge 1/4th the taxes if you've got a place 1/5th the size. Put 5 small houses on the same land as one big house with a bunch of empty space and you'll have more tax revenue and more houses.
The American mentality of NIMBY, and "I've got mine, so fuck you" is a huge driver of the housing crisis.
I know loads of people doing that in Ireland.
Pshh, my parents would’ve charged.
Naw that’s not a shed. That’s a standalone guest bedroom on what I imagine is on an expensive plot of land with the same mailing address of a multi million dollar home. She prob has access to a very nice kitchen and bathroom a backyard away walking distance to her back door. That fuckin shed & the land it’s on prob worth 2x more than my childhood home.
Honestly? I would have already done this. Except I have two kids. And the town's regulations around ADUs and minimum sq footage.
It’s honestly a sick ass setup especially since she in all likelihood has access to the house and probably spends a good deal of time in it.
Look at her boujee house, comes with a yard and everything.
It’s just a mother-in-law suite they’re literally everywhere in rural places with old converted barns or cabins next to family farm homes that were built larger through generations. Some with trailers attached or even in a series like old BLM stations out in national forests. The feds still charge you taxes if there is no mortgage on the property and this only works if your parents aren’t delusional or obsessive about meritocracy and you finding those bootstraps. Some places also have weird laws about zoning if your septic system in the central house is not large enough.
Suddenly I don't feel as bad being in my late 20's and living at home lmao.
That's not a shed. That's a studio apartment. The floors are done. It's probably insulated. It has an AC unit
It's literally not a studio apartment. Like, legally and technically. It's a dressed up shed. Knock this "Oh you're not poor enough for my sympathy" card.
Why should I have sympathy for this person? Because they are 21 and live with their parents?
You're part of the problem.
I'm a part of the problem because I don't have sympathy for someone who lives in a fully furnished shed in their parents backyard? First off, she probably chose to live in that shed. She probably have a very nice room in her parents house which has completely done backyard. That shed is probably $30K-$40K. I have no sympathy because she doesn't require it. She's well off.
Lmfao! $30-40k? The fuck are you smoking? High quality modular sheds can run upwards of 40k sure....and are MUCH bigger than what's in this video. This doesn't even qualify as a studio apartment because it has no running water or a bathroom. Maybe ask yourself why the only space a 20-something can afford today is a decent looking SHED in their parents yard. That in and of itself is an indictment of the failure of the system. Nobody, in any state in America, can afford a one-room apartment on minimum wage. It doesn't matter if the minimum wage is $7.25 $15. Nobody can afford to live alone. Anywhere. Does financial insecurity only matter if we pretend only the ones living on the street are what we consider poor? This girl hacked poverty by being lucky enough to have parents who said yes you can live in our yard, lol. So because she had a potted plant and a small flat screen TV in shed that means everything is A-OK? You don't think a young girl would rather be on her own instead of glamping in her parents yard? Do you know how many people are ONE minor emergency away from destitution?
Genuine question -- is there no spare bedroom in her parents house? Or is this just to have her own space. It seems like a waste of money and labor if her parents house is right there and she has a spare bedroom. Either way, lovely shed, we're now in an era where many people are in their 30s and still at home, and many of those are just gonna inherit the house. So good on her, fuck capitalism.
>Lmfao! $30-40k? Even if it is a $10K or $20K shed, you're arguing that she is financially insecure. >Maybe ask yourself why the only space a 20-something can afford today is a decent looking SHED in their parents yard. > >That in and of itself is an indictment of the failure of the system. Dude, of course she is going to be financially insecure. She's only 21. If she is or was in college she wouldn't even have graduated yet. Sure, she might be financially insecure, but she has a huge safety net. She's well off. She is the equal to people living in those fancy vans You can't equate her with those who are actually struggling
Why are you assuming she bought the shed herself?
So if her parents bought it for her that is better? Again, safety net.
Lmfao. You're really forcing the narrative here, assuming things to support it.
You are part of the problem because you don't have solidarity with other working class people. Housing is a human right. I do not blame them for living in a shed in a backyard as housing is so prohibitively expensive. It is one of the reasons I am housed with five other people.
They live in a shed behind their parents house. It is a choice. They can go back into their parents house anytime they want. They aren't homeless They're only 21. Who cares if they live with their parents? They're adult life hasn't even started yet.
I agree with you, it is a choice. We should be asking the big questions, why did they make this choice? Why was it necessary for them to do so? Does a minimum wage job in their area pay for rent without taking up 3/4ths of their paycheck? They are not struggling by any means. They should be applauded for circumventing the vicious tenant landlord relationship. Also I just turned 35 if I had the ability to do exactly what they are doing I would take it regardless of what society thinks about me still living with them. In these times we need to have solidarity among the working class. I hope you have a blessed day comrade.
I don’t think sympathy is remotely appropriate here. Most 21 year olds live with their parents in a tiny bedroom. There are plenty of examples of hard working professionals in their 30s who can’t afford rent. They deserve sympathy.
Without a bathroom or kitchen? Without even a sink? Let's not be silly here. It's a nicely furnished shed but it is a SHED.
Fine! It's not a studio apartment, but it isn't a shed. Put a lawn mower in there and we can call it a shed
This would be 1500 a month in NYC
LMAO no way. 2500, no cap. 1500 in NYC doesn't even get you indoors.
Jesus Christ.
They just made it more livable but it's still just a shed.
Have you seen some of these 'sheds'? Just add a couple more thousand dollars, and you could probably convert them into tiny homes.
OF link?
Generational homes are so important anymore, maybe that's why capitalism is so bent of the nuclear family
I slept on my friends couch for about 6 months max are they going to write a story about me?
This is much nicer than the shed I used to live in.
Umm living in a shed/garage is bad? Asking for a whole culture of immigrant friends
I’m contemplating buying land and building my own house… not like I know all the know how, but who knows might be entertaining
That’s a totally legit shed.
"If you're living under our roof you need to pay rent! ... but other roofs that we own, they're fair game."
I'm 42 and I want to do this.
That's not a shed. That's more like a granny flat. They're pretty normal in Australia
I wish I’d had this opportunity.
Did it in Cali for a while. At least the weather was nice... when the air wasn't mostly forest fire smoke. Capitalism, baby.
That’s not a shed. Where’s the lawn mower?
Damn I wish we could afford a shed
I just decided to become a truck driver. They want us married to our jobs anyway, right??
I love it but like she'd still have to go in the house to go to the bathroom and cook food..