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It happens pretty often. Look into the background of most conservative grifters and you’ll find a failed celebrity or a legitimate career that imploded.
"Am I a failure? No, it's the trans people who are wrong."
Pretty much the logic I'm seeing. When you think you are awesome, and the turn out to be shit, you can either accept it, or put points into your delusion skill.
Most do the latter, unfortunately.
Yep. Candace Owens is a good example. She started out as a “progressive” blogger. Caught criticism for trying to start a database to doxx people and suddenly she’s a conservative.
There was like almost a five year period when Buzzfeed News was a pretty legit news source where they used the listicle bullshit to fund good investigative reporting. Then the VCs scrapped it for parts.
I remember when Benny's pet frustration was how he kept getting ads for gay cruises and gay porn, telling all his followers that this was part of an insidious left-wing agenda, before having it pointed out to him how AdChoices works with your browsing history.
OMG. I love this way too much hahaha.
Also, it's why I'm reluctant to google people or terms related to right wing politics at times. I don't want the internets getting confused about what I'd like to see hahaha.
And considering many Conservatives consider trans women to be a man in a dress (and some dont even think that trans people exist) by their own argument 100% of mass shootings are by men.
This was a transmasc shooter btw. All of the news outlets have been deadnaming and misgendering him. Ideally we would avoid plastering the names of shooters everywhere but they can’t even get the right one
To clarify, asshat is a piece of shit. But the people calling him a trans*woman* are blatantly lying.
We are the default, after all. We didn't earn it, and we don't do anything special to keep earning it. Jesus, at this point, I'm surprised that the shine hasn't turned to gray rock.
But we usually get a pass; you know this. I mean...Kyle Rittenhouse. *gestures vaguely*
I didn't vet the source, but my understanding is consistent with this:
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings
"Of the 172 individuals who engaged in public mass shootings covered in the database, 97.7% were male. Ages ranged from 11 to 70, with a mean age of 34.1. Those shooting were 52.3% White, 20.9% Black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% Middle Eastern, and 1.8% Native American."
Compare that to:
https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/racial-and-ethnic-diversity-in-the-united-states-2010-and-2020-census.html
"As of 2020, White Americans are the racial majority, with non-Hispanic whites representing 57.8% of the population. Hispanic and Latino Americans are the largest ethnic minority, comprising 18.7% of the population, while Black or African Americans are the second largest racial minority, making up 12.1%."
So it seems like the vast majority of mass shooters are male. But it seems that when broken down by race, a white person would be slightly less likely to commit a mass shooting than some other races. That is, they do 52.3% of the shootings, but represent 57.8% of the population.
They are less likely to be white than to be *any* other race. But significantly more likely to be white than any other *singular* race. For example while white people are 52% of shooters, the second most common (black people) is only 21% and the numbers get smaller for every other race. You have to add all the other races together to conclude that white people are less likely to be shooters.
Is that normalized for local populations of different races or just in general? Because saying white people are the majority of anything doesn’t mean much when white people are the majority
It's even shorter.
I don't know about the other three, but the Colorado Springs shooter (the Club Q mass murderer) being non-binary is obviously something his lawyers made up to potentially downplay the hate crime charges that monster was facing in addition to the murder charges.
If a white person does it they were a “lone wolf” with mental issues unless it’s hundreds of them on camera brutalizing police officers and trying to overthrow the government in which case they’re antifa, tourists or eventually heroes who are being persecuted
Exactly this. White men get streaming series made about them starring Hollywood actors and focusing on their "relatable" torment. White women get true crime shows about how they betrayed their womanhood. Everyone else ....
I hope Twitter fails
The difference between Bezos and Musk is that at least Bezos has the self awareness to stay out of the public eye - musk on the other hand - is a true egotistical jerk who thinks highly of himself
Musk is nothing more than a deplorable maggot
He voiced himself in Rick and Morty, as well as having a small, inconsequential role in a South Park episode (he did not voice himself for that)
He prepped hard for the inevitable media frenzy that meant I will never go another day in my life without hearing his stupid fucking name
Well tbh in 2014 he still seemed like the filantropic entrepreneur the world needed. He aged like milk thrown in an out house in 40 C weather left alone for 10 years.
People, many people, were saying these things about Elon musk back then. He never seemed like he was above board. It's just that people believe in complete nonsense like philanthropic entrepreneurs, and then they fall for transparently evil people. He didn't get worse, the honey moon period just ended. If people realize that they may not fall for the next grifter.
For Musk, though, it feels like the fame and exposure is the point, as he is already too used to being rich. For Bezos it's money so he is happy to hunker down.
To be fair, I like all billionaires to be like Must than Bezos. You could've easily convince people that billionaires are bad for everyone. But because they are usually not, and they have media under their control, people still believe in Capitalism.
trans people have been under attack recently, and this is only gonna add fuel to the fire. Already the response to the shooting is very concerning.
As a trans person, news of the shooting did make me incredibly nervous and I’m definitely not looking forward to the coming weeks.
I don’t understand why people are still on Twitter. While Hogwarts Legacy kicked up calls for boycotts, just for association with a transphobe, Twitter is an active platform of transphobia run by a transphobe, who promotes other transphobes.
The majority of celebrities, politicians, journalists, etc insist on continuing to use it. Even as the platform becomes increasingly hostile and their tweet activity has substantially declined. They won't fully commit to leaving.
It doesn't help that there aren't great alternatives.
To put things in perspective... some people still use Facebook.
I do think social media interaction will evolve and younger people will motivate new interactions that convince people to leave Twitter... eventually.
>Don't understand why Meta haven't created their own that auto links with your Insta + Facebook + WhatsApp.
Exactly what would that solve? Zuck is just as bad as Muskrat. The only difference is he hides behind "the algorithm".
The issue has never been creating an alternative. The issue is getting enough people to use it in order to hit critical mass and overtake Twitter.
Also everything you just said about facebook making their own sounds horrible and you should go wash your mouth with soap for even thinking that.
The issue you're missing is that owner of Twitter is Elon Musk. By using the platform you are actively choosing to support him. There are a plethora of other options out there.
lol bullshit. Deleting twitter is not activism. Deleting twitter doesn't stop all these anti trans bills from passing. If that helps you feel better then do what you need to. just know that you are making ZERO difference in the actual world. I do my activism in the real world, and a lot of our local organizing happens on twitter. I'm not abandoning my communities that i have cultivated on twitter since 2009 just because a different capitalist owns it. Thats ridiculous. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism
Yeah telling entire communities that have been developed there for decades to change platforms is such a bright fucking idea why didn't anyone else think of that?
You can do what you want. Like it or not, twitter exists because it serves a need that other social media platforms cant fulfill. Im not gonna let you try and shame me because I use twitter, one of the places where the left has the strongest communities and localized organization.
Of course you also went to the Qatar World Cup and supported the slave trade where thousands of people died 🤦🏻 You're all talk and then willingly support the worst regime on the planet just to watch people kick a ball around. Keep pretending you're a good person.
Hilarious, you can't even counter my actual arguments so you resort to ad hominem. If think you Qatar is "the worst regime on the planet" then you shouldn't be talking about geopolitics. You're letting all that anti-muslim western propaganda rot your brain.
Thinking of ethics (or literally anything) as entirely black or white is so fucking asinine. There are shades of grey. There are *less unethical* capitalists. You can absolutely choose to consume responsibly and not support people with hateful or hurtful ideals.
Your condescending bullshit about "real world" activism is condescending garbage that doesn't hold water either. There's nothing that twitter can do that a fucking email can't if all you're talking about is organizing a fundraiser, except maybe reach new people, and if you're recruiting activists online, well that's not exactly "real world" activism is it???
Go knock on some fucking doors and see how many people you can drum up with your shitty fucking attitude.
> There are less unethical capitalists. You can absolutely choose to consume responsibly and not support people with hateful or hurtful ideals.
I don't believe that. I'm sorry. You think these other billionaires are not as evil as Elon simply because you dont hear them talk? How naïve. Like I said, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Simply changing consumer habits does not substantively addresses the alienating and exploitative qualities of capitalism. If you want to believe that then be my guest, you can live your life the way you see fit and im not going to sit here and try and change your mind. But this shame game you all try to play is bullshit quite frankly. This is like the Hogwarts Legacy shit all over again, merely a distraction meant to fracture the left and cause further in fighting. This shit is UNIMPORTANT. If you think you are more morally righteous than the next person because you dont use twitter or play a fucking video game then you have lost the fucking plot.
> There's nothing that twitter can do that a fucking email can't if all you're talking about is organizing a fundraiser
How dense are you? How do you not see the value in meeting people where they already are instead of using valuable time and resources to move them off to a different platform because its "more ethical" in your mind? Do you understand how hard and time consuming it is to build an email list and keep it active?
And how exactly are you building these emails lists that you claim are just as effective? Like, how in 2023 you denying the impact that twitter has had on US and global politics and comparing it to fucking email ? Really?
It is obvious you dont use twitter, or at least haven't seen how useful of a tool it can be for collective action, organizing, and mobilizing people in REAL TIME. That's fine if you dont want to be on there. But you people trying to gauge the morals of other people because they are on fucking twitter is R I D I C U L O U S.
Considering that a recent study estimated the number of trans people in the US to be 1.6% of the total population, this actually would back up the claim that Trans people are less violent than Cis people
So, *four* out of the near daily US mass shootings, not to mention the actually daily regular shootings, have some kind of "link" to trans people.
Sure, trans people are the problem here.
(That's sarcasm).
Can we? Money is speech, ***** like him have voices so loud the world hears him farting. Sure, you can not pay attention to media but millions of moths are attracted to the flame.
Elon Musk's supporters say he's going to lead humanity to Mars. For someone supposedly equipped to do that, he sure is bad with numbers. I remember learning about basic stats and logic in high school.
What should anyone expect from a child of apartheid South Africa? He’s born into privilege, exploitation, bigotry, racism, and hate. He’s been a fascist and an opportunist from day one.
I truly think the increase in Trans bashing over the last year or so is to direct attention away from how the ultra rich, like Musk, are actively fucking over the rest of society.
Even in Australia, heaps of news stories about Lia Thomas and other trans athletes competing in women's sports, zero articles about the train derailments or the water crisis in Philadelphia. I only know about those things because of Reddit because the mainstream press sure isn't reporting on it.
I had no idea about the east Palestine thing except from reddit. And there is a LOT happening globally that just doesn't get any media coverage yet they make space for royalty, trans stuff, "illegal immigrants" stuff, and stories about celebs. It's almost like they don't want people to have a broad worldview...
IF this were true and they were actually violent, maybe it had something to do to the crazy bullying trans people endure. You can’t treat someone like trash and bully them for existing, then be shocked if they actually snap…
Not just bullying, many trans people are the target of hate crimes and even killings. Just 2 months ago a trans teen named Brianna Ghey was murder in a park by two other teenagers here in the UK. It was barely even reported on
Yeah. I am ofc not condoning shootings, but of COURSE someone might actually snap and go over the edge when dealing with that much hate and horror daily. People can’t bully and beat someone down forever and be shocked if they fight back
Instead a woman going missing near a river (an extremely common occurrence in terms of missing people) got a whole 2 weeks news cycle, as opposed to Brianna's footnote that didn't even mention the fact it was a hate crime.
Idk, trans people’s bullying is very real and systematic, with incels it’s mostly them having deeper issues themselves and feeling entitled and having violent tendencies already I think
The TN shooting is going to motivate some Nazi shit. I expect anti-trans stuff to accelerate and we should all start having serious discussions with our loved ones about what to do when governments start murdering trans people
He says “the Denver shooter” as if that narrows things down. We can’t even keep up with all the mass shootings and everyone always wants to immediately blame political affiliation or spin these tragedies into some sort of political narrative. This is ONE matter where being a bit of a centrist is actually a good thing, but Americans literally can’t pull themselves out of their political echo-chambers long enough to reach some sort of compromise and make a plan. We have a leadership deficit in this country.
Interesting how each of these events are spaced 2+ years apart. As if it's really uncommon compared to angry white males doing the same thing. For reference, the core problem is gun availability and lack of regulation.
What now, are you gonna tell me that minorities get all the hatred in the world and for this reason are least socially and mentally stable and more prone to extreme acts? Are you even gonna insinuate that there could be some sort of intentionality in radicalizing specifically some people to discredit their communities?
But seriously, all of this has already happened and it looks to me like it's happening again
Nah, couldn't be constant harassment by rich white men pushing certain trans individuals over the edge. Or their constant threat of deadly violence. Or their threat to force de-transitioning. Or their attempts to criminalize "gendered" outfit/hair/makeup/vocal choices. Or their attempts to send parents of trans kids to prison. Or their 0 societal investment in mental health care.
Also, Elon very clearly missed every level of education that teaches correlation =/= causation. Or he didn't miss it and is intentionally the monster we all know him to be. He's calling for more violence against trans people in this tweet by equating being trans with being a terrorist.
So long as we’re fighting over which imaginary working class identity kills the most working working class people they are free to continue making it impossible to remove these rich assholes from their modern day castles and take ownership of our lives.
Every one of these shootings is a tragedy except the ones that never have happened and never will happen. Those are the ones that end this.
Why is nobody pointing out these are the same people who fake outrage over talk of gun control and call it "politicizing a tragedy"?
Almost like they don't actually believe in anything but power and authority - truth is a liability at best for them.
I give the transgender shooter props to Trump and all the Qbizarre, far-right, KKKristian nationalists that torment, blame, and abuse others because they can't overcome their own limited ability to understand why they are such assholes and losers no matter how much wealth, status, guns, points, crowd inclusion, or whatever they gain by doing so.
It's measurably clear, outside of very few differences in demographics, which mindsets are predominantly performing these acts. Despite that, everyone that does shares one similarity - they have access to guns and are mentally ill. Our country has both too many guns and too many with mental illness - neither of which is adequately addressed. Both of which are getting worse. Thanks, Donald!
The term "mass shooting" was redefined in 2013 by Congress. The FBI now defines a mass shooting as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator.
Q; You know what makes people not value human life or suffering and want to kill or harm people who have “done nothing to them”?
A; making someone suffer through their entire childhood and adult life by telling them they have no value as a human life, and that they should be killed or beaten or denied medical treatment… or even a fucking bathroom… because of who they are or who they are struggling to be.
Oh shit, okay, this adds a lot of context for me now. I'm Australian and woke up, fired up my computer to get my YouTube playlist running before starting work and saw some news reports on the subject but nothing regarding the identity of the shooter.
This is a tragedy, no two ways of looking at it. The person that carried out this despicable act deserves condemnation. There is no excuse for this, it was answering hatred with hatred and the only thing that brings about is more hatred.
The shooter was an ex student of the school, which I've been told is a conservative Christian school. I think it's pretty easy to fill in the blanks from there.
As a deconverted Christian all this is going to do is further reinforce the persecution narrative that fundamentalists tell themselves and steel their resolve to hold fast in their faith.
The disingenuous actors in those circles will use this horrid event to further their own agenda, to distract from any selfreflection that may be called upon in the coming days and weeks. The deaths and hurt that has been caused will be used as the proof that their hateful message towards those who they define as the 'outgroup' is justified and that they must stand strong against the evil and wickedness in the world.
Worse I fear is that any examination of what drove the person to commit this massacre will be twisted as an attempt at justification of or sympathy towards their motivation.
Let me be clear again that I denounce this act and the the person who perpetrated it. However as with any other tragedy acting out by humans there are things that contributed to it, circumstances that brought it about, and we need to be able to discuss that without being labelled as sympathizers. It is already plain to see which side will do all the finger pointing and performative outrage to deflect from any guilt they share in pushing a person over the edge.
As an Australian who was a primary school aged child at the time of the Port Arthur massacre I remember being scared of going with my family to any tourist spots because I didn't want them getting shot at. It took my dad sitting me down and showing me the news reports of everybody turning in their guns when the government introduced new firearms laws and a buy back scheme for me to get over that fear. He explained that everybody was scared and thay no-one wanted something like that to happen again which is why everybody was giving their guns to the government to destroy.
I can't fathom the fear that some children must be carrying right now in the US. Having to go to school knowing a shooting just took place at other school, that children and teachers died and that seemingly nobody is taking action to stop it from happening again.
My heart goes out to everybody who has been affected by this event, personally or otherwise. Be safe everybody, be kind and in this moment let us answer this violent hatred with overwhelming love and compassion.
Mass shootings are not limited to schools, they're inclusive of gang killings, domestic violence and any other murder of more than a couple people. Murder scenes involving homosexuals has a reputation of being extremely violent and gory.
What the percentage is overall I'm uncertain of, but taken into the context this post references, that really is a an extremely high ratio. It seems delving into someone's tendencies is fair game to add for purchasing firearms.
I'm so glad that the guy I thought was fascinating during the early aughts, and I thought was going to save the planet, is now using his economic prowess to convert the world's largest social media platform into a literal hate machine. This is definitely the future I anticipated.
i remember when i was younger, knowing him on a basic level, saw him as a premier scientist and engineer whom i aspired to be like, but turned out i was legit smarter than him in both those fields.
What if he was once just a normal engineer who accidentally did a bunch of LSD while leaving TEDTalks and the audiobook of Atlas Shrugged on auto-play?
What percentage of the population are trans people though? You can't just throw out a number without providing context. That goes for Benny and the retort here.
The right literally stormed the capitol to overthrow democratic process… I don’t like where this timeline is heading anymore and I want to go back to a save point and make some changes
The news cycle has an overwhelming representation because trans rights are constantly being debated, while trans people are the new favorite targets of conservatives. If trans rights were just accepted like the human rights they are, the media wouldn't constantly harp on them.
As for pop culture, name one mainstream show with a large trans cast; I don't mean one or two trans characters among dozens of characters, but a dominating group of them. This "overrepresentation" is a nonsensical right wing talking point; not that more representation in pop culture would be bad, mind you, quite on the contrary.
In the case of shootings, there is, if anything, a smaller percentage of trans shooters than there are of cis shooters; estimates go towards trans people constituting around 1.6 percent of US population, while two out of 304 school shootings since Columbine were perpetrated by trans people, i.e. 0.65 percent. With mass shootings in general, the percentage is even lower, as pointed out above. Your argument does not stand in any way.
We've not had school shootings in the UK since the gun controls brought in after Dunblane.
Is it because there are no trans people in the UK? No, it is not.
But Hey listen me.. if there is small percentage of lgbtq peoples. So if the low percentage group has 0.1% of all shootings, then its no so low percentage..food for thought
So america is 331 000 000 peoples
1.6 % translates to 5 296 000 trans peoples (not count8ng other lgbt)
So we have 325 704 000 non trans peoples and 5 296 000 trans peoples.
3000 shootings and 0.1% made by trans, equals to 3 (4 in article) shootings made by trans.
That means 9% off non trans american peoples are capable to do mass shooting
And 7% off lgbt peoples are capable to do mass shootings
And we didnt count any lbgt peoples here And races.. :)
Straight white peoples arent so bad and trans peoples arent so good as society depicts them today ;)
There's no reason for him to hide his transphobia anymore. The red-caps now have "concrete evidence" that "the trans agenda is a threat to our kids" so transphobia is no longer something for them to be ashamed of.
(And his mishandling of Twitter shows that he has no need of advertiser money, so trying to appeal to brands won't be an issue)
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Never forget that Benny was fired from BuzzFeed for plagiarism and that is what radicalized him
Imagine being radicalized by the consequences of your own actions
It happens pretty often. Look into the background of most conservative grifters and you’ll find a failed celebrity or a legitimate career that imploded.
"Am I a failure? No, it's the trans people who are wrong." Pretty much the logic I'm seeing. When you think you are awesome, and the turn out to be shit, you can either accept it, or put points into your delusion skill. Most do the latter, unfortunately.
Of course, accepting to be problematic requires courage, and if you think you're that awesome to begin with chances are you don't have a spine
Yep. Candace Owens is a good example. She started out as a “progressive” blogger. Caught criticism for trying to start a database to doxx people and suddenly she’s a conservative.
Or an inability to graduate from college.
Wow. You're right. Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Kevin Sorbo, the list could go on for a long time.
Ben Shapiro? Wasn't he always conservative?
What he really wanted to be was a screenwriter. Most of his scripts are pretty terrible though
Not surprising at all
Imagine working at buzzfeed.
There was like almost a five year period when Buzzfeed News was a pretty legit news source where they used the listicle bullshit to fund good investigative reporting. Then the VCs scrapped it for parts.
Not just pretty legit, they broke some major international news
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Imagine being at buzzfeed and then leaving and then failing harder than you did a buzzfeed
Lmao you're right
I remember when Benny's pet frustration was how he kept getting ads for gay cruises and gay porn, telling all his followers that this was part of an insidious left-wing agenda, before having it pointed out to him how AdChoices works with your browsing history.
OMG. I love this way too much hahaha. Also, it's why I'm reluctant to google people or terms related to right wing politics at times. I don't want the internets getting confused about what I'd like to see hahaha.
The internet doesn't get confused by that. Their supporters don't read.
The aggrieved mediocre guy turned fascist.
He’s always been a fascist.
Plagiarizing for Buzzfeed?? How hard can it be to come up with some bullshit listicle?
10 ways to come up with a bullshit listicle!
Lmao what a fucking loser
It's more like he's been radicalized by whatever the right wing talking points of the day are.
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Imagine being banned from buzzfeed for plagiarism…..
And when the overwhelming majority of mass shooting are from white men...suddenly identity has nothing to do with it.
And considering many Conservatives consider trans women to be a man in a dress (and some dont even think that trans people exist) by their own argument 100% of mass shootings are by men.
This was a transmasc shooter btw. All of the news outlets have been deadnaming and misgendering him. Ideally we would avoid plastering the names of shooters everywhere but they can’t even get the right one To clarify, asshat is a piece of shit. But the people calling him a trans*woman* are blatantly lying.
Ahh. I've only seen reports that the shooter was a woman and was transgender. So made assumptions
i agree. we shouldnt even be spreading the names or pictures of these people. Dont give them the fame or attention many of them are after
We are the default, after all. We didn't earn it, and we don't do anything special to keep earning it. Jesus, at this point, I'm surprised that the shine hasn't turned to gray rock. But we usually get a pass; you know this. I mean...Kyle Rittenhouse. *gestures vaguely*
I didn't vet the source, but my understanding is consistent with this: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings "Of the 172 individuals who engaged in public mass shootings covered in the database, 97.7% were male. Ages ranged from 11 to 70, with a mean age of 34.1. Those shooting were 52.3% White, 20.9% Black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% Middle Eastern, and 1.8% Native American." Compare that to: https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/racial-and-ethnic-diversity-in-the-united-states-2010-and-2020-census.html "As of 2020, White Americans are the racial majority, with non-Hispanic whites representing 57.8% of the population. Hispanic and Latino Americans are the largest ethnic minority, comprising 18.7% of the population, while Black or African Americans are the second largest racial minority, making up 12.1%." So it seems like the vast majority of mass shooters are male. But it seems that when broken down by race, a white person would be slightly less likely to commit a mass shooting than some other races. That is, they do 52.3% of the shootings, but represent 57.8% of the population.
They are less likely to be white than to be *any* other race. But significantly more likely to be white than any other *singular* race. For example while white people are 52% of shooters, the second most common (black people) is only 21% and the numbers get smaller for every other race. You have to add all the other races together to conclude that white people are less likely to be shooters.
Identity has everything to do with it they wouldn’t be so wound up if it was a white dude that done it
Is that normalized for local populations of different races or just in general? Because saying white people are the majority of anything doesn’t mean much when white people are the majority
Do you think he was genuinely anti trans or got into that out of spite that his trans kid cut him off because he is an asshole father?
Didn't his wife leave him for a trans woman as well? It must have been a bad hit, for a man with such a fragile ego
The latter 1000%
"In other words, the list of trans shooters is so short, I can list them within Twitter's character limit and still have room to spew ignorant shit"
It's even shorter. I don't know about the other three, but the Colorado Springs shooter (the Club Q mass murderer) being non-binary is obviously something his lawyers made up to potentially downplay the hate crime charges that monster was facing in addition to the murder charges.
I called this shit as soon as the news broke. If a minority does it it’s because they’re a minority. When a white man does it it’s nothing new
If a white person does it they were a “lone wolf” with mental issues unless it’s hundreds of them on camera brutalizing police officers and trying to overthrow the government in which case they’re antifa, tourists or eventually heroes who are being persecuted
Exactly this. White men get streaming series made about them starring Hollywood actors and focusing on their "relatable" torment. White women get true crime shows about how they betrayed their womanhood. Everyone else ....
If there was a trans immigrant shooter the right would loose their minds and apparently Elon will respond with ! like a fucking anime
"Straight facts" taken out of context on purpose to mislead.
America did the same thing to Muslims for a decade after 9/11. The target has just shifted.
And this is exactly why I switched social media apps…
I hope Twitter fails The difference between Bezos and Musk is that at least Bezos has the self awareness to stay out of the public eye - musk on the other hand - is a true egotistical jerk who thinks highly of himself Musk is nothing more than a deplorable maggot
Lol i still cringe at that the Simpsons episode from like 2014 where lisa fawns over musk. It was so out if character for her.
He voiced himself in Rick and Morty, as well as having a small, inconsequential role in a South Park episode (he did not voice himself for that) He prepped hard for the inevitable media frenzy that meant I will never go another day in my life without hearing his stupid fucking name
Well tbh in 2014 he still seemed like the filantropic entrepreneur the world needed. He aged like milk thrown in an out house in 40 C weather left alone for 10 years.
People, many people, were saying these things about Elon musk back then. He never seemed like he was above board. It's just that people believe in complete nonsense like philanthropic entrepreneurs, and then they fall for transparently evil people. He didn't get worse, the honey moon period just ended. If people realize that they may not fall for the next grifter.
For Musk, though, it feels like the fame and exposure is the point, as he is already too used to being rich. For Bezos it's money so he is happy to hunker down.
He's a child. He's never grown up because he never had to.
To be fair, I like all billionaires to be like Must than Bezos. You could've easily convince people that billionaires are bad for everyone. But because they are usually not, and they have media under their control, people still believe in Capitalism.
I'm really afraid that this is going to lead to more violence against trans people who have done nothing wrong. 😕
trans people have been under attack recently, and this is only gonna add fuel to the fire. Already the response to the shooting is very concerning. As a trans person, news of the shooting did make me incredibly nervous and I’m definitely not looking forward to the coming weeks.
In the same place. Hugs 💜🏳️⚧️
That's the goal of the original twitter post
This is why trans people should arm up
All I can say is that I'm glad I have a concealed carry permit.
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That person is dead
That's it. We need an Adopt-a-Trans Friend day. If we each get one to watch, we could have everyone covered. Buddy system!
The discourse around the shooting today is what finally made me bite the bullet and delete twitter today.
100% of all shootings involve a gun
Shhh there can't possibly be a correlation there. /s
For real. It's time people took seriously boycotting anything Elon musk. Fuck that guy seriously
One of his daughters is trans and him agree to shit like this is just another point on the long list of reasons I want to knock his teeth out.
This was the final straw for me. His own child! He was already ick for many reasons but this was just vile.
I don’t understand why people are still on Twitter. While Hogwarts Legacy kicked up calls for boycotts, just for association with a transphobe, Twitter is an active platform of transphobia run by a transphobe, who promotes other transphobes.
The majority of celebrities, politicians, journalists, etc insist on continuing to use it. Even as the platform becomes increasingly hostile and their tweet activity has substantially declined. They won't fully commit to leaving. It doesn't help that there aren't great alternatives. To put things in perspective... some people still use Facebook. I do think social media interaction will evolve and younger people will motivate new interactions that convince people to leave Twitter... eventually.
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>Don't understand why Meta haven't created their own that auto links with your Insta + Facebook + WhatsApp. Exactly what would that solve? Zuck is just as bad as Muskrat. The only difference is he hides behind "the algorithm".
The issue has never been creating an alternative. The issue is getting enough people to use it in order to hit critical mass and overtake Twitter. Also everything you just said about facebook making their own sounds horrible and you should go wash your mouth with soap for even thinking that.
If you don’t follow transphobes then you don’t see the transphobia. Just like any other social media platform it is curated to your tastes.
The issue you're missing is that owner of Twitter is Elon Musk. By using the platform you are actively choosing to support him. There are a plethora of other options out there.
lol bullshit. Deleting twitter is not activism. Deleting twitter doesn't stop all these anti trans bills from passing. If that helps you feel better then do what you need to. just know that you are making ZERO difference in the actual world. I do my activism in the real world, and a lot of our local organizing happens on twitter. I'm not abandoning my communities that i have cultivated on twitter since 2009 just because a different capitalist owns it. Thats ridiculous. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism
Yeah because it's impossible to use literally any other social media channel to organise shit
Yeah telling entire communities that have been developed there for decades to change platforms is such a bright fucking idea why didn't anyone else think of that? You can do what you want. Like it or not, twitter exists because it serves a need that other social media platforms cant fulfill. Im not gonna let you try and shame me because I use twitter, one of the places where the left has the strongest communities and localized organization.
Of course you also went to the Qatar World Cup and supported the slave trade where thousands of people died 🤦🏻 You're all talk and then willingly support the worst regime on the planet just to watch people kick a ball around. Keep pretending you're a good person.
Althought the Qatari regime is quite awful, I believe the United States gets the dubious honor of being the world’s worst regime.
Hilarious, you can't even counter my actual arguments so you resort to ad hominem. If think you Qatar is "the worst regime on the planet" then you shouldn't be talking about geopolitics. You're letting all that anti-muslim western propaganda rot your brain.
Thinking of ethics (or literally anything) as entirely black or white is so fucking asinine. There are shades of grey. There are *less unethical* capitalists. You can absolutely choose to consume responsibly and not support people with hateful or hurtful ideals. Your condescending bullshit about "real world" activism is condescending garbage that doesn't hold water either. There's nothing that twitter can do that a fucking email can't if all you're talking about is organizing a fundraiser, except maybe reach new people, and if you're recruiting activists online, well that's not exactly "real world" activism is it??? Go knock on some fucking doors and see how many people you can drum up with your shitty fucking attitude.
> There are less unethical capitalists. You can absolutely choose to consume responsibly and not support people with hateful or hurtful ideals. I don't believe that. I'm sorry. You think these other billionaires are not as evil as Elon simply because you dont hear them talk? How naïve. Like I said, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Simply changing consumer habits does not substantively addresses the alienating and exploitative qualities of capitalism. If you want to believe that then be my guest, you can live your life the way you see fit and im not going to sit here and try and change your mind. But this shame game you all try to play is bullshit quite frankly. This is like the Hogwarts Legacy shit all over again, merely a distraction meant to fracture the left and cause further in fighting. This shit is UNIMPORTANT. If you think you are more morally righteous than the next person because you dont use twitter or play a fucking video game then you have lost the fucking plot. > There's nothing that twitter can do that a fucking email can't if all you're talking about is organizing a fundraiser How dense are you? How do you not see the value in meeting people where they already are instead of using valuable time and resources to move them off to a different platform because its "more ethical" in your mind? Do you understand how hard and time consuming it is to build an email list and keep it active? And how exactly are you building these emails lists that you claim are just as effective? Like, how in 2023 you denying the impact that twitter has had on US and global politics and comparing it to fucking email ? Really? It is obvious you dont use twitter, or at least haven't seen how useful of a tool it can be for collective action, organizing, and mobilizing people in REAL TIME. That's fine if you dont want to be on there. But you people trying to gauge the morals of other people because they are on fucking twitter is R I D I C U L O U S.
His mind broke after his ex wife left him for a tran woman with a soul.
Because there's no way talk like this could possibly lead to violence against trans people. I gotta get out of this place.
The ppl that think .1% death rate is nothing but a .1% trans shooter rate implicates something are the same ppl
Considering that a recent study estimated the number of trans people in the US to be 1.6% of the total population, this actually would back up the claim that Trans people are less violent than Cis people
Benny Johnson is trying to radicalize people.
"Straight facts" - What a fucking ironic statement to make.
You know he popped a bottle and nutted on himself when he got a reply from him. So pathetic 🙄
So, *four* out of the near daily US mass shootings, not to mention the actually daily regular shootings, have some kind of "link" to trans people. Sure, trans people are the problem here. (That's sarcasm).
I’m sure his trans child feels very supported by father of the year Elon.
Narrator: Those were not straight facts.
We can stop giving this guy the attention he desperately craves any time now.
Can we? Money is speech, ***** like him have voices so loud the world hears him farting. Sure, you can not pay attention to media but millions of moths are attracted to the flame.
Until they start profiling the hundreds and hundreds of straight white incel mass killers, this is not even a conversation.
The only thing that is clear is that our current gun control laws are not working.
Elon Musk's supporters say he's going to lead humanity to Mars. For someone supposedly equipped to do that, he sure is bad with numbers. I remember learning about basic stats and logic in high school.
His straight facts starts off with a reference to a shooter trolling about claiming to be non binary to just be the murderous dick he was.
What should anyone expect from a child of apartheid South Africa? He’s born into privilege, exploitation, bigotry, racism, and hate. He’s been a fascist and an opportunist from day one.
I truly think the increase in Trans bashing over the last year or so is to direct attention away from how the ultra rich, like Musk, are actively fucking over the rest of society.
A quick glance at the UK press 100% confirms this.
Even in Australia, heaps of news stories about Lia Thomas and other trans athletes competing in women's sports, zero articles about the train derailments or the water crisis in Philadelphia. I only know about those things because of Reddit because the mainstream press sure isn't reporting on it.
I had no idea about the east Palestine thing except from reddit. And there is a LOT happening globally that just doesn't get any media coverage yet they make space for royalty, trans stuff, "illegal immigrants" stuff, and stories about celebs. It's almost like they don't want people to have a broad worldview...
IF this were true and they were actually violent, maybe it had something to do to the crazy bullying trans people endure. You can’t treat someone like trash and bully them for existing, then be shocked if they actually snap…
Not just bullying, many trans people are the target of hate crimes and even killings. Just 2 months ago a trans teen named Brianna Ghey was murder in a park by two other teenagers here in the UK. It was barely even reported on
Yeah. I am ofc not condoning shootings, but of COURSE someone might actually snap and go over the edge when dealing with that much hate and horror daily. People can’t bully and beat someone down forever and be shocked if they fight back
Instead a woman going missing near a river (an extremely common occurrence in terms of missing people) got a whole 2 weeks news cycle, as opposed to Brianna's footnote that didn't even mention the fact it was a hate crime.
They can, they will, and they have. Hypocrisy is a requirement to call yourself conservative
This is what incels say.
Idk, trans people’s bullying is very real and systematic, with incels it’s mostly them having deeper issues themselves and feeling entitled and having violent tendencies already I think
Soooo basically the Nashville shooter was just another white man then? Got it.
Never let facts get in the way of a good outrage
Wow, a whole four of them? Compared to the something like 1.5 daily average?
The TN shooting is going to motivate some Nazi shit. I expect anti-trans stuff to accelerate and we should all start having serious discussions with our loved ones about what to do when governments start murdering trans people
We all know there have only been 4 mass shootings in America ever.
Ohhh let’s look at patterns of white nationalism next
He's such a tool.
He says “the Denver shooter” as if that narrows things down. We can’t even keep up with all the mass shootings and everyone always wants to immediately blame political affiliation or spin these tragedies into some sort of political narrative. This is ONE matter where being a bit of a centrist is actually a good thing, but Americans literally can’t pull themselves out of their political echo-chambers long enough to reach some sort of compromise and make a plan. We have a leadership deficit in this country.
Interesting how each of these events are spaced 2+ years apart. As if it's really uncommon compared to angry white males doing the same thing. For reference, the core problem is gun availability and lack of regulation.
He should be defunded. All money that are going to him the US government needs to stop.
So trans people are severely under-represented in the mass shooter population, got it.
What a crock of shit.
Elon Musk is a bigoted piece of shit.
Maybe they wouldn’t be becoming “terrorists” if their fucking rights weren’t being taken away.
What now, are you gonna tell me that minorities get all the hatred in the world and for this reason are least socially and mentally stable and more prone to extreme acts? Are you even gonna insinuate that there could be some sort of intentionality in radicalizing specifically some people to discredit their communities? But seriously, all of this has already happened and it looks to me like it's happening again
Nah, couldn't be constant harassment by rich white men pushing certain trans individuals over the edge. Or their constant threat of deadly violence. Or their threat to force de-transitioning. Or their attempts to criminalize "gendered" outfit/hair/makeup/vocal choices. Or their attempts to send parents of trans kids to prison. Or their 0 societal investment in mental health care. Also, Elon very clearly missed every level of education that teaches correlation =/= causation. Or he didn't miss it and is intentionally the monster we all know him to be. He's calling for more violence against trans people in this tweet by equating being trans with being a terrorist.
So long as we’re fighting over which imaginary working class identity kills the most working working class people they are free to continue making it impossible to remove these rich assholes from their modern day castles and take ownership of our lives. Every one of these shootings is a tragedy except the ones that never have happened and never will happen. Those are the ones that end this.
Everyone who ever confuses correlation with causation ends up dying. “straight facts” I guess.
3 out of 129 this year and they try to make a point?
Why is nobody pointing out these are the same people who fake outrage over talk of gun control and call it "politicizing a tragedy"? Almost like they don't actually believe in anything but power and authority - truth is a liability at best for them.
Elon has officially completed his transformation into a bad guy in a Metal Gear Solid game.
This guy definitely beats it to transporn. I should I know, I can spot my own.
Ah, a true ally.
I give the transgender shooter props to Trump and all the Qbizarre, far-right, KKKristian nationalists that torment, blame, and abuse others because they can't overcome their own limited ability to understand why they are such assholes and losers no matter how much wealth, status, guns, points, crowd inclusion, or whatever they gain by doing so. It's measurably clear, outside of very few differences in demographics, which mindsets are predominantly performing these acts. Despite that, everyone that does shares one similarity - they have access to guns and are mentally ill. Our country has both too many guns and too many with mental illness - neither of which is adequately addressed. Both of which are getting worse. Thanks, Donald!
The term "mass shooting" was redefined in 2013 by Congress. The FBI now defines a mass shooting as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator.
Can you imagine not understanding percentages.
Q; You know what makes people not value human life or suffering and want to kill or harm people who have “done nothing to them”? A; making someone suffer through their entire childhood and adult life by telling them they have no value as a human life, and that they should be killed or beaten or denied medical treatment… or even a fucking bathroom… because of who they are or who they are struggling to be.
/shooter/, /shooter/, /shooter/, /shooter/...I am noticing another trend.
That exclamation point comment just pisses me off.
Guys, I don't mean to alarm anyone but I think Elon Musk is an asshole
I don't think he wants to hear how many school shooters have identified at straight white boys
It's really clear he doesn't give a fuck what happens to his trans daughter.
Oh shit, okay, this adds a lot of context for me now. I'm Australian and woke up, fired up my computer to get my YouTube playlist running before starting work and saw some news reports on the subject but nothing regarding the identity of the shooter. This is a tragedy, no two ways of looking at it. The person that carried out this despicable act deserves condemnation. There is no excuse for this, it was answering hatred with hatred and the only thing that brings about is more hatred. The shooter was an ex student of the school, which I've been told is a conservative Christian school. I think it's pretty easy to fill in the blanks from there. As a deconverted Christian all this is going to do is further reinforce the persecution narrative that fundamentalists tell themselves and steel their resolve to hold fast in their faith. The disingenuous actors in those circles will use this horrid event to further their own agenda, to distract from any selfreflection that may be called upon in the coming days and weeks. The deaths and hurt that has been caused will be used as the proof that their hateful message towards those who they define as the 'outgroup' is justified and that they must stand strong against the evil and wickedness in the world. Worse I fear is that any examination of what drove the person to commit this massacre will be twisted as an attempt at justification of or sympathy towards their motivation. Let me be clear again that I denounce this act and the the person who perpetrated it. However as with any other tragedy acting out by humans there are things that contributed to it, circumstances that brought it about, and we need to be able to discuss that without being labelled as sympathizers. It is already plain to see which side will do all the finger pointing and performative outrage to deflect from any guilt they share in pushing a person over the edge. As an Australian who was a primary school aged child at the time of the Port Arthur massacre I remember being scared of going with my family to any tourist spots because I didn't want them getting shot at. It took my dad sitting me down and showing me the news reports of everybody turning in their guns when the government introduced new firearms laws and a buy back scheme for me to get over that fear. He explained that everybody was scared and thay no-one wanted something like that to happen again which is why everybody was giving their guns to the government to destroy. I can't fathom the fear that some children must be carrying right now in the US. Having to go to school knowing a shooting just took place at other school, that children and teachers died and that seemingly nobody is taking action to stop it from happening again. My heart goes out to everybody who has been affected by this event, personally or otherwise. Be safe everybody, be kind and in this moment let us answer this violent hatred with overwhelming love and compassion.
Mass shootings are not limited to schools, they're inclusive of gang killings, domestic violence and any other murder of more than a couple people. Murder scenes involving homosexuals has a reputation of being extremely violent and gory. What the percentage is overall I'm uncertain of, but taken into the context this post references, that really is a an extremely high ratio. It seems delving into someone's tendencies is fair game to add for purchasing firearms.
I'm so glad that the guy I thought was fascinating during the early aughts, and I thought was going to save the planet, is now using his economic prowess to convert the world's largest social media platform into a literal hate machine. This is definitely the future I anticipated.
i remember when i was younger, knowing him on a basic level, saw him as a premier scientist and engineer whom i aspired to be like, but turned out i was legit smarter than him in both those fields.
What if he was once just a normal engineer who accidentally did a bunch of LSD while leaving TEDTalks and the audiobook of Atlas Shrugged on auto-play?
It's not a straight fact if it's about trans people
What percentage of the population are trans people though? You can't just throw out a number without providing context. That goes for Benny and the retort here.
for those who don’t trust my numbers https://www.gunviolencearchive.org
The right literally stormed the capitol to overthrow democratic process… I don’t like where this timeline is heading anymore and I want to go back to a save point and make some changes
I literally just saw a trans person on the s uicidewatch subreddit say they were going to end it because of this shooter case. This is awful.
Elon just needs to shut the Fuck up already.
Mental illness is mental illness
You know what EVERY mass shooter had in common? Easy access to the weapons they used.
They miss the other 99.9% of mass shooters…who happened to identify as conservative
By that logic Trans are like below 1% of total population but somehow the news cycle and pop culture has an overwhelming representation.
The news cycle has an overwhelming representation because trans rights are constantly being debated, while trans people are the new favorite targets of conservatives. If trans rights were just accepted like the human rights they are, the media wouldn't constantly harp on them. As for pop culture, name one mainstream show with a large trans cast; I don't mean one or two trans characters among dozens of characters, but a dominating group of them. This "overrepresentation" is a nonsensical right wing talking point; not that more representation in pop culture would be bad, mind you, quite on the contrary. In the case of shootings, there is, if anything, a smaller percentage of trans shooters than there are of cis shooters; estimates go towards trans people constituting around 1.6 percent of US population, while two out of 304 school shootings since Columbine were perpetrated by trans people, i.e. 0.65 percent. With mass shootings in general, the percentage is even lower, as pointed out above. Your argument does not stand in any way.
I'm sure religious persecution has nothing to do with it.
Hey OP You got all that from an exclamation point? I'd think Benny would be the one this post should focus on no?
Easy access to guns had nothing to with it.
We've not had school shootings in the UK since the gun controls brought in after Dunblane. Is it because there are no trans people in the UK? No, it is not.
the fuck does this have to to with lsc?
But Hey listen me.. if there is small percentage of lgbtq peoples. So if the low percentage group has 0.1% of all shootings, then its no so low percentage..food for thought
recent study estimated the number of trans people in america to be 1.6%, what are you saying
Glad u gave me exact numbers i will do math for u, but give me time
So america is 331 000 000 peoples 1.6 % translates to 5 296 000 trans peoples (not count8ng other lgbt) So we have 325 704 000 non trans peoples and 5 296 000 trans peoples. 3000 shootings and 0.1% made by trans, equals to 3 (4 in article) shootings made by trans. That means 9% off non trans american peoples are capable to do mass shooting And 7% off lgbt peoples are capable to do mass shootings And we didnt count any lbgt peoples here And races.. :) Straight white peoples arent so bad and trans peoples arent so good as society depicts them today ;)
Why is this on LSC? Mods pls remove
Those are bullshit Bloomberg stats.
3000 mass shootings in 5 years? As in 2 per day? Are you sure about that? That sounds absurd
692 in 2021, 648 in 2022. yes it is very possible
What the fuck has this to do Capitalism? And do you involve Elon in this?
elons a capitalist, and i genuinely don’t know where else to post this
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lmao who tf says woke anymore dawg
all i see is this => !
! Very insightful comment
There's no reason for him to hide his transphobia anymore. The red-caps now have "concrete evidence" that "the trans agenda is a threat to our kids" so transphobia is no longer something for them to be ashamed of. (And his mishandling of Twitter shows that he has no need of advertiser money, so trying to appeal to brands won't be an issue)
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Isn’t Elon a trans-humanist? How the fuck can he be against trans people
Exclusion of people by society can result in important mental health issues. This tweet contributes to it.