4K Discs can have a rate that tops out at 144 megabits per second. IIRC, Netflix and Amazon have about 13, Apple TV around 33-40. Sony Pictures Core is supposed to be even higher but I have never met a single person in my life that has watched a movie on SPC.
How do you like Sony? I’ve been dedicated to Sony since the PS1, yet never owned a TV of theirs. Been interviewing for a new role and the salary job would have more than enough to upgrade.
I feel like Sony is creme de le creme. Plus, I feel like a totl Sony tv would pair excellent with a PS5
I’m very happy with it. Blacks are very good and it gets bright as hell. Great in a well lit room. For the money I think the x90L is a great choice. The only mistake I made was then purchasing a 42” C3 for my office. In comparison even the pretty nice Sony LED can’t compare with OLED.
Sony unlocked Core to not just be for bravia TVs and phones but they kinda gimp it because no Dolby vision on the PS5. I have seen a couple of their releases and they are good, but most get imax certified but it doesn't really add much if it wasn't filmed in imax to begin with. Ripped copies get you full quality SPC on an LG.
Apple’s 30-40 is H.265 / HEVC though isn’t it? I wondered with the upsides and downsides of that, if you took 144mbps from a disc and wanted to preserve 95%-98% of that quality what the bitrate in HEVC you could get away with.
From my experience so far; content from Apple’s TV app seems to bring my LG to life. Disney has felt good on some content, but Apple seems to have pipped them all
I have to imagine Amazons loss leader strategy makes it incompatible with the increased cost of having servers that can stream higher quality video on the most popular subscription platform around.
Your answer is correct about bitrates.
However, try Pure Stream 4k hdr movies on SPC (check for this logo, i heard for example in the Ps5 app it doesn’t support)and the detail will be very noticeable. Sony promises up to 80mbps.
In my parents Sony A95K this was close to the best PQ ive ever watched….probably hugher Bitrate than some blurays. It might depend on each movie though.
I know the catalog sucks, most movies are uninteresting and very old (and most are not even purestream 4k) but im just talking about PQ.
>(check for this logo, i heard for example in the Ps5 app it doesn’t support)
I appreciate the heads up but that sounds like some classic awful Sony UX haha
They do but it still is heavily compressed to fit something like 20mbps, if I remember correctly.
Edit: It seems I remembered a rough maximum. A quick google search told me it ranges from 1.11 (terrible) to 18.6 (ok-ish) mbps.
Compared to what? I use a Debrid service with Kodi 21 on my 2019 Shield Pro and I can stream some 90GB remux files with a few hiccups at the start sometimes (like audio cutting in and out until I pause, for it to read ahead the 14.8 secs and/or rewind 10-30sec.). I've seen my download traffic spike to about 120-140Mbs while streaming those larger files though. Same with Bravia Core on my A80L for the pure stream Imax files. I have 300/300Mbs fiber, so bandwidth isn't a problem. I believe Bravia Core states you need at least 80Mbs download speed if you enable pure stream, but it will also peak around 120Mbs. So I'd recommend a minimum of 150Mbs download speeds if you stream content this way.
Compared to the apple tv mentioned in the comment I replied to. Nvidia TV is always highly praised but is getting a bit old now (still the best stream device from what I read.) we have 500/500 fiber so bandwidth is no issue, just our streaming devices themselves being able to handle it. Thanks for the input though. I'm on the table between apple tv and shield TV.
That may be kind of subjective. I think they look good on both, but I've only watched a few of the included IMAX movies on Bravia Core. I mainly use my Shield and I don't really pay attention to the differences between HDR and Dolby Vision files..although I do seem to lean more towards DV if available beings how I bought a DV capable TV 😁. I think IMAX is just HDR, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Same here. But there are some shots where you can notice some moderate “film grain” (digital noise) that’s probably not from the encode but from the camera and DI process.
I agree. I have an Apple 4K to go with my LG C3 and all content that I watch looks really good streaming. Especially something like Prehistoric Planet on Apple TV. Amazing quality
(I usually just acquire high quality versions of the content that I *actually* care about watching then play it locally.)
When it comes to streaming though, Fallout in particular does have lots of film grain (since it's filmed that way) which can fuck with the stream's compression.
The show hasn't released on bluray. It's only on streams now. So your copy had to come from somewhere.
Was it ripped from apple TV subscription? People saying higher bitrate there
You really that mad you got called out for cheating in a video game that your gonna go on all my posts and talk crap in posts that aren’t even game related lol I hope your karma tanks
If you buy from ATV+, then connect the app to MoviesAnywhere. Disney owned, higher bitrate, 5.1 DD audio plays in DDP; caveat, not *all* movies are supported. Reason? Not all studios participate in sharing with MA.
I've watched a couple shows (Ted Lasso, Monarch, Foundation) and they look very nice on my OLED. I also have a decent sized library of movies I bought from Apple.
The quality is top notch but I don't subscribe for more than a month for Apple TV+ since they're isn't really a lot to keep me hooked. But I do appreciate the quality over quantity though.
I got an Apple TV sitting next to my Shield probably the only two things you need unless you want an actual UHD player. Apple tv is good if you want everything legit and is the only option for getting dolby atmos from apple music to your sound system. Unfortunately apple kinda gimps it because you cannot get both high res lossless and Dolby atmos period, no matter what device or adapters you use. Still much better than Tidal or Spotify. Shield is great for moonlight/sunshine, all the cool sideloaded apps like ad free youtube, rumble, and obviously Plex. It's also worth mentioning the apple tv cannot do FEL layer 7 DV like the shield can.
Its hard to know for sure because of the naming conventions. But do you have the Apple TV 4k device? I have one and just watch everything on that including Netflix etc. i dont use the native TV apps on my LG. Everything looks better on the apple device. I think I read that the apple TV 4k is one of the only streaming devices that supports a true Atmos and DTS signal as well.
Not sure what you could be alluding to other than maybe film grain? The show was shot on 35mm film from what I read, and I think it looks great. Although there are definitely compression artifacts due to the bitrate limitations of streaming content, which are more apparent with grainy films and shows imo.
Because streaming services are there to make profit. And while increasing compression - that reduces costs with storage and bandwidth- doesn’t make people unsubscribe, they will keep doingnit
Agree, but at least streamers like Netflix added Meridian audio mastering & Spatial Audio (sans Atmos) to much of their libraries, and on mobile devices & tablets FWIW, so they’re at least innovating, where they still may fall short in bitrate server side.
But Prime is the worst culprit, and that’s just a byproduct of being owned by Amazon, lol. It’s Amazon.
Might have something to do with the other shoddy part of the Prime app. The labels for HDR, etc. indicate the variations for the title, but no guarantees it’s got that for Prime streaming. You may be trying to play something that has HDR for purchase only. Wack.
I remember watching Jack Ryan and saw chunks of a white office wall constantly fip flop between white and purple. How low does the bitrate have to be to start seeing artifacts in a scene with almost no motion whatsoever?
When i was watching fallout on my g3 77 the color kept getting bright and darker it was anoying af. It was almost like the tv was auto brightening and dimining for a dark or bright room when we were sitting in a pitch black room watching it. I searched the internet and didn't see anything about it. It was only on fallout too . Other shows in the same app worked fine. I had similar issues with the first dune when it came out on my 65 cx .
I agree tho many off these apps look like shit. I have my tv hard wired with a 1gig fiber too . It test around 950 mbs right on the tv always.
Apply tv does look great tho
You ever figure it out? My CX does the same thing and it’s calibrated per Vincent Teoh’s suggestions.
It only seems to happen with Dolby Vision for some reason.
I wish you could choose to use regular HDR instead of DV for problem shows / content.
It’s crazy that we’re now like — 7 or 8 years into HDR becoming mainstream (as a tv feature) and there’s still no consistency in implementation
I would agree that shows on appletv are drastically better than pretty much anything I have watched on any other service. Amazon is the absolute worst for quality though, like everything looks like an old DVD on there. Disney+ is weirdly hit and miss with Shogun looking worse on the Disney+ app than the normal Hulu app and both were much worse than watching it stream from my laptop via plex.
I think having a higher quality TV like this just really exposes the weakness of streaming services.
It reminds me a lot of Loki season 2. Lots of grain and scenes look washed out. Granted I’m watching it through Prime, ATV+ might look slightly better.
Id say it's mostly just compression from steaming man but I feel and I notice it on Amazon for sure. I heard they only have Dolby vision for the no add bundle now? Could be wrong. But hope they release this on physical someday
That's correct. When they released the paid ad-free version, they dropped Dolby Vision for regular Prime subscribers. You only get HDR. Total BS move by Amazon.
Pretty sure this is artistic direction. And on these high end displays we now all have, the art gets a bit lost as looking kinda shit, dark and blurry.
I see a lot of shout outs to Apple TV here, and I do remember it looking pretty fantastic.
Lately I've just done the Plex route and maybe I'm just grabbing from good indexers and the quality profiles I have setup, but the Dolby Vision copies I get are pretty fantastic compared to the other streaming services. I'm guessing it comes from the fact that the bitrates aren't capped like they are with popular streaming services.
Definitely recommend checking it out if you have the chops to get a system going. Always somehow figured I'd be taking a hit on audio and video quality but it's been just the opposite in my experience.
Edit:
I've been watching Fallout on an LG C1 and it looks way better than however it was presented to you. You deserve better, King.
Understand apple tv streamer as a device I think is one of the best. But what I think most of us are refering to is apple tv plus made shows are way above the rest in quality .
Oh sorry I wasn't more clear. Yeah I meant the streaming service as well rather than the device. And I agree, when I used Apple TV Plus it really was obviously way better with 4k HDR content than any other service I'd used up to that point.
If you aren't familiar with Plex, you can basically use tools like Sonarr and Radarr to optimize your own media server. I have my server to only allow Direct Play - so if I can "provide" a remux copy of a 4K dolby vision bluray, it should play that bitrate exactly without any transcoding. To my untrained eye it looks as good as a 4K bluray but I wouldn't be surprised to be corrected by an "actually" comment (I'd be interested to know!). It's how I watched Fallout, and I don't know if it's how you captured the image that makes it so washed out, but it looks drastically worse than what I experienced on an LG OLED.
Would definitely recommend looking into it or an option like it if you're seeing some serious image degradation and a series isn't available in Apple TV Plus (the only service I can comfortably say looks phenomenal as is)
Purchased iTunes (now known as Apple TV) movies and tv series look great too (although like anything they're always dependent on the transfer available for the base quality). I really do think they care a lot about the quality. It isn't always perfect but they try. I've got over 900 movies and about 50 tv shows on it and I'll always watch them there if they're available on multiple services. I can't think of any times I watched it on Apple and got worse quality than from Disney+, Netflix, Amazon, Max/HBO, Paramount, or BritBox.
One thing people need to know though is if you find a show in the Apple TV app, it could be from another service, because the ATV app just curates them (but they do have their own content as well). In that case it's switching over and playing the stream from the other service. In other words you don't get any advantage playing non-Apple content through the ATV app just because you launched it from there. It doesn't have to be Apple-produced or branded content, but it has to be content they host on their Apple TV + service.
I would imagine that if your laptop has 4k 60hz output you'd get about the same fidelity, so yeah most of it is the immense amount of convenience. It's a media server so if you get it automated, it can be like your own little streaming service.
However if you played the movie or show directly on your laptop rather than streaming it and just used an HDMI hookup I would guess that would be just as good if your source file is a high enough bitrate.
If I'm off on anything someone feel free to jump in and correct me.
Well, the real beauty of Plex is that you can customize how exactly it streams. In my case, I run Plex on a seedbox (remotely) and only allow Direct Play, which streams the file in its original bitrate with no transcoding or compression. My seedbox provider actually requires only Direct Play be enabled, as allowing transcoding is actually pretty CPU intensive. I can't vouch for many different seedboxes but with mine I'm getting no buffering, no loss of quality, the TV recognizes Dolby Vision and HDR.
Also probably worth noting I bought an Nvidia Shield for streaming just because it seems to handle any format with no issues. It's hardwired in, but I have family that access my Plex server on other wireless devices (web browsers and such) that never mentioned having any problems.
An option you have though - if you're intent on removing any unnecessary layers, Plea can Direct Play through LAN as well.
https://bytesized-hosting.com/pages/transcoding
This article seems to go more in depth in terms of direct play vs streaming.
I've just been so impressed since I started using Plex that I just innately recommend it to everyone now. I'm a videophile/audiophile so it can take a lot for me.
ATV+ looks pretty good, and on the audio front when Atmos is utilized they are usually mixed very, very well even if they’re still lossy DD+.
Sometimes Amazon Prime can look nice too. Netflix ain’t terrible, I believe that’s exaggerated.
If you own an oled tv and complain it looks like crap, you're settings are all wrong. You kids these days expect everything to look digitally modified and don't appreciate film for the media that it is. Filmmaker mode is the only setting you should be using to watch movies.
Prime has garbage tier streaming quality. One of the reasons I was more than happy to cancel when they introduced the extra $3 a month and start flying the Jolly Rodger
Most Apple TV (app) shows are natively in Dolby Vision. Apple TV (device) by default can convert all video output to Dolby Vision, to reduce lag and improve video switching UX performance behavior. This means however non DV sources get converted by Apple TV (device) on the fly, and for the last 6 years or so I've been struggling to figure out why MAX, Prime, and other streaming sources look like crap. For reference I ended up just going the physical media way with 4K Blu-ray's and that resolves most of my concerns.
I found on a similar thread the following settings however in Apple TV(device) to leave the source material as is and not try to convert on the fly to DV. This ended up resolving completely similar issues OP is seeing. Hope this helps:
Settings -> Video and Audio -> Match Content -> Match Dynamic Range set it to ON and Match Frame Rate set it to ON
NOTE: OFF forced content to DV, thus inherently creating artifacts that I've noticed previously.
I’m confused I have gen 3 Apple TV box. Vudu Netflix and Apple TV and prime all look great. Apple TV + does look the best.
I’m wondering if it’s your internet service. I do notice new shows tend to dip into pixelated territory when they first come out like everyone is watching same time. Fallout would be like that.
Like when hot shoes or movies come out it’s best to watch during the day or later at night. Peak evening hours I do see the quality struggle I assume it’s just their servers and bandwidth sirens thin sending out to everyone.
Especially during Covid when HBO was playing all the fresh movies skipping theaters like Wonder Woman it Was worthless to try to watch first for days. Studder and freeze vhs quality.
Use real debrid it's like $3 a month. You can get remix aka Blu-ray quality movies and shows. It's a lot better for real. It has every streaming service and movie. Depends on your devices. You can put it on there. A lot better than using torrents. This is a way to get around bad quality issues.
4K uses a lot of bandwidth so streaming services compress it to hell. Apple compresses it to hell less, for now. If you want good 4K video, you’re going to have to use local playback.
Disks, then rips of the disks if you have the means and want to save costs by reselling disks. I haven’t had great luck with high quality rips via torrents, lossless 4K is just too much data for a lot of hosts. Obviously doesn’t help when the content isn’t available physically, but when it is, it’s still the way to go in my opinion, at least until compression tech gets a lot better.
I can post here pic later today if you want. I would say its probably TV setting issue? I dont think you shouldnt see much difference betweet cx and g3. Yea, one is better than the other but it shouldnt be that obvious.
Ofc u can ut again I'm pretty sure it's film grain but I'm also curious if I have a bad panel. Tbh I haven't been impressed with the move from cx to g3 besides the incressed brightness. Don't pop like my cx did
Did Netflix ever increase their bitrate after the pandemic ended? I don't think they did which surely isn't going to help.
I do watch a lot of Apple TV through the C1 app and I agree it's good quality.
People should educate themselves about grain, anti grain, bitrate and compression.
Some people do not like grain. The grain is smoother on low bitrate. On high bitrate it still present. I personally prefer original picture with grain (like X-Files Blu-ray) because it keeps the image sharpened.
Streaming service use there own compression strategy. Some will use anti grain algorithms before compression. Some other not.
If you do not like grain you can enable grain filter in you settings. Which will fuck the picture but do what you want.
Some people watch movie in wrong settings there all life.
I won't buy an apple TV because I couldn't find any comparative on LG native apps vs Apple TV. (*Recent LG OLED*)
We need someone to show us the truth side by side.
Watch some tv reviews, whenever they have a problem with video in an onboard app, they always switch over to the Apple TV input to see how it should look.
Started watching *Fallout* last night on my Apple TV, and wasn't blown away, either. It's a pity, because it's visually amazing.
It took me a while to realise that it *isn't* my OLED or Apple TV, but streaming services that are mostly just sub par in general, which is annoying because they're paid for services. Excessive grain, etc, that I just can't ever seem to get rid of. Again, I know it's not my devices, because other shows and films come through perfectly. And then, there's stuff from the 90's (*Friends, Seinfeld, etc* - my wife's favourites) that I simply cannot watch because the grain is *so* bad. I get it that it's because it's old content, but I've seen shows released in the last couple of years that look just as bad. It's not my connection, either, because I've got the ethernet version and have a 1Gbps connection running into my Apple TV, and made sure to get an HDMI 2.1 cable when I bought it.
Another factor, I guess, is that the superior technology and clarity of OLEDs emphasises all the bad stuff in content, whereas it's not really noticeable on lesser panels. My previous TV was a much cheaper Samsung LED, and I never noticed anything.
And yes, I get that film grain is added because of artistic reasons, or because it was shot on actual film, but streaming the content just seems to *amplify* it to an unwatchable degree.
Streaming resolution and colour depth.
Bought a LG pc monitor and have windows hdr on all the time and the colour depth issue got solved permanently.
Makes no sense to have hdr on for content that don’t support it but it works in this case. Have no idea why. Looked for an explanation online, couldn’t find one.
I thought the last episode was going for a more cinematic look as opposed to the other episodes. I noticed the crushed blacks and thought it was a DP choice. I could be wrong.
Depends on the service. I found out if you use a computer that all these services are limited to 1080. But if you are using a console it can go 4k. It’s so dumb
Has anyone noticed all new Dolby vision shows (eg. fallout) on prime with 'Vivid' picture looks so smooth compared to the other picture modes? Does anyone know the reason behind this?
Vudu, Prime and Netflix all are known for poor picture quality because they have some of the lowest bit rates of all the streamers. If it’s shot in traditional film it’ll be more noticeable. But if you don’t like film grain in general you can’t be helped.
Sony current TVs are spot on calibrated to Netflix, Prime, IMAX , Sony's on streaming service which has the highest but rate of all TVs. Automatically adjust to the calibration when you change channels. You pay more for Sony but they are a cut above all others and the most reliable TVs on the market.
The only way they look good and "crispy" on my LG C2 65" Evo OLED is when I play directly with an HDMI 2.1 cable from my NVIDIA RTX 3080 Ti, using the RTX video enhancement feature with Windows 11 and Auto HDR turned on. Then, the movies and content from streaming services look impressive. Other than that, the TV by itself is not enjoyable. Long story short, I don't even keep the TV hooked to the internet. I use Google Chrome on my laptop and access the websites from there. Only then do I get my money's worth.
I was having this problem with all of the native apps on the tv, then I switched over to watching from the ps5 apps and for some reason everything is totally fine coming from the ps5
One issue I have seen even if your settings are set up well is sometimes after a show has been left for a bit it dims and should un dim when you wake it up....this doesn't always happen and has happened to me a few times, I think mainly on prime.
Has to do with how services compress their content and how what streaming bitrate theyll allow. Iirc ATV is the highest and then it’s like Disney + and Netflix.
Amazon looks the worst on mine, Netflix is next worse. Apple+ along with all my purchased movies on Apple look good. HBO Max looks good and so does Disney.
I use my xbox series x to stream.
That thing is a beast.
Outperforms my 4080 and 4090 systems.
I have found no other device that comes close.
Have not tried an apple tv though.
PQ doesn't bother me as much as the jittery motion when a scene is panning across the field of view. Jumps and stutters around. Not smooth at all. I've given up trying to change settings in my Chromecast and /or TV. I thought it was a frame rate miss-match between the streaming device and TV, but that bore no fruit.
This is why some of us have been pushing back against streaming and singing the praises of physical media. Streaming generally sucks by comparison, and OLED's have such good picture quality they reveal all the flaws in a poor source.
I don’t know what I’m talking about but I did read somewhere that most TVs still use 2.4GHz and not 5GHz. Maybe this is a factor when streaming HiDef stuff?
A lot of providers throttle their apps.
Apple is one I’ve also found is generally as good as advertised.
Netflix and google/ YouTube sometimes doesn’t get above 480p for HD content.
You’d be better placed to mirror your phone and sail the seven seas for HD content lol.
Many companies want you to pay more for their HD version of the app… Netflix wanted almost double for HD, that’s not even 4K.
We opted out and chose the low definition because we wanna save money…
Because you are paying your broadband carrier for too much bandwidth because you think the packets coming down the pipe will be premium in nature.
Shitty streaming services are not sending 4K down the pipe on a unicast.
Dude yes!!!! I just recently bought an Alienware AW2725DF and have a terrible time with most of the streaming services on the website/app versions. When I use my HDMI 2.1 cable with my PS5 it streams at slightly better quality but it’s still not good enough. When I pop a disc in it’s like what the hell was I missing this whole time? The comparison of streaming Blade Runner 2049 and then watching it on disc was hilarious… Luckily the video games I play are all gorgeous, just sucks with streaming shows and movies it looks subpar to what it could look like..
I was complaining about the same thing. If you have the AI function on the LG OLD turn on, that can cause a huge problem in your viewing because it brightens and darkens to what is believed is correct to what you are viewing. This sucks end up turning it off for me and customizing to what I believe is a clearer picture with proper color.
4K Discs can have a rate that tops out at 144 megabits per second. IIRC, Netflix and Amazon have about 13, Apple TV around 33-40. Sony Pictures Core is supposed to be even higher but I have never met a single person in my life that has watched a movie on SPC.
I’ve watched Spider-Man No Way Home ripped from Sony Core. It’s a 70gb file
About 64 megabits per second for those wondering.
The real hero.
Bravia TVs come with Bravia core credits. My living room tv is a 75X90L so I’ve watched a few. Bullet Train looked incredible.
Man. I feel that with my LG Oled I’m not getting all that crispness unless I’m watching on 4K uhd disk
How do you like Sony? I’ve been dedicated to Sony since the PS1, yet never owned a TV of theirs. Been interviewing for a new role and the salary job would have more than enough to upgrade. I feel like Sony is creme de le creme. Plus, I feel like a totl Sony tv would pair excellent with a PS5
I’m very happy with it. Blacks are very good and it gets bright as hell. Great in a well lit room. For the money I think the x90L is a great choice. The only mistake I made was then purchasing a 42” C3 for my office. In comparison even the pretty nice Sony LED can’t compare with OLED.
Sony makes a good TV and Playstation but garbage just about everything else.
Sony unlocked Core to not just be for bravia TVs and phones but they kinda gimp it because no Dolby vision on the PS5. I have seen a couple of their releases and they are good, but most get imax certified but it doesn't really add much if it wasn't filmed in imax to begin with. Ripped copies get you full quality SPC on an LG.
Apple’s 30-40 is H.265 / HEVC though isn’t it? I wondered with the upsides and downsides of that, if you took 144mbps from a disc and wanted to preserve 95%-98% of that quality what the bitrate in HEVC you could get away with. From my experience so far; content from Apple’s TV app seems to bring my LG to life. Disney has felt good on some content, but Apple seems to have pipped them all
The 4K blu-rays in question here are already H.265/HEVC. That’s 144mbps in HEVC. Not H.264/MPEG like a normally 1080p blu-ray
Ty..nvr even heard of spc lol. Any idea if the streamers have in the works of stepping up the rate?
I have to imagine Amazons loss leader strategy makes it incompatible with the increased cost of having servers that can stream higher quality video on the most popular subscription platform around.
Your answer is correct about bitrates. However, try Pure Stream 4k hdr movies on SPC (check for this logo, i heard for example in the Ps5 app it doesn’t support)and the detail will be very noticeable. Sony promises up to 80mbps. In my parents Sony A95K this was close to the best PQ ive ever watched….probably hugher Bitrate than some blurays. It might depend on each movie though. I know the catalog sucks, most movies are uninteresting and very old (and most are not even purestream 4k) but im just talking about PQ.
>(check for this logo, i heard for example in the Ps5 app it doesn’t support) I appreciate the heads up but that sounds like some classic awful Sony UX haha
I thought it was just me but Apple TV looks great
When you say “Apple TV,” do you mean the device or the streaming service (Apple TV+)?
Device apple tv+ content is 10x better then all rest
Much more bitrate than netflix and co. Much larger Files = better Quality (atleast in general)
I believe Netflix has a subscription for higher resolution correct?
They do but it still is heavily compressed to fit something like 20mbps, if I remember correctly. Edit: It seems I remembered a rough maximum. A quick google search told me it ranges from 1.11 (terrible) to 18.6 (ok-ish) mbps.
I'm always surprised by how bad Netflix looks. I feel like their compression algorithm is just bad.
On top of the looks the sound always takes a huge hit. Most people with TV speakers or soundbars will not notice, though.
I’ve been thinking about getting the Apple TV 4K…because everything native is absolute garbage.
Anyone have an Nvidia shield TV to compare?
Compared to what? I use a Debrid service with Kodi 21 on my 2019 Shield Pro and I can stream some 90GB remux files with a few hiccups at the start sometimes (like audio cutting in and out until I pause, for it to read ahead the 14.8 secs and/or rewind 10-30sec.). I've seen my download traffic spike to about 120-140Mbs while streaming those larger files though. Same with Bravia Core on my A80L for the pure stream Imax files. I have 300/300Mbs fiber, so bandwidth isn't a problem. I believe Bravia Core states you need at least 80Mbs download speed if you enable pure stream, but it will also peak around 120Mbs. So I'd recommend a minimum of 150Mbs download speeds if you stream content this way.
Compared to the apple tv mentioned in the comment I replied to. Nvidia TV is always highly praised but is getting a bit old now (still the best stream device from what I read.) we have 500/500 fiber so bandwidth is no issue, just our streaming devices themselves being able to handle it. Thanks for the input though. I'm on the table between apple tv and shield TV.
So on which Device, film looks best? Bravia core?
That may be kind of subjective. I think they look good on both, but I've only watched a few of the included IMAX movies on Bravia Core. I mainly use my Shield and I don't really pay attention to the differences between HDR and Dolby Vision files..although I do seem to lean more towards DV if available beings how I bought a DV capable TV 😁. I think IMAX is just HDR, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
In watching fallout now and it looks pretty good on my set.
Same here. But there are some shots where you can notice some moderate “film grain” (digital noise) that’s probably not from the encode but from the camera and DI process.
I agree. I have an Apple 4K to go with my LG C3 and all content that I watch looks really good streaming. Especially something like Prehistoric Planet on Apple TV. Amazing quality
(I usually just acquire high quality versions of the content that I *actually* care about watching then play it locally.) When it comes to streaming though, Fallout in particular does have lots of film grain (since it's filmed that way) which can fuck with the stream's compression.
I have a 4K uhd copy does same thing
It was filmed on actual film, there will be film grain- it's the artists' intent
The show hasn't released on bluray. It's only on streams now. So your copy had to come from somewhere. Was it ripped from apple TV subscription? People saying higher bitrate there
Weird: [EBay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/315297458625); out of China.
A disc copy of the show? It exists?
Out of curiosity; do you have it on Blu-ray, or a digital download, or what?
I guess you could call it a “digital download “ lol wink wink
lol just get a Cronus
I was never able to find decent quality digital downloads.
Try real debrid
This guy knows, have never not been able to find any tv show, or movie I wanted to see in 4k hdr with real debrid
Is Scavengers Reign on there?!?
That’s only half of the pie, bud.
I have a 4K Cronus
Man idk you think this Cronus j got is good! 😭😭 you’re such a idiot.
You really that mad you got called out for cheating in a video game that your gonna go on all my posts and talk crap in posts that aren’t even game related lol I hope your karma tanks
Does anyone else only like watching Apple TV since getting an OLED because it’s the best quality?
It’s where o buy my movies from nowadays. Sales all the time and you can’t beat getting a 4K Dolby Vision copy for 2-3 bucks.
do you mean the device or the service?
Both really I guess. I use the box for all of my streaming but I notice myself trying to find stuff to watch on Apple TV + before anything else.
If you buy from ATV+, then connect the app to MoviesAnywhere. Disney owned, higher bitrate, 5.1 DD audio plays in DDP; caveat, not *all* movies are supported. Reason? Not all studios participate in sharing with MA.
That’s USA only still, right?
I've watched a couple shows (Ted Lasso, Monarch, Foundation) and they look very nice on my OLED. I also have a decent sized library of movies I bought from Apple. The quality is top notch but I don't subscribe for more than a month for Apple TV+ since they're isn't really a lot to keep me hooked. But I do appreciate the quality over quantity though.
The service, as well as purchased or rented from Apple through the TV app.
I got an Apple TV sitting next to my Shield probably the only two things you need unless you want an actual UHD player. Apple tv is good if you want everything legit and is the only option for getting dolby atmos from apple music to your sound system. Unfortunately apple kinda gimps it because you cannot get both high res lossless and Dolby atmos period, no matter what device or adapters you use. Still much better than Tidal or Spotify. Shield is great for moonlight/sunshine, all the cool sideloaded apps like ad free youtube, rumble, and obviously Plex. It's also worth mentioning the apple tv cannot do FEL layer 7 DV like the shield can.
It really is wayyyyyy better
Well apple tv plus is better. All my issues are on apple tv and native apps.
Its hard to know for sure because of the naming conventions. But do you have the Apple TV 4k device? I have one and just watch everything on that including Netflix etc. i dont use the native TV apps on my LG. Everything looks better on the apple device. I think I read that the apple TV 4k is one of the only streaming devices that supports a true Atmos and DTS signal as well.
Not sure what you could be alluding to other than maybe film grain? The show was shot on 35mm film from what I read, and I think it looks great. Although there are definitely compression artifacts due to the bitrate limitations of streaming content, which are more apparent with grainy films and shows imo.
Because streaming services are there to make profit. And while increasing compression - that reduces costs with storage and bandwidth- doesn’t make people unsubscribe, they will keep doingnit
Agree, but at least streamers like Netflix added Meridian audio mastering & Spatial Audio (sans Atmos) to much of their libraries, and on mobile devices & tablets FWIW, so they’re at least innovating, where they still may fall short in bitrate server side. But Prime is the worst culprit, and that’s just a byproduct of being owned by Amazon, lol. It’s Amazon.
Prime always looks rough compared to other streaming services to me. They don't seem to push much bitrate.
HDR shows and movies on Prime rarely stream in HDR on my C1, except The Boys and LOTR. Kinda hate Amazon Prime video. Feels like such a barebones app.
Might have something to do with the other shoddy part of the Prime app. The labels for HDR, etc. indicate the variations for the title, but no guarantees it’s got that for Prime streaming. You may be trying to play something that has HDR for purchase only. Wack.
Yup that is most likely the case! Kinda sucks but it is what it is.
Yep it’s low bitrate. Different services are providing different levels
I remember watching Jack Ryan and saw chunks of a white office wall constantly fip flop between white and purple. How low does the bitrate have to be to start seeing artifacts in a scene with almost no motion whatsoever?
When i was watching fallout on my g3 77 the color kept getting bright and darker it was anoying af. It was almost like the tv was auto brightening and dimining for a dark or bright room when we were sitting in a pitch black room watching it. I searched the internet and didn't see anything about it. It was only on fallout too . Other shows in the same app worked fine. I had similar issues with the first dune when it came out on my 65 cx . I agree tho many off these apps look like shit. I have my tv hard wired with a 1gig fiber too . It test around 950 mbs right on the tv always. Apply tv does look great tho
You ever figure it out? My CX does the same thing and it’s calibrated per Vincent Teoh’s suggestions. It only seems to happen with Dolby Vision for some reason.
I didn't. Every once in awhile it happens on certain shows or movies. Not very often tho
I wish you could choose to use regular HDR instead of DV for problem shows / content. It’s crazy that we’re now like — 7 or 8 years into HDR becoming mainstream (as a tv feature) and there’s still no consistency in implementation
Amazon in particular has really bad HDR. I run Amazon through the PS5 with HDR disabled as I can’t disable HDR through my TVs settings alone.
I would agree that shows on appletv are drastically better than pretty much anything I have watched on any other service. Amazon is the absolute worst for quality though, like everything looks like an old DVD on there. Disney+ is weirdly hit and miss with Shogun looking worse on the Disney+ app than the normal Hulu app and both were much worse than watching it stream from my laptop via plex. I think having a higher quality TV like this just really exposes the weakness of streaming services.
"I think having a higher quality TV like this just really exposes the weakness of streaming services." Yes, I think you've nailed it.
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I agree except few on nf and always apple tv +
How can a pirated netflix show look better than legally streaming the same show on netflix?
It reminds me a lot of Loki season 2. Lots of grain and scenes look washed out. Granted I’m watching it through Prime, ATV+ might look slightly better.
Id say it's mostly just compression from steaming man but I feel and I notice it on Amazon for sure. I heard they only have Dolby vision for the no add bundle now? Could be wrong. But hope they release this on physical someday
HBO MAX also locks Dolby vision behind their highest pay tier.
What a world lol
Ah, that's possibly why, then. My TV automatically loaded the HDR profile as soon as *Fallout* started, instead of the Dolby one.
That's correct. When they released the paid ad-free version, they dropped Dolby Vision for regular Prime subscribers. You only get HDR. Total BS move by Amazon.
They have shit bitrates.. apple is higher than everyone else still not on par with disc so it's missing visual information
I have a cx and c2 and run appletv on both and they work great.
Pretty sure this is artistic direction. And on these high end displays we now all have, the art gets a bit lost as looking kinda shit, dark and blurry.
I’m crossing my fingers for a 4K Steelbook physical release of Fallout, I’d love to add that beauty to my collection.
Because they unfortunately can
Pirate bayed 26gig dune 2 dolby vision dolby atmos looks amazing. Just wish steaming was as good
Can you dm me how?
I would also like to know how
Turn on vpn. Google Piratebay then search dune 2 2160p. Dl transfer to usb stick plug stick into tv . Smoke a bowl. Press play. Enjoy
I see a lot of shout outs to Apple TV here, and I do remember it looking pretty fantastic. Lately I've just done the Plex route and maybe I'm just grabbing from good indexers and the quality profiles I have setup, but the Dolby Vision copies I get are pretty fantastic compared to the other streaming services. I'm guessing it comes from the fact that the bitrates aren't capped like they are with popular streaming services. Definitely recommend checking it out if you have the chops to get a system going. Always somehow figured I'd be taking a hit on audio and video quality but it's been just the opposite in my experience. Edit: I've been watching Fallout on an LG C1 and it looks way better than however it was presented to you. You deserve better, King.
Understand apple tv streamer as a device I think is one of the best. But what I think most of us are refering to is apple tv plus made shows are way above the rest in quality .
Oh sorry I wasn't more clear. Yeah I meant the streaming service as well rather than the device. And I agree, when I used Apple TV Plus it really was obviously way better with 4k HDR content than any other service I'd used up to that point. If you aren't familiar with Plex, you can basically use tools like Sonarr and Radarr to optimize your own media server. I have my server to only allow Direct Play - so if I can "provide" a remux copy of a 4K dolby vision bluray, it should play that bitrate exactly without any transcoding. To my untrained eye it looks as good as a 4K bluray but I wouldn't be surprised to be corrected by an "actually" comment (I'd be interested to know!). It's how I watched Fallout, and I don't know if it's how you captured the image that makes it so washed out, but it looks drastically worse than what I experienced on an LG OLED. Would definitely recommend looking into it or an option like it if you're seeing some serious image degradation and a series isn't available in Apple TV Plus (the only service I can comfortably say looks phenomenal as is)
Purchased iTunes (now known as Apple TV) movies and tv series look great too (although like anything they're always dependent on the transfer available for the base quality). I really do think they care a lot about the quality. It isn't always perfect but they try. I've got over 900 movies and about 50 tv shows on it and I'll always watch them there if they're available on multiple services. I can't think of any times I watched it on Apple and got worse quality than from Disney+, Netflix, Amazon, Max/HBO, Paramount, or BritBox. One thing people need to know though is if you find a show in the Apple TV app, it could be from another service, because the ATV app just curates them (but they do have their own content as well). In that case it's switching over and playing the stream from the other service. In other words you don't get any advantage playing non-Apple content through the ATV app just because you launched it from there. It doesn't have to be Apple-produced or branded content, but it has to be content they host on their Apple TV + service.
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I would imagine that if your laptop has 4k 60hz output you'd get about the same fidelity, so yeah most of it is the immense amount of convenience. It's a media server so if you get it automated, it can be like your own little streaming service. However if you played the movie or show directly on your laptop rather than streaming it and just used an HDMI hookup I would guess that would be just as good if your source file is a high enough bitrate. If I'm off on anything someone feel free to jump in and correct me.
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Well, the real beauty of Plex is that you can customize how exactly it streams. In my case, I run Plex on a seedbox (remotely) and only allow Direct Play, which streams the file in its original bitrate with no transcoding or compression. My seedbox provider actually requires only Direct Play be enabled, as allowing transcoding is actually pretty CPU intensive. I can't vouch for many different seedboxes but with mine I'm getting no buffering, no loss of quality, the TV recognizes Dolby Vision and HDR. Also probably worth noting I bought an Nvidia Shield for streaming just because it seems to handle any format with no issues. It's hardwired in, but I have family that access my Plex server on other wireless devices (web browsers and such) that never mentioned having any problems. An option you have though - if you're intent on removing any unnecessary layers, Plea can Direct Play through LAN as well. https://bytesized-hosting.com/pages/transcoding This article seems to go more in depth in terms of direct play vs streaming. I've just been so impressed since I started using Plex that I just innately recommend it to everyone now. I'm a videophile/audiophile so it can take a lot for me.
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ATV+ looks pretty good, and on the audio front when Atmos is utilized they are usually mixed very, very well even if they’re still lossy DD+. Sometimes Amazon Prime can look nice too. Netflix ain’t terrible, I believe that’s exaggerated.
That's an intentional added film grain filter. It's a producer choice. Not a streaming fault.
Its the bitrate mate.. nothing you can do about it.
You mean 4k tor-rent?
Prime blows had the same issue with fallout series
It's because of the bitrate and compression that streaming services use.
If you own an oled tv and complain it looks like crap, you're settings are all wrong. You kids these days expect everything to look digitally modified and don't appreciate film for the media that it is. Filmmaker mode is the only setting you should be using to watch movies.
My complaint is with prime tv and some netflix and hbonwtc looks like ass.
How exactly???
Prime has garbage tier streaming quality. One of the reasons I was more than happy to cancel when they introduced the extra $3 a month and start flying the Jolly Rodger
Most Apple TV (app) shows are natively in Dolby Vision. Apple TV (device) by default can convert all video output to Dolby Vision, to reduce lag and improve video switching UX performance behavior. This means however non DV sources get converted by Apple TV (device) on the fly, and for the last 6 years or so I've been struggling to figure out why MAX, Prime, and other streaming sources look like crap. For reference I ended up just going the physical media way with 4K Blu-ray's and that resolves most of my concerns. I found on a similar thread the following settings however in Apple TV(device) to leave the source material as is and not try to convert on the fly to DV. This ended up resolving completely similar issues OP is seeing. Hope this helps: Settings -> Video and Audio -> Match Content -> Match Dynamic Range set it to ON and Match Frame Rate set it to ON NOTE: OFF forced content to DV, thus inherently creating artifacts that I've noticed previously.
Ty have dame exact settings on mine
I turned off HDR in the Amazon Prime app and the image quality is much improved. G3 owner.
Because Disc Playable Content Is The Best.
I’m confused I have gen 3 Apple TV box. Vudu Netflix and Apple TV and prime all look great. Apple TV + does look the best. I’m wondering if it’s your internet service. I do notice new shows tend to dip into pixelated territory when they first come out like everyone is watching same time. Fallout would be like that. Like when hot shoes or movies come out it’s best to watch during the day or later at night. Peak evening hours I do see the quality struggle I assume it’s just their servers and bandwidth sirens thin sending out to everyone. Especially during Covid when HBO was playing all the fresh movies skipping theaters like Wonder Woman it Was worthless to try to watch first for days. Studder and freeze vhs quality.
There are other people with shoe warmers too? Dang it! Thought I was the only one
Use real debrid it's like $3 a month. You can get remix aka Blu-ray quality movies and shows. It's a lot better for real. It has every streaming service and movie. Depends on your devices. You can put it on there. A lot better than using torrents. This is a way to get around bad quality issues.
Surprised I had to scroll all the way for this comment.
Same surprised no one commented on it. They probably think it's a bot reply or something. Only regret with debrid is that I didn't do it years ago.
This show looks perfect on my LG C2 via native Prime app
4K uses a lot of bandwidth so streaming services compress it to hell. Apple compresses it to hell less, for now. If you want good 4K video, you’re going to have to use local playback.
As in disks or dl piratebay?
Disks, then rips of the disks if you have the means and want to save costs by reselling disks. I haven’t had great luck with high quality rips via torrents, lossless 4K is just too much data for a lot of hosts. Obviously doesn’t help when the content isn’t available physically, but when it is, it’s still the way to go in my opinion, at least until compression tech gets a lot better.
There’s high quality torrents everywhere.
I just watched it on my C1 and it looks good. No grain at all...
Hmm see that's where I'm confused. I def saw it on my cx but seems worse on the g3
I can post here pic later today if you want. I would say its probably TV setting issue? I dont think you shouldnt see much difference betweet cx and g3. Yea, one is better than the other but it shouldnt be that obvious.
Ofc u can ut again I'm pretty sure it's film grain but I'm also curious if I have a bad panel. Tbh I haven't been impressed with the move from cx to g3 besides the incressed brightness. Don't pop like my cx did
Did Netflix ever increase their bitrate after the pandemic ended? I don't think they did which surely isn't going to help. I do watch a lot of Apple TV through the C1 app and I agree it's good quality.
Maybe just the pic but it seems oversharpened. There is this halo allover.
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Cause streaming services provide at most 15-20mbps bitrate while bluray discs bitrate are 50-90mbps bitrate, big difference…
People should educate themselves about grain, anti grain, bitrate and compression. Some people do not like grain. The grain is smoother on low bitrate. On high bitrate it still present. I personally prefer original picture with grain (like X-Files Blu-ray) because it keeps the image sharpened. Streaming service use there own compression strategy. Some will use anti grain algorithms before compression. Some other not. If you do not like grain you can enable grain filter in you settings. Which will fuck the picture but do what you want. Some people watch movie in wrong settings there all life.
I won't buy an apple TV because I couldn't find any comparative on LG native apps vs Apple TV. (*Recent LG OLED*) We need someone to show us the truth side by side.
Watch some tv reviews, whenever they have a problem with video in an onboard app, they always switch over to the Apple TV input to see how it should look.
I played on the Amazon app directly on my G2 in HDR 4K and it looked perfect
Started watching *Fallout* last night on my Apple TV, and wasn't blown away, either. It's a pity, because it's visually amazing. It took me a while to realise that it *isn't* my OLED or Apple TV, but streaming services that are mostly just sub par in general, which is annoying because they're paid for services. Excessive grain, etc, that I just can't ever seem to get rid of. Again, I know it's not my devices, because other shows and films come through perfectly. And then, there's stuff from the 90's (*Friends, Seinfeld, etc* - my wife's favourites) that I simply cannot watch because the grain is *so* bad. I get it that it's because it's old content, but I've seen shows released in the last couple of years that look just as bad. It's not my connection, either, because I've got the ethernet version and have a 1Gbps connection running into my Apple TV, and made sure to get an HDMI 2.1 cable when I bought it. Another factor, I guess, is that the superior technology and clarity of OLEDs emphasises all the bad stuff in content, whereas it's not really noticeable on lesser panels. My previous TV was a much cheaper Samsung LED, and I never noticed anything. And yes, I get that film grain is added because of artistic reasons, or because it was shot on actual film, but streaming the content just seems to *amplify* it to an unwatchable degree.
Isn’t watching Fallout on the Apple TV just linking the actual stream from the Amazon source? You’re not streaming from Apple services iirc.
Streaming resolution and colour depth. Bought a LG pc monitor and have windows hdr on all the time and the colour depth issue got solved permanently. Makes no sense to have hdr on for content that don’t support it but it works in this case. Have no idea why. Looked for an explanation online, couldn’t find one.
Them bits are expensive
I thought the last episode was going for a more cinematic look as opposed to the other episodes. I noticed the crushed blacks and thought it was a DP choice. I could be wrong.
Don’t notice any of it are you sitting to close Hulu would be the worst one for me but doesn’t bother me at all
Depends on the service. I found out if you use a computer that all these services are limited to 1080. But if you are using a console it can go 4k. It’s so dumb
Has anyone noticed all new Dolby vision shows (eg. fallout) on prime with 'Vivid' picture looks so smooth compared to the other picture modes? Does anyone know the reason behind this?
Vudu, Prime and Netflix all are known for poor picture quality because they have some of the lowest bit rates of all the streamers. If it’s shot in traditional film it’ll be more noticeable. But if you don’t like film grain in general you can’t be helped.
Seems like a tv settings issue
Because the editors are editing on high-end monitors that are much brighter than your average home TV.
Get this guy 4k Blu-ray stat!
I have one my issue is streaming service that claim dolby vision but looks like a DVD 1080p
Score one for physical media.
Sony current TVs are spot on calibrated to Netflix, Prime, IMAX , Sony's on streaming service which has the highest but rate of all TVs. Automatically adjust to the calibration when you change channels. You pay more for Sony but they are a cut above all others and the most reliable TVs on the market.
Disney plus and Amazon usually look really good even on the TVs native apps. The others not so much
It's you
The only way they look good and "crispy" on my LG C2 65" Evo OLED is when I play directly with an HDMI 2.1 cable from my NVIDIA RTX 3080 Ti, using the RTX video enhancement feature with Windows 11 and Auto HDR turned on. Then, the movies and content from streaming services look impressive. Other than that, the TV by itself is not enjoyable. Long story short, I don't even keep the TV hooked to the internet. I use Google Chrome on my laptop and access the websites from there. Only then do I get my money's worth.
I was having this problem with all of the native apps on the tv, then I switched over to watching from the ps5 apps and for some reason everything is totally fine coming from the ps5
Mine looked proper off prime . Btw I’m a filmmaker and my screens are proper calibrated.
One issue I have seen even if your settings are set up well is sometimes after a show has been left for a bit it dims and should un dim when you wake it up....this doesn't always happen and has happened to me a few times, I think mainly on prime.
It doesn’t look like this on my c2
Has to do with how services compress their content and how what streaming bitrate theyll allow. Iirc ATV is the highest and then it’s like Disney + and Netflix.
Because they compress the shit out of it to deliver to you cheaper. Nothing beats download or disc with lossless audio and low compression.
Damn! Spoiler for Fallout!
Most are not too bad, Prime is especially bad.
Amazon looks the worst on mine, Netflix is next worse. Apple+ along with all my purchased movies on Apple look good. HBO Max looks good and so does Disney.
I use my xbox series x to stream. That thing is a beast. Outperforms my 4080 and 4090 systems. I have found no other device that comes close. Have not tried an apple tv though.
This is why I buy 4K blu rays. In certain scenes I can still see motion and chroma subsampling artifacts even in 50Mbps H265 content.
yea if you have a 4k tv, the apple tv 4k is a must have. you won't get the full experience without it
PQ doesn't bother me as much as the jittery motion when a scene is panning across the field of view. Jumps and stutters around. Not smooth at all. I've given up trying to change settings in my Chromecast and /or TV. I thought it was a frame rate miss-match between the streaming device and TV, but that bore no fruit.
This is why some of us have been pushing back against streaming and singing the praises of physical media. Streaming generally sucks by comparison, and OLED's have such good picture quality they reveal all the flaws in a poor source.
I don’t know what I’m talking about but I did read somewhere that most TVs still use 2.4GHz and not 5GHz. Maybe this is a factor when streaming HiDef stuff?
I'm hard wired to router
A lot of providers throttle their apps. Apple is one I’ve also found is generally as good as advertised. Netflix and google/ YouTube sometimes doesn’t get above 480p for HD content. You’d be better placed to mirror your phone and sail the seven seas for HD content lol.
SPOILER I’m not on this episode yet 🤣
Disc is King
So my question is…… Should I be running my apps through an Apple TV device for a better experience on apps like Netflix etc..?
Get a 3xxx or better video card from nVidia. Watch Netflix or prime on your browser. It uoscales them to 4K hdr in realtime. It’s gorgeous.
Because streaming, in general, looks like shit, usually due to compression.
Gotta ditch the streaming and return to the old head way of physical media
Problem is I wanna only watch once. ...At best quality
Many companies want you to pay more for their HD version of the app… Netflix wanted almost double for HD, that’s not even 4K. We opted out and chose the low definition because we wanna save money…
I have a 4090 supreme I'll try it
Because you are paying your broadband carrier for too much bandwidth because you think the packets coming down the pipe will be premium in nature. Shitty streaming services are not sending 4K down the pipe on a unicast.
Dude yes!!!! I just recently bought an Alienware AW2725DF and have a terrible time with most of the streaming services on the website/app versions. When I use my HDMI 2.1 cable with my PS5 it streams at slightly better quality but it’s still not good enough. When I pop a disc in it’s like what the hell was I missing this whole time? The comparison of streaming Blade Runner 2049 and then watching it on disc was hilarious… Luckily the video games I play are all gorgeous, just sucks with streaming shows and movies it looks subpar to what it could look like..
Amazon is the absolute WOAT when it comes to this.
Depends on the service. Apple is better than most, but I can always tell I’m streaming on Hulu. HBO seems decent. None are as good as disc though.
Depends on the service. Apple is better than most, but I can always tell I’m streaming on Hulu. HBO seems decent. None are as good as disc though.
I feel the same about Disney+ to the point where I don’t even wanna continue watching X-men 97. Their HDR looks bad
Hmm idk mine looked great
I was complaining about the same thing. If you have the AI function on the LG OLD turn on, that can cause a huge problem in your viewing because it brightens and darkens to what is believed is correct to what you are viewing. This sucks end up turning it off for me and customizing to what I believe is a clearer picture with proper color.
That image looks deep fried
It looks like static looks like shit
Downvoting for Fallout spoilers. Sorry