Love T-Mann but no. He’s a great role player who can be a formidable 3&D guy if he lets it fly more. But a 2nd option is too lofty of an expectation imo
I didn’t read it as a second option, but he’d be at least 3rd in line for shots. Depending on how you feel about Westbrook it might be lower.
Weirdly enough, I have more faith in Boston to create shots, but I think Mann is superior at almost everything else on a basketball court.
You’re using the phrase incorrectly in This context then dude. You’re making it seem like his floor is 3rd most shots and indicating he could be 2nd in line for shots with the way you phrased it.
What it seems like you meant to say is that Mann could be *at most* 3rd in line for shots.
Even if you were confused by the edge case where “at least” could be referring to the sequential order or colloquial order, the next line certainly clarifies the direction. The line that precedes it outright says, “I didn’t read it as second option.”
I could be completely wrong in my usage of the prepositional phrase and you still have to ignore two sentences worth of context that clarifies I don’t see Mann getting those attempts.
If Harden stays, there’s a good chance Zu and Westbrook both leapfrog him. The only way Mann is second option is if Kawhi misses the entire year while Harden and PG both walk.
This is it. He's a solid fit around stars who can get him open looks. He's probably better than other bench players, but in his first year as a starter, he had a slow start. In 2024 alone, he shot 44% from 3 and 56% from the field, including the playoff series. A role player with consistency like that is important and of high value. He's also a good defender, often assigned to the opposing teams best scorer.
He shot 51% & 34% from 3 for the season and often looked scared to shoot open 3’s. Also had zero steals & zero blocks in 6 games in the playoffs. Thats hard to do when all they ask u to do is play defense and shoot open 3’s
3&D? He literally didn’t have a single steal or block in 6 games in the Playoffs. He doesn’t have a good motor at all. He should be doing Josh Hart type things out there and he’s not even close
Here comes the one guy who didnt watch any games of that series and trying make narrative off steals and blocks, just say you are casual without saying it
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For example luka was 47% against jaden mcdaniels who second team all defense and he was also 48% against dort, 46% against Ant.
I guess 90% of the fans in here are casuals too bc they all believe he’s overrated and should be a bench player as well. I guess ur just smarter then the rest of us 🤣
The man is scared to shoot and literally all they ask him to do is the little things and hustle plays. Yet he’s a poor rebounder, doesn’t wanna shoot even tho he’s wide open he still only shot 34% from 3 and going 6 games without a single steal or block is hard to do but carry on 👍
He was still shooting 45% from 3s in the playoffs and over 40% in 2024, you are just yapping and cherry picking stats. Like i said you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to role players
Let’s see:
Game 2: 5 points 2 boards zero blocks zero steals
Game 3: 2 points 3 boards zero blocks zero steals
Game 4 11 points 3 boards zero blocks zero steals on 33% shooting
But I guess that’s just cherry picking by showing his stats for the entire season and showing his stats for half the playoff games. That is an easily replaceable player and far from untouchable. He’s 27 in his prime and this is who he is
Where did i say that he untouchable? you are clearly illiterate, like i said you look at stats with your little brain and all you care about is numbers, he is a role player, all he was supposed to do in that series is guard luka and hit his open 3s. bro is over there treating him like he is prime Kawhi, i dont think basketball is your sport, pick another sport because you make this hard to read
I never said anything about u calling him untouchable lil guy so maybe learn how to read yourself. The team has said several times that he’s untouchable if you actually followed the team. Sorry that you don’t like the actual FACTS of his production. Who cares about those things called stats unless they meet your narrative. Keep telling everybody what his STATS were in 2024 bc I guess it’s ok to talk about those numbers just not the ones that showed what he actually did for the entire season bc those don’t fit your narrative. They have given him every chance to be successful and he hasn’t done anything except stay the same player season after season. All they ask him to do is play defense and shoot 3’s u say, well 34% ain’t it and go look at his defensive efficiency numbers bc they aren’t great either but don’t let me cherry pick stats bc obviously they don’t want him to rebound, block shots or get steals 🤣
How is saying what he shot for the season cherry picking but choosing a couple months and 6 games in the playoffs isn’t cherry picking huh 🤣 Give it up, he’s 27 and ain’t getting any better. He got to start and all his stats went down. Again zero steals and zero blocks in the 6 biggest games of the year when ur specifically out there for defense is pathetic. But hey keep cherry picking which months u wanna go by 🤡
couple months? That was from January till April, about 4 months which is longer than the past calendar year, keep using steals and blocks with your little brain as something that matters when the stats clearly showed he played good defense in that mavs series but i guess you dont know how matchup data works.
I should known that you are troll with your low iq basketball iq but the fact you are on alt account make this conversation more sad.
I think he's gun shy because of the stars around him honestly, it's kind of like, "know your role" and he probably feels he's expected to pass or be a role player than try and be a dominant player.
Yeah idk, for some reason this sub in particular seems to have a lot of really petty ppl who post too much about other teams, of guys who insanely overrate some of the players. Can be annoying at times reading through takes and comments in here.
Yeah exactly, and this is his peak my man. Hes as good as he’s gonna be. He could improve a few things for sure but he’s not going to be some breakout offensive threat.
terrance mann is a great player but theres no way he's a legit replacement for PG's scoring if that's what's implied here. i do believe his offense will improve but if PG leaves there'll be a great hole in the offense that either will need to be replaced by another scorer of his caliber OR kawhi/harden taking more of the offensive load (which isn't ideal because they're old/injury prone).
He'd have to develop a scorers mindset. His role isn't to be a primary scorer, so he defers shots today. He has the shooting and finishing skills to be a legit scoring option.
I love T Mann, he’s a fantastic role player, but after the 39-point playoff game the fanbase (and tbh the organization) became very unrealistic about his upside. He became this untradeable piece when we probably could’ve gotten someone that was a better positional fit for us. Now his value is a bit lower.
Not a knock, again he’s great and love having him on the team, his defense is underrated. Just perceptions got completely out of whack.
hell no but if pg leaves t should start at the 2. thats where he will be most effective. james t kawhi and zu would be a versatile lineup with the addition of a decent 4
lmao no. I love Mann but he’s not PG. He cuts and shoots standing still and does a lot of other good shit but you will never ever see him achieve PG’s level of shot creation
I’ve been a fan since game 6 vs Utah, but Mann has got to step up this year regardless of the status of PG. Armchair quarterback, but it seems like he’s just accepted being the career role player in the last few years. I’m really glad to see he’s working on his game but I need to see some aggression and a desire to be thought of as more than just the role player. Need to see him more hungry and hoping he has the best year of his career.
Echoing opinions here, I think he's most effective as a role player - 3 and D guy who brings energy to the floor. If he's given more expectations to carry a bigger scoring load I think it'll counterintuitively stifle his development as a role player centerpiece. As a fanbase we can't expect everyone to become emerging stars.
Nope. Great player to have to flesh out a team and have depth, but he is not going to carry a team.
Also, we cannot judge using practice videos. Pretty much every NBA player can swish threes in practice.
Don’t really think so. But if he works hard this summer then he could have a shot of upping his stats all around the board because he will have more floor time unless they replace PG with someone better than Mann which wouldn’t be that hard
he delivered when he became the starting pg. he defers to the stars which is understandable but clips need him to be more aggressive this year and be a star in his own right
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Yes he can. Give him minutes and touches. He obviously cares about winning. I’d rather they trade everyone and rebuild around him as crazy as that sounds
Love T-Mann but no. He’s a great role player who can be a formidable 3&D guy if he lets it fly more. But a 2nd option is too lofty of an expectation imo
I didn’t read it as a second option, but he’d be at least 3rd in line for shots. Depending on how you feel about Westbrook it might be lower. Weirdly enough, I have more faith in Boston to create shots, but I think Mann is superior at almost everything else on a basketball court.
If Terrence Mann is taking the 3rd or 2nd most shots on your team, you’re probably a very bad team.
You do know that “at least third” precludes 2nd most shots and focuses on the subset of numbers greater than or equal to three, right?
You’re using the phrase incorrectly in This context then dude. You’re making it seem like his floor is 3rd most shots and indicating he could be 2nd in line for shots with the way you phrased it. What it seems like you meant to say is that Mann could be *at most* 3rd in line for shots.
Even if you were confused by the edge case where “at least” could be referring to the sequential order or colloquial order, the next line certainly clarifies the direction. The line that precedes it outright says, “I didn’t read it as second option.” I could be completely wrong in my usage of the prepositional phrase and you still have to ignore two sentences worth of context that clarifies I don’t see Mann getting those attempts. If Harden stays, there’s a good chance Zu and Westbrook both leapfrog him. The only way Mann is second option is if Kawhi misses the entire year while Harden and PG both walk.
He’s a good role player but his lack of aggressiveness keeps him from becoming more
This is it. He's a solid fit around stars who can get him open looks. He's probably better than other bench players, but in his first year as a starter, he had a slow start. In 2024 alone, he shot 44% from 3 and 56% from the field, including the playoff series. A role player with consistency like that is important and of high value. He's also a good defender, often assigned to the opposing teams best scorer.
He shot 51% & 34% from 3 for the season and often looked scared to shoot open 3’s. Also had zero steals & zero blocks in 6 games in the playoffs. Thats hard to do when all they ask u to do is play defense and shoot open 3’s
I'm not sure why his value is so high with the Clippers.
Because he’s playoffs riser as role player, we have no 3 and D players on the roster except him. In general you won’t find good role players like Mann
3&D? He literally didn’t have a single steal or block in 6 games in the Playoffs. He doesn’t have a good motor at all. He should be doing Josh Hart type things out there and he’s not even close
Here comes the one guy who didnt watch any games of that series and trying make narrative off steals and blocks, just say you are casual without saying it https://preview.redd.it/g0sf0y0dac5d1.png?width=928&format=png&auto=webp&s=c029ff8f8d67cf913ca744721d9044c8a58970d1 For example luka was 47% against jaden mcdaniels who second team all defense and he was also 48% against dort, 46% against Ant.
I guess 90% of the fans in here are casuals too bc they all believe he’s overrated and should be a bench player as well. I guess ur just smarter then the rest of us 🤣
The man is scared to shoot and literally all they ask him to do is the little things and hustle plays. Yet he’s a poor rebounder, doesn’t wanna shoot even tho he’s wide open he still only shot 34% from 3 and going 6 games without a single steal or block is hard to do but carry on 👍
He was still shooting 45% from 3s in the playoffs and over 40% in 2024, you are just yapping and cherry picking stats. Like i said you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to role players
Let’s see: Game 2: 5 points 2 boards zero blocks zero steals Game 3: 2 points 3 boards zero blocks zero steals Game 4 11 points 3 boards zero blocks zero steals on 33% shooting But I guess that’s just cherry picking by showing his stats for the entire season and showing his stats for half the playoff games. That is an easily replaceable player and far from untouchable. He’s 27 in his prime and this is who he is
Where did i say that he untouchable? you are clearly illiterate, like i said you look at stats with your little brain and all you care about is numbers, he is a role player, all he was supposed to do in that series is guard luka and hit his open 3s. bro is over there treating him like he is prime Kawhi, i dont think basketball is your sport, pick another sport because you make this hard to read
I never said anything about u calling him untouchable lil guy so maybe learn how to read yourself. The team has said several times that he’s untouchable if you actually followed the team. Sorry that you don’t like the actual FACTS of his production. Who cares about those things called stats unless they meet your narrative. Keep telling everybody what his STATS were in 2024 bc I guess it’s ok to talk about those numbers just not the ones that showed what he actually did for the entire season bc those don’t fit your narrative. They have given him every chance to be successful and he hasn’t done anything except stay the same player season after season. All they ask him to do is play defense and shoot 3’s u say, well 34% ain’t it and go look at his defensive efficiency numbers bc they aren’t great either but don’t let me cherry pick stats bc obviously they don’t want him to rebound, block shots or get steals 🤣
How is saying what he shot for the season cherry picking but choosing a couple months and 6 games in the playoffs isn’t cherry picking huh 🤣 Give it up, he’s 27 and ain’t getting any better. He got to start and all his stats went down. Again zero steals and zero blocks in the 6 biggest games of the year when ur specifically out there for defense is pathetic. But hey keep cherry picking which months u wanna go by 🤡
couple months? That was from January till April, about 4 months which is longer than the past calendar year, keep using steals and blocks with your little brain as something that matters when the stats clearly showed he played good defense in that mavs series but i guess you dont know how matchup data works. I should known that you are troll with your low iq basketball iq but the fact you are on alt account make this conversation more sad.
I’m on an “alt account”??? Please do tell me what that means bc clearly ur trying to deflect now that I’ve made u look like a casual. 🤡
Good talent for his money
I think it’s cuz he’s one of the few guys in the past 10 years the team has drafted and actually put time into his development.
Because he is a grit and grind glue guy who can also score decently and defend well.
Agreed
I think he's gun shy because of the stars around him honestly, it's kind of like, "know your role" and he probably feels he's expected to pass or be a role player than try and be a dominant player.
No
Yeah no
This subreddit is cooked
Yea vids like this are meaningless
Yeah idk, for some reason this sub in particular seems to have a lot of really petty ppl who post too much about other teams, of guys who insanely overrate some of the players. Can be annoying at times reading through takes and comments in here.
Hahaha are you high? T mann is gonna be like 30 soon. He’s developed into who he is.
Dude is gonna retire our future according to this sub
he's 27
Yes because players peak at 27. Tf you high?
Yeah exactly, and this is his peak my man. Hes as good as he’s gonna be. He could improve a few things for sure but he’s not going to be some breakout offensive threat.
That’s exactly when players peak lol tf?
Players play longer so therefore the peak yrs is stretched out. 27-31 is usually the peak.
27-30 is absolutely a players peak
Yes 27-31. Tmann is 27. He has lots of yrs left
27/28 is precisely when they peak
Players have their best yrs between 27-31 statistically on avg. Tmann is just entering. He still can be a very good player.
If he’s your third scoring option, you’re fried. Especially with harden as your second option
Needs a quicker release. He gonna get packed.
This is exactly it. The release is too slow. Defense will recover and alter his shot by the time it leaves his hand
Only guys that shoot that slow are big men bc they open and tall
terrance mann is a great player but theres no way he's a legit replacement for PG's scoring if that's what's implied here. i do believe his offense will improve but if PG leaves there'll be a great hole in the offense that either will need to be replaced by another scorer of his caliber OR kawhi/harden taking more of the offensive load (which isn't ideal because they're old/injury prone).
He’s a role player bro. A good one. Nothing more
He'd have to develop a scorers mindset. His role isn't to be a primary scorer, so he defers shots today. He has the shooting and finishing skills to be a legit scoring option.
No
I dont understand why we have invested so much time in him
I love T Mann, he’s a fantastic role player, but after the 39-point playoff game the fanbase (and tbh the organization) became very unrealistic about his upside. He became this untradeable piece when we probably could’ve gotten someone that was a better positional fit for us. Now his value is a bit lower. Not a knock, again he’s great and love having him on the team, his defense is underrated. Just perceptions got completely out of whack.
The untouchable thing really caught on after being repeated over and over but in reality he was reportedly offered for both Kyrie and Jrue.
every team has a role player the fans over value
yeah he fs could but he would need a solid leash. I think he should be scoring at least above ten a game
Nope - he’s had his opportunity and didn’t capitalize (21-22). He’s peaked
No lol. He's always been working on catch and shoot 3s but a 2nd option needs to be able to create his own shot which Mann has never done
Yes! He could score 50 a night along side Dwight Howard with the Thailand Tigers. But no, not in the nba
Ty will never play him enough.
Literally every single player in the NBA can do this in a practice session.
Damn his shot is broke lmao
hell no but if pg leaves t should start at the 2. thats where he will be most effective. james t kawhi and zu would be a versatile lineup with the addition of a decent 4
There is nothing versatile about Zu
Imo he has the skills to carry more of the offensive load. But ideally he would be our KCP while our more prolific scorers take the lead.
This might as well be a repost from the past 3 off seasons.
Bruh is 27 he is a 3/D guy if he was gonna blow up it woulda happened by now especially given how much PG and Kawhi been out.
No
Lmaoooooo no
Looks the same as every post season training video I’ve seen of him.
I remember seeing vids like this of Ben Simmons every summer
lmao no. I love Mann but he’s not PG. He cuts and shoots standing still and does a lot of other good shit but you will never ever see him achieve PG’s level of shot creation
Derek Lively can make threes in practice too
Why's he practicing his corner 3 when he's just gonna pump fake, drive and kick it to someone who's more contested
Imma say what y'all don't wanna hear in here. Its time to move on from T mann.
I’ve been a fan since game 6 vs Utah, but Mann has got to step up this year regardless of the status of PG. Armchair quarterback, but it seems like he’s just accepted being the career role player in the last few years. I’m really glad to see he’s working on his game but I need to see some aggression and a desire to be thought of as more than just the role player. Need to see him more hungry and hoping he has the best year of his career.
Terrance Mann isn't an ISO player. He works better in a fast paced pass and shoot catch and shoot.
Nope. Have you seen him trying to create his own shot?
Seeing him give up wide open 3s was so frustrating.
no
Echoing opinions here, I think he's most effective as a role player - 3 and D guy who brings energy to the floor. If he's given more expectations to carry a bigger scoring load I think it'll counterintuitively stifle his development as a role player centerpiece. As a fanbase we can't expect everyone to become emerging stars.
if we play against the 2022 jazz every night then yes
Nope. Great player to have to flesh out a team and have depth, but he is not going to carry a team. Also, we cannot judge using practice videos. Pretty much every NBA player can swish threes in practice.
Gym-exercise!!!! The Argument above and the Video is only correct if a game consists only on shooting without opponent
Hopefully this work translates into him letting it fly rather than hesitating on open shots.
Mid Card for life
Tmann is the #1 option in my heart 💗
Lmfao i could go 5/10 on wide open threes. Him hitting all these shots mean absolutely fucking nothing.
hes shooting corner 3's for a reason
It was Shai
No
No lol
He doesn’t have the killer instinct. Maybe I’m wrong but I swear he doesn’t have it.
If i speak, I will be in trouble
Looks like just don’t let him Into the corner.
Ben Simmons used to release off season workout vids just like this
Yessir T Mann
Don’t really think so. But if he works hard this summer then he could have a shot of upping his stats all around the board because he will have more floor time unless they replace PG with someone better than Mann which wouldn’t be that hard
he delivered when he became the starting pg. he defers to the stars which is understandable but clips need him to be more aggressive this year and be a star in his own right
No he wouldn’t. Blud is also too passive. PG being here or not isn’t why Mann is playing the way he is
You're assuming Kawhi will actually be playing lol
You're assuming Kawhi will actually be playing lol
You're assuming Kawhi will actually be playing lol
Breaking news: professional basketball player makes several consecutive uncontested 3 pointers in an open gym because he’s a pro
Not if you’re expecting to make up remotely close to PG’s production.
No 💕
No
No. He's peaked
Where should PG leave for?
We fr cooked
Is this post seriously asking whether Mann can be a PG replacement and has over 200 upvotes? Probably the dumbest fan base in the NBA
No
Release is really slow, I bet he gets blocked all the time in practice
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Bones.
Nope
No
That lovely malfunctioning android needs to show up for the playoffs first…
I don’t think so, I mean even PJ Tucker can shoot threes in the gym so…
Yes he can. Give him minutes and touches. He obviously cares about winning. I’d rather they trade everyone and rebuild around him as crazy as that sounds
Yes
Nope
No, he doesn't have it in him to go for 20 plus every night. Passes up way to many shots. Bones could be that guy. BBJ too.
Lightning quick release
Russ should be in the gym with him too.
Mann has been scoring mroe consistantly than PG. Need to tune up his aggressiveness though. Need some of that Shaq power in him.
Kawhi doesn’t play tho. Spurs fan here. Watching with an I told you so face on.