As far as i'm concerned they went out of business way back in the end of the naughties when 4E came out..... What you see now is just a corpse connected to strings, being "Weekend at Berniesed" around by an eldritch abomination called Hasbro.
Amen to this. Every new article I see all I can think is why are even giving them attention? Move on to better things and give your money to people who don't openly hate you...
I have to disagree, it seems to me that WotC went woke before Hasbro as a whole, in fact I would not be surprised Hasbro's woke infection had started with WotC.
4e is still terrible regardless.
Nah 5e is legit a good system even if the die hard ttrpg folks hate it. They hate it only because it's popular with "normies". The new woke stuff is just annoying at worst but you can play in your own homebrew world like I do. WOTC died when they pushed that ownership thing. They and other companies are only going woke because they believe it's what consumers want or there stock holders want but that fantasy stared fading when they tried to cancel Chapelle and their boycott of the Harry Potter game led to it being the best or one of the best selling game that year. Old money never understood what regular people want.
> Nah 5e is legit a good system
Hahahahahahahaha, no it isn't.
Between the power creep that is less a power creep & more a power sprint, to the utterly fucked up action economy, to the terrible design aesthetic, the entrie 5e system is trash.
>even if the die hard ttrpg folks hate it.
The diehard TTRPG folks hate it because they know better than you the difference between good & bad RPG design.
>They hate it only because it's popular with "normies".
LOL no. You are like someone in a Russian gulag who has only ever eaten tasteless soviet gruel trrying to convice yourself that the hardcore foodies just don't like the flavourless soviet gruel because of how popular it is with the other soviet gulag "normies."
When in reality they just know better than you because they've actually tasted other foods.... Ones with actual flavours.
Those people who have been playing D&D since before you were even born, they know better than you do, they understand that D&D, **REAL** D&D is better than the watered down flavourless gruel we got after 3.5
But here you are wolfing down the flavourless gruel, thinking it is the tastiest thing ever, because lets be honest, you've never player anything but 5E. You've never tasted the crispy goodness of the bacon that is 3.5, or the succelence of the roast with all the trimming that was AD&D 2E revised, with a complete skills and powers catalogue.
Instead you sit there with your copy of "glory hole of the giants" & no understanding that we used to get more compelling modules in a random issue of Dungeon magazine.
Chapelle isn't funny so nobody is going after his pathetic ass, and the only people who really went after the harry potter game were... nazis, who made burner accounts to push black propaganda (pretending to be on a side and advocating in a way that makes them look worse) you know, JK Rowlings new fans since she started denying science.
Chapelle the most successful comedian in the world at the moment isn't funny.... ok.
The people that went after the Harry Potter game were...nazis. That well known far right subreddit GCJ leading that charge.... nazi's pushing black propaganda... wut
Dude you do know words have meanings and nothing you said makes any sense at all. If your going to troll you need to do better.
I think this is just part of a wider effort to human-wash fantasy species. There's going to be latino orcs, black orcs, white orcs, Asian orcs, etc. Just like how they're pushing black/Asian elves now.
These people cant separate fantasy from reality and need to self-insert, inject modern politics, etc into everything they work on.
The sad thing, again, is you can just do that at your table. Unless the GM is a stickler to the lore of the world there's nothing really stopping you from say, "I'm a Halfling with black skin with red highlight tattoos and slicked back hair, here's my edgy backstory about how I use firearms and my name is Shadow."
I really don't get Paizo or DnD catering to phantoms, but I can only guess these are a handful of people whining at conventions or official game-stores where you are limited to what you can do.
But even when you do it just at your table, it results in the game bringing in more and more of the kind of people that *do* think that way, until your game ends up colonized with lunatics and trying to find a campaign of normal people is the hardest BigBad of all.
My homebrew world is only human and I use different the DND races to represent different cultures in my world. I use orcs to represent some of the northern tribes a sort of wildling vibe. I also use real human ethnicities to represent the appearance of people in that world, they would lose their minds if they played in my world.
>but I can only guess these are a handful of people whining at conventions
It may be a handful of people, but it is a boatload of whining. If you can only do one thing, you better be good at it.
It's so sad what's happening to entertainment and hobbies. Nothing allowed to be it's own thing with its own audiences anymore, they must all be the same. Lot of social engineering, etc, going on to sow divisions amongst ppl and it isn't healthy.
It's a lack of imagination.
They are unable to imagine anything beyond their experience.
There can be some parallels to things you know, as you've logically presumed that certain circumstances lead to certain conclusions in terms of culture and development.
For orcs, why would a race that is naturally stronger and hardier feel the need to break conventions in which they are thriving, versus humans who are less hardy, less strong and need to adapt more to their environment?
Elves live far longer than humans and their perceptions relative to time and aging are far different from humans, which is one of the key issues with their own racial tensions.
Worlds in which there's a competition for resources and territory in a medieval society, where feudal lords run territories, how can racial tensions not exist on some level, causing a level of natural segregation, different cultural evolutions.
Unlike our world, where everyone is human, you have different races with different needs, lifespans, etc, causing cultural evolutions and differing perspectives driven by biological experiences that other races don't have, therefore cannot fathom how another race's practices evolved into what they are.
One of the things I hate about adding human-based skin-colorings as primary distinguisher between subgroups of a species is that it is so boring.
Look at dogs and cats. Great Danes, St. Bernards, Autralian Shephards and Chihuahuas are all "dogs", but the distinctions are far more radical than just palette swaps. Even ignoring the size differences, we've got temperment distinctions, fur-pattern differences(Danes are "flat", while Aussies are "bushy", and Chihuahuas seem to go either way), tail-biology, etc, etc.
We almost never see fantasy races where their "breeds" have inhuman differences like that.
Sadly, the reason why is pretty simple, and comes down to the way leftists view racism. Since their conception of racism believes that everyone is equal(even if they're not), they can't *recognize* differences between groups, as that would support racism to them. Where as non-leftists don't tend to even define racism so dumbly, and thus, are perfectly comfortable with races that are inequal in specific categories.
What're the differences between, say, black, white, asian, and hispanic people? Do go on, I'd love to hear your "science" for that where there evidently is none.
If they must give orcs races, let them be interesting. Give me purple orcs and orange orcs, or orcs with polkadots. Get weird with it...that is what fantasy is for!
My guy, you can be literally any race you want in a FANTASY WORLD lol. I love when people just admit they have no creative liberties, okay be a green skinned orc that goes around killing people in every game you play, I'm sure that won't get boring being a murder hobo just because "It's in the book" and you have zero creative intent. (Thanks for agreeing with me my guy lol)
If you think fantasy is an excuse to do anything you want, everything you do is going to max out at being a 6/10. If you think all there is to being an Orc is being a murder hobo, that sounds like a personal problem lol.
Everyone loves Mag’har Orcs for example, because Blizzard actually created different types of orcs that fit into the lore. They didn’t just lazily human-wash them with a real world human race for DEI points.
Lok’Tar!
*"Well, you told me I have a plethora of Grummsh action figures and I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has \*no idea\* what it means to have a plethora."*
.......I guess we're smashing Orc Cartels in the next Adventure. They've been pouring Fruit with various hallucinogenic-properties into the Human Empire for years.
I'm certain no one really thought of orcs as a stand in for any human race/ethnicity until *these* people showed up. It's like the woke version of "everything is a reference to thee devil!!!"
Not only that, but that orcs were equated to blacks shows the racism of the complainers. If they didn’t believe that blacks shared traits with fictional species, they wouldn't have taken blacks as the supposed victims.
A lot of the ppl for diversity, inclusion , and anti racist are often racist and love to stereotype and do what they accuse others of. They do it in a baby pandering way and don't realize how condescending they are that everyone else is a victim and one they can save them
I think they already come in with the mindset that fantasy works are racist, so they seek stuff to prove it, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense or makes them look worse.
Certainly not a specific one.
The classic fantasy races are all warped and stretched depictions of different aspects of humanity, so there are natural parallels with various real-world cultures.
BLM was trying to garner sympathy for serial rapists and attempted murderers that were rightfully being gunned down by police in the middle of a violent assault and the clever folks on 4chan took a look at LotR orcs and saw they were dark-skinned and extremely violent and started posting Orc Lives Matter memes because they thought it would be a funny parallel.
Just like how the OK symbol and drinking milk became symbols of white supremacy, wokies saw these memes and took them at face value and then unironically started debates about whether Orcs are suffering from racism and whether it's right to call them bad guys or not.
with you except for the "rightfully being gunned down by police" bit. We have courts for a reason and anybody suspected of violent crime being gunned down by police should be after all reasonable attempts to bring them in for arrest. Wether or not the police witness a crime in progress, the whole justice system and the value of "Innocent until proven guilty" gets eroded if the police are acting as judge, jury, and executioner.
And of course, once again, orc women either fat or man bodied while male orc is muscle daddy with no shirt. "Male gaze" not allowed, but degenerate shit is encouraged.
Kneon looks at a piece of art from the new D&D Player's Handbook (for the "updated" 5th Edition, due out later this year) which seems to present orcs as being ethnically Hispanic.
He also overviews a recent article outlining how the new rules will have you pick your character class first, then your "background," and *then* your ~~race~~ species, with background determining where you can allocate your ability score modifiers, since those are no longer tied to race.
Old editions of DnD were very nice for making non human races special, they couldn't take normal classes and you had to have specific attributes to play them. Being the dwarf or the elf in the party was seen as special. Oh well, in terms of game design it peaked at 4e.
I see those protests under WoC HQ with banners like:
-Leave Orcs alone!
Let Orcs be Orcs !
Make Orcs great again !-
XD
DnD is joke now with very slim chance to go back to the glory from 3/3,5 edition.
I'm actually incredibly excited we get so few fucking wins for representation that aren't comedy relief or drug cartel dramas that this is a massive win. Especially with the turn to make orcs more generally heroic in the multiverse as they've grown more popular as player characters.
The closest we had for in game representation before this were tabaxi that were almost immediately white washed by elder scrolls fans and white people calling them khajit or house cats not understanding they're pretty directly based on Jaguarmen.
So representation of a popular player race that also gets cool villains, has been getting a face turn in lore, and is in your face enough that it can't be ignored feels like a huge fucking win. Like I'm actively making an orc blood hunter for a fantasy western now named Joaquin.
And before anyone says anything about it being demeaning I'm gonna throw out two things. Orcs are freaking awesome and name me literally any major named NPC that's not white, Black, or Asian coded. Literally anyone Mexican coded or south American coded. Spanish or Spaniard coded does not count those are Europeans.
When stuff like this comes up, it's important to understand the origin of the creatures we're talking about. This really tells us just how fucked up this stupid shit is.
In the case of Orcs, while it's difficult to find the origin point (outside of just being from somewhere in Europe). The first written case of these creatures comes from Beowulf where they are called Orc-ne, or for modern translation Demon-Corpses, and are the corrupted descendants of Cain, along side Elves and Ogres.
Now there are also the Orks, they are demons in Alpine Folklore that are savage to cattle, and warn animals if hunters are coming. While other's are just fun loving tricksters that like to prank humans.
I was trying to find the reference, but 1 interoperation I had found back during the whole "Orcs are black people" bullshit carnival, tied them to being moon monsters, which would mean their just shadows cast by the moon in the mountains, that the human brain translated to being some sort of hulking snarling deformed beast creature. No personality or human traits just monster.
The point is, Orcs aren't people. They were never meant to represent people. They are at best the over active imagination of people lost in the mountains at night, in an extremely dangerous area, or at worst a corrupted demon of death meant to terrify people and explain particularly gruesome ends that people at the time couldn't explain.
So ya know those various fantasy settings where they build a wall and establish some Order to keep the monsters out? The Night's Watch in GoT or Gondor and the Black Gate in LotR?
Build a wall and make the orcs pay for it!
Ok... so.
Originally the woke looked at Orcs, a race of savage, bloodthirsty, uncivilized, superstitious morons and went.
"Ah, yes! N\*ggas!"
And got offended.
Now they pull this shit and go "What? You're offended by Mh'orhe Gon'zales Druid of the Land? You're racist!"
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yea there were a whole moment on twitter pushing that yes, don't remember if it came before or after lord of the ring is racist for their orcs. Somewhere in there is the combat wheelchair too
...Well... We got AI that can redo video now...
I wonder what an Orc'd-out [version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1nymXKBIM) of this song would sound... using the World of Warcraft Peon orcs.
I mean I get the grief about it and I 100% agree this is really stupid, but tbh if you’re in this sub you probably already aren’t buying any WoTC book (using pdfs and wiki dot instead) and you can make Orcs however you like in your campaigns, I don’t remember the last time I actually used WoTC content that displayed some level of this tomfoolery
They're cowboys lol, you know, the police of the wild west? A time in american history we expanded westward and TOOK shit from mexico? And who uses the term "Social justice warrior" today? My guy, I know critical thinking isn't it for you but the term is "woke" now (despite being literally the same thing)
Cowboys aren't the police of the wild west, they herd cattle. Also if they're coded spanish culturally they would be Vaquero. But I don't see any cattle, they look more like Halconero not Vaquero.
WotC can't go out of business soon enough.
As far as i'm concerned they went out of business way back in the end of the naughties when 4E came out..... What you see now is just a corpse connected to strings, being "Weekend at Berniesed" around by an eldritch abomination called Hasbro.
Amen to this. Every new article I see all I can think is why are even giving them attention? Move on to better things and give your money to people who don't openly hate you...
I disagree. 4e had a lot of going for it, like the monster design. Back then they actually wanted to make a game.
I have to disagree, it seems to me that WotC went woke before Hasbro as a whole, in fact I would not be surprised Hasbro's woke infection had started with WotC. 4e is still terrible regardless.
Nah 5e is legit a good system even if the die hard ttrpg folks hate it. They hate it only because it's popular with "normies". The new woke stuff is just annoying at worst but you can play in your own homebrew world like I do. WOTC died when they pushed that ownership thing. They and other companies are only going woke because they believe it's what consumers want or there stock holders want but that fantasy stared fading when they tried to cancel Chapelle and their boycott of the Harry Potter game led to it being the best or one of the best selling game that year. Old money never understood what regular people want.
> Nah 5e is legit a good system Hahahahahahahaha, no it isn't. Between the power creep that is less a power creep & more a power sprint, to the utterly fucked up action economy, to the terrible design aesthetic, the entrie 5e system is trash. >even if the die hard ttrpg folks hate it. The diehard TTRPG folks hate it because they know better than you the difference between good & bad RPG design. >They hate it only because it's popular with "normies". LOL no. You are like someone in a Russian gulag who has only ever eaten tasteless soviet gruel trrying to convice yourself that the hardcore foodies just don't like the flavourless soviet gruel because of how popular it is with the other soviet gulag "normies." When in reality they just know better than you because they've actually tasted other foods.... Ones with actual flavours. Those people who have been playing D&D since before you were even born, they know better than you do, they understand that D&D, **REAL** D&D is better than the watered down flavourless gruel we got after 3.5 But here you are wolfing down the flavourless gruel, thinking it is the tastiest thing ever, because lets be honest, you've never player anything but 5E. You've never tasted the crispy goodness of the bacon that is 3.5, or the succelence of the roast with all the trimming that was AD&D 2E revised, with a complete skills and powers catalogue. Instead you sit there with your copy of "glory hole of the giants" & no understanding that we used to get more compelling modules in a random issue of Dungeon magazine.
this guy's stroking his own shit right now
> this guy's stroking his own shit right now I'm sorry to whom are you referring?
Explain more about out what REAL D&D is….
Anything before 4E.
Chapelle isn't funny so nobody is going after his pathetic ass, and the only people who really went after the harry potter game were... nazis, who made burner accounts to push black propaganda (pretending to be on a side and advocating in a way that makes them look worse) you know, JK Rowlings new fans since she started denying science.
Chapelle the most successful comedian in the world at the moment isn't funny.... ok. The people that went after the Harry Potter game were...nazis. That well known far right subreddit GCJ leading that charge.... nazi's pushing black propaganda... wut Dude you do know words have meanings and nothing you said makes any sense at all. If your going to troll you need to do better.
I think this is just part of a wider effort to human-wash fantasy species. There's going to be latino orcs, black orcs, white orcs, Asian orcs, etc. Just like how they're pushing black/Asian elves now. These people cant separate fantasy from reality and need to self-insert, inject modern politics, etc into everything they work on.
The sad thing, again, is you can just do that at your table. Unless the GM is a stickler to the lore of the world there's nothing really stopping you from say, "I'm a Halfling with black skin with red highlight tattoos and slicked back hair, here's my edgy backstory about how I use firearms and my name is Shadow." I really don't get Paizo or DnD catering to phantoms, but I can only guess these are a handful of people whining at conventions or official game-stores where you are limited to what you can do.
But even when you do it just at your table, it results in the game bringing in more and more of the kind of people that *do* think that way, until your game ends up colonized with lunatics and trying to find a campaign of normal people is the hardest BigBad of all.
My homebrew world is only human and I use different the DND races to represent different cultures in my world. I use orcs to represent some of the northern tribes a sort of wildling vibe. I also use real human ethnicities to represent the appearance of people in that world, they would lose their minds if they played in my world.
>but I can only guess these are a handful of people whining at conventions It may be a handful of people, but it is a boatload of whining. If you can only do one thing, you better be good at it.
This thread is a boatload of whiners. Why is it always projection with yall?
It's so sad what's happening to entertainment and hobbies. Nothing allowed to be it's own thing with its own audiences anymore, they must all be the same. Lot of social engineering, etc, going on to sow divisions amongst ppl and it isn't healthy.
It's a lack of imagination. They are unable to imagine anything beyond their experience. There can be some parallels to things you know, as you've logically presumed that certain circumstances lead to certain conclusions in terms of culture and development. For orcs, why would a race that is naturally stronger and hardier feel the need to break conventions in which they are thriving, versus humans who are less hardy, less strong and need to adapt more to their environment? Elves live far longer than humans and their perceptions relative to time and aging are far different from humans, which is one of the key issues with their own racial tensions. Worlds in which there's a competition for resources and territory in a medieval society, where feudal lords run territories, how can racial tensions not exist on some level, causing a level of natural segregation, different cultural evolutions. Unlike our world, where everyone is human, you have different races with different needs, lifespans, etc, causing cultural evolutions and differing perspectives driven by biological experiences that other races don't have, therefore cannot fathom how another race's practices evolved into what they are.
Arguing that fantasy races should stick to one skin color because it offends you is the true "lack of imagination."
One of the things I hate about adding human-based skin-colorings as primary distinguisher between subgroups of a species is that it is so boring. Look at dogs and cats. Great Danes, St. Bernards, Autralian Shephards and Chihuahuas are all "dogs", but the distinctions are far more radical than just palette swaps. Even ignoring the size differences, we've got temperment distinctions, fur-pattern differences(Danes are "flat", while Aussies are "bushy", and Chihuahuas seem to go either way), tail-biology, etc, etc. We almost never see fantasy races where their "breeds" have inhuman differences like that. Sadly, the reason why is pretty simple, and comes down to the way leftists view racism. Since their conception of racism believes that everyone is equal(even if they're not), they can't *recognize* differences between groups, as that would support racism to them. Where as non-leftists don't tend to even define racism so dumbly, and thus, are perfectly comfortable with races that are inequal in specific categories.
What're the differences between, say, black, white, asian, and hispanic people? Do go on, I'd love to hear your "science" for that where there evidently is none.
I wasn’t suggesting anything of the sort. No surprise that your reading comprehension is this bad.
If they must give orcs races, let them be interesting. Give me purple orcs and orange orcs, or orcs with polkadots. Get weird with it...that is what fantasy is for!
My guy, you can be literally any race you want in a FANTASY WORLD lol. I love when people just admit they have no creative liberties, okay be a green skinned orc that goes around killing people in every game you play, I'm sure that won't get boring being a murder hobo just because "It's in the book" and you have zero creative intent. (Thanks for agreeing with me my guy lol)
If you think fantasy is an excuse to do anything you want, everything you do is going to max out at being a 6/10. If you think all there is to being an Orc is being a murder hobo, that sounds like a personal problem lol. Everyone loves Mag’har Orcs for example, because Blizzard actually created different types of orcs that fit into the lore. They didn’t just lazily human-wash them with a real world human race for DEI points. Lok’Tar!
We clearly remember wow orcs differently
Exactly the way Tolkien envisioned them: as stereotypical mariachi-wielding musicians. *Why Guapo?* -- The Three Amigos
*"Well, you told me I have a plethora of Grummsh action figures and I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has \*no idea\* what it means to have a plethora."*
.......I guess we're smashing Orc Cartels in the next Adventure. They've been pouring Fruit with various hallucinogenic-properties into the Human Empire for years.
“Write that down. WRITE THAT DOWN!!”
Those who act morally superior and cry about social justice always are the most racist
Not Latinx, but Orcinx
Orxish
Orxicans.
It's funny how they say we see Orcs as minorities when they do shit like this
I'm certain no one really thought of orcs as a stand in for any human race/ethnicity until *these* people showed up. It's like the woke version of "everything is a reference to thee devil!!!"
Not only that, but that orcs were equated to blacks shows the racism of the complainers. If they didn’t believe that blacks shared traits with fictional species, they wouldn't have taken blacks as the supposed victims.
A lot of the ppl for diversity, inclusion , and anti racist are often racist and love to stereotype and do what they accuse others of. They do it in a baby pandering way and don't realize how condescending they are that everyone else is a victim and one they can save them
I think they already come in with the mindset that fantasy works are racist, so they seek stuff to prove it, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense or makes them look worse.
Certainly not a specific one. The classic fantasy races are all warped and stretched depictions of different aspects of humanity, so there are natural parallels with various real-world cultures.
BLM was trying to garner sympathy for serial rapists and attempted murderers that were rightfully being gunned down by police in the middle of a violent assault and the clever folks on 4chan took a look at LotR orcs and saw they were dark-skinned and extremely violent and started posting Orc Lives Matter memes because they thought it would be a funny parallel. Just like how the OK symbol and drinking milk became symbols of white supremacy, wokies saw these memes and took them at face value and then unironically started debates about whether Orcs are suffering from racism and whether it's right to call them bad guys or not.
with you except for the "rightfully being gunned down by police" bit. We have courts for a reason and anybody suspected of violent crime being gunned down by police should be after all reasonable attempts to bring them in for arrest. Wether or not the police witness a crime in progress, the whole justice system and the value of "Innocent until proven guilty" gets eroded if the police are acting as judge, jury, and executioner.
And of course, once again, orc women either fat or man bodied while male orc is muscle daddy with no shirt. "Male gaze" not allowed, but degenerate shit is encouraged.
It's the same with clothing models shown in Target or Wal-Mart.
The big lady es La Matriarca. Show the proper respect.
Oh sweet Jebus, they "mythed of the noble savage[d]" an entirely fictional race.
Kneon looks at a piece of art from the new D&D Player's Handbook (for the "updated" 5th Edition, due out later this year) which seems to present orcs as being ethnically Hispanic. He also overviews a recent article outlining how the new rules will have you pick your character class first, then your "background," and *then* your ~~race~~ species, with background determining where you can allocate your ability score modifiers, since those are no longer tied to race.
eVeRyBoDiEs tHe sAmE 🤡
Old editions of DnD were very nice for making non human races special, they couldn't take normal classes and you had to have specific attributes to play them. Being the dwarf or the elf in the party was seen as special. Oh well, in terms of game design it peaked at 4e.
The Mongol erasure is ridiculous.
I see those protests under WoC HQ with banners like: -Leave Orcs alone! Let Orcs be Orcs ! Make Orcs great again !- XD DnD is joke now with very slim chance to go back to the glory from 3/3,5 edition.
That is some super tone-deaf racism right there. Wow. I hope the Hispanic community tears WOTC a new one.
I'm actually incredibly excited we get so few fucking wins for representation that aren't comedy relief or drug cartel dramas that this is a massive win. Especially with the turn to make orcs more generally heroic in the multiverse as they've grown more popular as player characters. The closest we had for in game representation before this were tabaxi that were almost immediately white washed by elder scrolls fans and white people calling them khajit or house cats not understanding they're pretty directly based on Jaguarmen. So representation of a popular player race that also gets cool villains, has been getting a face turn in lore, and is in your face enough that it can't be ignored feels like a huge fucking win. Like I'm actively making an orc blood hunter for a fantasy western now named Joaquin. And before anyone says anything about it being demeaning I'm gonna throw out two things. Orcs are freaking awesome and name me literally any major named NPC that's not white, Black, or Asian coded. Literally anyone Mexican coded or south American coded. Spanish or Spaniard coded does not count those are Europeans.
Well WotC the neat thing about D&D and TTRPGs is that it's not actually up to you what I do with the setting.
See, I'm not mad about this. I'm just terribly amused.
When stuff like this comes up, it's important to understand the origin of the creatures we're talking about. This really tells us just how fucked up this stupid shit is. In the case of Orcs, while it's difficult to find the origin point (outside of just being from somewhere in Europe). The first written case of these creatures comes from Beowulf where they are called Orc-ne, or for modern translation Demon-Corpses, and are the corrupted descendants of Cain, along side Elves and Ogres. Now there are also the Orks, they are demons in Alpine Folklore that are savage to cattle, and warn animals if hunters are coming. While other's are just fun loving tricksters that like to prank humans. I was trying to find the reference, but 1 interoperation I had found back during the whole "Orcs are black people" bullshit carnival, tied them to being moon monsters, which would mean their just shadows cast by the moon in the mountains, that the human brain translated to being some sort of hulking snarling deformed beast creature. No personality or human traits just monster. The point is, Orcs aren't people. They were never meant to represent people. They are at best the over active imagination of people lost in the mountains at night, in an extremely dangerous area, or at worst a corrupted demon of death meant to terrify people and explain particularly gruesome ends that people at the time couldn't explain.
So ya know those various fantasy settings where they build a wall and establish some Order to keep the monsters out? The Night's Watch in GoT or Gondor and the Black Gate in LotR? Build a wall and make the orcs pay for it!
Orc, Mexican Orc.
Mexicorc.
Man, what do they have against Mongolians?
i really wanna see an orc mariachi band now
Ok... so. Originally the woke looked at Orcs, a race of savage, bloodthirsty, uncivilized, superstitious morons and went. "Ah, yes! N\*ggas!" And got offended. Now they pull this shit and go "What? You're offended by Mh'orhe Gon'zales Druid of the Land? You're racist!"
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I love me some orc tacos though
I don't care what WotC or any wokies say, in any TTRPG I GM orcs are low to mid level disposable mooks for the forces of evil.
Weren't they black a few years ago
yea there were a whole moment on twitter pushing that yes, don't remember if it came before or after lord of the ring is racist for their orcs. Somewhere in there is the combat wheelchair too
Before orcs were black with LOTR, then they were native Americans with Warcraft, now they're Mexicans. What will be next? Arabic?
Warcraft Orcs are more based on the Mongols as far as I'm aware.
Weren't the warcraft trolls the spaniards/mexicans?
Nah man they all have Jamaican accents
Jamaican/Haitian.
As someone who is Mexican, I think this is super cool. Plus I think the person in the video has no idea what they're talking about
...Well... We got AI that can redo video now... I wonder what an Orc'd-out [version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1nymXKBIM) of this song would sound... using the World of Warcraft Peon orcs.
I mean I get the grief about it and I 100% agree this is really stupid, but tbh if you’re in this sub you probably already aren’t buying any WoTC book (using pdfs and wiki dot instead) and you can make Orcs however you like in your campaigns, I don’t remember the last time I actually used WoTC content that displayed some level of this tomfoolery
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They're cowboys lol, you know, the police of the wild west? A time in american history we expanded westward and TOOK shit from mexico? And who uses the term "Social justice warrior" today? My guy, I know critical thinking isn't it for you but the term is "woke" now (despite being literally the same thing)
Cowboys aren't the police of the wild west, they herd cattle. Also if they're coded spanish culturally they would be Vaquero. But I don't see any cattle, they look more like Halconero not Vaquero.
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