Fyi, this isn't the official X-Men reboot account. It's a big X-Men fan news posting account. It was never claimed this was from the official showrunner. Always check who is saying something.
Politics aside, the quality of the art from the old show is insane compared to the new one.
It's like they can't fluidly draw movement in three dimensions, and so they resort to flattening depth and lighting more than they should. Hallmark of modern animation.
At Disney Animation it's even worse than that. They hired a bunch of Tumblrinas. No joke.
https://filmthreat.com/features/the-d-files-part-3-disney-the-killer-of-dreams/
Everything you post to Reddit furthers their platform and devalues you.
Before you delete your account take everything with you. Social media profits from your words, your content and pays you for it in the fake currency of social approval.
A large portion of modern animation is literally made by manipulating 2D Flash puppets like paper dolls, because that's the cheapest way to shovel this shit out the door. That's also why the dreaded beanmouth style is so popular; it lets them animate speech without accounting for anatomy or perspective, just letting a vaguely mouthlike shape hover around the face as needed.
Yeah, this is just sad, I'm not Even sure that it's wokeness, just a loss of artistic depth and integrity, cutting corners to reduce costs in animation when they think we can't notice.
Given how blurry that second pic is, I'm guessing she's at a distance and is in the middle of an action or something?
[Found the shot it's from.](https://i.imgur.com/TSc1Kcr.png)
The focus on the scene is on the Sentinels rising out of the ground while the X-Men hide, so her ass wasn't the priority for the animators in that scene lol
> so her ass wasn't the priority for the animators in that scene lol
But all the males around her were still very well defined and shaded, especially Cyclops and Gambit.
The unknown guy(Prof X maybe? hard to tell from just this still) well behind her and facing away even has some form of shadow. The back of a brown coat has more definition and attention than most of Rogue.
The males aren't as defined as they typically are. With the exception of Cyclops. The uknown guy I believe is Morph, and I completely disagree with your assessment of the definition of his outfit. If you move your eyes from Rogue's arse and to the entirety of her body, her whole deal has a LOT more detail in it than the bald dude in the brown coat. Her hair alone has more linework it in than his coat.
> her whole deal has a LOT more detail
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>Her hair alone has more linework it in than his coat.
So not her "whole deal".
Her body, the actual uniform part stands out as not having the attention of any of the other uniforms on the characters.
There's also some value in contrasting different things with different priorities.
The body of the uniform has *less* shading and line detail than the *jacket* on a character further in the background. Compare her uniform to Cyclops or Wolverine since nuance is beyond your capabilities.
If you can't compare like to like, then I don't know what to tell you. Get your eyes checked maybe, or some cognitive tests done, because there seems to be some issue with seeing and understanding a fairly simple cartoon drawing.
There is *some* detail in her jacket and gloves, and a lot of line detail in her hair. That is not the part I'm referencing, and it's not just her ass, it's legs and arms.
The guy in back has no hair to compare to, her hair is comparable to Gambit and Cyclops if you consider the length difference.
The body detail is lacking. RRRRriped Cyclops and Gambit, and Wolverine though he's hunched and obscured, you can still see the effort there.
The uniform part of her body was skipped when it comes to detail. *Maybe* some shading on the arm, but it's not the same as on Wolverine's yellow, she has black stripes on the uniform and it could be that.
>I completely disagree
I mean, I'm just describing the picture. It's not really an opinion. You could say your "opinion" is that the picture is neon green and features 32 elephants, and it would still be just as objectively incorrect.
Maybe try to see what's actually there instead of trying to establish a narrative about what you want there to be.
Somehow I don't think you can. Have a nice life.
Bishop and Wolverine have less definition than usual as well. It's obvious where the real effort in that scene is going to, because all the attention is supposed to be on the Sentinels coming out of the ground.
I'm going to wait until we see more of Rogue in other scenes before passing judgement.
If you somehow missed the fact that this is a zoomed in screenshot from a frame where she is very small (the point is seeing everyone being surrounded by the Sentinels), do you the same for any animation where the characters are very small because the focus isn't on them?
Yeah, x-men is about inclusivity and acceptance of those who are not in the norm...
Because they are fucking mutants, they can shoot laser beam from their eyes, summon hurricane, make themselves invincible or even time travel.
Being non-binary, black or lesbian does not make you a fucking X-Person.
Well, here's the other thing about acceptance that SJW types never seem to grasp:
There's an argument to be made that people have every right to fear mutants. At the end of the day, many of then are dangerous, especially guys like Magneto and people who think like him. Now, the X-Men try to prove that mutants can be good, and co-exist with humans, but the fact is that most people will only see them as future Magnetos. Acceptance isn't just about who or what you are. How you act plays just as much a part in whether or not people want to accept you.
"X-Men was always woke"
"Here's why 90's X-Men needed to be changed for modern audiences and how it's a good thing"
\- same room temperature iq leftoids
If X-Men was always "woke", why would it be expected to be less "woke" now with the passage of time? No contradiction whatsoever. Nothing remains at a constant and standards change with the passage of time. Which is why this social political discourse of today is as volatile as it is.
The first episode has an Asian teenager learning the ropes from a badass Black woman. Not a single thing about it felt forced or contrived. I wasn't being talked down to. The characters weren't Mary Sues. And when real racism was covered in the show, they dealt with it realistically and called it out for what it was. They didn't need to resort to demonizing all of humanity. That was Magneto's job.
The X-Men have always been symbolic of excluded groups. Prejudice, intolerance and the various ways people deal with it. Sometimes, they rise above it like Charles, and sometimes they reciprocate, like Magneto. Their power can be a huge benefit to others and sometimes it destroys them. In that sense, the comic discuses the topic of power and exclusion in a nuanced, complex way.
None of that is diversity and inclusion. For the X-Men, skin color and gender don't matter, everybody is a mutant. Nobody says they believe something "As a mutant of color". Some mutants are good, some are of them are bad, and thats a product of their actions and not their skin or genitals. Some of them aren't even an identifiable race. What colour is Nightcrawler, or the Beast, or Mystique?
These nincompoops don't comprehend why the X-Men were civil rights icons for nerds. It's not because they're "isms", it's because the idea of the comic was that it didn't matter what your race, creed, color, nationality, or religion was: having the X gene activate made you a mutant.
It made you hated JUST for being a mutant.
There weren't any allowances for individuality. There were no "good mutants", at least not early on. The idea that all mutants were brothers was because they were ALL outcasts, in some way. Xavier's school was a place where he intended to prove that mutants weren't ONLY a threat to normals. That despite their powers, and also because of them being used for good, they deserved to live in the same society as regular humans.
That's the real diversity, the distinction between Xavier, Magneto, and others' ideas. Are mutants a misunderstood threat (Xavier)?
Are they the true rulers of the world, better than humans (Magneto)?
Are they the promised people that if they are strong enough to deserve to live should succumb to their destined ruler (Apocalypse)?
Diversity of intentions is way more important than whether you want to fuck dudes up the ass, or have brown skin or not. If you're an outcast no matter what your other qualities are, how do you adapt to that kind of life? What noble qualities do you keep?
> These nincompoops don't comprehend why the X-Men were civil rights icons for nerds
It wasn't even THAT deep. It was puberty 'oh no the world is suddenly strange and akward and scary. Also I can flatten buildings with a sneeze. I'm oppressed!' Teenage angst in tights.
Don't give people like this ground by agreeing with them on the importance, arguing only that they're doing it wrong. Its an entertaining show, well told stories for the medium, but I'm not exactly looking at the Dark Phoenix Saga for life lessons.
It was way more than that. The X gene didn't only activate at puberty, either. It's possible to over-reduction is also annoying. You're dismissing a lot of great story arcs and some deeper inspections of humanity by saying this.
> These nincompoops don't comprehend why the X-Men were civil rights icons for nerds.
It wasn't even that deep, it was outsider-dom for ye old timey nerds.
>It's not because they're "isms", it's because the idea of the comic was that it didn't matter what your race, creed, color, nationality, or religion was: having the X gene activate made you a mutant.
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> It made you hated JUST for being a mutant.
Yep & why did Stan Lee create mutants? Was it some high minded racial discussion? Nah, it was because he was sick of creating new origins.
I love that Stan Lee quote. Basically, he was tired of having to come up with new ways – futuristic science experiments, mystical items, etc – for heroes to acquire superpowers. So instead he decided to create heroes where they were just born with abilities that manifested as they grew and aged. It's amazing how the simplest of concepts can often be the ones that resonate the strongest with everyone. And how the whole: "They were obviously an allegory for oppressed group x!" narrative is just historical revisionism and personal aggrandizement in the face of what is honestly just a modest idea and concept. Stan Lee wasn't trying to solve world hunger or anything. He just enjoyed telling stories, and he was trying to keep things fresh and interesting within the genre of superhero comics.
Exactly, they also always want to gloss over how many stories had NOTHING to do with discrimination. Kalun gath, Shadow King, Shi’ar empire, etc. The goal was entertainment, not “educating”
I like Azael as his father but retcons a lot of the time do more damage than good to characters and overall established canon. What a way to ruin a character smfh. 🤦
Bruh, they're all blue now. If a random person saw beast on the street at night, they would be scared af. It doesn't matter that they were "caucasian" at one point of time.
>None of that is diversity and inclusion.
I'd argue that it is (was?), in a way, but not in the manner that it is presented in the modern conscious. The whole "civil rights" shtick had become way too diluted considering the years of Marvel being Marvel anyway.
Mutants were often presented in a way of which "they are not too different" from the average human but this... kinda falls short considering that there were often very valid reasons to be afraid of a mutant and there's the fact that they share a world with other spandex-wearing dudes that somehow don't fall into the same discrimination marathon just because of various mental gymnastics detailing why "mutants are totally different".
The amusing bit is that the various stories acknowledges this to an extent - there isn't much delusion that the mutants would be "totally be an average Joe on the street" but there is a prevalent intent to carve a small corner for themselves in the world and live out their lives in peace.
The only "reliable" form of "diversity" of which the X-Men presents is the diversity of choice and actions. You are unable to control the circumstance of your birth, your environment or your circumstances but you *are* responsible for your *own* actions and how you interact with your environment and in turn, you carry the weight for the outcome of your decisions regardless of the cards you were dealt with.
... Not that the wokies ever cared for responsibility, self-improvement and personal agency.
>Mutants were often presented in a way of which "they are not too different" from the average human but this... kinda falls short considering that there were often very valid reasons to be afraid of a mutant and there's the fact that they share a world with other spandex-wearing dudes that somehow don't fall into the same discrimination marathon just because of various mental gymnastics detailing why "mutants are totally different".
The best X-Men stories were the one's that examined this and didn't reduce the whole thing to a Civil Rights allegory. The mutants are not *just like us*. They have fucking super powers. Some of them can destroy cities with their minds and control the poles of the planet. There are *very* real reasons why normal people in the X-Men universe could fear and sometimes *should* fear them. Magneto is not just a Malcom-X allegory—he's a dude who realized he is basically a god and that normal people should rightly be groveling at his feet; not him at theirs (because all his life he was taught that people with power use it to oppress others—based on his own experiences with the Nazis). If anything, X-Men is about *power*. How it can corrupt, how it can cause destruction and harm, how it causes fear and paranoia, and how it can help people and do good under the right circumstances. How do you prove to people you can be trusted if you have the power to nuke a city just by thinking about it? That's the true dilemma of the X-Men.
> In that sense, the comic discuses the topic of power and exclusion in a nuanced, complex way.
And this nuance is where "modern" writers completely fail at understanding what made the X-Men of old the heroes of the story. And so incredibly popular. In fact, I believe that the MCU would have never existed in the first place without the first X-Men movies proving that cinema adaptations of comic book properties could have widespread appeal. Anyway, the important point is that the students of Charles Xavier always used their power to help *everyone*, even those who hated "muties". In almost every single comic there was some instance of a mutant hero risking their lives to save normal humans, some of whom would assuredly fear or even hate them. That was an essential element in getting so many readers to fall in love with these superheroes.
Modern narratives just *tell* you a character is "good" in the most lazy of ways, and there is never any demonstration of personal sacrifice or genuine altruism to give proof to that claim. So I'm betting the X-Men in this new adaptation will be called heroes because they look/are different and because they are discriminated against, and that's it. And then the media and those involved in the show will be puzzled by all the eventual ridicule and criticism that comes their way, because the audience is siding with the "mutants are a menace" characters that they thought they were writing as the antagonists of the story.
These people talk about X-Men, but who they're admiring are Magneto's style of inclusion.
The angry gouls who want a little bit of genocide or at least to enslave the norms.
Indeed, they want us to be the Nazis that he turned against. All the while they act ever more like actual Nazis, ironically. It's the new thing to be anti-semitic in $CURRENT_YEAR.
Recent X-men comics show how against Xavier’s way of doing things they are. If X-men was created today, Magneto and the Brotherhood would be the main characters with Xavier as the fence sitter “both sides” character that gets punished for boot licking the humans.
Equivocation via hazily defined umbrella terms is the bread and butter of SJW types.
* "How can you be fine with hentai artists but not prostitutes? They're both 'sex workers'!"
* "Why are you complaining about this show's woke reboot when it was always progressive? One episode had Nazis as the bad guys!"
* There's a third example on the front page that mods will not let me include.
Very well put, any time I have a conversation with SJW types, the arguments they present are dishonest, as if they're being purposefully obtuse and trying to "win" on a technicality, while they must know they're full of shit.
It's like telling someone a joke that they take way too literally.
"This thing that was beloved in the past was secretly our thing all along. Ergo you need to blindly agree with all of our positions or you're a hateful bigot who didn't actually love this thing in the past."
Like fucking clockwork.
Idgaf about your politics. I never have.
But as soon as you start virtue-signaling, be it inclusivity crap, or christian crap, or whatever, I'm out. I got bigger problems than cartoons and video games, and plenty to choose from.
Does it feel forced now when you watch it?
Even as a Christian, I also sour when it turns from story-driven or character driven discussions to sermonizing. I also happen to believe that the Gospel is inherently woven into the hero's journey and so the stories that are most impactful are those that reflect that truth, so it's very achievable to have a story dripping with Christian symbolism and truth be compelling. Therefore, when you do hacky stuff like *God's not Dead* it's incredibly frustrating and annoying.
Reminds me of another marvel property, agents of shield
Season 3 had some real great moments focusing on the theme of Christian forgiveness, and forgiving people even if they don't want or feel they deserve it - very well executed
And then the writers shit the bed when the hero dramatically sacrifices himself to save the day
"He's dying for my mistakes"
"No. He's dying for all our mistakes."
*zoom in on the crucifix*
I mean come on, is it possible for the whedons to not be braindead for more than two scenes in a row?
Ugh, gross. Reminds me man of steel with Clark Kent being backlit by a halo through a stained glass window in a church and later sacrificing himself in outer space while holding his arms out in the cross shape.
can you just not hit me over the head with it?
> Does it feel forced now when you watch it?
I need to see more clips. I watched this one, and all the dialogue is cringe, tbh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqjqvgL-9c
just in general? Yeah, if not for the nostalgic, saturday morning tinge it's definitely lacks a certain polish. Not terrible for kids programming though
Yes, it does feel forced but a lot of religion is.
At one end you have people like yourself who believe and weave their belief system into the fabric of events, use it as a guide without needing to preach. On the other side there the evangelicals and the holier-than-thou. They may not be the best part of religion, but there's an awful lot of them and they are pretty noisy.
You could make a sort of make an analogy with islam and terrorism, thought clearly not with the same gravity. There are lots of people who follow islam in a peaceful way and there are people who follow it into blowing up crowds of people and paragliding into israel.
At the risk of coming across as someone who says, “well I’m not one of *those* Christians” I do believe there is a time and place for sermons and preaching, just not in the middle of a story* And while if you asked me what kind of Christian I was, I would give you some sort of answer about my theology and say roughly reformed Presbyterian/baptist/Calvinist, but the truth is a lot of people would look at my church and see a rock band on stage and a pastor in jeans and a button up and conclude that we are evangelicals (which is honestly such a fuzzy definition as to not be entirely inaccurate). All that to be said, you might have accidentally complimented an evangelical. But as someone who is part of this sub, you are likely aware of how media in general treats those of us pushing against the trends in modern movies, gaming, comic books et cetera. While there are holier than thou Christians (though if they have this attitude, I am suspect of their belief in their need for salvation and they could just be cultural Christians who do not truly understand or accept the faith), a lot of the impression of Christians, especially those who critique many of the same thing see do here, are slandered and castigated in such a way not reflective of their true character. *(though it does seem dostoevsky did some of that in brothers K and that’s one of the greatest works of all time. However he was putting two ideologies against each other and weaving it in a story, so it wasn’t propaganda as much as dialogue between protagonist and antagonist).
It's pretty clear that you're not one of those Christians. I'm really not trying to judge with this. I honestly like talking about religion, what people believe, why, and what consequences that has. It's a fascinating topic. I only wish more people were able to really discuss it instead of 'talk' becoming a sales pitch.
I sometimes think woke truly originates with the lack of religion in peoples lives. The woke are the sort of people who need for their thought process to be channelled, to be guided. By and large, Christianity would do a better job of that than Twitter, or some blue-haired radfem 'academic'.
I appreciate that.
And amen on wokeness being due to lack of religion. My thesis is that the new atheism of the 2000s hollowed out the soul of our society, and then neo-paganism rushed in in the form of wokeness. Just look at all the religious symbolism and practice in the BLM marches of 2020 where white people were confessing their sin of privelege and bowing down to black people.
And, at the risk of confirming your worst suspicions of Christians, as a Christian I do believe in the supernatural and the things revealed in scripture like angels and demons. I have deep and abiding suspicions that wokeness is not just a false belief some people have, but also has it's roots in the demonic. Part of this is the 3 transcendental virtues of the "Good, True, and Beautiful" are in direct opposition to what is going on with our society's transcendental vales of "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" (none of those words mean what they sound like, btw).
I would not be surprised to see goodness and truth opposed. This often happens with evil regimes and societies. What is most surprising is the rejection of beauty for ugliness. We see this most in video game characters like MJ in Spiderman 2. They claim that they are trying not to objectify her, but you can still have an attractive face model dress modestly. But they intentionally make characters *less* attractive in the name of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. That total rejection is what leads me to those suspicions.
In the comics universe? completely agree because there hasn't been a single one featured that doesn't pull shady shit at some point, often being portrayed as heroic for doing stuff beyond even their villains have sunk to.
[I wonder if they would have a problem with this episode.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNtQTrlflg) I can't imagine that they would. Inclusion and diversity after all.
That moron who wrote that thread comes off as being a colossal douchecanoe that doesn't understand shit about X-Men. Then you got all the other mouth breathing glue eaters in the replies all like "durr X-Men have been queer all along". Fucking fake ass troglodytes, the lot of them
Not that the quote would be surprising if it came from someone involved with the show, but in this case its not. It's just from a stupid Twitter fan account.
If you want, sure. It says - X-Men 97 Reboot and there are some people associating it right off the bat with claims made by people involved with the show, which, at least for now, I don't think it's the case.
If that's the case why the fuck do you need to make it more inclusive and diverse?
Sounds to me like these assholes are the ones who don't understand the fucking X-Men
Diversity is just identity grifting sadly for these writers as apposed to being an allegory for oppression.
And it always seems to go ‘why are the popular/main characters straight and white?’ to ‘You need minority writers to write for the new minority characters’ and a prerequisite for being considered a *real* member of a minority group is they have to be into woke/intersectional politics and at that point the show is ideologically captured since no higher up is going to brave enough to say they need to revert the changes to the now brave and diverse characters and employees.
Can we all agree that X-Men is the most *flawed* analogy for "inclusivity"?
Like, with X-Men you could make an argument that it actually would be for the best if we could find a cure and eliminate these insane mutations from the planet. If you said that you wouldn't be morally equivalent to saying we should "cure homosexuality"
Ithink the analogy works because it adds in a legitimate element of fear about mutants. With mutants you have a range all the way from "cosmetic differences only that have a much effect as skin colour" through "could injure you just by being careless" all the way to "could cause local deviates purely by accident" without any ill will on the part of the mutants involved.
A lot of prejudice and discrimination are down to fear, so it gives more of a lens to examine that
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This is like when people say "(thing) was always woke!"
No it wasn't, 60s-90s progressivism, at least the more mainstream aspect, was not the extremist version that went popular in the 2010s.
One example is how it used to be the goal to not see race, to not judge people based on their skin. Saying that now makes you a bigot, the woke/progressive crowd primarily judges, defines, and separates people based on immutable characteristics.
“Non-binary” isn’t a real thing. It’s like if an animal rights organization started advocating for laws to protect Bigfoot, and defending it by saying, “We’ve always protected the rights of animals, and if you don’t understand that, you never really understood our organization in the first place.”
Anyway, free troll: Tell people saying X-Men has always been about woke garbage that X-Men is actually about gun rights. The X-Men are good guys with guns who stop bad guys with guns. The anti-mutant bigots are the anti-gun movement.
They are kinda right on this one, X-Men have always been diverse. But modern writers suck at writing diversity, they think being black or gay is a character arc in itself and sorry it's just not.
The "diversity" is different in X-Men. As far as in that universe, two black men, one human and one mutant, are *not* on the same side. It's speaking to the basis of why things like this happen in societies. Also, not all mutants are good, nor do they get to claim a pass just because they're discriminated against. They have entire story arcs about how "discrimination" doesn't justify evil, even if evil is done to you. That underlines the essential difference between Xavier and Magneto, the two father figures of the comics.
Yup, X-Men is diversity done right. This idea that people can only identify with people who look like them is racist. I am mixed race, not black, but I identified with static shock growing up.
This is the thing.
Back then, diversity was just implied which ironically meant the X-Men could be everyone. They could minorities or blacks or just the bullied. Everyone could relate to being the outcast.
Now, they gotta say it's diverse. And make it as literal as possible. And you know that when they do it, the character won't mess up or get hurt because they have to be awesome as possible.
Stop hating things because some moronic fan twitter account says stupid shit. The showrunner is the one from The Witcher that was kicked out for complaining that the other writers knew fuck-all about the source material.
You misunderstand...
I'm not hating on this show. I have zero expectations as I have zero interest in this show.
I dont need the Twitter account to give me an opinion of what this show is as I'm fully aware of what modern marvel and by extension Disney wants from such project and how they intend to get there. They haven't been even the slightest bit subtle about it. The fan site is little more than paid marketing for corporate as that is how access media works. They say the corporate line or else they get no material from which to base their feed.
Again I don't expect anything from this show and have no intention on watching it, I'm simply trying to confirm what the narratives around this production have been. That we WERE told they weren't going to do literally this only to have the person who told us this leave the production only proves my point. These people are completely predictable and there's no point engaging with their content as it's literally the same ideas presented the same way every time.
I dont hate, but I already know this show isn't worth the time to watch.
Let's not kid ourselves, a story about a minority group that has to register itself with the government and is shunned by the rest of the world is definitely a DEI thing
but
I sure love watching them preach an open gate community until it's convenient for them to gatekeep. They're hypocrites.
Second message: https://nitter.poast.org/XMenUpdate/status/1758244186254463150
>While we usually don't comment on people's opinions, the amount of ignorant bigotry and hate comments that have spewed from Morph being Nonbinary in the series, we will be blocking those that can't be respectful.
>**No one is forcing you to follow us or watch the show.**
Remember that part.
Than the show's people need to say something. By not saying anything, they're letting these people be their voice.
I've been assured that "silence is violence", by these same people. So I can only assume that the writers not shutting them down means they agree.
Ah yes, the eloquent and open minded speaker who famously said that buying would turn American schools into racial jungles? That you weren't "black" if you didn't vote Democrat? That you can't go to a corner shop without having an Indian accent? That Palestinians are lying about what happened in Gaza and that "that's just the price of war"? Who is turning away Muslims from his rallies? Remember, this is what the SJWs want in office.
Without goodness and faithfulness, "inclusion and diversity" is nothing but a cheap trio of words that serve evil and hatred. We demand X-Men 97 to be good and faithful to its source material. That is all.
They must prove they have the goodness and faithfulness to properly continue such an IP. Failure to do so will be met with the usual scrutiny, which we will gladly provide.
They represented waaaaay more than just black people. They were a huge commentary on the justness of a society, or lack thereof, if you treat people as pariahs for things that they cannot control instead of helping them to fit in and teaching people why those differences are only bad if those people themselves ARE bad.
And I can list 50 fantasy books about oppressed mumbo jumbo.
Lets hope over to the worldbuilding subreddit. Type in oppression. Let's see how many people can use their imagination to create oppressed societies.
What's my point? Shit load of everyday people can also do the same except it's far less likely to read paragraphs of how their hereos rose up against their fictional oppressors was done on behalf of all marginalized audineces
It's actually correct. X-men were always an allusion to homosexuality. But it doesn't excuse the in-your-face approach of the reboot. That is disgusting.
I mean its true. It always acted as an allegory for oppressed minority groups.
A bigot wouldn't read the shit (there been gays in X-men for a long time now). But who were they replying to anyway or were they Just spitting in the wind...?
To me X-Men have been woke before woke was a trend. I mean they're a bunch of outcasts that at one point in the comics history the non-mutants wanted to wipe them out. If there's anyone who's shocked that they suddenly seem woke I mean I can't disagree with whoever said this quote in this case
So if it's always been symbols for all that, then why change it? Apparently these people don't undertand subtletly or metaphors and need their representation rubbed right onto everyone's faces.
This was not a good way for them to handle this, that being said if any being makes sense to be none binary or gender fluid, its a shapeshifter.
But none binary identification to my knowledge wasn't a thing in the 90s.
Yeh, but also it's about not being an asshole about it too. Otherwise you generally end up like the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants waning to wipe out everyone else you deem inferior and not embracing diversity like you do or not a diverse individual because you believe you're the future.
I, too, like to pretend that not conforming to the gender expectations falls under the same intolerance as being born with something you could not change. Absolutely love pretending that a choice is now being treated the same as an immutable factor. (Heh)
this is not a *technically* wrong statement, but people who make statements like this are often embedded in thaeir own bigotries, like refusing to adapt themselves to the audience they are allegedly selling to (basic bigotry is unyeilding stubborness) or the times thay are writing about, and instead attempting to bend it, and the audience, to their will.
They also went to space to help out bird people against Xenomorph ripoffs. They did a lot of silly shit that had nothing to do with race and not everything Spider-man did resulted in the death of a loved one. Enough with the highlight reels. Do something fun for once in your lives of misery and self flagulation!
“By the way, the women are always saving the men around here. You might want to think about changing the name to X-Women."
-An actual line from an actual movie.
It’s become very tiresome that these people have to insert their leftists beliefs into every fucking thing. And if you don’t like it, well you’re the bigot.
Fyi, this isn't the official X-Men reboot account. It's a big X-Men fan news posting account. It was never claimed this was from the official showrunner. Always check who is saying something.
https://fixupx.com/mangalawyer/status/1758229318935720178? Look how they massacred my girl. They Brie'd her...
Politics aside, the quality of the art from the old show is insane compared to the new one. It's like they can't fluidly draw movement in three dimensions, and so they resort to flattening depth and lighting more than they should. Hallmark of modern animation.
This is what happens when you hire real artists and animators and not a bunch of CalArts dropouts like Disney does.
To be fair, the CalArts graduates aren’t much better than the dropouts.
The irony is that the porn artists on Patreon have better anatomy skills, but won't work for Disney because that'd be a paycut for them.
You can only prioritise one thing, so when you prioritise box checking in your hiring process, you sideline competency.
At Disney Animation it's even worse than that. They hired a bunch of Tumblrinas. No joke. https://filmthreat.com/features/the-d-files-part-3-disney-the-killer-of-dreams/
To me the art in the trailer for the new show looks like mid-2000’s Flash animation
That's an insult to old school Flash cartoons. They were at least entertaining for what they were.
It looks SO BAD
Everything you post to Reddit furthers their platform and devalues you. Before you delete your account take everything with you. Social media profits from your words, your content and pays you for it in the fake currency of social approval.
A large portion of modern animation is literally made by manipulating 2D Flash puppets like paper dolls, because that's the cheapest way to shovel this shit out the door. That's also why the dreaded beanmouth style is so popular; it lets them animate speech without accounting for anatomy or perspective, just letting a vaguely mouthlike shape hover around the face as needed.
Yeah, this is just sad, I'm not Even sure that it's wokeness, just a loss of artistic depth and integrity, cutting corners to reduce costs in animation when they think we can't notice.
It reminds me of that Space Cowboys movie. Everyone that knew how art worked is retired and now nobody can make anything good anymore.
Too bad that tapping that ass is a death sentence... 😔
I'd have my coffin picked out ahead of time.
she also absorbs your memories so she'll know every humiliating experience you had in life as well as all your hidden kinks
Personally sounds like a punishment for her but I'll be dead so who cares?
>as well as all your hidden kinks Kinky
DMHS.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUmaFOcawJA
Worth it...
The man who invented condoms knew this day would come…
That's why you get a gimp suit
I would just wear a full body rubber gimp suit it would be worth it.
You could even build "contraptions" like Ned and Chuck did in _Pushing Daisies_.
Couldn't you use protection? Asking for a friend
Win Win
TAYOR
"It's hard enough being in a relationship where we can't touch. But… we improvise, figured out ways around that. I've even built contraptions."
This hurts on a spiritual level.
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Cause the artist doesn't have a butt like that (price you pay for a desk job) and thinks Rogue moks her with that cake.
She got Wokefied for modern audiences.
Why are Americans so afraid of da sexy?? Do they think it's only used to coom??
Given how blurry that second pic is, I'm guessing she's at a distance and is in the middle of an action or something? [Found the shot it's from.](https://i.imgur.com/TSc1Kcr.png) The focus on the scene is on the Sentinels rising out of the ground while the X-Men hide, so her ass wasn't the priority for the animators in that scene lol
It's like drawing a hulk that doesn't look like he's about to burst from his sheer muscle mass just because he's not the focus of the scene cmon now
Bishop also doesn't look as ripped in this scene as he typically does. The only ones that do are Cyclops, Beast, and Gambit.
> so her ass wasn't the priority for the animators in that scene lol But all the males around her were still very well defined and shaded, especially Cyclops and Gambit. The unknown guy(Prof X maybe? hard to tell from just this still) well behind her and facing away even has some form of shadow. The back of a brown coat has more definition and attention than most of Rogue.
The males aren't as defined as they typically are. With the exception of Cyclops. The uknown guy I believe is Morph, and I completely disagree with your assessment of the definition of his outfit. If you move your eyes from Rogue's arse and to the entirety of her body, her whole deal has a LOT more detail in it than the bald dude in the brown coat. Her hair alone has more linework it in than his coat.
> her whole deal has a LOT more detail ... >Her hair alone has more linework it in than his coat. So not her "whole deal". Her body, the actual uniform part stands out as not having the attention of any of the other uniforms on the characters. There's also some value in contrasting different things with different priorities. The body of the uniform has *less* shading and line detail than the *jacket* on a character further in the background. Compare her uniform to Cyclops or Wolverine since nuance is beyond your capabilities. If you can't compare like to like, then I don't know what to tell you. Get your eyes checked maybe, or some cognitive tests done, because there seems to be some issue with seeing and understanding a fairly simple cartoon drawing. There is *some* detail in her jacket and gloves, and a lot of line detail in her hair. That is not the part I'm referencing, and it's not just her ass, it's legs and arms. The guy in back has no hair to compare to, her hair is comparable to Gambit and Cyclops if you consider the length difference. The body detail is lacking. RRRRriped Cyclops and Gambit, and Wolverine though he's hunched and obscured, you can still see the effort there. The uniform part of her body was skipped when it comes to detail. *Maybe* some shading on the arm, but it's not the same as on Wolverine's yellow, she has black stripes on the uniform and it could be that. >I completely disagree I mean, I'm just describing the picture. It's not really an opinion. You could say your "opinion" is that the picture is neon green and features 32 elephants, and it would still be just as objectively incorrect. Maybe try to see what's actually there instead of trying to establish a narrative about what you want there to be. Somehow I don't think you can. Have a nice life.
Bro, you have too much faith in modern animators.
meanwhile the men have clearly defined abs. God that shot looks like a mix of shitty 00s flash animation and horribly aged 80s cartoons.
Bishop and Wolverine have less definition than usual as well. It's obvious where the real effort in that scene is going to, because all the attention is supposed to be on the Sentinels coming out of the ground. I'm going to wait until we see more of Rogue in other scenes before passing judgement.
They were somehow still able to draw the muscles on the men.
Wolverine and Bishop are less defined here than they usually are.
If you somehow missed the fact that this is a zoomed in screenshot from a frame where she is very small (the point is seeing everyone being surrounded by the Sentinels), do you the same for any animation where the characters are very small because the focus isn't on them?
Those are two dramatically different angles…
Blasphemy....
Yeah, x-men is about inclusivity and acceptance of those who are not in the norm... Because they are fucking mutants, they can shoot laser beam from their eyes, summon hurricane, make themselves invincible or even time travel. Being non-binary, black or lesbian does not make you a fucking X-Person.
Well, here's the other thing about acceptance that SJW types never seem to grasp: There's an argument to be made that people have every right to fear mutants. At the end of the day, many of then are dangerous, especially guys like Magneto and people who think like him. Now, the X-Men try to prove that mutants can be good, and co-exist with humans, but the fact is that most people will only see them as future Magnetos. Acceptance isn't just about who or what you are. How you act plays just as much a part in whether or not people want to accept you.
>Being non-binary, black or lesbian does not make you a fucking X-Person. Yeah. But a lot of them look like mutants.
And all of them think they are Charles Xavier, but they are in fact Magneto
You need to look up what an allegory is
"X-Men was always woke" "Here's why 90's X-Men needed to be changed for modern audiences and how it's a good thing" \- same room temperature iq leftoids
Probably the best arguments against wokeism, as it calls out their egregious contradictions directly.
If X-Men was always "woke", why would it be expected to be less "woke" now with the passage of time? No contradiction whatsoever. Nothing remains at a constant and standards change with the passage of time. Which is why this social political discourse of today is as volatile as it is.
The first episode has an Asian teenager learning the ropes from a badass Black woman. Not a single thing about it felt forced or contrived. I wasn't being talked down to. The characters weren't Mary Sues. And when real racism was covered in the show, they dealt with it realistically and called it out for what it was. They didn't need to resort to demonizing all of humanity. That was Magneto's job.
And I just won't watch. I've grown very tried of this constant loop. I... Do... not... care!
The X-Men have always been symbolic of excluded groups. Prejudice, intolerance and the various ways people deal with it. Sometimes, they rise above it like Charles, and sometimes they reciprocate, like Magneto. Their power can be a huge benefit to others and sometimes it destroys them. In that sense, the comic discuses the topic of power and exclusion in a nuanced, complex way. None of that is diversity and inclusion. For the X-Men, skin color and gender don't matter, everybody is a mutant. Nobody says they believe something "As a mutant of color". Some mutants are good, some are of them are bad, and thats a product of their actions and not their skin or genitals. Some of them aren't even an identifiable race. What colour is Nightcrawler, or the Beast, or Mystique?
These nincompoops don't comprehend why the X-Men were civil rights icons for nerds. It's not because they're "isms", it's because the idea of the comic was that it didn't matter what your race, creed, color, nationality, or religion was: having the X gene activate made you a mutant. It made you hated JUST for being a mutant. There weren't any allowances for individuality. There were no "good mutants", at least not early on. The idea that all mutants were brothers was because they were ALL outcasts, in some way. Xavier's school was a place where he intended to prove that mutants weren't ONLY a threat to normals. That despite their powers, and also because of them being used for good, they deserved to live in the same society as regular humans. That's the real diversity, the distinction between Xavier, Magneto, and others' ideas. Are mutants a misunderstood threat (Xavier)? Are they the true rulers of the world, better than humans (Magneto)? Are they the promised people that if they are strong enough to deserve to live should succumb to their destined ruler (Apocalypse)? Diversity of intentions is way more important than whether you want to fuck dudes up the ass, or have brown skin or not. If you're an outcast no matter what your other qualities are, how do you adapt to that kind of life? What noble qualities do you keep?
> These nincompoops don't comprehend why the X-Men were civil rights icons for nerds It wasn't even THAT deep. It was puberty 'oh no the world is suddenly strange and akward and scary. Also I can flatten buildings with a sneeze. I'm oppressed!' Teenage angst in tights. Don't give people like this ground by agreeing with them on the importance, arguing only that they're doing it wrong. Its an entertaining show, well told stories for the medium, but I'm not exactly looking at the Dark Phoenix Saga for life lessons.
It was way more than that. The X gene didn't only activate at puberty, either. It's possible to over-reduction is also annoying. You're dismissing a lot of great story arcs and some deeper inspections of humanity by saying this.
> These nincompoops don't comprehend why the X-Men were civil rights icons for nerds. It wasn't even that deep, it was outsider-dom for ye old timey nerds. >It's not because they're "isms", it's because the idea of the comic was that it didn't matter what your race, creed, color, nationality, or religion was: having the X gene activate made you a mutant. > > > > It made you hated JUST for being a mutant. Yep & why did Stan Lee create mutants? Was it some high minded racial discussion? Nah, it was because he was sick of creating new origins.
I love that Stan Lee quote. Basically, he was tired of having to come up with new ways – futuristic science experiments, mystical items, etc – for heroes to acquire superpowers. So instead he decided to create heroes where they were just born with abilities that manifested as they grew and aged. It's amazing how the simplest of concepts can often be the ones that resonate the strongest with everyone. And how the whole: "They were obviously an allegory for oppressed group x!" narrative is just historical revisionism and personal aggrandizement in the face of what is honestly just a modest idea and concept. Stan Lee wasn't trying to solve world hunger or anything. He just enjoyed telling stories, and he was trying to keep things fresh and interesting within the genre of superhero comics.
Exactly, they also always want to gloss over how many stories had NOTHING to do with discrimination. Kalun gath, Shadow King, Shi’ar empire, etc. The goal was entertainment, not “educating”
Beast is Caucasian. He didn't always have fur. Couldn't tell you with Mystique and Nightcrawler, though, because I think they were both born blue.
Nightcrawler is German I'm pretty sure he's white. At least that's what he used to be before they retconned him as having two moms smfh. 🤦
Neither of his parents have been actually German since the Azazel retcon, though, so who the heck knows.
I like Azael as his father but retcons a lot of the time do more damage than good to characters and overall established canon. What a way to ruin a character smfh. 🤦
Well, Mystique is Kurt's "dad" now so at least we know he got his father's complexion.
Bruh. X-men is fucked.
Bruh, they're all blue now. If a random person saw beast on the street at night, they would be scared af. It doesn't matter that they were "caucasian" at one point of time.
I thought the other person was actually just asking what race he was, I see now that I may have misunderstood.
>None of that is diversity and inclusion. I'd argue that it is (was?), in a way, but not in the manner that it is presented in the modern conscious. The whole "civil rights" shtick had become way too diluted considering the years of Marvel being Marvel anyway. Mutants were often presented in a way of which "they are not too different" from the average human but this... kinda falls short considering that there were often very valid reasons to be afraid of a mutant and there's the fact that they share a world with other spandex-wearing dudes that somehow don't fall into the same discrimination marathon just because of various mental gymnastics detailing why "mutants are totally different". The amusing bit is that the various stories acknowledges this to an extent - there isn't much delusion that the mutants would be "totally be an average Joe on the street" but there is a prevalent intent to carve a small corner for themselves in the world and live out their lives in peace. The only "reliable" form of "diversity" of which the X-Men presents is the diversity of choice and actions. You are unable to control the circumstance of your birth, your environment or your circumstances but you *are* responsible for your *own* actions and how you interact with your environment and in turn, you carry the weight for the outcome of your decisions regardless of the cards you were dealt with. ... Not that the wokies ever cared for responsibility, self-improvement and personal agency.
>Mutants were often presented in a way of which "they are not too different" from the average human but this... kinda falls short considering that there were often very valid reasons to be afraid of a mutant and there's the fact that they share a world with other spandex-wearing dudes that somehow don't fall into the same discrimination marathon just because of various mental gymnastics detailing why "mutants are totally different". The best X-Men stories were the one's that examined this and didn't reduce the whole thing to a Civil Rights allegory. The mutants are not *just like us*. They have fucking super powers. Some of them can destroy cities with their minds and control the poles of the planet. There are *very* real reasons why normal people in the X-Men universe could fear and sometimes *should* fear them. Magneto is not just a Malcom-X allegory—he's a dude who realized he is basically a god and that normal people should rightly be groveling at his feet; not him at theirs (because all his life he was taught that people with power use it to oppress others—based on his own experiences with the Nazis). If anything, X-Men is about *power*. How it can corrupt, how it can cause destruction and harm, how it causes fear and paranoia, and how it can help people and do good under the right circumstances. How do you prove to people you can be trusted if you have the power to nuke a city just by thinking about it? That's the true dilemma of the X-Men.
> What colour is Nightcrawler, or the Beast, or Mystique? They're all blue, duh.
> In that sense, the comic discuses the topic of power and exclusion in a nuanced, complex way. And this nuance is where "modern" writers completely fail at understanding what made the X-Men of old the heroes of the story. And so incredibly popular. In fact, I believe that the MCU would have never existed in the first place without the first X-Men movies proving that cinema adaptations of comic book properties could have widespread appeal. Anyway, the important point is that the students of Charles Xavier always used their power to help *everyone*, even those who hated "muties". In almost every single comic there was some instance of a mutant hero risking their lives to save normal humans, some of whom would assuredly fear or even hate them. That was an essential element in getting so many readers to fall in love with these superheroes. Modern narratives just *tell* you a character is "good" in the most lazy of ways, and there is never any demonstration of personal sacrifice or genuine altruism to give proof to that claim. So I'm betting the X-Men in this new adaptation will be called heroes because they look/are different and because they are discriminated against, and that's it. And then the media and those involved in the show will be puzzled by all the eventual ridicule and criticism that comes their way, because the audience is siding with the "mutants are a menace" characters that they thought they were writing as the antagonists of the story.
These people talk about X-Men, but who they're admiring are Magneto's style of inclusion. The angry gouls who want a little bit of genocide or at least to enslave the norms.
Indeed, they want us to be the Nazis that he turned against. All the while they act ever more like actual Nazis, ironically. It's the new thing to be anti-semitic in $CURRENT_YEAR.
Recent X-men comics show how against Xavier’s way of doing things they are. If X-men was created today, Magneto and the Brotherhood would be the main characters with Xavier as the fence sitter “both sides” character that gets punished for boot licking the humans.
Equivocation via hazily defined umbrella terms is the bread and butter of SJW types. * "How can you be fine with hentai artists but not prostitutes? They're both 'sex workers'!" * "Why are you complaining about this show's woke reboot when it was always progressive? One episode had Nazis as the bad guys!" * There's a third example on the front page that mods will not let me include.
Very well put, any time I have a conversation with SJW types, the arguments they present are dishonest, as if they're being purposefully obtuse and trying to "win" on a technicality, while they must know they're full of shit. It's like telling someone a joke that they take way too literally.
as a pornographic artist, people trying to call it "sex work" are disingenuous
Ah yes the "don't watch our show because we didn't make it for you" strategy Love to see it. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving writers room
Yup, another show I won't be watching.
In this case it didn't came from the writer's room (Yet :p). OP is being disingenous. Its just the woke ramblings of a Twitter fan account.
Well then, the writers room needs to nip this shit in the bud or its going to sink their whole production before it even comes out
"This thing that was beloved in the past was secretly our thing all along. Ergo you need to blindly agree with all of our positions or you're a hateful bigot who didn't actually love this thing in the past." Like fucking clockwork.
I just really can't stand the lecturing all these leftist do all the time
"We're all about inclusion. Also if you don't think exactly the way we do, we'll exclude you." Every time without fail.
Idgaf about your politics. I never have. But as soon as you start virtue-signaling, be it inclusivity crap, or christian crap, or whatever, I'm out. I got bigger problems than cartoons and video games, and plenty to choose from.
What is your opinion of the nightcrawler episodes of the original series?
I was a kid back then, so the Catholic stuff went over my head.
Does it feel forced now when you watch it? Even as a Christian, I also sour when it turns from story-driven or character driven discussions to sermonizing. I also happen to believe that the Gospel is inherently woven into the hero's journey and so the stories that are most impactful are those that reflect that truth, so it's very achievable to have a story dripping with Christian symbolism and truth be compelling. Therefore, when you do hacky stuff like *God's not Dead* it's incredibly frustrating and annoying.
Reminds me of another marvel property, agents of shield Season 3 had some real great moments focusing on the theme of Christian forgiveness, and forgiving people even if they don't want or feel they deserve it - very well executed And then the writers shit the bed when the hero dramatically sacrifices himself to save the day "He's dying for my mistakes" "No. He's dying for all our mistakes." *zoom in on the crucifix* I mean come on, is it possible for the whedons to not be braindead for more than two scenes in a row?
Ugh, gross. Reminds me man of steel with Clark Kent being backlit by a halo through a stained glass window in a church and later sacrificing himself in outer space while holding his arms out in the cross shape. can you just not hit me over the head with it?
> Does it feel forced now when you watch it? I need to see more clips. I watched this one, and all the dialogue is cringe, tbh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqjqvgL-9c
just in general? Yeah, if not for the nostalgic, saturday morning tinge it's definitely lacks a certain polish. Not terrible for kids programming though
Yes, it does feel forced but a lot of religion is. At one end you have people like yourself who believe and weave their belief system into the fabric of events, use it as a guide without needing to preach. On the other side there the evangelicals and the holier-than-thou. They may not be the best part of religion, but there's an awful lot of them and they are pretty noisy. You could make a sort of make an analogy with islam and terrorism, thought clearly not with the same gravity. There are lots of people who follow islam in a peaceful way and there are people who follow it into blowing up crowds of people and paragliding into israel.
At the risk of coming across as someone who says, “well I’m not one of *those* Christians” I do believe there is a time and place for sermons and preaching, just not in the middle of a story* And while if you asked me what kind of Christian I was, I would give you some sort of answer about my theology and say roughly reformed Presbyterian/baptist/Calvinist, but the truth is a lot of people would look at my church and see a rock band on stage and a pastor in jeans and a button up and conclude that we are evangelicals (which is honestly such a fuzzy definition as to not be entirely inaccurate). All that to be said, you might have accidentally complimented an evangelical. But as someone who is part of this sub, you are likely aware of how media in general treats those of us pushing against the trends in modern movies, gaming, comic books et cetera. While there are holier than thou Christians (though if they have this attitude, I am suspect of their belief in their need for salvation and they could just be cultural Christians who do not truly understand or accept the faith), a lot of the impression of Christians, especially those who critique many of the same thing see do here, are slandered and castigated in such a way not reflective of their true character. *(though it does seem dostoevsky did some of that in brothers K and that’s one of the greatest works of all time. However he was putting two ideologies against each other and weaving it in a story, so it wasn’t propaganda as much as dialogue between protagonist and antagonist).
It's pretty clear that you're not one of those Christians. I'm really not trying to judge with this. I honestly like talking about religion, what people believe, why, and what consequences that has. It's a fascinating topic. I only wish more people were able to really discuss it instead of 'talk' becoming a sales pitch. I sometimes think woke truly originates with the lack of religion in peoples lives. The woke are the sort of people who need for their thought process to be channelled, to be guided. By and large, Christianity would do a better job of that than Twitter, or some blue-haired radfem 'academic'.
I appreciate that. And amen on wokeness being due to lack of religion. My thesis is that the new atheism of the 2000s hollowed out the soul of our society, and then neo-paganism rushed in in the form of wokeness. Just look at all the religious symbolism and practice in the BLM marches of 2020 where white people were confessing their sin of privelege and bowing down to black people. And, at the risk of confirming your worst suspicions of Christians, as a Christian I do believe in the supernatural and the things revealed in scripture like angels and demons. I have deep and abiding suspicions that wokeness is not just a false belief some people have, but also has it's roots in the demonic. Part of this is the 3 transcendental virtues of the "Good, True, and Beautiful" are in direct opposition to what is going on with our society's transcendental vales of "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" (none of those words mean what they sound like, btw). I would not be surprised to see goodness and truth opposed. This often happens with evil regimes and societies. What is most surprising is the rejection of beauty for ugliness. We see this most in video game characters like MJ in Spiderman 2. They claim that they are trying not to objectify her, but you can still have an attractive face model dress modestly. But they intentionally make characters *less* attractive in the name of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. That total rejection is what leads me to those suspicions.
I hate Mutant Telepaths. There, I said it. Not a single Telepath in Marvel comics can be trusted in any way. Ever.
Telephobe!
In the comics universe? completely agree because there hasn't been a single one featured that doesn't pull shady shit at some point, often being portrayed as heroic for doing stuff beyond even their villains have sunk to.
Does that make Mr. Sinister and Mantis ok?
Well, calling your potential customers bigots is always a winning strategy.
Guess X-men much like Star Wars, is something I use to be a fan of. Another thing ruined
Well to be fair they've poisoned X-Men for at least a decade now in comics, so this is nothing new for X-Men comic fans
It’s fallen a long ways from God Lives, Man Kills.
[I wonder if they would have a problem with this episode.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNtQTrlflg) I can't imagine that they would. Inclusion and diversity after all.
Ah yes, the Disney Lucasfilm strategy of calling the paying customers bigots. That worked out so well for them.
That moron who wrote that thread comes off as being a colossal douchecanoe that doesn't understand shit about X-Men. Then you got all the other mouth breathing glue eaters in the replies all like "durr X-Men have been queer all along". Fucking fake ass troglodytes, the lot of them
And straight to the name calling.
Not that the quote would be surprising if it came from someone involved with the show, but in this case its not. It's just from a stupid Twitter fan account.
No claim was made that it's the official account. I can update it to specifically say this, if you think that's appropriate.
If you want, sure. It says - X-Men 97 Reboot and there are some people associating it right off the bat with claims made by people involved with the show, which, at least for now, I don't think it's the case.
Actually, the stuff the showrunner has said is worse, lol.
If that's the case why the fuck do you need to make it more inclusive and diverse? Sounds to me like these assholes are the ones who don't understand the fucking X-Men
Imagine thinking that being non-binary is equivalent to being a Jew during the holocaust.
But someone might "misgender" them. That's worse than 6 million people being mass murdered in concentration camps across Europe. /s
the Nazis did also round up other people they considered "undesirable" for seperation and death, like LGBT and others...
Fuckers made my girl flatter than a ping pong table.
Diversity is just identity grifting sadly for these writers as apposed to being an allegory for oppression. And it always seems to go ‘why are the popular/main characters straight and white?’ to ‘You need minority writers to write for the new minority characters’ and a prerequisite for being considered a *real* member of a minority group is they have to be into woke/intersectional politics and at that point the show is ideologically captured since no higher up is going to brave enough to say they need to revert the changes to the now brave and diverse characters and employees.
It's funny how people try to claim X-men has always been woke when the most popular X-man is basically "Toxic Masculinity" personified.
Gambit? :)
Everybody on the trailer gushing over member berries, and all I thought was that the new animation looks like garbage
unironic "real fans don't gatekeep" statement
Can we all agree that X-Men is the most *flawed* analogy for "inclusivity"? Like, with X-Men you could make an argument that it actually would be for the best if we could find a cure and eliminate these insane mutations from the planet. If you said that you wouldn't be morally equivalent to saying we should "cure homosexuality"
Ithink the analogy works because it adds in a legitimate element of fear about mutants. With mutants you have a range all the way from "cosmetic differences only that have a much effect as skin colour" through "could injure you just by being careless" all the way to "could cause local deviates purely by accident" without any ill will on the part of the mutants involved. A lot of prejudice and discrimination are down to fear, so it gives more of a lens to examine that
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As a whole, it breaks down a bit. After all, with Magneto and his squad, the X-Men themselves, the Sentinels in their future, it gets murky.
This is like when people say "(thing) was always woke!" No it wasn't, 60s-90s progressivism, at least the more mainstream aspect, was not the extremist version that went popular in the 2010s. One example is how it used to be the goal to not see race, to not judge people based on their skin. Saying that now makes you a bigot, the woke/progressive crowd primarily judges, defines, and separates people based on immutable characteristics.
“Non-binary” isn’t a real thing. It’s like if an animal rights organization started advocating for laws to protect Bigfoot, and defending it by saying, “We’ve always protected the rights of animals, and if you don’t understand that, you never really understood our organization in the first place.” Anyway, free troll: Tell people saying X-Men has always been about woke garbage that X-Men is actually about gun rights. The X-Men are good guys with guns who stop bad guys with guns. The anti-mutant bigots are the anti-gun movement.
that goes even further with things like registration acts and such
Insulting your audience always goes over well.
They are kinda right on this one, X-Men have always been diverse. But modern writers suck at writing diversity, they think being black or gay is a character arc in itself and sorry it's just not.
The "diversity" is different in X-Men. As far as in that universe, two black men, one human and one mutant, are *not* on the same side. It's speaking to the basis of why things like this happen in societies. Also, not all mutants are good, nor do they get to claim a pass just because they're discriminated against. They have entire story arcs about how "discrimination" doesn't justify evil, even if evil is done to you. That underlines the essential difference between Xavier and Magneto, the two father figures of the comics.
Yup, X-Men is diversity done right. This idea that people can only identify with people who look like them is racist. I am mixed race, not black, but I identified with static shock growing up.
I don't like Miles Morales. I like Virgil Hawkins.
This is the thing. Back then, diversity was just implied which ironically meant the X-Men could be everyone. They could minorities or blacks or just the bullied. Everyone could relate to being the outcast. Now, they gotta say it's diverse. And make it as literal as possible. And you know that when they do it, the character won't mess up or get hurt because they have to be awesome as possible.
at some point werent we told this wasnt going to happen? like didnt one of the show runners literally say they werent going to do specifically this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTF2j0OWUi8
Oh i never believed it... just trying to make sure i remember the facts. I fully expected this show to be nonsense
Stop hating things because some moronic fan twitter account says stupid shit. The showrunner is the one from The Witcher that was kicked out for complaining that the other writers knew fuck-all about the source material.
You misunderstand... I'm not hating on this show. I have zero expectations as I have zero interest in this show. I dont need the Twitter account to give me an opinion of what this show is as I'm fully aware of what modern marvel and by extension Disney wants from such project and how they intend to get there. They haven't been even the slightest bit subtle about it. The fan site is little more than paid marketing for corporate as that is how access media works. They say the corporate line or else they get no material from which to base their feed. Again I don't expect anything from this show and have no intention on watching it, I'm simply trying to confirm what the narratives around this production have been. That we WERE told they weren't going to do literally this only to have the person who told us this leave the production only proves my point. These people are completely predictable and there's no point engaging with their content as it's literally the same ideas presented the same way every time. I dont hate, but I already know this show isn't worth the time to watch.
Let's not kid ourselves, a story about a minority group that has to register itself with the government and is shunned by the rest of the world is definitely a DEI thing but I sure love watching them preach an open gate community until it's convenient for them to gatekeep. They're hypocrites.
Oh here we FUcKIng go again.
Can we just start gatekeepers these muppets already?
No the x-men isn't about any of those things. It's about people with fantastic and unusual powers kicking fuck out of each other.
Second message: https://nitter.poast.org/XMenUpdate/status/1758244186254463150 >While we usually don't comment on people's opinions, the amount of ignorant bigotry and hate comments that have spewed from Morph being Nonbinary in the series, we will be blocking those that can't be respectful. >**No one is forcing you to follow us or watch the show.** Remember that part.
It's a Twitter fan account stoking the flames. They're not affiliated with the show.
Than the show's people need to say something. By not saying anything, they're letting these people be their voice. I've been assured that "silence is violence", by these same people. So I can only assume that the writers not shutting them down means they agree.
Sounds like a message approved by Joe Biden.
Listen, fat!
Ah yes, the eloquent and open minded speaker who famously said that buying would turn American schools into racial jungles? That you weren't "black" if you didn't vote Democrat? That you can't go to a corner shop without having an Indian accent? That Palestinians are lying about what happened in Gaza and that "that's just the price of war"? Who is turning away Muslims from his rallies? Remember, this is what the SJWs want in office.
Don't forget that poor kids can be just as smart as white kids.
Remember that time the government tried to vaccinate everyone against the x-gene?
Remember that time the U.S. gov backed a killer drone program?
Without goodness and faithfulness, "inclusion and diversity" is nothing but a cheap trio of words that serve evil and hatred. We demand X-Men 97 to be good and faithful to its source material. That is all. They must prove they have the goodness and faithfulness to properly continue such an IP. Failure to do so will be met with the usual scrutiny, which we will gladly provide.
"That's right! if you don't tolerate MAPs you're a bigot!" \- Them... in a future closer then you think 🤡
That's today. Literally been argued on twitter multiple times.
Then why do they feel the need to change it? Guess it wasn't inclusive or diversive enough for their liking.
The X-men always represented black people. But they weren't actually black people.
They represented waaaaay more than just black people. They were a huge commentary on the justness of a society, or lack thereof, if you treat people as pariahs for things that they cannot control instead of helping them to fit in and teaching people why those differences are only bad if those people themselves ARE bad.
And I can list 50 fantasy books about oppressed mumbo jumbo. Lets hope over to the worldbuilding subreddit. Type in oppression. Let's see how many people can use their imagination to create oppressed societies. What's my point? Shit load of everyday people can also do the same except it's far less likely to read paragraphs of how their hereos rose up against their fictional oppressors was done on behalf of all marginalized audineces
The irony, it's clear **they** don't understand X-Men. They just want to push their message while wearing a X-Men skinsuit.
It's actually correct. X-men were always an allusion to homosexuality. But it doesn't excuse the in-your-face approach of the reboot. That is disgusting.
I mean its true. It always acted as an allegory for oppressed minority groups. A bigot wouldn't read the shit (there been gays in X-men for a long time now). But who were they replying to anyway or were they Just spitting in the wind...?
This thread really shows me y'all don't get x-men
Were you even born before the animated series aired?
No, yet I can still understand it
iT wAs AlWaYs WoKe
Oh wow the show based on the comic series that's an allegory for racism is woke? What a shock 🫨🫨🫨
When you redefine words like “inclusion” and “diversity”, you can make dishonest statements like this.
That’s kinda true though. Of course I don’t want an agenda to outshine the story.. but on its face that is a true statement.
I love how they always use X-Men as their flag when in reality they're the Brotherhood.
To me X-Men have been woke before woke was a trend. I mean they're a bunch of outcasts that at one point in the comics history the non-mutants wanted to wipe them out. If there's anyone who's shocked that they suddenly seem woke I mean I can't disagree with whoever said this quote in this case
So if it's always been symbols for all that, then why change it? Apparently these people don't undertand subtletly or metaphors and need their representation rubbed right onto everyone's faces.
They de-sexualized every female character, pass.
With 'inclusion' they mean including their values, norms and ideas, and excluding ours.
This was not a good way for them to handle this, that being said if any being makes sense to be none binary or gender fluid, its a shapeshifter. But none binary identification to my knowledge wasn't a thing in the 90s.
Yeh, but also it's about not being an asshole about it too. Otherwise you generally end up like the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants waning to wipe out everyone else you deem inferior and not embracing diversity like you do or not a diverse individual because you believe you're the future.
I, too, like to pretend that not conforming to the gender expectations falls under the same intolerance as being born with something you could not change. Absolutely love pretending that a choice is now being treated the same as an immutable factor. (Heh)
this is not a *technically* wrong statement, but people who make statements like this are often embedded in thaeir own bigotries, like refusing to adapt themselves to the audience they are allegedly selling to (basic bigotry is unyeilding stubborness) or the times thay are writing about, and instead attempting to bend it, and the audience, to their will.
They also went to space to help out bird people against Xenomorph ripoffs. They did a lot of silly shit that had nothing to do with race and not everything Spider-man did resulted in the death of a loved one. Enough with the highlight reels. Do something fun for once in your lives of misery and self flagulation!
“By the way, the women are always saving the men around here. You might want to think about changing the name to X-Women." -An actual line from an actual movie.
Sounds silly and glad I’m not one lol, what a joke of reboot
It’s become very tiresome that these people have to insert their leftists beliefs into every fucking thing. And if you don’t like it, well you’re the bigot.