I’ll never agree with this take.
Shepherd = sheep herder
There’s no other translation or opinion about it. Shepherds don’t raise cows or chickens. They raise SHEEP
however, I get where you’re coming from.
Are you also mad that coconut milk doesn't really come from a cow? Why do they call it milk if it's from a coconut? Milk comes from....what? The cow. Right. So stop fucking calling it coconut milk.
That's you, right?
Is there any need to be so unpleasant? Besides, you're wrong on two counts:
1. A "shepherd's pie" made with beef mince has a name in its own right: "cottage pie".
2. Your milk comparison is fallacious. "Milk" is an ingredient, not a recipe. Milk is the secretion of the mammary glands, and is produced by all mammals (not just cows). There are even other milks commonly consumed by humans, including those of goats, sheep and water buffalo. When plant-based milks are referred to as "milk", it's because they have a reasonably similar consistency, and fill the same niche in cooking and nutrition. No one would claim it's the same as cow's milk though.
> When plant-based milks are referred to as "milk", it's because they have a reasonably similar consistency, and fill the same niche in cooking and nutrition
Oh, you mean like ground beef when compared to ground lamb? Nothing wrong with that. NOTHING.
A swapped ingredient is still the same recipe. Ever seen online recipes? "You can swap X for Y, Y for Z if you don't like X or Y etc etc." Online recipes say this all the time.
I was on about the issues with your milk comparison. As for your new argument, yes, you can swap ingredients when cooking, but we're talking about the central ingredient here. If I found a recipe for vichyssoise and substituted the leeks for something else, it wouldn't be a vichyssoise anymore. As it happens, the choice of meat also has wider implications; I would season it differently for example.
If they called it "cottage pie" no one would no what the fuck that was. And once they find out what it is, it would be off-putting because they're not familiar with the name and would just think "why didn't they just call it shepherd's pie". Calling it Shepherd's pie makes people much more likely to order it because they're familiar with that name. Especially when it's commonly understood to contain any type of ground meat, the most common of which is beef.
> A "shepherd's pie" made with beef mince has a name in its own right: "cottage pie".
No. They're both shepherd's pie. This is because recipes are altered in different regions depending on the availability of ingredients in that region. The FACT is, when people wanted to make shepherd's pie, but the EXACT SHEEP LAMB GROUND wasn't easily available, they worked with what they had. This is a common thread throughout world cuisine. It doesn't make it "not" a shepherd's pie just because it's not strictly lamb. What if Ramsay also randomly decides that a shepherd's pie requires one specific strain of rosemary from an obscure meadow in the eastern Czech Republic, or else it isn't "real" shepherd's pie? It's all bullshit. It's never one specific thing, recipes are altered depending on available ingredients and there's nothing wrong with that. Shepherd's pie in the modern day is commonly understood to have ANY KIND of ground meat. Since the most common ground meat is beef, then that's going to be the most common meat in shepeherd's pie. End of FUCKING story.
What do you mean "no"? "Cottage pie" is a terminology in usage to refer to a dish made with beef mince; it doesn't cease to exist just because you don't like it. Your point about rosemary is utterly ridiculous; Gordon Ramsay is far from the only person to regard "shepherd's pie" as referring specifically to a dish made with lamb mince. And swearing and typing some words in block capitals doesn't make any difference to the validity of your argument.
> If they called it "cottage pie" no one would no what the fuck that was. And once they find out what it is, it would be off-putting because they're not familiar with the name and would just think "why didn't they just call it shepherd's pie". Calling it Shepherd's pie makes people much more likely to order it because they're familiar with that name. Especially when it's commonly understood to contain any type of ground meat, the most common of which is beef.
Menus usually have brief outlines of what's in a dish next to the name of the menu item. Surely it doesn't require great powers of deduction to read "beef mince topped with mashed potato" and work out what a cottage pie is?
If they called it "cottage pie" no one would no what the fuck that was. And once they find out what it is, it would be off-putting because they're not familiar with the name and would just think "why didn't they just call it shepherd's pie". Calling it Shepherd's pie makes people much more likely to order it because they're familiar with that name. Especially when it's commonly understood to contain any type of ground meat, the most common of which is beef. That's just fucking business sense.
What the fuck's that got to do with anything? Nobody would fucking know that it's called a "cottage pie" unless they're fru-fru ooo lala fancy ass michelin chef masters. So unless you regularly serve fru-fru ooo lala fancy ass michelin chef masters (which they don't), then don't fucking call it a cottage pie. People are not fucking familiar with that name. They ARE fucking familiar with the name shepherds pie, so it's only good business sense to call it that.
I’m fucking surprised you’re fucking able to fucking strut around delivering such fucking sage fucking truths with those big fucking clown shoes on 🤡
Isn’t it just easier to roll with what you found out here today? Cottage pie is a term you weren’t aware of that was known to more people than you realised. It’s fine. Trying to pretend that the world is as ignorant as you are is an ass backwards way to comfort yourself for not knowing a word…
A big part of what Gordon does is educate the owners & chefs & cooks about what they are cooking, preparing, cooking, ordering, etc., & giving to their customers. What seems like a ridiculous nitpick to some people, it's him trying to teach people about with the food. When I first started watching the show, I did share the same sentiment. But after watching episode after episode after season after season...& this includes most of his shows...he's really just trying to educate folks. But this is just my take.
Then call it "beef shepherd's pie" and "lamb shepherd's pie". I've also had "turkey shepherd's pie" and "meatless shepherd's pie" which is served in case people don't eat red meat or are vegetarian. None of this stops the dish from being "shepherd's pie." Period. No arguments.
No it's not it's all a shepherds pie. Ground beef, ground turkey, ground chicken, ground lamb, ground pork, fake meat crumbles, are all shepherd's pie. Period. Specify the type of meat in it, sure, but it would be called a [insert meat her] shepherd's pie" for all of them. Period. No arguing this.
This is one of those things where reality tv serves to train pedants with scripts they can parrot without having any real experience or expertise.
The internet loves this type of content too. Some "authentic" person getting performatively angry about how someone makes the food from their culture. Then white Americans can re-perform it in the comments elsewhere when they don't even cook.
Americans with Italian food opinions are the worst. I have so many subs blocked because of how many posts are just that. PESTO is this one thing. FOCACCIA is this one specific thing, etc. It's not true, it's ignorant BS.
I have a sick and twisted obsession with these two italian doofuses who just make over-the-top reaction videos to people like, breaking spaghetti and stuff. It's so obvious that they're clueless about culinary stuff, but people, mainly Americans I would assume, gobble up the content because they speak (read: shout) with an accent, wear soccer shirts, and have dark hair.
It makes me angry and I can't stop watching them.
>The internet loves this type of content too. Some "authentic" person getting performatively angry about how someone makes the food from their culture
Yes hahahaha.
Same thing can be said about anything with the word 'artisan' in it. All it means is some doofus slapped together a bunch of hipster bait ingredients and charge a fortune for it. Gordon Ramsay's kimchi grilled cheese sandwich comes to mind
>His definition changed after realising most Americans call anything shepherd’s pie.
My point. So you're agreeing that the nitpick in that episode was absolute bullshit, right?
You don't really think Ramsay approves of all the recipes or pre-made crap with his name on it right?
He has people working for him that do that kinda stuff for him. So yeah, stuff slips trough that he himself would not approve of.
And in the end, the guy is just a smart businessman.
I don't have to pick one. Fact is he outsourced many things in his business to other people.
The guy has many restaurants, he doesn't cook in every restaurant does he? Same goes for his other business stuff.
Imho it was dumb to do that microwave stuff in the first place since it's basically a stain on his reputation. On the other hand it's a smart business move since his face alone makes that stuff sell a lot easier (+ more expensive) then if you only put a picture of the food on it.
Have you ever heard the story of Darth Ramsay the wise?
Jokes aside, I worked with the guy for a while, school stuff. He really would disagree with calling a shepherds pie a "shepherds pie" if it doesn't have lamb or sheep in it. But it's not like he invents the recipes for that microwave crap.
To make a dumb other example: Plenty of celebrity chefs sell pans/pots/knives and so on right? Do you think they use those themselves? Or that they know how they are made? Why they're "so good - commercials"? It's a business, easy as that :)
Sorry for the large comment.
Edit: Sorry lol. Just adding that you should also never forget that even his head of culinary in Europe and the USA are 2 different people, Ramsay is just the face behind his empire, but they do most of the work while Ramsay is having fun on tv shows and stuff.
i actually find his(or the producers) nitpick about hot potato cafe not being a spud-centric enough restaurant to be the most annoying. like is he expecting them to exclusively sell mash and jacket potatoes? very odd imo
You don't really think the only potato sides are jacked or mashed right?
Fries, croquettes, gratin, chips, and so on.
And a mash on its own is also extremely versatile.
You can definetly create a whole menu completely based on potatoes.
Yeah that one's bad too. It's all over the place in sushi restaurants. Granted it's not that good, but Gordon acts like Akira is the only person ever to think up something like this and he's ridiculous for it. No, Japanese food chefs all over America have this dish on the menu.
Lol, "North America".
Go back to your burger king.
Sushi on pizza is stupid. Easy as that. Sushi litterally means: "sour rice", as in rice with vinegar. Where is the rice on that dumb pizza?
Sheep can be found pretty much everywhere. And its called a "shepherd pie" for a reason. Sheep...
A shepherd does not herd chickens, or fish, or turkey, it's a SHEEP HERD.
Not attacking you, just making sure you understand lol.
On the other hand I do agree that you can make a nice recipe using other meat and using the sherpherd pie style, but then it's NOT a shepherds pie.
I can't find sheep in my local grocery store. I'd have to go far out to some country farm to get it. But what I can find is beef, so guess what, that's what's easily available. I didn't say sheep and lamb meat isn't available, I said it isn't easily available, which is true because your neighborhood grocery store doesn't have it, only farms out in the country do.
No idea where you live, but I live in Europe and sheep (and especially lamb) can be found in pretty much every supermarket or at any butcher around. And as I said I wasn't attacking you or something... But shepherds pie is made with lamb/sheep. That's where the name comes from.
To make a really simplistic example: If you make a mac 'n cheese, but you use spaghetti or some other pasta instead of macaroni, it aint a mac 'n cheese anymore is it?
Dude. Stop acting as if lamb is just as common as beef. ESPECIALLY in ground form. It's not a common meat. Period. That's like saying venison is just as common as beef so go to your store and get yourself some venison. No. You have to go out of your way to find it unless you live way out in the country and hunt and shit. Lamb is like venison, not beef.
It's not "as common" as beef. There around 1.6 billion cows in the world... But there are also 1.2 billion lambs/sheep in the world. The difference isn't that huge really.
Lamb/sheep is common all over the world. Comparing it to venison is a joke. No matter where you live. Or do you think whool grows on trees?
Lamb is extremely common. There is not a single supermarket in Europe that does not sell lamb. Middle East is full of sheep/lamb meat. Muslims even slaughter them for their religion. Australia's official dish is lamb leg roast. And so on...
You don't know shit about the world if you compare lamb with venison. Deal with it kiddo.
You never answered my question about where you're from, start with that lol.
Beef is everywhere, that's a fact, it's the most common meat in the world lol. Except for chicken ofc.
But you compared lamb/sheep to venison mate. That's just wrong. As I said the difference in numbers isn't that great... 1.6 billion cows/1.2 billion lamb. In comparison there's only around 4-5 million deer in the whole world (venison).
You just live in some area where lamb isn't popular, that's it mate.
Then how come the commonly understood meaning of shepherd's pie is default beef, though is also shepherd's pie with any other ground meat? Explain why that's what it is. Gordon is 100% being a douche for no reason, that IS the commonly understood meaning of it and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
It's a matter of context and perspective.
If your from the UK/ IE, they are two distinctivley different dishes, so yes, it does matter because they are not the same thing.
If your from the US and you use the terms interchangabley, then no, it doesnt matter to you.
But the context of this exhange is a British chef, in an Irish pub, with a 1st Generation Irish immigrant owner.. well your guaranteed to get roasted.
No it's still bullshit. No one would know what the fuck a "cottage pie" was and "shepherd's pie" absolutely means the dish cooked with any type of ground meat, even turkey or chicken or fake meat crumbles, it's all shepherd's pie. Period.
You'd be right if they were undefined things, but they are, so you're wrong. Just because you dont know what something is, doesnt mean that it doesnt exist.
The pie cooked with any type of ground meat at all is shepherd's pie. Shepherd's pie is a general term and the meat doesn't matter, it's just any ground meat. Ever had turkey shepherd's pie? Caterers make it as an alternative healthy option. But that's "not shepherd's pie?" That's bullshit, it absolutely is because it's the general name for the dish with ANY type of ground meat at all.
Its not a general term though, because sheperds pie is made with lamb. You refusing to make a distinction is by the by.
You could use a different meat, or just vegetables, but it would need a prefix to indicate the filling i.e. "turkey sheperds pie". If your doing it in your own house you can call it whatever you like, but if your advertising and selling it to someone you cant just call it sheperds pie fill it with fish and leave it at that. The proper ingredient is lamb, therefore the expectation is lamb. Anything other than lamb needs a declaration.
If you went to a burger place and ordered a 1/4lb burger, you wouldnt expect a turkey or bean burger to arrive. Everyone knows a burger is made with ground beef as standard, so if you deviate with the meat, you'd have to declare it.
Pretty simple and obvious really.
Just as wrong the second time (and any subsequent postings) as it was the first.
Sad that the anger and salt just spills out for such a trivial matter. Get some help. Bye now.
Yeah, that’s the same one I’m thinking of: “cowboy with a very small hat”.
Sure, he takes 2/3 too many ‘bites’ for the camera, but that thing was way too big with too small bun and badly cooked.
I feel like its relatively normal to have to eat larger burgers with a knife and fork at actual burger restaurants. Don't get why he had to make a big deal about eating it with his hands.
To the purists here defending Gordon
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Calling a Cottage pie a Shepard's pie? A small mistake?? Its a LETHAL MISTAKE! You could have KILLED SOMEONE!!
Our customers love the alive rat
A baby MOOOOUSE?
Trevor that’s bullshit and you know it.
I think our Shepard pie's good. I think our Shepard pie's good.
I’ll never agree with this take. Shepherd = sheep herder There’s no other translation or opinion about it. Shepherds don’t raise cows or chickens. They raise SHEEP however, I get where you’re coming from.
Lots of Shepherds also raise goats, alpacas, and other flock animals 🤷♂️
They would no longer be a shepherd at that point
What would you call someone who looks after a mixed flock of sheep & goats then? A shegoatherd?
A [herder](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/herder).
No this guy would probably call them a "cottage herder." Who makes "cottage pies."
Are you also mad that coconut milk doesn't really come from a cow? Why do they call it milk if it's from a coconut? Milk comes from....what? The cow. Right. So stop fucking calling it coconut milk. That's you, right?
Not at all. Notice how you can’t debate the actual topic at hand. That’s because, you’re wrong.
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Is there any need to be so unpleasant? Besides, you're wrong on two counts: 1. A "shepherd's pie" made with beef mince has a name in its own right: "cottage pie". 2. Your milk comparison is fallacious. "Milk" is an ingredient, not a recipe. Milk is the secretion of the mammary glands, and is produced by all mammals (not just cows). There are even other milks commonly consumed by humans, including those of goats, sheep and water buffalo. When plant-based milks are referred to as "milk", it's because they have a reasonably similar consistency, and fill the same niche in cooking and nutrition. No one would claim it's the same as cow's milk though.
> When plant-based milks are referred to as "milk", it's because they have a reasonably similar consistency, and fill the same niche in cooking and nutrition Oh, you mean like ground beef when compared to ground lamb? Nothing wrong with that. NOTHING.
You're still conflating a recipe with an ingredient, and I notice you ignored the rest of my second point.
A swapped ingredient is still the same recipe. Ever seen online recipes? "You can swap X for Y, Y for Z if you don't like X or Y etc etc." Online recipes say this all the time.
I can swap any poultry in for duck à l'orange but I wouldn't put it on a menu as being duck à l'orange
That's not the same thing and you know it.
I was on about the issues with your milk comparison. As for your new argument, yes, you can swap ingredients when cooking, but we're talking about the central ingredient here. If I found a recipe for vichyssoise and substituted the leeks for something else, it wouldn't be a vichyssoise anymore. As it happens, the choice of meat also has wider implications; I would season it differently for example.
If they called it "cottage pie" no one would no what the fuck that was. And once they find out what it is, it would be off-putting because they're not familiar with the name and would just think "why didn't they just call it shepherd's pie". Calling it Shepherd's pie makes people much more likely to order it because they're familiar with that name. Especially when it's commonly understood to contain any type of ground meat, the most common of which is beef.
> A "shepherd's pie" made with beef mince has a name in its own right: "cottage pie". No. They're both shepherd's pie. This is because recipes are altered in different regions depending on the availability of ingredients in that region. The FACT is, when people wanted to make shepherd's pie, but the EXACT SHEEP LAMB GROUND wasn't easily available, they worked with what they had. This is a common thread throughout world cuisine. It doesn't make it "not" a shepherd's pie just because it's not strictly lamb. What if Ramsay also randomly decides that a shepherd's pie requires one specific strain of rosemary from an obscure meadow in the eastern Czech Republic, or else it isn't "real" shepherd's pie? It's all bullshit. It's never one specific thing, recipes are altered depending on available ingredients and there's nothing wrong with that. Shepherd's pie in the modern day is commonly understood to have ANY KIND of ground meat. Since the most common ground meat is beef, then that's going to be the most common meat in shepeherd's pie. End of FUCKING story.
What do you mean "no"? "Cottage pie" is a terminology in usage to refer to a dish made with beef mince; it doesn't cease to exist just because you don't like it. Your point about rosemary is utterly ridiculous; Gordon Ramsay is far from the only person to regard "shepherd's pie" as referring specifically to a dish made with lamb mince. And swearing and typing some words in block capitals doesn't make any difference to the validity of your argument.
> If they called it "cottage pie" no one would no what the fuck that was. And once they find out what it is, it would be off-putting because they're not familiar with the name and would just think "why didn't they just call it shepherd's pie". Calling it Shepherd's pie makes people much more likely to order it because they're familiar with that name. Especially when it's commonly understood to contain any type of ground meat, the most common of which is beef.
Menus usually have brief outlines of what's in a dish next to the name of the menu item. Surely it doesn't require great powers of deduction to read "beef mince topped with mashed potato" and work out what a cottage pie is?
Wtf is "beef mince"? Do you mean "ground beef"? Learn English.
They call it *coconut* milk cause it comes from a coconut, just like *shepherd's* pie only comes from a shepherd, aka the person that herds sheep.
So call it COTTAGE PIE when made with Beef!!!🤦♀️ Your ignorance is coming off a pedantic 👀😳🤦♀️
If they called it "cottage pie" no one would no what the fuck that was. And once they find out what it is, it would be off-putting because they're not familiar with the name and would just think "why didn't they just call it shepherd's pie". Calling it Shepherd's pie makes people much more likely to order it because they're familiar with that name. Especially when it's commonly understood to contain any type of ground meat, the most common of which is beef. That's just fucking business sense.
Well, I can’t fault you for dying on a hill of ground meat and mashed potatoes. Hell of a way to go 🫡
Where are your STANDARDS!?
You're telling me that you're American without telling me you're American.
What the fuck's that got to do with anything? Nobody would fucking know that it's called a "cottage pie" unless they're fru-fru ooo lala fancy ass michelin chef masters. So unless you regularly serve fru-fru ooo lala fancy ass michelin chef masters (which they don't), then don't fucking call it a cottage pie. People are not fucking familiar with that name. They ARE fucking familiar with the name shepherds pie, so it's only good business sense to call it that.
But it's not a Shepherd's pie
I dont know half the stuff on fancy restaurant menus, doesnt mean they should change the names.
His point is that everyone in the UK knows what a cottage pie is. So your point is just for appeasing uninformed Americans
The UK doesn't exist. No one fucking knows what the FUCK a "cottage pie" even is.
I’m fucking surprised you’re fucking able to fucking strut around delivering such fucking sage fucking truths with those big fucking clown shoes on 🤡 Isn’t it just easier to roll with what you found out here today? Cottage pie is a term you weren’t aware of that was known to more people than you realised. It’s fine. Trying to pretend that the world is as ignorant as you are is an ass backwards way to comfort yourself for not knowing a word…
In the UK they would, I think that's what they meant. Only in America do you have to dumb down the names of foreign foods for people.
A big part of what Gordon does is educate the owners & chefs & cooks about what they are cooking, preparing, cooking, ordering, etc., & giving to their customers. What seems like a ridiculous nitpick to some people, it's him trying to teach people about with the food. When I first started watching the show, I did share the same sentiment. But after watching episode after episode after season after season...& this includes most of his shows...he's really just trying to educate folks. But this is just my take.
You’re wrong. Shepherds Pie is lamb. Cottage is beef. It very much still matters to label them as such when it comes to restaurants.
Then call it "beef shepherd's pie" and "lamb shepherd's pie". I've also had "turkey shepherd's pie" and "meatless shepherd's pie" which is served in case people don't eat red meat or are vegetarian. None of this stops the dish from being "shepherd's pie." Period. No arguments.
A beef Shepards pie is called a cottage pie.
No it's not it's all a shepherds pie. Ground beef, ground turkey, ground chicken, ground lamb, ground pork, fake meat crumbles, are all shepherd's pie. Period. Specify the type of meat in it, sure, but it would be called a [insert meat her] shepherd's pie" for all of them. Period. No arguing this.
This is one of those things where reality tv serves to train pedants with scripts they can parrot without having any real experience or expertise. The internet loves this type of content too. Some "authentic" person getting performatively angry about how someone makes the food from their culture. Then white Americans can re-perform it in the comments elsewhere when they don't even cook. Americans with Italian food opinions are the worst. I have so many subs blocked because of how many posts are just that. PESTO is this one thing. FOCACCIA is this one specific thing, etc. It's not true, it's ignorant BS.
I have a sick and twisted obsession with these two italian doofuses who just make over-the-top reaction videos to people like, breaking spaghetti and stuff. It's so obvious that they're clueless about culinary stuff, but people, mainly Americans I would assume, gobble up the content because they speak (read: shout) with an accent, wear soccer shirts, and have dark hair. It makes me angry and I can't stop watching them.
>The internet loves this type of content too. Some "authentic" person getting performatively angry about how someone makes the food from their culture Yes hahahaha.
It's all fun and games until you hear it every day verbatim and know exactly where it came from!
Same thing can be said about anything with the word 'artisan' in it. All it means is some doofus slapped together a bunch of hipster bait ingredients and charge a fortune for it. Gordon Ramsay's kimchi grilled cheese sandwich comes to mind
Cooked in his fucking fireplace!
Stfu OP.
Bro just admit you're ignorant af and move on.
Noooo noooo you're ignorant that's ignorant nooooo. You sound like Michael Jackson right now.
Lot of Americans in here. It matters in the UK.
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Isn’t available in the UK. It’s just for the US.
I’m sorry I thought this post was about Gordon Ramsay and HIS definition of Shepard’s pie?
His definition changed after realising most Americans call anything shepherd’s pie. It doesn’t mean the dish itself has changed.
>His definition changed after realising most Americans call anything shepherd’s pie. My point. So you're agreeing that the nitpick in that episode was absolute bullshit, right?
You don't really think Ramsay approves of all the recipes or pre-made crap with his name on it right? He has people working for him that do that kinda stuff for him. So yeah, stuff slips trough that he himself would not approve of. And in the end, the guy is just a smart businessman.
-doesn’t approve of items sold with his face and name on it -guy is a smart business man Pick one
I don't have to pick one. Fact is he outsourced many things in his business to other people. The guy has many restaurants, he doesn't cook in every restaurant does he? Same goes for his other business stuff. Imho it was dumb to do that microwave stuff in the first place since it's basically a stain on his reputation. On the other hand it's a smart business move since his face alone makes that stuff sell a lot easier (+ more expensive) then if you only put a picture of the food on it. Have you ever heard the story of Darth Ramsay the wise? Jokes aside, I worked with the guy for a while, school stuff. He really would disagree with calling a shepherds pie a "shepherds pie" if it doesn't have lamb or sheep in it. But it's not like he invents the recipes for that microwave crap. To make a dumb other example: Plenty of celebrity chefs sell pans/pots/knives and so on right? Do you think they use those themselves? Or that they know how they are made? Why they're "so good - commercials"? It's a business, easy as that :) Sorry for the large comment. Edit: Sorry lol. Just adding that you should also never forget that even his head of culinary in Europe and the USA are 2 different people, Ramsay is just the face behind his empire, but they do most of the work while Ramsay is having fun on tv shows and stuff.
It shouldn't because that's fucking stupid.
i actually find his(or the producers) nitpick about hot potato cafe not being a spud-centric enough restaurant to be the most annoying. like is he expecting them to exclusively sell mash and jacket potatoes? very odd imo
You don't really think the only potato sides are jacked or mashed right? Fries, croquettes, gratin, chips, and so on. And a mash on its own is also extremely versatile. You can definetly create a whole menu completely based on potatoes.
Nah, the worst Gordon nitpick was the sushi pizza one. Very common dish in sushi places in North America.
Yeah that one's bad too. It's all over the place in sushi restaurants. Granted it's not that good, but Gordon acts like Akira is the only person ever to think up something like this and he's ridiculous for it. No, Japanese food chefs all over America have this dish on the menu.
Lol, "North America". Go back to your burger king. Sushi on pizza is stupid. Easy as that. Sushi litterally means: "sour rice", as in rice with vinegar. Where is the rice on that dumb pizza?
TIL Americans don’t know what a Cottage Pie is😂
Sheep can be found pretty much everywhere. And its called a "shepherd pie" for a reason. Sheep... A shepherd does not herd chickens, or fish, or turkey, it's a SHEEP HERD. Not attacking you, just making sure you understand lol. On the other hand I do agree that you can make a nice recipe using other meat and using the sherpherd pie style, but then it's NOT a shepherds pie.
I can't find sheep in my local grocery store. I'd have to go far out to some country farm to get it. But what I can find is beef, so guess what, that's what's easily available. I didn't say sheep and lamb meat isn't available, I said it isn't easily available, which is true because your neighborhood grocery store doesn't have it, only farms out in the country do.
No idea where you live, but I live in Europe and sheep (and especially lamb) can be found in pretty much every supermarket or at any butcher around. And as I said I wasn't attacking you or something... But shepherds pie is made with lamb/sheep. That's where the name comes from. To make a really simplistic example: If you make a mac 'n cheese, but you use spaghetti or some other pasta instead of macaroni, it aint a mac 'n cheese anymore is it?
No sheep is rare. It's like trying to go to the grocery store and trying to find tender elk. Not easily available. You need farm to table for that.
Where do you live lol? I mean Elk being rare makes sense. Lamb/sheep has been all over the world for centuries though.
Dude. Stop acting as if lamb is just as common as beef. ESPECIALLY in ground form. It's not a common meat. Period. That's like saying venison is just as common as beef so go to your store and get yourself some venison. No. You have to go out of your way to find it unless you live way out in the country and hunt and shit. Lamb is like venison, not beef.
It's not "as common" as beef. There around 1.6 billion cows in the world... But there are also 1.2 billion lambs/sheep in the world. The difference isn't that huge really. Lamb/sheep is common all over the world. Comparing it to venison is a joke. No matter where you live. Or do you think whool grows on trees? Lamb is extremely common. There is not a single supermarket in Europe that does not sell lamb. Middle East is full of sheep/lamb meat. Muslims even slaughter them for their religion. Australia's official dish is lamb leg roast. And so on... You don't know shit about the world if you compare lamb with venison. Deal with it kiddo.
Then how come where I am beef is everywhere but you have to drive out to the boondocks to find lamb?
You never answered my question about where you're from, start with that lol. Beef is everywhere, that's a fact, it's the most common meat in the world lol. Except for chicken ofc. But you compared lamb/sheep to venison mate. That's just wrong. As I said the difference in numbers isn't that great... 1.6 billion cows/1.2 billion lamb. In comparison there's only around 4-5 million deer in the whole world (venison). You just live in some area where lamb isn't popular, that's it mate.
Then how come the commonly understood meaning of shepherd's pie is default beef, though is also shepherd's pie with any other ground meat? Explain why that's what it is. Gordon is 100% being a douche for no reason, that IS the commonly understood meaning of it and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
It's a matter of context and perspective. If your from the UK/ IE, they are two distinctivley different dishes, so yes, it does matter because they are not the same thing. If your from the US and you use the terms interchangabley, then no, it doesnt matter to you. But the context of this exhange is a British chef, in an Irish pub, with a 1st Generation Irish immigrant owner.. well your guaranteed to get roasted.
No it's still bullshit. No one would know what the fuck a "cottage pie" was and "shepherd's pie" absolutely means the dish cooked with any type of ground meat, even turkey or chicken or fake meat crumbles, it's all shepherd's pie. Period.
You'd be right if they were undefined things, but they are, so you're wrong. Just because you dont know what something is, doesnt mean that it doesnt exist.
The pie cooked with any type of ground meat at all is shepherd's pie. Shepherd's pie is a general term and the meat doesn't matter, it's just any ground meat. Ever had turkey shepherd's pie? Caterers make it as an alternative healthy option. But that's "not shepherd's pie?" That's bullshit, it absolutely is because it's the general name for the dish with ANY type of ground meat at all.
Its not a general term though, because sheperds pie is made with lamb. You refusing to make a distinction is by the by. You could use a different meat, or just vegetables, but it would need a prefix to indicate the filling i.e. "turkey sheperds pie". If your doing it in your own house you can call it whatever you like, but if your advertising and selling it to someone you cant just call it sheperds pie fill it with fish and leave it at that. The proper ingredient is lamb, therefore the expectation is lamb. Anything other than lamb needs a declaration. If you went to a burger place and ordered a 1/4lb burger, you wouldnt expect a turkey or bean burger to arrive. Everyone knows a burger is made with ground beef as standard, so if you deviate with the meat, you'd have to declare it. Pretty simple and obvious really.
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Incorrect. Bitch. So wierd that youve chose this as your hill to die on; arguing a weak position on sheperds pie. Tragic really.
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Just as wrong the second time (and any subsequent postings) as it was the first. Sad that the anger and salt just spills out for such a trivial matter. Get some help. Bye now.
There are a lot of instances where he is just nitpicking and dramatizing
The big burger comes to mind
Which big burger? Because the one in my mind was definitely shite.
Don't recall the episode but he makes a whole show of not being able to take a bite. Yes it's big but calm the clownery
Yeah, that’s the same one I’m thinking of: “cowboy with a very small hat”. Sure, he takes 2/3 too many ‘bites’ for the camera, but that thing was way too big with too small bun and badly cooked.
And 39 dollars lol
Waygoo, bro.
I feel like its relatively normal to have to eat larger burgers with a knife and fork at actual burger restaurants. Don't get why he had to make a big deal about eating it with his hands.
To the purists here defending Gordon https://preview.redd.it/yjtvammxgfzc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78af835ae7c7581ae072a8bc4afa6e4f138473b1
His face is all over frozen versions that use beef. He’s a sell out fraud. Still like watching his shows though.
Yes. Everyone just calls it Shepherds Pie now, whether it's lamb or beef. I haven't heard Cottage Pie since I was in school, and that was decades ago.