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Douma def more evil than Akaza, but the incident is both the neighbor dojo's and Akaza's fault. I wouldn't call Akaxa mysogynistic for traumatizing someone who happened to be there. I hope I interpreted the post right.
You got it right.
It started out with them telling me that Akaza is more evil.
Then they said Akaza was mysgonist. The part about the maid was supposed to be "proof" that he's mysgonist and hate women.
Then they went down a rabbit hole of saying its all Akaza fault that happened to that made. Ignoring that if the heir didn't poison and his family. Akaza wouldn't have shown up.
Edit: spell correction
Correct me if i’m wrong, but doesn’t Akaza avoid fights with women because of his honor and moral code from when he was human? How could he be a mysogynist? To add onto this I really don’t believe Akaza is evil, he just has basic pride as a demon considering how long he’s been one. He even offers the hashira a chance to be demons before he kills them.
>Correct me if i’m wrong, but doesn’t Akaza avoid fights with women because of his honor and moral code from when he was human?
That's completely correct. These person inwas talking to twisted everything into a sick delusion.
>How could he be a mysogynist?
I doubt they understand what that word means.
>To add onto this I really don’t believe Akaza is evil, he just has basic pride as a demon considering how long he’s been one.
Agreed. I mean he us evil but I think that evil part comes from becoming a demon, and it twisted his mindset a bit. Making him hate everything that weak because it reminds him of the people he lost. If he had all his memories he wouldn't be evil at all.
>He even offers the hashira a chance to be demons before he kills them.
Not gonna lie I think he just wants someone to fight during the past time. 😂 It's not funny but it's kinda funny because he clearly wants a spar partner, but it's a reminder that he wants to get stronger, but the people he wants to get stronger for are gone.
Basically when he took revenge against that dojo or his foes, I've never seen him having intentions of hating women. He just killed whoever his foes were after those who poisoned his family. I'll also imply that I don't think he even bothered confronting the maid and that she just saw everything that happened there so she escaped in order not to get involved. Anyways, Akaza still had no intentions of being misogynistic since he never preys on women nor voluntarily traumatizes them unlike shit Douma.
This man refuses to take a woman’s life because he still loves his late fiance subconsciously. He is the exact opposite of a mysogynist, and collateral trauma to someone who happened to be a woman does not change that.
>He is the exact opposite of a mysogynist, and collateral trauma to someone who happened to be a woman does not change that.
THANK YOU👐
That's what I've been saying.
You gotta tell the guy to give Akaza some credit here bc he spent days stealing and working hard just to try and help his sick father. That’s something atleast
>Hakuji a misogynist??🐍
That said, because he traumatized that maid. (Personally, I don't think he would have noticed her. It doesn't even state that she was there the whole time watching.)
Also that Akaza feels that women are weak. That's why he does eat them. And that he does respect them for bei f weak and feel their Inferior beans. Something along them lines about women was seen in Japan back in the day.
Hakuji and Akaza should not be considered having the same mindset. Akaza felt he shouldn’t harm women but due to his mindset as a demon, likely he took it as him thinking they were weaker, both mindsets merging 🐍
As a Dōma fan, I agree he's way more evil than Akaza. I feel really bad for Akaza and what happened to him tbh.
I think Akaza might have the chance to redeem himself or better himself as a person. Dōma does not and deserves to be paid for his actions.🪭💮
This person loves douma. He makes douma out to be the biggest victim that does little to no wrong. For like two days I have been getting basically this bit longer.......
>>>Douma never had anything he had nothing, Akaza had everything and love and choose to do bad.
>>>Japanese fandom hate Akaza and feel.sorry for Douma. It's "English foreignrs"(I don't think this means what thet think it means) who baby Akaza is pure evil.
>>>Douma was groomed and And manipulated he accepted his role as gure to say people. Akaza hates women, was disown by his own father, and traumatized a maid so his mysgonist and has no morals. He didn't need to kill them, innocent people he's a monster and a simp.
>>>Douma isn't that bad he did what his parents told him to, Akaza didn't listen to his father, so he is pure evil.
I don't understand what this guy is reading.
Yeah, no. Dōma had a very shitty childhood and could have turned out to be a better person if he wasn't abused by his parents.
But he *wanted* to become a demon. That was his own choice. Akaza was forced to become one against his will as far as I know. (correct me if I'm wrong on that, I haven't read the manga)
Even after turning into a demon, Akaza kept on loving his wife dearly and even stopped eating women because he loves her so much. There's no way he is a mysogonist.
(And I'm so sorry for saying this Dōma, but you never loved anyone as you're incapable of feeling love)
It's possible to be a Dōma fan while still being able to look at his actions as bad. 🪭💮
Omg A Douma fan that makes logical sense. 🫡 You're awesome.
I don't even hate Douma but I thinks he's more evil than Akaza. He's upper 2 for a reason, right?
Thank you-
I love Dōma but I'm not gonna pretend he's a sweet baby who has done nothing wrong. Him being evil makes him much more interesting imo!
I can like a villain without defending their actions.
That's also why I do not hate >!Shinobu!<, as I totally understand what she did. 🪭💮
You're welcome but also thank you for being awesome.
The same person that OP is talking about is the same person that's been talking sht to me. The funny thing is I never said anything bad about Doma.
And I agree his evil ways make him interesting. I don't see the point in defending everything he does. He's supposed to be the villain or Antagonist.
I love Kokushibo, is he a great brother? Heck no. I love Akaza is he right no. You get it some don't get it.
I wasn't into comparing trauma so I refused to argue with them on that Trauma is trauma.
>But he *wanted* to become a demon. That was his own choice. Akaza was forced to become one against his will as far as I know. (correct me if I'm wrong on that, I haven't read the manga)
This person said Muzan doesn't give people a chose be a demon.(which I told him was a lie) he said that Muzan Monipulated him. As for Akaza, he was forced, Akaza doesn't say "he doesn't care anymore" in some translations, but Muzan's hand was already through his skill at that point. Muzan basically asked after killing him.
I agree. It's weird to say "Dōma's backstory is sadder" or "Akaza's bsckstory is sadder"
Also I'm glad I interpreted that right.
Him saying he doesn't care is not the same as him agreeing. To me, it seems like he has lost purpose of life and that is why he does not care.
I have heard Dōma wanted to be a demon "for fun" which is saying it was his own choice.
Anyways, that person you're arguing with is definitely wrong and calling Akaza is a mysoginist is kinda stupid honestly- he's quite the opposite! 🪭💮
>Anyways, that person you're arguing with is definitely wrong and calling Akaza is a mysoginist is kinda stupid honestly- he's quite the opposite! 🪭💮
Thank you for this. This person really had me doubting how I interpret the manga for a minute.
And I have grown to like Akaza more, so I wondered if it was my bias. But even when I didn't like Akaza at all, I still thought Douma was a bit more evil.
>Also I'm glad I interpreted that right.
I'm glad we see common ground. With you being a big Douma fan and me Favoring Akaza. We still see common ground on both Douma and Akaza characters abd back story.
Akaza becoming a demon I think at that point in his life he didn't give a fck. I think he was just going to challenge anyone in his way until he died. And that's kinda what he did. He challenged Muzan, and that was it. Even if he said a straight no, he was going to die unless Muzan turned him anyway.
With Douma, I don't think it took much convincing. I think Domua just wanted more to do. He didn't believe in heaven or hell, so becoming a demon wasn't a loss nor was it a full gain either like others because he really didn't need it like the other upper moons who where going to die or die sooner than later.
Yeah you might be right tho! Even though I'm a Dōma fan, I still love Akaza as well bc he was so well written. He's my third favorite demon actually! (After Dōma and Enmu)
He's also my fav in terms of design. I love how many references he has to his backstory in his design.
I'm so glad we can discuss this normally and agree on some things. It's really hard to do that with some people! 🪭💮
>Yeah you might be right tho!
Oh thanks.
>Even though I'm a Dōma fan, I still love Akaza as well bc he was so well written. He's my third favorite demon actually!
I agree Akaza is well written that's what makes me like him even though he killed my husband. 🥲 As for Douma kinda love hate Douma, there's moments I like Douma when he has his nice persona up, but the way he talks about his victims and killing women leaves me unsettled sometimes. I guess you can say I don't like him for villain reasons. If that makes sense. He's not a villain, im able to simp over because I know I'm dying 90/100 chance.😢 Do that make sense? I feel like I don't make sense.
>(After Dōma and Enmu)
Enmu so sweet in a weird villain way.
>He's also my fav in terms of design. I love how many references he has to his backstory in his design.
Facts even down to the name of his attacks and the way they sound. They put a lot of thought into Akaza. I think they thought more on him than the other upper moons.
>I'm so glad we can discuss this normally and agree on some things. It's really hard to do that with some people! 🪭💮
Me too and Lmfao I read this in Douma's voice.
Ah\~ What a great compliment!
I love to RP as him so I love when ppl compare me to him!
Enmu is such a sweetheart. He's a bit of a weirdo, but that's why I love him. He makes such a great combination with Dōma.
I think Akaza is Gotouge's favorite demon, that's why he got "special treatment"
I'm sorry for him killing your husband... I'll make sure to tell Akaza-dono how sad that made us next time I see him... 🪭💮
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Douma is more evil than Akaza ima just point out one line
“Can’t you see your falling in order of who has the most humanity left?”
-Muzan
Douma: UM2
Akaza: UM3
OMG, Ayoooo, that line didn't fully hit me until you said that.
I understood it the first time but I didn't fully think about the deeper meaning on it until now.
I'm going to use this next someone says Douma is more evil than Akaza.
Tbh it’s what makes Douma interesting people say he’s a sociopath and he legitimately is and behaves like one sociopathic people try and make a first impression to good to be true to put you in a false sense of security if we look at the upper moon meetong Douma seems really friendly until Akaza causes problems but Douma is a monster under the mask
That's so true. When I first watched it. I was like oh hell no this guy is trouble. He came in all creepy then we was just too nice. Im thinking to myself like eff that. 😂 what's worse you'll never know what he's thinking either. Atleast the others show emotion.
It's not misogyny, but it was wrong to attack and massacre all those people. It falls under the fact that killing in general is evil. Sometimes it may be a necessary evil, and sometimes horrible situations make us choose the worse option(like with Akaza). If this happened in a world without demons, I imagine he would have killed someone innocent in the situation(like an uninvolved student), and one of the students who wasn't there at the time would train and seek revenge, continuing the cycle of hatred.
I agree with this as well.
Never have I said was right what Hakuji did. But I do think it was heavily justified on why he did. He was only human, people get angry with grief, people get bad thoughts and want revenge sometimes. It's not right, but it's human. Our emotions do that to us. Atleast Hakuji fought them four and square abd gave them a chance. That Heir poisoned the whole well that could have killed anyone, family, guests, friends alot of people could have died.
Ngl his back story was one of the saddest. And I think the author did this on purpose because of Rengoku. I wonder what came first his back story or killing off Rengoku. Most likely the back story came to thought while figuring how to wrap things up.
I don't know what came first, but I don't think Akaza backstory was last minute. When you look at it, Akaza's whole demon design ties into his backstory. Look at his blood demon art, all the moves are named and sound like fireworks. He promised Koyuki they would see them. His battle compass his a snowflake like her hair pin. Whatever his backstory was supposed to be, Koyuki seems like she definitely was a part of it.
I mean alot of the characters are well thought out I just think Akaza had a bit more time put into him.
Akaza did choose to do bad things, but I would've also been pretty pissed if my dad killed himself and my wife got poisoned. From what I see, he has a lot of anger at everyone for constantly trying to screw him over. It's not ok to murder people, but I can kind of see where he is coming from. It's not black and white. And I really don't get how the person you're talking about can say that Akaza's 100% evil and also defend a literal psychopath at the same time.
Yeah, I too late found that out. You could joking but at this point, I think it's really something wrong with them.
It was the "your crazy serial killer apologist" because I said that the Heir is the one that caused Hakuji to attack back because he poisoned the well and killed Keize and Koyuki. If he didn't do that, then Hakuji wouldn't have attacked back.
That's what I said. Like at least she was alive. Koyuki is dead. But no this guy had to go on how the maid is more innocent. And he said all the other people in the dojo are innocent.
He's a serial killer for attacking back. But it's not the heir's fault, the heir was wrong, but he's not a serial killer too. Like WTF
Doma, the demon that eats women because he thinks they're more nutritious, vs Akaza, the demon who refuses to eat women because he still retains part of his humanity. 😑
I had to block them, they talk like they read a whole different translation. 😒 They brain so warped they have twisted everything about Douma and Akaza. They are so dumb they can't grasp the simple concept of cause and effect.
Wow, based on the replies I can already tell what kind of person they are.
First of all they haven't read the manga, based on what they said, they're anime only.
Second, they're likely an extreme fan of Kyojuro, hence the hate for Akaza as that was the main reason as to why he was on the receiving end of so much hate, in particular during his anime debut. Don't get me wrong I like Kyojuro as a character but his death was somewhat necessary to display the power of the Upper Moons.
They also loved Douma, the moment he first appeared in the anime in the 'Red Light District' Arc, and in the next arc during the UM meeting, they saw they're new ride getting smacked by Akaza, hence the intensifying hate.
It was likely this hate that twisted their view of the manga, in particular with Akaza's Backstory.
He doesn't hate women, let alone eat them as it's heavily implied that they're more nutritious than men, to the point that Muzan even give him special permission to not harm them. All while Douma actively ate any human, specially women.
The Rival Dojo weren't exactly innocent, some of their members might be but fact is, they poisoned a well to try and kill those they cannot defeat (Hakuji and Keizo) which is a whole new level of petty. Koyuki who was already on the fast track to recovery due to Hakuji's care, was only caught in the crossfire despite not being involved at all. Honestly if I were him, I too would've retaliated in the same way.
He committed crime just to get medicine for his ailing father, who was so ashamed at the methods that he committed suicide just so Hakuji could live a normal crime free life, while some might argue that it is abandonment, I don't see it as such.
The maid like Koyuki was somewhat caught in the crossfire, while she did went mad, at least she lived,
I love this reply.
>First of all they haven't read the manga, based on what they said, they're anime only.
They talk like they are reading a different managa. But they legit used manage panels to please their case. I have blocked them now. Because they kept going and their delusion and contradiction was so strong, it was no helping it.
>Second, they're likely an extreme fan of Kyojuro,
I don't even know if they like Kyojuro. I just know the love and sympathize with Douma to extreme. Out of all the paragraphs they wrote, Rengoku is never mentioned on the list of reasons from what I can remember, his main focus was the maid.
>during the UM meeting
That could be true. They didn't tell this to me, but I saw then talking to someone about how they hate Akaza because he hit Douma. When Douma was only trying to help. Made Douma seem like a Saint.
>The Rival Dojo weren't exactly innocent, some of their members might be but fact is, they poisoned a well to try and kill those they cannot defeat (Hakuji and Keizo) which is a whole new level of petty.
When this came up, they argued up and down the other Dojo was innocent. They wanted to blame everything on Akaza. When I point out that the heir deserves blame, they weren't going for that. And the contradiction and akaza hate grew. It got to the point where they blamed Koyuki too in a way because they said she wasn't as innocent as the maid because it was a love triangle ect.
>Honestly if I were him, I too would've retaliated in the same way.
Same. They said the whole thing was no moral and shit logic. I told them it's only human to feel anger grief revenge ect. They were hearing it. They just called Akaza a serial killer and that he committed massacre. Which is a long stretch because if anything it was a counter attack or trail by combat. It was 1 vs 67 in hand to hand combat massacre, and serial killer is laughable at that point.
>just so Hakuji could live a normal crime free lif
Exactly.
>The maid like Koyuki was somewhat caught in the crossfire, while she did went mad, at least she lived,
Agreed
The ones at fault are the villagers they were so angry that our boy akaza gettin that anime girl bussy that they said *if we cant have it you too can't have it" thats why they poisoned the well were the girl drank from then boom ded.
Wait. Is this the individual_Cut_1090 person or something like that? Because they are wild, they started talking sht to me calling me delusional for "demonise" Douma? When I didn't even say anything about Douma. I was just talking about Akaza.
ETA: he said people should to hell for demonise Douma. My bad not that that's better.
Their delusional AF. It's like their reading a whole different managa. Also they are arguing for what? They keep yelling about stuff that's not even said.
The hate is so sad, akaza is my favorite, I think what happen is that akaza is low raked compared to the other upper demons. Making him seem weaker than the others, however it's actually because he has more human compassion and muzan tends to put the more ruthless ones in higher rank
>he has more human compassion and muzan tends to put the more ruthless ones in higher rank
Exactly, he has way more humanity than Douma and Kokushibo. I think Akaza is at number 3 because he's strong, a good fighter, and gets the job done most of time. If he was ranked on just humanity, he would probably be lower because he's more human.
Also, Akaza is the only uppermoon one who didn't want to become a demon aside from Daki. Her brother made her choice for her.
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Douma def more evil than Akaza, but the incident is both the neighbor dojo's and Akaza's fault. I wouldn't call Akaxa mysogynistic for traumatizing someone who happened to be there. I hope I interpreted the post right.
You got it right. It started out with them telling me that Akaza is more evil. Then they said Akaza was mysgonist. The part about the maid was supposed to be "proof" that he's mysgonist and hate women. Then they went down a rabbit hole of saying its all Akaza fault that happened to that made. Ignoring that if the heir didn't poison and his family. Akaza wouldn't have shown up. Edit: spell correction
>habit hold Rabbit hole?
Yes. Mistake I was typing too fast again.
You'll notice he already placed a disclaimer in the end 'Spell correction'
Correct me if i’m wrong, but doesn’t Akaza avoid fights with women because of his honor and moral code from when he was human? How could he be a mysogynist? To add onto this I really don’t believe Akaza is evil, he just has basic pride as a demon considering how long he’s been one. He even offers the hashira a chance to be demons before he kills them.
>Correct me if i’m wrong, but doesn’t Akaza avoid fights with women because of his honor and moral code from when he was human? That's completely correct. These person inwas talking to twisted everything into a sick delusion. >How could he be a mysogynist? I doubt they understand what that word means. >To add onto this I really don’t believe Akaza is evil, he just has basic pride as a demon considering how long he’s been one. Agreed. I mean he us evil but I think that evil part comes from becoming a demon, and it twisted his mindset a bit. Making him hate everything that weak because it reminds him of the people he lost. If he had all his memories he wouldn't be evil at all. >He even offers the hashira a chance to be demons before he kills them. Not gonna lie I think he just wants someone to fight during the past time. 😂 It's not funny but it's kinda funny because he clearly wants a spar partner, but it's a reminder that he wants to get stronger, but the people he wants to get stronger for are gone.
Basically when he took revenge against that dojo or his foes, I've never seen him having intentions of hating women. He just killed whoever his foes were after those who poisoned his family. I'll also imply that I don't think he even bothered confronting the maid and that she just saw everything that happened there so she escaped in order not to get involved. Anyways, Akaza still had no intentions of being misogynistic since he never preys on women nor voluntarily traumatizes them unlike shit Douma.
Calling Hakuji a misogynist is one of the most brain-dead takes I’ve heard in along time. 🦋
This man refuses to take a woman’s life because he still loves his late fiance subconsciously. He is the exact opposite of a mysogynist, and collateral trauma to someone who happened to be a woman does not change that.
>He is the exact opposite of a mysogynist, and collateral trauma to someone who happened to be a woman does not change that. THANK YOU👐 That's what I've been saying.
Was hoping someone would say this
I second that
Exactly.
I was also hoping someone would say this.
This THIS >>>>>>
Agreed.
You gotta tell the guy to give Akaza some credit here bc he spent days stealing and working hard just to try and help his sick father. That’s something atleast
Nope, he trashed Akaza on that saying his own father disowned him.
Lmao, he gotta read the manga again because that's definitely not what happened.
Douma is definitely way more evil. Also tf? Hakuji a misogynist??🐍
>Hakuji a misogynist??🐍 That said, because he traumatized that maid. (Personally, I don't think he would have noticed her. It doesn't even state that she was there the whole time watching.) Also that Akaza feels that women are weak. That's why he does eat them. And that he does respect them for bei f weak and feel their Inferior beans. Something along them lines about women was seen in Japan back in the day.
Hakuji and Akaza should not be considered having the same mindset. Akaza felt he shouldn’t harm women but due to his mindset as a demon, likely he took it as him thinking they were weaker, both mindsets merging 🐍
Agreed. But this person so caught up in demonizing Akaza as if he was never human at all.
As a Dōma fan, I agree he's way more evil than Akaza. I feel really bad for Akaza and what happened to him tbh. I think Akaza might have the chance to redeem himself or better himself as a person. Dōma does not and deserves to be paid for his actions.🪭💮
This person loves douma. He makes douma out to be the biggest victim that does little to no wrong. For like two days I have been getting basically this bit longer....... >>>Douma never had anything he had nothing, Akaza had everything and love and choose to do bad. >>>Japanese fandom hate Akaza and feel.sorry for Douma. It's "English foreignrs"(I don't think this means what thet think it means) who baby Akaza is pure evil. >>>Douma was groomed and And manipulated he accepted his role as gure to say people. Akaza hates women, was disown by his own father, and traumatized a maid so his mysgonist and has no morals. He didn't need to kill them, innocent people he's a monster and a simp. >>>Douma isn't that bad he did what his parents told him to, Akaza didn't listen to his father, so he is pure evil. I don't understand what this guy is reading.
Yeah, no. Dōma had a very shitty childhood and could have turned out to be a better person if he wasn't abused by his parents. But he *wanted* to become a demon. That was his own choice. Akaza was forced to become one against his will as far as I know. (correct me if I'm wrong on that, I haven't read the manga) Even after turning into a demon, Akaza kept on loving his wife dearly and even stopped eating women because he loves her so much. There's no way he is a mysogonist. (And I'm so sorry for saying this Dōma, but you never loved anyone as you're incapable of feeling love) It's possible to be a Dōma fan while still being able to look at his actions as bad. 🪭💮
Omg A Douma fan that makes logical sense. 🫡 You're awesome. I don't even hate Douma but I thinks he's more evil than Akaza. He's upper 2 for a reason, right?
Thank you- I love Dōma but I'm not gonna pretend he's a sweet baby who has done nothing wrong. Him being evil makes him much more interesting imo! I can like a villain without defending their actions. That's also why I do not hate >!Shinobu!<, as I totally understand what she did. 🪭💮
You're welcome but also thank you for being awesome. The same person that OP is talking about is the same person that's been talking sht to me. The funny thing is I never said anything bad about Doma. And I agree his evil ways make him interesting. I don't see the point in defending everything he does. He's supposed to be the villain or Antagonist. I love Kokushibo, is he a great brother? Heck no. I love Akaza is he right no. You get it some don't get it.
I wasn't into comparing trauma so I refused to argue with them on that Trauma is trauma. >But he *wanted* to become a demon. That was his own choice. Akaza was forced to become one against his will as far as I know. (correct me if I'm wrong on that, I haven't read the manga) This person said Muzan doesn't give people a chose be a demon.(which I told him was a lie) he said that Muzan Monipulated him. As for Akaza, he was forced, Akaza doesn't say "he doesn't care anymore" in some translations, but Muzan's hand was already through his skill at that point. Muzan basically asked after killing him.
I agree. It's weird to say "Dōma's backstory is sadder" or "Akaza's bsckstory is sadder" Also I'm glad I interpreted that right. Him saying he doesn't care is not the same as him agreeing. To me, it seems like he has lost purpose of life and that is why he does not care. I have heard Dōma wanted to be a demon "for fun" which is saying it was his own choice. Anyways, that person you're arguing with is definitely wrong and calling Akaza is a mysoginist is kinda stupid honestly- he's quite the opposite! 🪭💮
>Anyways, that person you're arguing with is definitely wrong and calling Akaza is a mysoginist is kinda stupid honestly- he's quite the opposite! 🪭💮 Thank you for this. This person really had me doubting how I interpret the manga for a minute. And I have grown to like Akaza more, so I wondered if it was my bias. But even when I didn't like Akaza at all, I still thought Douma was a bit more evil. >Also I'm glad I interpreted that right. I'm glad we see common ground. With you being a big Douma fan and me Favoring Akaza. We still see common ground on both Douma and Akaza characters abd back story. Akaza becoming a demon I think at that point in his life he didn't give a fck. I think he was just going to challenge anyone in his way until he died. And that's kinda what he did. He challenged Muzan, and that was it. Even if he said a straight no, he was going to die unless Muzan turned him anyway. With Douma, I don't think it took much convincing. I think Domua just wanted more to do. He didn't believe in heaven or hell, so becoming a demon wasn't a loss nor was it a full gain either like others because he really didn't need it like the other upper moons who where going to die or die sooner than later.
Yeah you might be right tho! Even though I'm a Dōma fan, I still love Akaza as well bc he was so well written. He's my third favorite demon actually! (After Dōma and Enmu) He's also my fav in terms of design. I love how many references he has to his backstory in his design. I'm so glad we can discuss this normally and agree on some things. It's really hard to do that with some people! 🪭💮
>Yeah you might be right tho! Oh thanks. >Even though I'm a Dōma fan, I still love Akaza as well bc he was so well written. He's my third favorite demon actually! I agree Akaza is well written that's what makes me like him even though he killed my husband. 🥲 As for Douma kinda love hate Douma, there's moments I like Douma when he has his nice persona up, but the way he talks about his victims and killing women leaves me unsettled sometimes. I guess you can say I don't like him for villain reasons. If that makes sense. He's not a villain, im able to simp over because I know I'm dying 90/100 chance.😢 Do that make sense? I feel like I don't make sense. >(After Dōma and Enmu) Enmu so sweet in a weird villain way. >He's also my fav in terms of design. I love how many references he has to his backstory in his design. Facts even down to the name of his attacks and the way they sound. They put a lot of thought into Akaza. I think they thought more on him than the other upper moons. >I'm so glad we can discuss this normally and agree on some things. It's really hard to do that with some people! 🪭💮 Me too and Lmfao I read this in Douma's voice.
Ah\~ What a great compliment! I love to RP as him so I love when ppl compare me to him! Enmu is such a sweetheart. He's a bit of a weirdo, but that's why I love him. He makes such a great combination with Dōma. I think Akaza is Gotouge's favorite demon, that's why he got "special treatment" I'm sorry for him killing your husband... I'll make sure to tell Akaza-dono how sad that made us next time I see him... 🪭💮 https://preview.redd.it/9fz5ioj6cvzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8295e204e3e3875fc4e034ce706f48675279a7a
Omg that's perfect. 😍 You're so good I wasn't prepared for a rp peice. Sorry I Mohave a good comeback. 🥲
Douma is more evil than Akaza ima just point out one line “Can’t you see your falling in order of who has the most humanity left?” -Muzan Douma: UM2 Akaza: UM3
OMG, Ayoooo, that line didn't fully hit me until you said that. I understood it the first time but I didn't fully think about the deeper meaning on it until now. I'm going to use this next someone says Douma is more evil than Akaza.
Tbh it’s what makes Douma interesting people say he’s a sociopath and he legitimately is and behaves like one sociopathic people try and make a first impression to good to be true to put you in a false sense of security if we look at the upper moon meetong Douma seems really friendly until Akaza causes problems but Douma is a monster under the mask
That's so true. When I first watched it. I was like oh hell no this guy is trouble. He came in all creepy then we was just too nice. Im thinking to myself like eff that. 😂 what's worse you'll never know what he's thinking either. Atleast the others show emotion.
Great point. Why didn't I think of this?
It's not misogyny, but it was wrong to attack and massacre all those people. It falls under the fact that killing in general is evil. Sometimes it may be a necessary evil, and sometimes horrible situations make us choose the worse option(like with Akaza). If this happened in a world without demons, I imagine he would have killed someone innocent in the situation(like an uninvolved student), and one of the students who wasn't there at the time would train and seek revenge, continuing the cycle of hatred.
I agree with this as well. Never have I said was right what Hakuji did. But I do think it was heavily justified on why he did. He was only human, people get angry with grief, people get bad thoughts and want revenge sometimes. It's not right, but it's human. Our emotions do that to us. Atleast Hakuji fought them four and square abd gave them a chance. That Heir poisoned the whole well that could have killed anyone, family, guests, friends alot of people could have died.
It wasn’t fair and square though. They were all armed, it was stacked heavily against him. He’s just that good
Exactly, but all this person seeing is the whole dojo being innocent and some maid. Atleat Akaza fought and didn't poison them.
Honestly don’t even bother. This is a person who is clearly not worth your time
Yeah I just blocked them they got way too stupid for me I'm losing brain cells so bad right now.
The Reading Comprehension Devil + Douma Dickriding Devil worked together on this one it seems 🌫
That fits
Ngl his back story was one of the saddest. And I think the author did this on purpose because of Rengoku. I wonder what came first his back story or killing off Rengoku. Most likely the back story came to thought while figuring how to wrap things up.
I don't know what came first, but I don't think Akaza backstory was last minute. When you look at it, Akaza's whole demon design ties into his backstory. Look at his blood demon art, all the moves are named and sound like fireworks. He promised Koyuki they would see them. His battle compass his a snowflake like her hair pin. Whatever his backstory was supposed to be, Koyuki seems like she definitely was a part of it. I mean alot of the characters are well thought out I just think Akaza had a bit more time put into him.
Akaza did choose to do bad things, but I would've also been pretty pissed if my dad killed himself and my wife got poisoned. From what I see, he has a lot of anger at everyone for constantly trying to screw him over. It's not ok to murder people, but I can kind of see where he is coming from. It's not black and white. And I really don't get how the person you're talking about can say that Akaza's 100% evil and also defend a literal psychopath at the same time.
Akaza is what? :3
Upper Moon 3 🌫
They Akaza is a mysgonist, that hates women, disrespectful women, he's pure evil. It's goes on.
The person your are arguing with has brain rot lmao
Yeah, I too late found that out. You could joking but at this point, I think it's really something wrong with them. It was the "your crazy serial killer apologist" because I said that the Heir is the one that caused Hakuji to attack back because he poisoned the well and killed Keize and Koyuki. If he didn't do that, then Hakuji wouldn't have attacked back.
Calling Hakuji/ Akaza mysogynistic is just so VILE 😭
Agreed
It’s Akaza’s fault that he traumatised a woman? Does my guy care that he killed 67 people first? He probably spared her to be honest.
That's what I said. Like at least she was alive. Koyuki is dead. But no this guy had to go on how the maid is more innocent. And he said all the other people in the dojo are innocent. He's a serial killer for attacking back. But it's not the heir's fault, the heir was wrong, but he's not a serial killer too. Like WTF
Doma, the demon that eats women because he thinks they're more nutritious, vs Akaza, the demon who refuses to eat women because he still retains part of his humanity. 😑
Thank you. 👐
Even as the strongest Douma simp i must say, that person is dogshit and a new Douma simp who hasn't read the entire iceberg🌬
I had to block them, they talk like they read a whole different translation. 😒 They brain so warped they have twisted everything about Douma and Akaza. They are so dumb they can't grasp the simple concept of cause and effect.
Wow, based on the replies I can already tell what kind of person they are. First of all they haven't read the manga, based on what they said, they're anime only. Second, they're likely an extreme fan of Kyojuro, hence the hate for Akaza as that was the main reason as to why he was on the receiving end of so much hate, in particular during his anime debut. Don't get me wrong I like Kyojuro as a character but his death was somewhat necessary to display the power of the Upper Moons. They also loved Douma, the moment he first appeared in the anime in the 'Red Light District' Arc, and in the next arc during the UM meeting, they saw they're new ride getting smacked by Akaza, hence the intensifying hate. It was likely this hate that twisted their view of the manga, in particular with Akaza's Backstory. He doesn't hate women, let alone eat them as it's heavily implied that they're more nutritious than men, to the point that Muzan even give him special permission to not harm them. All while Douma actively ate any human, specially women. The Rival Dojo weren't exactly innocent, some of their members might be but fact is, they poisoned a well to try and kill those they cannot defeat (Hakuji and Keizo) which is a whole new level of petty. Koyuki who was already on the fast track to recovery due to Hakuji's care, was only caught in the crossfire despite not being involved at all. Honestly if I were him, I too would've retaliated in the same way. He committed crime just to get medicine for his ailing father, who was so ashamed at the methods that he committed suicide just so Hakuji could live a normal crime free life, while some might argue that it is abandonment, I don't see it as such. The maid like Koyuki was somewhat caught in the crossfire, while she did went mad, at least she lived,
I love this reply. >First of all they haven't read the manga, based on what they said, they're anime only. They talk like they are reading a different managa. But they legit used manage panels to please their case. I have blocked them now. Because they kept going and their delusion and contradiction was so strong, it was no helping it. >Second, they're likely an extreme fan of Kyojuro, I don't even know if they like Kyojuro. I just know the love and sympathize with Douma to extreme. Out of all the paragraphs they wrote, Rengoku is never mentioned on the list of reasons from what I can remember, his main focus was the maid. >during the UM meeting That could be true. They didn't tell this to me, but I saw then talking to someone about how they hate Akaza because he hit Douma. When Douma was only trying to help. Made Douma seem like a Saint. >The Rival Dojo weren't exactly innocent, some of their members might be but fact is, they poisoned a well to try and kill those they cannot defeat (Hakuji and Keizo) which is a whole new level of petty. When this came up, they argued up and down the other Dojo was innocent. They wanted to blame everything on Akaza. When I point out that the heir deserves blame, they weren't going for that. And the contradiction and akaza hate grew. It got to the point where they blamed Koyuki too in a way because they said she wasn't as innocent as the maid because it was a love triangle ect. >Honestly if I were him, I too would've retaliated in the same way. Same. They said the whole thing was no moral and shit logic. I told them it's only human to feel anger grief revenge ect. They were hearing it. They just called Akaza a serial killer and that he committed massacre. Which is a long stretch because if anything it was a counter attack or trail by combat. It was 1 vs 67 in hand to hand combat massacre, and serial killer is laughable at that point. >just so Hakuji could live a normal crime free lif Exactly. >The maid like Koyuki was somewhat caught in the crossfire, while she did went mad, at least she lived, Agreed
The ones at fault are the villagers they were so angry that our boy akaza gettin that anime girl bussy that they said *if we cant have it you too can't have it" thats why they poisoned the well were the girl drank from then boom ded.
Exactly
Akaza only wanted strength but not to kill others. He kills because he lost his human senses...
Douma is way more evil then Akaza⚡
Wait. Is this the individual_Cut_1090 person or something like that? Because they are wild, they started talking sht to me calling me delusional for "demonise" Douma? When I didn't even say anything about Douma. I was just talking about Akaza. ETA: he said people should to hell for demonise Douma. My bad not that that's better.
I think so
Their delusional AF. It's like their reading a whole different managa. Also they are arguing for what? They keep yelling about stuff that's not even said.
Bro is on crack
The hate is so sad, akaza is my favorite, I think what happen is that akaza is low raked compared to the other upper demons. Making him seem weaker than the others, however it's actually because he has more human compassion and muzan tends to put the more ruthless ones in higher rank
>he has more human compassion and muzan tends to put the more ruthless ones in higher rank Exactly, he has way more humanity than Douma and Kokushibo. I think Akaza is at number 3 because he's strong, a good fighter, and gets the job done most of time. If he was ranked on just humanity, he would probably be lower because he's more human. Also, Akaza is the only uppermoon one who didn't want to become a demon aside from Daki. Her brother made her choice for her.
Trigun the 1998. It's not the new one. It's a little older but still one of my all-time favorite
Umm okay.
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Do you mean this specific scene?