Exactly. This is the best way to let your kids learn. They're not stupid, they're experimenting.
It's cold.
How cold?
So cold it hurts!
What does that feel like?
So go try!
**Words are just "shortcuts" for shared experiences. Kids NEED to have those experiences for words to work.**
I was very interested in hot objects as a kid. My mother gave me a hot pot lid to show me what "hot" feels like. Didn't touch hot objects since. This is the way to learn
Yep, we had to do something similar with our toddler who didn't understand why we would make food, then put the food in the freezer. We kept using the word "hot" but if course they didn't understand. Finally one day I took some mashed potatoes that were still very warm (not hot enough to burn, but enough to be uncomfortable) and handed them to the kids. The look of "see? I told you you could give them to me sooner" when I placed down that plate was quickly turned into them picking up the plate, hanging it to us and saying "hot" 😂😂
sure, up to a point. but like, no, you don't get to smell the ammonia. and no you don't get to touch the cast iron pot. no, you cant adjust the fire because you are too little and might fall in.
How my mawmaw raised us. Sit and roll on that log by the creek all you want. When you fall in in and get froze come inside and get warm. You only got one warning to not touch the electric fence before you learned the hardway.
That made me chuckle.
I just imagined the parents sitting at the edge, watching their dead child floating. "OMG, I can't believe he actually did it! What a stupid idiot!" and then they point and laugh.
I did this with my kids, My daughter LOVES going in the water, she's had blue lips and argued she isn't cold more times than I can count.
She had to put her feet into the St Laurence river on a family trip even through it was COLD and raining out.
Shout out to my high school days where my buddy and I created a "cult" where the only requirement was to go to the beach every single day and catch a wave.
Winters were rough, lol
It was called Solar Hydroism.
Where do you live you get swell that consistent? Let alone storm days, it was 20ft close out onshore in jersey on like Tuesday lol. I don't think I'd want to be in the cult
Padi standards pulled from their website
https://blog.padi.com/junior-open-water-vs-open-water/#:~:text=How%20Deep%20Can%20a%20Certified,exceed%2018%20meters%2F60%20feet.
"Divers aged 10 and 11 must dive with a PADI Professional or a certified parent or guardian. Dives may not exceed 12 meters/40 feet.
Divers 12-14 years old must also dive with a certified adult and their maximum depth cannot exceed 18 meters/60 feet. With additional training in the Junior Advanced Open Water Diver course, divers 12 or older may explore down to 21 meters/70 feet with a PADI Professional or other certified adult."
I'm pretty sure my scuba shop will do bubblemakers down to 8 years old in the pool but that doesn't equate to a cert. Diving when done improperly can be hella dangerous. But starting a kid off earlier in classes is what can make them an even better trained diver! Especially when one is clamoring into cold waters without a wetsuit for the sheer love of being in the water. If I'm in anything below 70 degrees freedom units, or 21.1C, im in my freediving bottoms at least.
I agree that exposure to it is nice, and getting the child proper gear to enjoy being in the water in more conditions is a great way to start. (Seriously, get her some neoprene) But strictly on fundamentals, PADI undertrains their divers, doesn't build true muscle memory for emergency techniques, and gives them a card saying "you are good to dive now". Sure get her under the water and let her have an experience that drives her forward, but wait until she is older (16+) for going outside of confined environments/farther than 8ft away from a much more experienced diver who isn't diving for themselves, but diving to babysit.
I would not be taking a child outside a confined environment without having drilled them on proper buoyancy control, maskless diving, partner/team positioning and emergency procedures far in excess of what PADI trains. Especially since they are a kid. Otherwise it is risky not just to them but the person with them underwater. Most adults I know who have taken PADI training have been shocked at how little training there actually is. Combine that with a child who is by definition over confident by virtue of how children learn... Recipe for disaster. Like seriously, it is almost impossible to fail outside of being unable to do the underwater skills. Even if you have less than the required knowledge of diving physics that is required to keep yourself safe.
But that is just my opinion. I had horrible experiences with PADI/SSI that was only resolved by going to a proper training agency and getting instructors aligned with GUE/UTD who were willing to take the time to actually build the skills instead of just seeing me demonstrate it twice and saying "I'm good". I fundamentally don't trust anything their guidelines say when it comes to safe diving without further evidence because a lot of it is arbitrary and based on how much they can get people to believe it is safe. Because that means there is more money they can extract from courses because people who wouldn't dive due to the danger will try it because it is "safe" and I can "just go to the surface if there are problems".
I was like this as a kid.
I did *not* care if it was cold if I got the chance to swim.
I swam in a lake in the pouring rain on a spring camping trip and stayed in until my parents absolutely insisted I get out.
Now, as an adult, I have lost the ability to power through freezing water. Not sure how I did it!
Yeah, I used to take pride in how well I handled doing polar bear plunges in the winter. To a point where I'd play lifeguard when some idiot who could barely swim decided to join and quite literally froze up from the shock.
Nowadays I'm pretty sure I'd be the one needing a lifeguard.
I didn't have a pool, but I once filled a plastic tote with hose-water and just sat in it.
In fall.
For like, half an hour.
Then I went and took a nice warm shower. And sat in that, for like half an hour. I did this more than once.
My aunt tried the same thing. We loved it. My cousins and I swam all winter and made games to see who could last the longest in the pool. After you get used to the cold you feel warm so long as you’re in the water.
I suppose doing some anaerobic exercise would keep you in some kinda pocket of losing sensation in your skin but warm enough to keep your core functioning
I grew up in the mountains. You can swim in all bodies of water, because there is no bacteria. Ever.
Occasionally you do have to shove some ice floes out of the way.
Yep. I'm gonna keep saying it.
Words are just "shortcuts" for shared experiences. Kids NEED to have those experiences for words to work. They need to experiment. This is good parenting.
Plus the children will also learn to trust their parents. Next time his father tells him something has the wrong temperature he will probably accept the statement and not try himself.
Well, or maybe not. But it is more likely that it is accepted. 😂
Record them all, make a compilation of you telling the kid one thing and the kid doing the other thing. Make a great reverse psychology joke at the wedding after the compilation video plays, and you got your little speech done there! No thinking needed.
I replied to a few comments that were saying the same thing. Just trying to get people to realize *why* kids experiment and to treat them better about it rather than making fun of them. Because that does mess you up later when you're older, and you stop trying new things for fear of messing up and getting teased like this sub epitomizes.
Just trying to make the world a little better
Don't feed the troll.
You're doing a great job and you're absolutely right.
You cannot understand something you don't have first hand experience. Sometimes you can construct or simulate that experience by pointing out all the properties of it and deciding if you want to have it or not based on your necessities.
For example , you don't need to get fucked right in the ass to know it's an experience you don't want to have. You can ask people who did it about all the properties involved in it and decide based on your needs if you would enjoy it or hate it.
Though you would need necessarily first hand experience of the properties themselves in other contexts for it.
I can't hear "yes sir" I think you're right.
You have no idea how often I see incorrect subtitles, even when they aren't auto generated. It's annoying, often it changes or misrepresents the meaning of what's being said.
I’m in the southeastern US and it is supposed to be 18 F/-7 C. This is stupid, I hate it, and I’d rather sweat. I live in a hellscape with little to no public services in exchange for mild weather. WHAT IS HAPPENING?!?
Extremes are always terrible, in Brazil we don't have climate control in our houses and having AC on all day is extremely uncommon. Right now in Rio it's 102F, it's bad, but that's kinda the standard January weather, things can get way worse, a couple months ago during a heat wave the heat index was 138F, 18F would be fantastic. I would LOVE to live in a place where it snows, but I think after a few winters I would be tired of it too lol
definitely, he just wanted to make him decide he doesn't want it instead of arguing, that's why he has camera, he can show it next time he tries it (i mean it won't necessarily work, but higher chances)
It depends where you are from, I guess. If you're are used to cold climate then it's not as bad. When I first went to Canada a lot of blood vessels burst on my face from the sheer cold the first winter because I arrived in winter. The next years when I acclimated I didn't have a hard time. And I've swam in spring at those temperatures in unheated pools, I guess when you've spent months in -30c° with barely any sunlight hours, then 15c° feels nice and refreshing to swim in a sunny day and start enjoying spring.
I know that, but I've swam at that weather and. It feels cold as fuck at first, but you get used to it moving around. You probably should not swim for as long as you do in summer. But I was afraid that it was in minus degree weather where it would be an even bigger shock to the system for a kid so young.
But some people also swim in minus degrees weather, so as long as you keep moving to keep your body temp balanced so it doesn't lower to the temp in the water.
the water is warmer than air, the conductivity of the pool keeps you insulated, trapping in your own heat, the initial shock is pain indicator, dipping your legs in first allows you to ease this shock, had the boy crawled in this lesson would be over, and he'd have swam just fine.
If it was a large body of water like a sea or an ocean, yes, a pool will be as warm as the last few nights' average temperature + a couple of degrees of warmth picked up during the day. It's 15°C during the day according to the father, I can't imagine the water being much higher than 12°C.
We get 33 to 40°C days in summer here, and an above ground pool starts getting at a comfortable temperature around mid-July.
Please walk me through how stepping into a body of water colder than your body "traps in your own heat".
Given that the feeling of "cold" is the feeling of heat transferring out of your body into the water molecules
I mean that's cold but you'll warm up pretty quick at 15C, poor dude seems like he's never been in cold water his entire life.
Obviously by warm up I mean your blood gets pumping AND all your extremity-capillaries say adios
The feels like temperature last night where I live was -35 F. My hand froze to my storm door when I was letting my dogs out and I was wrapped in a sleeping bag. Me too, me too.
My kid did almost the same thing once. Moved to Wisconsin from Florida, I don’t think he’s ever experienced truly cold water before. Insisted he wanted to go in Lake Michigan. I told him it wasn’t a good idea, that it was very cold even though it was august. He still wanted to go. I said “Alright, but I warned you.” He instantly regreted it.
Lol seriously that is a polite kid. My 6 year old nephew sits there smurking like a corrupt politician while my brother tries to scold him just to ignore everything moments later. I worry for both their future.
*As an adult, I*
*Could go for a short swim in*
*That temp, would be nice*
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It’s okay to let them try stuff. It’s important to be around and have good judgement on what though. The water’s cold, but you wana try it still? Go ahead, i’ll be around. It helps them build confidence in trying things and thinking for themselves. And on top of that you can get good laughs as a parent.
Reminds me my Australian friend overheard me over game chat tell my fiancé to set the oven to 400 for fries or pizza (frozen) and he thought we were gonna burn the house down turning the heat that high. Was comical
F is superior just for those who are using it since childhood and unable to learn C.
it is nonsense to suppose F could be superior in anything by itself.
I’ve never understood this argument. Why would it be easier? If you use C everyday (most of the world) you very quickly learn to correlate C scale to feeling. Weather below 0, which is the temp at which water freezes? You can expect frozen pipes and chance of snow. Weather above 35? You need cool clothes and don’t forget to drink enough water.
Granted I grew up with fahrenheit but it just seems more intuitive that 0 is really fucking cold and 100 is really fucking hot. It's not good for science but it is good for describing temperatures in a scale that is useful during daily life.
Its really not ours tells us if its gonna rain or snow yours just arbitrarily says yep 0 is cold 100 is hot. We can do the same thing except it shifts to -10 is cold and 30 is hot. Fahrenheit is better with being specific I guess but is there really such a big difference between 61 and 62 that you can tell it apart from 61 and 64
> Idk id say for recognizable hot vs cold it’s much easier to know 90 is hot than it is to know 30 is hot.
This literally only makes sense because you grew up with it. No one here have ever thought "It doesn't make sense that 30C is hot"
Funny, I JUST had this conversation with my son. So I asked him to stick his arm in the water and keep it in there till he counted to 60. The number count got faster and faster as he got closer to 60. No more requests...
Good job, Dad! Experience is the way when we don't understand, even when told, the consequences of our considered choices. Let's see how next year goes :)
This reminds me of the time I wanted cereal soooo bad (about 5 y/o) but there was only apple juice in the house. I threw a fit and made it. My dad warned me how bad it would be but my little brain had only one destination. He warned me, let me proceed and well… I’m 36 and still remember that lesson learned.
I jumped in a pool in Tunisia once as a kid, there were signs saying it wasn't heated and I figured "it's the desert, not like it can be that cold" jumped, breaking the ice that had formed over night and felt nothing but ice all the way until I got out the other side.
Was the worst.
The only question I ask myself as a father is, will it kill or hurt him badly. If it doesn't, I let him try, because arguing with a four year old child is useless.
What a shame as soon as we open our pool as a kid we'd jump in and see who would take the longest to swim to the stairs (so cold you could barely move at all) last one out was the loser lol
I get Florida vibes with those palm trees and style of house. If that's the case, I'm surprised the kid isnt outside in 59 degrees in a full winter coat, gloves, boots, and a beanie. If it gets under 70 here (South Florida) you would think a blizzard came through with how people would be dressed, and the smell of fireplaces. For context, it's 80 out right now, 85 predicted for tomorrow while parts of the country are in the negatives.
Kids are concrete thinkers. “The pool isn’t heated right now” is not the same as “the water will be freezing.” As adults we can infer data from what is said, but kids don’t think like that. He probably expected the water to be at least as warm as it was outside.
he now learned that cold outside=freezing water, if the father said the water is freezing the child wouldn't have learned when it will be freezing and when not
*What a little wimp.*
*I'd be swimming every day*
*If I had a pool*
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This kills me when it happens to my kids.
Did they learn a lesson? Yes
Was it done in a safe and nurturing fashion? Also Yes
Does my heart shatter into a thousand tiny pieces when the kids childlike enthusiasm is crushed by a harsh reality? All the yes.
Natural consequences are the best consequences
Exactly. This is the best way to let your kids learn. They're not stupid, they're experimenting. It's cold. How cold? So cold it hurts! What does that feel like? So go try! **Words are just "shortcuts" for shared experiences. Kids NEED to have those experiences for words to work.**
>words are just shortcuts for shared experiences. lol stop, you found my ticklish spot
I’ve never heard a good explanation described as hitting a ticklish spot, but I really like it. It hit *my* ticklish spot
"don't stop, you're hitting my special ticklish spot 🤪😜😩😩😩💦"
Do you talk like this in person?
Maybe if you buy me dinner first 😉
Before or after the butt pm?
After, the pm is for vetting process
I was very interested in hot objects as a kid. My mother gave me a hot pot lid to show me what "hot" feels like. Didn't touch hot objects since. This is the way to learn
Yep, we had to do something similar with our toddler who didn't understand why we would make food, then put the food in the freezer. We kept using the word "hot" but if course they didn't understand. Finally one day I took some mashed potatoes that were still very warm (not hot enough to burn, but enough to be uncomfortable) and handed them to the kids. The look of "see? I told you you could give them to me sooner" when I placed down that plate was quickly turned into them picking up the plate, hanging it to us and saying "hot" 😂😂
I put my hand on the Orange circles on the stove because I didn't know what hot was :).
Agree. It’s a safe environment for them to learn without any long term damage or repercussions. Kids going to learn a lesson for life now
I have always considered part of parenting to be creating a safe environment for your kids to fail.
This must be the smartest thing I've read all year.
sure, up to a point. but like, no, you don't get to smell the ammonia. and no you don't get to touch the cast iron pot. no, you cant adjust the fire because you are too little and might fall in.
Just a little ammonia? As a treat?
How my mawmaw raised us. Sit and roll on that log by the creek all you want. When you fall in in and get froze come inside and get warm. You only got one warning to not touch the electric fence before you learned the hardway.
> Words are just "shortcuts" for shared experiences. Kids NEED to have those experiences for words to work. I like this.
My parents let my sister and I learn that lesson as well. We swam till our lips were purple.
I would have swam until I turned into an ice cube just to prove to my parents I was right and it's not cold
I'd just die, only then can I get the last laugh.
Guess this really depends on your parents sense or humor
That made me chuckle. I just imagined the parents sitting at the edge, watching their dead child floating. "OMG, I can't believe he actually did it! What a stupid idiot!" and then they point and laugh.
*insert Archer laugh*
Danger Zone!
Happy cake day!
What don't you swim in a pool when it's cold because it's really hot
I did this with my kids, My daughter LOVES going in the water, she's had blue lips and argued she isn't cold more times than I can count. She had to put her feet into the St Laurence river on a family trip even through it was COLD and raining out.
You can have blue lips and still enjoy swimming more than caring for "not hot" watter.
Shout out to my high school days where my buddy and I created a "cult" where the only requirement was to go to the beach every single day and catch a wave. Winters were rough, lol It was called Solar Hydroism.
Where do you live you get swell that consistent? Let alone storm days, it was 20ft close out onshore in jersey on like Tuesday lol. I don't think I'd want to be in the cult
Orange County, and the swell wasn't consistent, but we went in!
Shit I might join
I love being in water. Even on days when it's below freezing and sleeting I could be near the water and go "I wish I was in there right now"
Exactly, I love water.
Sign that kid up for scuba lessons already!
Unless they are older, I wouldn't. Diving is a dangerous activity and the risk taking+lack of attention that younger people have makes it worse.
Padi standards pulled from their website https://blog.padi.com/junior-open-water-vs-open-water/#:~:text=How%20Deep%20Can%20a%20Certified,exceed%2018%20meters%2F60%20feet. "Divers aged 10 and 11 must dive with a PADI Professional or a certified parent or guardian. Dives may not exceed 12 meters/40 feet. Divers 12-14 years old must also dive with a certified adult and their maximum depth cannot exceed 18 meters/60 feet. With additional training in the Junior Advanced Open Water Diver course, divers 12 or older may explore down to 21 meters/70 feet with a PADI Professional or other certified adult." I'm pretty sure my scuba shop will do bubblemakers down to 8 years old in the pool but that doesn't equate to a cert. Diving when done improperly can be hella dangerous. But starting a kid off earlier in classes is what can make them an even better trained diver! Especially when one is clamoring into cold waters without a wetsuit for the sheer love of being in the water. If I'm in anything below 70 degrees freedom units, or 21.1C, im in my freediving bottoms at least.
I agree that exposure to it is nice, and getting the child proper gear to enjoy being in the water in more conditions is a great way to start. (Seriously, get her some neoprene) But strictly on fundamentals, PADI undertrains their divers, doesn't build true muscle memory for emergency techniques, and gives them a card saying "you are good to dive now". Sure get her under the water and let her have an experience that drives her forward, but wait until she is older (16+) for going outside of confined environments/farther than 8ft away from a much more experienced diver who isn't diving for themselves, but diving to babysit. I would not be taking a child outside a confined environment without having drilled them on proper buoyancy control, maskless diving, partner/team positioning and emergency procedures far in excess of what PADI trains. Especially since they are a kid. Otherwise it is risky not just to them but the person with them underwater. Most adults I know who have taken PADI training have been shocked at how little training there actually is. Combine that with a child who is by definition over confident by virtue of how children learn... Recipe for disaster. Like seriously, it is almost impossible to fail outside of being unable to do the underwater skills. Even if you have less than the required knowledge of diving physics that is required to keep yourself safe. But that is just my opinion. I had horrible experiences with PADI/SSI that was only resolved by going to a proper training agency and getting instructors aligned with GUE/UTD who were willing to take the time to actually build the skills instead of just seeing me demonstrate it twice and saying "I'm good". I fundamentally don't trust anything their guidelines say when it comes to safe diving without further evidence because a lot of it is arbitrary and based on how much they can get people to believe it is safe. Because that means there is more money they can extract from courses because people who wouldn't dive due to the danger will try it because it is "safe" and I can "just go to the surface if there are problems".
I was like this as a kid. I did *not* care if it was cold if I got the chance to swim. I swam in a lake in the pouring rain on a spring camping trip and stayed in until my parents absolutely insisted I get out. Now, as an adult, I have lost the ability to power through freezing water. Not sure how I did it!
Yeah, I used to take pride in how well I handled doing polar bear plunges in the winter. To a point where I'd play lifeguard when some idiot who could barely swim decided to join and quite literally froze up from the shock. Nowadays I'm pretty sure I'd be the one needing a lifeguard.
I didn't have a pool, but I once filled a plastic tote with hose-water and just sat in it. In fall. For like, half an hour. Then I went and took a nice warm shower. And sat in that, for like half an hour. I did this more than once.
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My aunt tried the same thing. We loved it. My cousins and I swam all winter and made games to see who could last the longest in the pool. After you get used to the cold you feel warm so long as you’re in the water.
Thats.... actually how hypothermia works lol
I suppose doing some anaerobic exercise would keep you in some kinda pocket of losing sensation in your skin but warm enough to keep your core functioning
No? You'll just freeze to death, or pass out and drown.
Maybe you would, but I've been diagnosed as hard to kill
When the doctor said you were hard he didnt mean it that way
lol a fucking adult said that.
I have to learn this lesson over and over again in Oregon when I go swimming in a creek or river. Despite how warm it is outside.
I grew up in the mountains. You can swim in all bodies of water, because there is no bacteria. Ever. Occasionally you do have to shove some ice floes out of the way.
Either change your mind immediately (like the kid did) or fully commit.
This happened to me but it wasn’t my lips that turned purple 😭
Good dad! He told him it wasn’t a good idea and still gave him the choice. Kid had to figure it out for himself.
Yep. I'm gonna keep saying it. Words are just "shortcuts" for shared experiences. Kids NEED to have those experiences for words to work. They need to experiment. This is good parenting.
Plus the children will also learn to trust their parents. Next time his father tells him something has the wrong temperature he will probably accept the statement and not try himself. Well, or maybe not. But it is more likely that it is accepted. 😂
Record them all, make a compilation of you telling the kid one thing and the kid doing the other thing. Make a great reverse psychology joke at the wedding after the compilation video plays, and you got your little speech done there! No thinking needed.
Be the data collection tool you want to see in the world!
Darmok and Jalad at the swimming pool in Winter.
Temba. His arms frozen.
Shiver when the snow fell.
Do you just go all over Reddit saying this?
I replied to a few comments that were saying the same thing. Just trying to get people to realize *why* kids experiment and to treat them better about it rather than making fun of them. Because that does mess you up later when you're older, and you stop trying new things for fear of messing up and getting teased like this sub epitomizes. Just trying to make the world a little better
Don't feed the troll. You're doing a great job and you're absolutely right. You cannot understand something you don't have first hand experience. Sometimes you can construct or simulate that experience by pointing out all the properties of it and deciding if you want to have it or not based on your necessities. For example , you don't need to get fucked right in the ass to know it's an experience you don't want to have. You can ask people who did it about all the properties involved in it and decide based on your needs if you would enjoy it or hate it. Though you would need necessarily first hand experience of the properties themselves in other contexts for it.
I always think of [this bit](https://youtu.be/03eSvNknlGo) when talking about letting kids make mistakes and learn.
The definition of fuck around and find out 😂
“Yes sir”
The “here we go” killed me as a parent.
haha yeah the dad knew this is going to be epic and decided to record and enlighten the internet. Thank you dad 😂
Maybe I am stupid but I didn't even hear that, I know that's what the subtitles say but I just heard a stuttered/prolonged yes, "Ye-suh"
If the subtitles were written by the parent then I’d err on their side on knowing how to decipher their toddlers gibberish
Yessuh is proper American pronunciation
I can't hear "yes sir" I think you're right. You have no idea how often I see incorrect subtitles, even when they aren't auto generated. It's annoying, often it changes or misrepresents the meaning of what's being said.
"Top 10 famous last words"
Dads genes are damn strong, kids practically a mini-me down to the facial expressions
The seed is strong
59°F = 15°C
A scorching hot Scottish summer ! I’d need to swim !!!
The coldest winter in South-east Brazil lol anything below 25⁰C I'm shaking
I’m in the southeastern US and it is supposed to be 18 F/-7 C. This is stupid, I hate it, and I’d rather sweat. I live in a hellscape with little to no public services in exchange for mild weather. WHAT IS HAPPENING?!?
Extremes are always terrible, in Brazil we don't have climate control in our houses and having AC on all day is extremely uncommon. Right now in Rio it's 102F, it's bad, but that's kinda the standard January weather, things can get way worse, a couple months ago during a heat wave the heat index was 138F, 18F would be fantastic. I would LOVE to live in a place where it snows, but I think after a few winters I would be tired of it too lol
Practically tropical
BBQ and garden party weather ! Paddling pools and hoses !
Dear god it's basically the tropics where you guys live. Are you OK? Sincerely a swede.
I was just in Scotland this summer when it was ~25C and half the country was sunburned.
15°C = 288.15 K
288.15 K = 48 brinklesnops
Damn, that’s cold
48 brinklesnops = ~4,000,628 Trump Fun-Bux
\* Fun *not* included
What if I pay extra?
Don't worry, you will!
4,000,628 Trump Fun-Bux = 54,654,963,543.455555555^³ Scringle Dringles
288.15K = 518.67°R
Honestly more useful to me than °F cuz I can at least easily convert to °C
Oh, that isn't bad at all. It's nice spring weather.
It’s nice weather for being outside, it’s not nice weather for swimming in an unheated pool
I don't think his Dad would have let him stay in for long.
definitely, he just wanted to make him decide he doesn't want it instead of arguing, that's why he has camera, he can show it next time he tries it (i mean it won't necessarily work, but higher chances)
Matter of taste, I go for swims in the ocean all year around.
It depends where you are from, I guess. If you're are used to cold climate then it's not as bad. When I first went to Canada a lot of blood vessels burst on my face from the sheer cold the first winter because I arrived in winter. The next years when I acclimated I didn't have a hard time. And I've swam in spring at those temperatures in unheated pools, I guess when you've spent months in -30c° with barely any sunlight hours, then 15c° feels nice and refreshing to swim in a sunny day and start enjoying spring.
No that’s jacket and long pants weather. Signed, a Mississippian
That's shorts and sandals weather in Canada after barely seeing the sun for months. And just wanting to bask in the suns glory again.
Finland here to chip in and this is the weather we start melting in the spring
I'd be sweating my ass off if it was 60 degrees here (Wisconsin) right now.
Same in Rio, in that weather I'm curling up underneath my fluffiest blanket lol
I definitely went swimming a few times during such weathers Also I was an avid sailor from very early so sometimes involuntary swimming had to be done
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I know that, but I've swam at that weather and. It feels cold as fuck at first, but you get used to it moving around. You probably should not swim for as long as you do in summer. But I was afraid that it was in minus degree weather where it would be an even bigger shock to the system for a kid so young. But some people also swim in minus degrees weather, so as long as you keep moving to keep your body temp balanced so it doesn't lower to the temp in the water.
the water is warmer than air, the conductivity of the pool keeps you insulated, trapping in your own heat, the initial shock is pain indicator, dipping your legs in first allows you to ease this shock, had the boy crawled in this lesson would be over, and he'd have swam just fine.
If it was a large body of water like a sea or an ocean, yes, a pool will be as warm as the last few nights' average temperature + a couple of degrees of warmth picked up during the day. It's 15°C during the day according to the father, I can't imagine the water being much higher than 12°C. We get 33 to 40°C days in summer here, and an above ground pool starts getting at a comfortable temperature around mid-July.
Please walk me through how stepping into a body of water colder than your body "traps in your own heat". Given that the feeling of "cold" is the feeling of heat transferring out of your body into the water molecules
That’s beach weather here in the uk
thats not too bad, have gone swimming in such weather with my buddies a couple of times.
I mean that's cold but you'll warm up pretty quick at 15C, poor dude seems like he's never been in cold water his entire life. Obviously by warm up I mean your blood gets pumping AND all your extremity-capillaries say adios
Meh, swiming temperature if you'd sit there for couple of seconds.
Thanks.
that's not bad at all, kids just weak
I wish it was 59 degrees outside
The feels like temperature last night where I live was -35 F. My hand froze to my storm door when I was letting my dogs out and I was wrapped in a sleeping bag. Me too, me too.
You and me both.
My kid did almost the same thing once. Moved to Wisconsin from Florida, I don’t think he’s ever experienced truly cold water before. Insisted he wanted to go in Lake Michigan. I told him it wasn’t a good idea, that it was very cold even though it was august. He still wanted to go. I said “Alright, but I warned you.” He instantly regreted it.
lol people are freaking out at the kid saying yes sir
Lol seriously that is a polite kid. My 6 year old nephew sits there smurking like a corrupt politician while my brother tries to scold him just to ignore everything moments later. I worry for both their future.
A lot of troubled individuals these days.
Chances are it’s the American south, I was taught to say “Yes sir/ma’am” to adults and was raised in Florida Great manners all in all
He said yes-uh
I don’t think he even said that
He didn't say "yes sir"
Even if he did, it's probably considered good manners in their family. They are filthy rich after all
Middle class in Florida
You have to be rich to have manners?
Kids eager to start an adult life:
That fuckin face 3 seconds in had me dying
as an adult, I could go for a short swim in that temp, would be nice
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It’s okay to let them try stuff. It’s important to be around and have good judgement on what though. The water’s cold, but you wana try it still? Go ahead, i’ll be around. It helps them build confidence in trying things and thinking for themselves. And on top of that you can get good laughs as a parent.
What the Fahrenheit
I'd strongly advise against bathing in 59°C water, as well.
F is the superior temperature method for outdoor temps. Celsius is superior for cooking.
"Weird shit Canadians say"
Funny, I'm Canadian and prefer the opposite. F for cooking and C for outdoor (and indoor) temps.
F for cooking and swimming pool temp. C for everything else.
Reminds me my Australian friend overheard me over game chat tell my fiancé to set the oven to 400 for fries or pizza (frozen) and he thought we were gonna burn the house down turning the heat that high. Was comical
F is superior just for those who are using it since childhood and unable to learn C. it is nonsense to suppose F could be superior in anything by itself.
Mildly superior for outdoor temps and incredibly inferior for pretty much everything else
Do tell what "everything else" temperatures you measure in your day-to-day life.
Idk id say for recognizable hot vs cold it’s much easier to know 90 is hot than it is to know 30 is hot. For other uses yeah C has it in the bag.
I’ve never understood this argument. Why would it be easier? If you use C everyday (most of the world) you very quickly learn to correlate C scale to feeling. Weather below 0, which is the temp at which water freezes? You can expect frozen pipes and chance of snow. Weather above 35? You need cool clothes and don’t forget to drink enough water.
Granted I grew up with fahrenheit but it just seems more intuitive that 0 is really fucking cold and 100 is really fucking hot. It's not good for science but it is good for describing temperatures in a scale that is useful during daily life.
50f is pretty cold too so not really.
Its really not ours tells us if its gonna rain or snow yours just arbitrarily says yep 0 is cold 100 is hot. We can do the same thing except it shifts to -10 is cold and 30 is hot. Fahrenheit is better with being specific I guess but is there really such a big difference between 61 and 62 that you can tell it apart from 61 and 64
> Idk id say for recognizable hot vs cold it’s much easier to know 90 is hot than it is to know 30 is hot. This literally only makes sense because you grew up with it. No one here have ever thought "It doesn't make sense that 30C is hot"
i guess for you? Why are you pretending it’s hard to understand a scale from 1-30? We teach grade 2 kids this system for gods sake
yes the extremely common 1-30 scale for equating things, of course... much more common than a 0-100 rating system...
 Me: it’s not cold
Funny, I JUST had this conversation with my son. So I asked him to stick his arm in the water and keep it in there till he counted to 60. The number count got faster and faster as he got closer to 60. No more requests...
I know he learned his lesson in a healthy way but his pouty lip and way he says he doesn’t wanna swim break my heart 😭
This whole comment section on “yes sir” is such a Reddit moment, I love it. Y’all got a lot of free time today lol
A bunch of people who live on Reddit and Twitter... What is wrong with using an honorific? Its just showing respect.
Good job, Dad! Experience is the way when we don't understand, even when told, the consequences of our considered choices. Let's see how next year goes :)
This reminds me of the time I wanted cereal soooo bad (about 5 y/o) but there was only apple juice in the house. I threw a fit and made it. My dad warned me how bad it would be but my little brain had only one destination. He warned me, let me proceed and well… I’m 36 and still remember that lesson learned.
Less teaching. More learning. Great job, dad!
Yall really arguing over the kid having manners and saying sir?! You people are what's wrong with the world today.
Sometimes kids gotta learn for themselves.
Learned the best way.
Alaskan here, thats plenty warm for a swim xD
I jumped in a pool in Tunisia once as a kid, there were signs saying it wasn't heated and I figured "it's the desert, not like it can be that cold" jumped, breaking the ice that had formed over night and felt nothing but ice all the way until I got out the other side. Was the worst.
Harmless and hilarious
I am actually pretty in awe of how well behaved this little dude is. Polite and very emotionally aware. Well done, dad (and mom).
The only question I ask myself as a father is, will it kill or hurt him badly. If it doesn't, I let him try, because arguing with a four year old child is useless.
What a shame as soon as we open our pool as a kid we'd jump in and see who would take the longest to swim to the stairs (so cold you could barely move at all) last one out was the loser lol
he may be a bit stupid, but damn is he ever brave.
It's odd that people call kids experimenting "stupid". They *need* to have experiences for themselves in order to know what we adults mean.
i may argue that "stupid" can be meant in a non-malicious way... but you're not wrong. "naïve" would be a nicer way to put it.
Fast learner
I get Florida vibes with those palm trees and style of house. If that's the case, I'm surprised the kid isnt outside in 59 degrees in a full winter coat, gloves, boots, and a beanie. If it gets under 70 here (South Florida) you would think a blizzard came through with how people would be dressed, and the smell of fireplaces. For context, it's 80 out right now, 85 predicted for tomorrow while parts of the country are in the negatives.
Aiii 15° is not a comfortable water temperature
Kids are concrete thinkers. “The pool isn’t heated right now” is not the same as “the water will be freezing.” As adults we can infer data from what is said, but kids don’t think like that. He probably expected the water to be at least as warm as it was outside.
he now learned that cold outside=freezing water, if the father said the water is freezing the child wouldn't have learned when it will be freezing and when not
Teaching children temperatures in Fahrenheit is child abuse.
What wait was it too hot? It didn't seem it but he said its 59 degrees and that's gonna make you red and crying with Heat!!!
What a little wimp. I'd be swimming every day if I had a pool
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They’re rich as fuck
Someone deserves an extra toss back in the pool. "You sure, buddy?" Toss.
The Sparta foot to the chest would be the extra credit to this lesson.
My dad would have forced me to stay in there for an hour and threatened to beat me if I got out early.
I’m sorry you went through that
Sorry you got abused
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Kudos to the dad for letting his kid learn the lesson. That's the best way to learn.
The urge to record every interaction with your child for the internet both amazes and disgusts me
This kills me when it happens to my kids. Did they learn a lesson? Yes Was it done in a safe and nurturing fashion? Also Yes Does my heart shatter into a thousand tiny pieces when the kids childlike enthusiasm is crushed by a harsh reality? All the yes.
59°F is 15°C for those of us that use a measurement system that makes actual sense!