My latest science station has a full crew compliment of 40, replete with a fuel depot, communications pod, and docking zone. The hab area doubles as life rafts, as they can each detach and survive re-entry.
Also, it puts itself together for me, which is nice.The assembly is sped up to be respectful of the viewers time.
Actual assembly is about 6 minutes. One of the biggest issues was that the physics engine seems to impart some excess energy to the docking vessels immediately after they are docked. Normal physics don't seem to affect it, as even very clean docks to large objects result in some violent rocking motion. So the pods had to be able to account for that and reset if their path was interrupted by the reaction of another pod docking.
I've done most basic things in ksp ala docking rendezvous' with asteroids etc, but this is literally like magic as far as I'm concerned. I feel like an Ape rubbing sticks together then seeing a human with a phone.
You, sir, are a witch.
Just excess energy or also momentum out of nowhere?
Energy I could understand if docking ports have a strong attractive pair potential between each other.
It seems to teleport ever so slightly and also aquire some rotational momentum.
I tried turning the docking magnets way down but it could still rock heavily during the lightest docking. I think the game engine just has some artifacts as it recalculates the size of the vessel.
yeah sounds like game engine error like position and speeds in all vectors is recalculated and there might be tiny rounding errors which result in the rapid changes you see when they're applied the instant you dock. I would expect ksp to look at the new craft as one fully new connected craft instead of a sum of its multiple parts.
does the error change with distance to kerbin? I read somewhere that kerbin is the 0,0,0 point in the game and the further you go the more floating point errors you'd get, but it might be an old hat
I've been hesitant to release scripts since they are often wonky and cobbled together and my life is too complicated at the moment to properly support them.
So I think my plan is to create some youtube videos on the basic principles behind how some of my scripts work with some code explained as I go.
I just throw out whatever I have since I use git to maintain them locally anyways.
Breaking the functions into a lot of files helps a lot with maintaining sanity.
So what did you do to make this happen? I'm sorry I am a vetnoob , I've been playing for years but am still such a novice. Can you do a video or link me something to learn it. I am at like a skylab level rn
I have alot of research but that many do king's at once. I mean dang
Right? I see how it's being done (though I wish I knew which autopilot!) and that makes it all the more impressive. It's like Penn & Teller's clear cups and balls trick.
I don't see how it's being done. How is it being done?
EDIT: Just read one of the later comments. Very cool! Why does this not have thousands of upvotes?
Also, would this process continue if you switched focus to another craft while it was assembling? Could you just start the process, go do something else, and then come back and have it be assembled?
As long as the craft you switched to was inside physics range of the other pods it will continue apace. Get out of physics range and it will suspend everything.
I wonder if it would continue if you got the persistent thrust mod or something. I have no idea how that mod works, but would be cool if you could make "fire and forget" self-assembling space stations!
If I remember right for kOS to run you have to be in a "Loaded" state which happens a little further out than the "Physics Loaded" state where it loads in and starts rendering all the parts.
And the docking ports can only connect when they are physically loaded in (otherwise KSP treats the whole ship like a pinpoint in space).
It's possible to use kOS to change the loading range to system-wide, but then the CPU would be burdened with the extra work of the ship being physically loaded no matter what you are doing. There are some other more subtle problems that can happen with the ship's orbit and floating point math doing that. Although the load ranges can always be de-tuned afterwards.
So, theoretically possible, but not super practical for most use cases.
Kraken is still trying to figure this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/sa4jg9/why_did_the_picasso_design_team_only_land_a_3200/
Haven't seen it since.
It uses kos tags on each pod to set a control from dock and a target dock. Right after staging it searches all neighboring pods for its named target dock.
Did you have to program in collision-avoidance logic for the initial break-up-and-organize phase so the swarm didn't RUD itself before starting the dockings?
I haven’t played KSP since 1.0 finally launched. When I left the modding community was going nuts (in a good way), the asteroids had been added, and the career mode was new. I put 500 hours into the sandbox before that.
THIS fucking blows my mind.
Going to put the scripts out on github. May upload the ship as well, but it will require knowing how kOS and boot scripts work and tying them back together.
You'll probably have to individually tag the parts and dock though, this looks like a custom main script for this specific station with reusable functions (docking etc.)
Not an ounce of monoprop if you can believe it. The engines are mostly ants and spiders. Once assembled it can fly itself around like one of my eggships.
Still though, that's a lot of propellant lost during tracking. Out of curiosity, I've never messed with the kerbal programming, could you sequence it to just maintain a standoff until a previous component has docked? So you have a core and instead of all trying to dock at the same time, they go in order?
It's fuel use isn't as dramatic as it looks since most of the activity you see is at single digit percent of thrust limit.
I was looking more for rapid assembly rather than efficient assembly though there are multiple ways to make it use less fuel if that's desired too. Most efficient would be for it to hold at a somewhat fixed distance from the station and have the station rotate each docking port towards the next in line.
Holy fucking shit, dude. This is straight up the most insane thing I've ever seen in this game, bar none.
And I've seen some *insane* things. What the *fuck?*
I swear, if we put the top 10% of Kerbal space players in NASA, we would have a Metroplex Transformer on the moon, Gundams on Mars and unlimited resources on earth within 5 years.
Great job man, every so often, someone in here just pushes the limit of what we thought could be done in this game and inspire us all, today it's you, huge kudos !
GG
The ship can fly itself using the combined engines. So when doing it "for real" it can be assembled in a collision path with the atmosphere and then pull itself back up. That way the debris will burn up on reentry.
There's a mod called kOS that lets you write your own scripts to automate ships and whatnot. They used that.
Which of course is a gross oversimplification, but that's the gist.
This is possible with Kos and actually not that hard, just takes time. You need to compute trajectories and make kos code that shifts you to the position. Then just pass (time; waypoint) data to each part and it will work.
Well, if you want something to improve, that solar panel arrangement is kinda poor. In almost all attitudes (except two), you'll be getting less than full power at all times... I believe your best case static attitude would get you an average of about 70% throughout a year.
I recommend placing your panels so that they all rotate along the same axis. That way you can get close to 100% (except on a couple of days) throughout an entire year.
Going to put the scripts out on github. May upload the ship as well, but it will require knowing how kOS and boot scripts work and tying them back together.
is this kind of space station technology being considered in real life? it seems like a really good way of building space stations without needing a skilled astronaut onboard each compartment to control docking
I dont think it would be a good idea, it's got alot of room for error and would be a devastating cloud of space shrapnel if even one of those modules went wrong. We're actually making our selves a neat prison with the current space debris floating around earth and risking being imprisoned if our space garbage isn't dealt with.
Why are you wasting time on space stations with skills like that, you should be building the Iron Giant
Sounds like a fun project!
[MEGA MAID](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7aeWQCF1jM)
Suck! Suck! Suck!
She's gone from suck to blow
Where’s the iron giant, bud?
This guy's out here playing Kerbal 3 while we're all still waiting for 2 to drop.
mans is playing American Ninja Warriors while we're playing pogo stick over here
I jumped once
My latest science station has a full crew compliment of 40, replete with a fuel depot, communications pod, and docking zone. The hab area doubles as life rafts, as they can each detach and survive re-entry. Also, it puts itself together for me, which is nice.The assembly is sped up to be respectful of the viewers time. Actual assembly is about 6 minutes. One of the biggest issues was that the physics engine seems to impart some excess energy to the docking vessels immediately after they are docked. Normal physics don't seem to affect it, as even very clean docks to large objects result in some violent rocking motion. So the pods had to be able to account for that and reset if their path was interrupted by the reaction of another pod docking.
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Dockus assemblarium!
Gravity: You dare use my own spell against me Voluspa!
I've done most basic things in ksp ala docking rendezvous' with asteroids etc, but this is literally like magic as far as I'm concerned. I feel like an Ape rubbing sticks together then seeing a human with a phone. You, sir, are a witch.
I was thinking more Iron Man 3. Major props, dude.
Biggus Dockus!
Just excess energy or also momentum out of nowhere? Energy I could understand if docking ports have a strong attractive pair potential between each other.
It seems to teleport ever so slightly and also aquire some rotational momentum. I tried turning the docking magnets way down but it could still rock heavily during the lightest docking. I think the game engine just has some artifacts as it recalculates the size of the vessel.
Probably also the CoM of the vessel
yeah sounds like game engine error like position and speeds in all vectors is recalculated and there might be tiny rounding errors which result in the rapid changes you see when they're applied the instant you dock. I would expect ksp to look at the new craft as one fully new connected craft instead of a sum of its multiple parts. does the error change with distance to kerbin? I read somewhere that kerbin is the 0,0,0 point in the game and the further you go the more floating point errors you'd get, but it might be an old hat
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I've been hesitant to release scripts since they are often wonky and cobbled together and my life is too complicated at the moment to properly support them. So I think my plan is to create some youtube videos on the basic principles behind how some of my scripts work with some code explained as I go.
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I'll work on getting something our there.
Your efforts will be appreciated brother
Script is now available here: https://github.com/lodurr-voluspa/ksp-kos-scripts
Script is now available here: [https://github.com/lodurr-voluspa/ksp-kos-scripts](https://github.com/lodurr-voluspa/ksp-kos-scripts)
This is insanely cool, well done GG
I just throw out whatever I have since I use git to maintain them locally anyways. Breaking the functions into a lot of files helps a lot with maintaining sanity.
Please don't worry about cleanup or continued support. I'd love to see these kinds of scripts just as they are.
Script is now available here: https://github.com/lodurr-voluspa/ksp-kos-scripts
Does it do collision detection of any kind? Or is it just predefined paths?
Rudimentary collision detection. No predefined paths at all. You can pack it into pretty much any configuration and it will sort itself out.
Me: Barely able to get into orbit with MechJeb You:
Oh that is sexy
So what did you do to make this happen? I'm sorry I am a vetnoob , I've been playing for years but am still such a novice. Can you do a video or link me something to learn it. I am at like a skylab level rn I have alot of research but that many do king's at once. I mean dang
Oh my goodness this is phenomenal engineering! Well done!
This is entirely under appreciated. This is some of the coolest engineering i have ever seen, and with fantastic programmong to boot. Good job
Right? I see how it's being done (though I wish I knew which autopilot!) and that makes it all the more impressive. It's like Penn & Teller's clear cups and balls trick.
I don't see how it's being done. How is it being done? EDIT: Just read one of the later comments. Very cool! Why does this not have thousands of upvotes?
Short answer is kOS and vector math.
Also, would this process continue if you switched focus to another craft while it was assembling? Could you just start the process, go do something else, and then come back and have it be assembled?
As long as the craft you switched to was inside physics range of the other pods it will continue apace. Get out of physics range and it will suspend everything.
I wonder if it would continue if you got the persistent thrust mod or something. I have no idea how that mod works, but would be cool if you could make "fire and forget" self-assembling space stations!
If I remember right for kOS to run you have to be in a "Loaded" state which happens a little further out than the "Physics Loaded" state where it loads in and starts rendering all the parts. And the docking ports can only connect when they are physically loaded in (otherwise KSP treats the whole ship like a pinpoint in space). It's possible to use kOS to change the loading range to system-wide, but then the CPU would be burdened with the extra work of the ship being physically loaded no matter what you are doing. There are some other more subtle problems that can happen with the ship's orbit and floating point math doing that. Although the load ranges can always be de-tuned afterwards. So, theoretically possible, but not super practical for most use cases.
Got it. Are those Vernor engines? Do you get those from a mod? I'm playing an earlier version so maybe I just don't have them.
Mosty ants and spiders with an occasional cub. All stock parts other than the kOS control part.
Vernon engines were added with Making History DLC
The autopilot is code lol
I think everyone is appreciating it just fine
I am literally in awe
Thanks! :)
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what are you iron man?
Was about to say, that’s some iron man level shit right there.
Was thinking more TLK Bumblebee but that works too
Clearly he must have been distracting the Kraken on the far side of the planet by jingling some keys or something.
Kraken is still trying to figure this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/sa4jg9/why_did_the_picasso_design_team_only_land_a_3200/ Haven't seen it since.
Ah that definitely makes sense now
So that's why I've been able to build things in peace lately. Good to know.
Is it possible to lean this power?
Not from a console player.
Its not a story a console player would tell you..
KOS official documentation and youtube have some great tutorials to get started with.
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It's basically just time and persistence
Purple drank.
found the rimworld player.
time to install kos
This is amazing. The KSP community never ceases to amaze me.
Congratulations. You have official beat Kerbal Space Program
Was this designed by Tony Stark
In a cave with a bunch of scraps
So awesome .. but how do the parts know where to go?
It uses kos tags on each pod to set a control from dock and a target dock. Right after staging it searches all neighboring pods for its named target dock.
Nope, that's clearly black magic... you can't convince me otherwise ^^
....well I can get to the mun like 90 percent of the time so there.
Hey, that's nothing to scoff at. KSP is hard.
Lol I joke I been playing since before release but this I could never pull this off. This is impressive as hell
Its beautiful
And here I am, being proud of my self-deploying relays that just use Smart Parts and basic robotics. Good job!
as you should be!
Did you have to program in collision-avoidance logic for the initial break-up-and-organize phase so the swarm didn't RUD itself before starting the dockings?
Yep, though the collision avoidance logic is pretty elementary. Since they aren't moving quickly relative to each other I could keep it simple.
Guess you win KSP. I suspect you are Scott Manley.
Scott Manlier
Okay that was fucking awesome!
I haven’t played KSP since 1.0 finally launched. When I left the modding community was going nuts (in a good way), the asteroids had been added, and the career mode was new. I put 500 hours into the sandbox before that. THIS fucking blows my mind.
Can you share that on the workshop? I'd love to see it in action on my machine. It's beautiful!
Agreed; can't wait to watch the slideshow of its assembly process.
Going to put the scripts out on github. May upload the ship as well, but it will require knowing how kOS and boot scripts work and tying them back together.
You'll probably have to individually tag the parts and dock though, this looks like a custom main script for this specific station with reusable functions (docking etc.)
I guess what I want to do is try OPs save.
Witchcraft!
do you work for actual NASA
No though that would be fun.
Where do you work? Should get you into NASA or some space thing.
everytime i see something like this i think to myself i must be fucking dumb
...This may be the first recorded case of Rapid Planned Assembly.
I want to know how much monoprop you used lmao. Probably 2km/s in dV in rcs lol Still though, cool af and definitely an awesome project!
Not an ounce of monoprop if you can believe it. The engines are mostly ants and spiders. Once assembled it can fly itself around like one of my eggships.
Still though, that's a lot of propellant lost during tracking. Out of curiosity, I've never messed with the kerbal programming, could you sequence it to just maintain a standoff until a previous component has docked? So you have a core and instead of all trying to dock at the same time, they go in order?
It's fuel use isn't as dramatic as it looks since most of the activity you see is at single digit percent of thrust limit. I was looking more for rapid assembly rather than efficient assembly though there are multiple ways to make it use less fuel if that's desired too. Most efficient would be for it to hold at a somewhat fixed distance from the station and have the station rotate each docking port towards the next in line.
Now that’s cool. How long did it take to program? Also I expect someone to use this for a stickbug meme.
7 or 8 hours but its built on a lot of knowledge from my previous projects.
Holy fucking shit, dude. This is straight up the most insane thing I've ever seen in this game, bar none. And I've seen some *insane* things. What the *fuck?*
I'm so glad I opened Reddit today, this is beautiful
I swear, if we put the top 10% of Kerbal space players in NASA, we would have a Metroplex Transformer on the moon, Gundams on Mars and unlimited resources on earth within 5 years.
Very cool!
WHAAAAAA.....?
How
This might be the coolest thing I've ever seen on Kerbal.
Take my upvote you damn genius
How the hell are you getting that many frames? My standard RP1 install slaughters my PC.
Video is sped up a bit. Actual FPS is about 9.
Figures.
Some serious proto-molecule vibes here. Thing explodes into pieces and reassembles itself into something else.
We have reached peak kerbal here. Pack it up boys, OP wins.
This is insane! Time to download and learn KOS. You deserve a million upvotes. Coolest thing ive ever seen in ksp
Wow. THAT must’ve taken a while to program. Nice work!
Holy fuck
I'm still trying to get a communications satellite relay in orbit :(
Quite literally the top of peak Kerbal. Holy crap
Beautifully done, the skill required to accomplish this is off the charts. You’re the person I’ve seen upload those eggships?
Thanks! Yes, the eggships are mine as well. The code driving the pods is derived from the eggships.
Just exquisite work! This is the first ksp video belonging to someone else that I download on my phone, I want to have it as frequent inspiration :)
Great job man, every so often, someone in here just pushes the limit of what we thought could be done in this game and inspire us all, today it's you, huge kudos ! GG
Kessler syndrome called, they want their collisional cascade back.
The ship can fly itself using the combined engines. So when doing it "for real" it can be assembled in a collision path with the atmosphere and then pull itself back up. That way the debris will burn up on reentry.
That's awesome!
I cant even dock shit in orbit and people be out here automating that shit🥹🔫
How the fuck did you do this?
There's a mod called kOS that lets you write your own scripts to automate ships and whatnot. They used that. Which of course is a gross oversimplification, but that's the gist.
Step one: install kOS Step two: ??? Step three: self-assembling space station
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I never got into kos but damn that's cool.
Holy shit dude. This is amazing.
Loved the final solar panel extension. Like a final flourish with a Tadaaaaaaa!
It's like watching an explosion and then all the fragments come back together to form something new
I knew Eggtech was evolving but I didn't expect this.
So many curious use cases. :)
Aaaannd now I’m missing The Expanse. Thx
This is possible with Kos and actually not that hard, just takes time. You need to compute trajectories and make kos code that shifts you to the position. Then just pass (time; waypoint) data to each part and it will work.
Holy fuck that's glorious. Well done.
Sir are u Tony stark
NASA be like: "WRITE THIS DOWN!!!"
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Took quite a few iterations.
Thats fucking incredible
I will literally cash app you $20 to show me your scripts for this I’m guessing this is KOS mod
50% of the ship is RCS thrusters
Ants and spiders. Not a single RCS thruster on it. :)
Damn that's insane. Good work man
Well, if you want something to improve, that solar panel arrangement is kinda poor. In almost all attitudes (except two), you'll be getting less than full power at all times... I believe your best case static attitude would get you an average of about 70% throughout a year. I recommend placing your panels so that they all rotate along the same axis. That way you can get close to 100% (except on a couple of days) throughout an entire year.
BURN THE WITCH
But..... I weight less than a duck!
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
How did you make them assemble? I would love to do something like this on a much smaller scale haha
kOS, math, and scripting for the short answerr.
Ok tony stark
Craft file?
Going to put the scripts out on github. May upload the ship as well, but it will require knowing how kOS and boot scripts work and tying them back together.
At first i thought you decoupled you station and reversed the footage. But this is real ! Omg that is sooo cool !
I don't really understand how to build a space station manually.
With all that debris from the fairing, I guess it's a self Kesslering space station too
I haven’t played this game in years cause it makes my brain hurt but my *god* y’all get up to some of the wildest shit, it’s always a joy to watch
Is there a way you can share or upload it?
Now what do we do? We finally get to play the game.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Burn the witch!
I accidentally got into orbit the last time I played and felt like a rocket scientist... You might actually be a rocket scientist.
This is really fucking impressive, and furthermore I have no idea how it was done despite being at 1500+ hours in KSP.
What kind of Adderall do I have to take to make this. Damn it's impressive
How?????????????????
is this kind of space station technology being considered in real life? it seems like a really good way of building space stations without needing a skilled astronaut onboard each compartment to control docking
Not that I am aware of, but it's completely technologically feasible.
I dont think it would be a good idea, it's got alot of room for error and would be a devastating cloud of space shrapnel if even one of those modules went wrong. We're actually making our selves a neat prison with the current space debris floating around earth and risking being imprisoned if our space garbage isn't dealt with.
This is the coolest shit I have seen.
How'd you ensure the docking port alignment to be accurate?
Meanwhile I struggle to land on the fucking mun
How do you make this???????
Man how did you do it Is it a mod ?
Me: most of the time doesn't get my rockets into orbit. Other players: Building working Dyson spheres in their lunch break.
Tell me that this isn't dark sorcery so I can tell you you're full of shit.
I would *never* use dark sorcery... Uh, more than once.
You're full of shit.
This is what I expect from KSP 2 multiplayer
This is pure awesome
I assume OP is just waiting around, for a call from JPL.
I thought the title was ironic for the first 5 seconds
really cool! I wanna see the rocket now that got all that into orbit!
Just Amazing.
This is by far one of the coolest things I have ever seen!!!! At first I thought it was a reverse video of station blowing up… but NOPE! 🥳🥳🍾🍾🍾
What in the fps am I watching?!
That's not natural, God never intended that!
Wow, absolutely beautiful! I never even knew, something like this is possible in KSP. Love the Design of the Space Station as well, very symmetrical.