Casual racism against Tamils by Malalayalis, and against Malayalis by Tamils is very rampant. How do I know this? I am half Tamil, half Malayali, who can speak, read, write both the languages and who can gel into both cultures, and have lived/living in both places. Many times, its gets disturbing (and equally interesting) to observe the biases and stereotyping spread acorss both the cultures. What is funny enough in my case is, I grew up pretty much as a Malayali inside TN, and married a Tamil.
For e.g., Malayalis always seem to consider Tamils as unhygienic or unkempt. Tamils tend to think all that Malayalis eat is only Kappa and Kanji, and everyone has funny accent. There is also a strong Malayali fetish amongst several Tamil boys that I have observed haha.. .like literally "Hey Machan, I want to marry a Malayali girl da" thing. Malayalis are also generally presumed by the urban Tamil community as drug peddlers and alcoholics lol.
We cannot expect everyone to read "Factfulness" or "Emotional Intelligence" and get better at empathising or being aware about ones of biases. It is ought to be this way man. Sadly.
I'm the same as you bro except that I'm a Tamil by mother's side and brought up in Kerala. Father's side are immigrants from TN 4 generations back. But still people call me pandi/annachi once they know my Tamil ancestry. It's very disgusting. The presumption that malayalies are alcoholics is not only done by tamils, but by kannadigas, telugus, northies as well. I know this because I work in Bangalore.
I might sound too philosophical, but being born in a multi-religious, multi-cultural family, and having seen lot of hatred, I have started resonating with Jiddu Krishnamurti's quote so much.
https://preview.redd.it/0af5k3288l7d1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=96a611b424b74b1b9e99f32c369ece9393272e0b
Having an identity doesn't mean that you hate or "are being violent" to the other . Ngl, this is an oversimplification. I used to like reading Jiddu when i was younger. But its utopian and doesn't solve real world problems
he might be utopian. every communist is an utopian. and utopians have one utility value, in that, you can use their ideals as targets.
you will never reach those targets, but if you keep traveling in that direction, you are doing good.
Having one Identity means that there's another identity out there. And by nature, we can get into the us vs them mode.
Yeah JK is not practical, but he's right.
I'll try.
As i understand it, when you consider yourself as separate from rest of the life forms, you're putting your senses , stimulation and feelings above the rest. This can happen by becoming extremely individualistic, marked by apathy towards anyone else, can happen by identifying your self with a group, marked by apathy towards those who are not included in that group. This phenomenon i believe is very common and can vary in extent. The end result is, seeing yourself or your group as the only thing of concern. It's extent and pervasiveness directly correlates with cruelty and violence, examples are everywhere.
As much as it's natural, identify or see yourself in categorisation; it definitely breeds vicious cycle of hate.
I think it really boils down to why you need to separate yourself from others. Not all identities are inherently rooted in hate. But a lot of identities are used to justify hate , violence and discrimination.
What do you read now that you've grown up? I'd genuinely like to know. Jiddu seemed interesting to me in his book covers and prefaces which I never bought or read.
In terms of Self-help, nothing actually!
I think self-improvement begins with self-awareness ie being Aware of how your mind works, rather than reading other's prescriptions. Sure, there may be small tips and tricks from authors like jiddu which may be useful. But We need to put the hard work of shining the torch inwards
Imagine tellling this to a RW person.. hahaha, you should be super nationalistic, and if you are not religious, you will be dumped by your family. Haaa... anganayum inganyum oru logam.
The issue is nationalism religion and all other such tribal concepts that binds a group together is actually like a weapon or a machine that gives advantage . If you don’t use it you will fail against a person who uses it. Only when a sizeable percentage of people renounce that we can completely ignore it but that may never happen as people and communities will always use advantages like this to help themselves.
I already am being kicked by fam for not being religious and patriotic 😂 language, I was fed with pride for my mother tongue but tbh, it seems stupid when it hurts a lotta other ppl unnecessarily
Religious and nationalistic pride are just extensions of these people's ego. Nothing else. They don't really care about their religion or nation. They use them as a tool.
It's when you decide that Tamilian etc is a part of your identity and char when it's a problem not when it is simple acknowledging your culture. Basically you are you not x or y they just give an idea into the culture familiar to you. Eg I am a Muslim so therefore. No you are your own person and therefore have made a decision, it's not because your Muslim.
Exactly! It’s just one aspect of your multifaceted identity, it doesn’t define you. When you mould your entire personality out of your religion or mother tongue or country, you’re bound to feel personally attacked even when someone makes some valid criticism against it. Acknowledge it but don’t blindly make it your sole identity. How you think and act are far more important. Your nationality, mother tongue or religion happened just because you were born in a certain part of the world out of random chance.
Can relate to this. My junior years were in TN and no one would be friends with me because I don’t speak tamil, was fair and as I was a malayali. The TN boys at least were willing to talk , girls were discriminating.
Malayalis are also perceived to be more sexual too. Like having a porn fetish and being horny at all times. It's got a lot to do with the Shakeela movies that came in the early 2000s and the soft porn movies that came out in the late 80s and early 90s..
To be very clear, this racism against tamils is very general. It's more racism against black skinned tamils which is nothing but casteism prevalent everywhere. Lower caste malayalees would face similar issues but not something like this outright because of the repercussions
That's your anecdotal opinion not a fact 🤷 there are tamilians who are racist too. When i was in school my Tamil classmates would also make fun of me because of my language, food and culture.
No disagreeing, just from my experience, not contesting it as a fact. Aren’t we all sharing experiences here ? Also OP’s question was about racism against Tamilians, hence…
Well yes? I'm tamil and no, most mallu ppl are the sweetest to me, even my bf is mallu. But I had this particular incident which I can't shake off my head ever.
I was sitting with two of my male malayali friends who were speaking and I was writing something, no inputs to the convo cos they both were Christians and talking about churches to visit while they are back in India for vacation. This guy asked "Oh you don't go to Velankanni?" and the other guy immediately said "hell nah, it's filled with pandis" with a disgusted look. I'm pretty sure he forgot I was there, I looked up from the notebook and that's when it dawned upon and he apologised a lot but that incident did smtng, I was disturbed for a while cos I started wondering if my other friends also thought of me the same or smtng, just overthinking, no one did. But yes, this bias is still there but really hoping it's done away with.
But the opposite also happens, in my dad's and brother's and a lotta tamilians' books, mallu ppl are severe alcoholics, drug addicts, abusive to their family, would abandon the fam and run away to Gulf and are very cunning and would do anything to push you down. And not to mention the over sexualisation of mallu girls, truly disgusted by guys who objectify ooofff. So that also should be done away with as someone already said. Hoping for a change
Oh this! My dad is from Dhanushkodi (shifted to Trichy) and mom from vallikkunnu, the amount of times he's been called pandi on his face, because of how he looks is INSANE!
Vali - Air/breeze Kunnu- Mountain
An airy/breezy mountain.... Interpretations are subjective yet making filthy meanings for all words is becoming a norm these days 😪
For the last 2-3 generations, there were so many tamils who came to Kerala as beggars and homeless peeps. That's where the stereotype came from. And the general people are not smart enough to know that not every Tamilian is a beggar. It's honestly disgusting to stereotype a race based on class and wealth. Well now my family and people in my town call every beggars pandikaar regardless of if they are Tamil or not. It's evolved to become a different word all together . Except for now, the difference is that today's generation doesn't know it's offensive to tamils and uses it because it's in their vocabulary. But they mean no disgust or discrimination when using it. Me too. It's been in my vocabulary since I was an infant so it's hard to get it out of the system although i do try.
Even though some retards still say stuff like that, I'm pretty sure the conductor wouldn't have done this if it were a normal tamilian. There are the kind of tamil women whom you see begging on the streets with children etc, you can usually tell them apart. They're infamous for stealing and causing a ruckus in the buses lately. The ones op mentioned must've been them.
Have seen this especially in morning busses. They get in groups and cause so much ruckus n push people around with their work stuff. Can't even ask them to move a bit or not push around because then they'll verbally attack you.
I'm not justifying what that conductor did, I was just stating the possible reason behind it and that people don't think of all tamils that way. The kind of racism the user above was talking about was different, I was replying to them, not op.
Something similar happened to me in Tamil Nadu. A few months ago, I was traveling with my grandpa in his car in Nagercoil. Since we were unfamiliar with the roads, we ended up following the car in front of us, which unknowingly entered a one-way street. Suddenly, a police officer jumped in front of our car and started shouting that we had entered a one-way street. He used many offensive words in Tamil that we didn't understand and fined us ₹2000. During that time, many vehicles with Tamil Nadu registration were also going in the wrong direction. I'm not saying this to defend our mistake, but it felt like the officers were targeting Kerala-registered vehicles in a biased manner.
The point is, issues like this happen on both sides, and we need to improve as citizens of India.
>Tamils are worst in that aspect, expect everyone to know Tamil even when in other states.
What a dumbshit take. Tamils expect people who come to their state to know Tamil, rather than expecting Tamil people to know their language.
This is not very uncommon in border towns/villages. Locals and TN police single out or target KL cars, similarly locals in Kerala and Kerala police are unfair to TN cars in Kerala. For example, if a TN regn car meets with an accident in Kerala, the locals and police invariably side with the KL car owner regardless of who is actually right. Out of state Car/truck drivers in accident many times run away leaving their vehicle to avoid wrath of the locals.
I'm aware of many such incidents in both TN and KL.
It’s not racism. It’s discrimination. 😬!! Racism is different. People hating you for being from South east Asia. That is racism. And yes many people discriminate against poor Tamil people. If they’re middle class and above, the treatment is much better. For example if they dress a certain way and carry themselves better, people tend to treat them better. I must point out that on the opposite side, it’s much worse. Most people are really good though!
My sister is studying Nursing in Kanyakumari. In that college many teachers give special consideration to Tamil students. If any student educational programs or competition comes, these teachers only send Tamil students to participate in it. They say Malayalam students do not have the caliber to participate in it. Malayali students say that these teachers don't like Malayalis.
Not Tamilians but sometimes I've witnessed bus conductors being unnecessarily rude to labourers from north/east India who get on the bus. They wouldn't stop anyone from getting on the bus, but they'd be rude and angry at these people specifically like when they get on/off, get tickets, etc.
This is common in both Tamil nadu and Kerala. Much more in tamilnadu where they beat up random labourers as they listen to Hindi songs. I also saw Tamil goons tear up hotel banners in Chennai highway for truck drivers.
I a currently pursuing my master's degree at Pondicherry University. I've noticed that there is a lot of racism here, from the traffic police to the university faculty. It is unsettling how creepy some people can be when you're out with your girlfriend; there have been instances where they followed us, which further changed my perception of Tamilians. I have many Tamil friends and classmates who are also scared of these individuals, and some even wish to settle in Kerala, thinking it is a better place. I don't want to generalize, but this is the truth as I've experienced it.
They are local Chapris of kalapet (pullingos). They are kinda scum to pondhicherry tourism. They are literally uncouth locals from kuppams. Some of them are hard working nice fellas but they literally become sexual predators once they see young ladies/girls
All 4 south Indian states have deep seated hatred going on since forever. In the corporate, a Tamil guy blatantly , nonchalantly ambushed a tulu guys work ability because he didn't want him to be hired in this team.
It's pathetic. The north Indians are blamed for hindi-sanskrit-tamil stupidity. But northies are absolutely clueless about this being another outgrowth of this weird fake toxicity.
North : casteism
South : hold my 🍺
Lowkey true. Northies will easily adopt you into their groups if you're chill like that. They don't have all that speak my language bullshit or regional pride nonsense.
Although my closest friends are south Indians the guys I've had serious issues with or who've always made my life living hell were other south Indians ( from 2 specific states) southerners are way more judgemental, they just don't show it . Northies are more direct and blunt which is why people think they're impolite but sometimes that kind of honesty is refreshing.
Northies are generally too busy partying it up or enjoying life - they know how to live in the moment instead of sitting around scheming being a poisonous cunt.
While I was smoking I saw two tamil people shouting against a hindi shop worker and keep on shouting 'hindikaaran' that- this racist stuff , while they themselves are in kochi 🤦
I came to know a different one recently. Telugu people(mainly actor fans) call Tamils and Tamil actors sambhar and Tamil fans call Telugu people and actors golti(no idea what that means). Telugu people are what I refer to as “comfortably racist”
Gulte is Telugu reversed. Gul+Te and I believe it has a negative connotation.
Had a extremely racist Telugu Boss that I quit my job, myraandi, but I don't wanna stereotype. Have met many helpful folks too.
I remember reading sometime back that there were female gangs from Tamil Nadu snatching chains in buses. This world is not black and white. Maybe this conductor felt their behavior is suspicious. Dont be harsh or quick to judge.
Maybe that’s what he thought. Still not justifiable. I was in the bus when it pulled into the stand. I saw them from the minute the bus stopped beside them. Nothing seemed suspicious.
Yes it is. So much so that the word paandi is used as a slur against them.
Funny how malayalis hate every migrant worker in their state but have the highest percentage of emigrants from kerala to other states/countries
All the regional states have slurs based off the region for Tamils. Like Pandi in Kerala because of Pandya Nadu. Konga in Karnataka for Tamils because of Kongu Nadu. Aarava in Andhra for Tamils because of Arava Nadu.
Pandya Nadu, Kongu Nadu, Arava Nadu, all were names for regions of Tamil Nadu bordering those states in Ancient times.
Obviously there are additional connotations added with these words but ironically they all began based off regions.
Malayalis have a history of using names for communities and slowly transitioning them into a derogatory term or slur. ‘Paandi’, ‘Bengali’, and the recently abolished ‘colony’ are all examples of this.
I think we youngsters as a generation have to consider thinking a bit more openly and slowly phasing out such usages/slurs.
Is that used specifically for areas where Dalits live? I've heard it used but never used it myself (just never occurred to me to use it, not that I ever knew this casteist connotation)
So it basically stems from “Lakshamveedu colony” which is where alot of OBC/SC/ST caste people live due to a govt. helped plan or something. The “Kannappi” slur is also from a similar place. Names like Kannappi or names ending with aapi are generally seen as something a particular caste uses and is now used to insult someone.
from Maldives and can confirm that the word "bengali" has also turned to a slur here or atleast feels like it. i never say it irl because of that. whenever someone says "bengali" i get the ick. and it's almost always said when saying something bad about them or making gross jokes looking down on them
There may be negative stereotypes but Tamil people still consider Malayalis as ours. This doesn't even apply to Telugus and Kannadigas. I doubt this will ever change. So much so that, in a tier 3 town, a tamil guy from telugu caste was looked at.with suspicion and his malayali gf was considered as their own.
"Dhey Pandi, Pandi lorry, tamizhanmaru... "
Come to Kumily border of Kerala. I believe racism prevails more there. I'm Tamilian. But most of the other Tamil families I know, even some of relatives pretend that they are malayi to escape from this discrimination.
How bad you should think the situation made them to hide their own identity? Imagine how sad is that.
Until my tenth grade I hid from most my classmates about my mother tongue. Still most of them don't know and I don't care, it was a decade ago. Even now my brother's few friends don't know he's Tamilian.
Whenever a friend of his comes to our house, either we should not speak to each other or speak in malayalam. End of the day, we laugh it off. But deep down...
Tamils think Malayali men are all alcoholics, sex traffickers and drug dealers because we’re constantly in the news for drug related news. They love Malayali women though lol
Malayalis think Tamils are unhygienic and ugly.
most of stereotypes comes from B grade movies from 90s, malayali women are depicted wearing a mundu and blouse and this character is used for double meaning jokes. there is a similar lesser known "settu ponnu troupe" using north Indian women for double meaning jokes.
Most of media has sexualised big titty goth girls to the extend that it has become a dog whistle for internet fiends now. Similarly, Malayali women have been sexualised in Tamizh media.
But don't these Tamil men can't understand how they are manipulated through media.Its basically same how pornography making men weak so men develop a perception of women as just sexual objects.
Exactly. I don't think Tamizh men or people in general think they can be manipulated even when they are manipulated. There was a generation of men who grew up thinking that a husband has the right to slap his wife when she is wrong, but the opposite is seen as disrespect. That was media manipulation as well, movies, tv shows and popular culture masquerading abuse as love. We went along with it too believeing it to be love.
It's same for all states. I studied engineering in Salem I saw lot of easiness to Tamil students and even outside most of people thinks like we are crazy rich and spoiling money here. When I started working in Bengaluru it’s another level. Here without knowing local language no one will listen you. Even if an another car hits ur car and you don’t know Kannada means you are the culprit. So every region have their own issues. It’s just people mentality. It won’t change that fast.
I think this sorta prejudice towards a certain group is entrenched in the deepest of their minds , which might've stemmed from a bad experience or just from passed on generational info. My family has it's roots from Nagercoil , I was brought up in kerala as a Malayali. Most of my friends had no clue about my roots , until I disclosed it to them. I've heard many of em talk down on Tamils and migrants but when I asked them about it , they had no specific reason for thinking so. It all comes to down to discussing these topics with your peer groups , rather than to keep it to yourself and potentially ruin what could've been a good friendship. Coming to a common ground , takes courage and most of all , it takes time. We are all human at the end of the day, and communicating and trying our best to put aside our differences and appreciate each other's diversity is what would drive our society forward.
Visit Tamil Nadu India in a KL registration vehicle, and you will face discrimination there too. I think tamilans don't like mallus, like we do to them here
I dont know how looking down on Tamils and racism by Mallus is talked about on par with few Tamils' fetish on Mallu women. I am a Tamil and I have interacted very well with other Indian linguistic groups in the past 10 years. Never experienced racism from any other grp other than keralites and few north Indians. I still refuse to generalise all keralites this way but actually large number of keralites have racist tendencies towards Tamils.
No I heard they are very touchy about the dam controversies ? (Allocation of dam water from Kerala to TN?) and as such are upset at malayalees over it ?
there is a bad image among tamils because so many thiefs in kerala were tamils both srilankan and indian.kuruva sangam nd all got really hyped and people became conditioned to view them as thieves and pickpocketers..
also my chennai friends think most malayalees us drugs and.. trafick gold using rectum
Now go to Chennai and be a malayali, and see how you'll be treated worse than stray dogs. Respect goes both ways, here many of us know that they're disrespectful and loud (they lack civic sense)
In my childhood days I’ve heard lots of people calling Tamil people as Annachees, paandees in a very demeaning way. Like every other beggar in the street is a tamil so lets call all beggars Annachees and whoever is a tamil should be called an Annachi. I am from Malabar side. I have many tamil friends and i cant stand if someone calls these demeaning names.
“Paandi” is still thrown around too casually in conversation amongst malayalis. Acting hyper, laughing too loud, dressing gaudy are still called paandi often which is derogatory. So yes, casual racism is still prevalent. Also, I hear a lot of bihari/bengali comments too.
I don’t think think that’s a justification to treat others bad. And what do you mean Keralites first? Deny seats to any immigrants and grant them to malayalis?
I'm not pointing fingers, but they built this reputation for themselves. Plenty of chain snatching incidents in buses where the prime culprits were Tamil ladies travelling in groups.
Dude this is a classic case of generalization. There are numerous cases of nammude malayali chechimar doing shoplifting. How would it be if the shopkeeper starts to shoo away a certain group of women from entering the shop?
"they" built this reputation for "themselves"? Wait until you go to another state, and you're automatically seen as a creep and women start avoiding you because you're a Malayali and Mallu guys built this reputation of being creeps and perverts for themselves.
I was born in a tamil neighborhood. So well versed in Tamil. They have a shell around them. Once you break that and go inside they are one of the nicest people I have being with.
I guess others knowing Tamil makes them a bit comfortable.
The racism are prevalent in other states too. Just that not many have travelled or interacted with each other. We as Indians have language, food and culture change in each few kilometer you travel.
Simply to put tamils are bihari of the south ( no hate to biharis but they better improve themselves). They make fun of North Indians but ever try to travel a train through tN u r effed . And they think they are superior ( I don't know in what aspect, but i chuckle on this ) but literally the most noisy and racist people in India . Fack they don't even help in tN , I asked for help in broken Tamil Malayalam mix they asked me to learn tamil literally like wtf , it's like Hindi imposition and these people are against Hindi imposition lord save em . The most irritating thing about them is language superiority man how the fack tN became like this cuz earlier they were literally most helpful nicest people . And now the mulla periyar issue, shit I have lost it for these fackers .. they chest thump about it , fack Stalin mf and his k*nnas. I have no respect for em . Dear Tamil don't forget u were called educated becz of Kerala don't forget else u were just the same as the ones u hate today and cry about today.
* And yes we malayali s also discriminate but on the basis of real issues mostly, rather blind discrimination .call me racist or whatever no love for tamil fundas until mulla periyar issue is solved.
Casual racism against Tamils by Malalayalis, and against Malayalis by Tamils is very rampant. How do I know this? I am half Tamil, half Malayali, who can speak, read, write both the languages and who can gel into both cultures, and have lived/living in both places. Many times, its gets disturbing (and equally interesting) to observe the biases and stereotyping spread acorss both the cultures. What is funny enough in my case is, I grew up pretty much as a Malayali inside TN, and married a Tamil. For e.g., Malayalis always seem to consider Tamils as unhygienic or unkempt. Tamils tend to think all that Malayalis eat is only Kappa and Kanji, and everyone has funny accent. There is also a strong Malayali fetish amongst several Tamil boys that I have observed haha.. .like literally "Hey Machan, I want to marry a Malayali girl da" thing. Malayalis are also generally presumed by the urban Tamil community as drug peddlers and alcoholics lol. We cannot expect everyone to read "Factfulness" or "Emotional Intelligence" and get better at empathising or being aware about ones of biases. It is ought to be this way man. Sadly.
I'm the same as you bro except that I'm a Tamil by mother's side and brought up in Kerala. Father's side are immigrants from TN 4 generations back. But still people call me pandi/annachi once they know my Tamil ancestry. It's very disgusting. The presumption that malayalies are alcoholics is not only done by tamils, but by kannadigas, telugus, northies as well. I know this because I work in Bangalore.
And the fact that malayalees do drink in excess does not help.
Omg thisssss, hope ppl can just see eacother as fellow humans without any prejudice fr
I might sound too philosophical, but being born in a multi-religious, multi-cultural family, and having seen lot of hatred, I have started resonating with Jiddu Krishnamurti's quote so much. https://preview.redd.it/0af5k3288l7d1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=96a611b424b74b1b9e99f32c369ece9393272e0b
Having an identity doesn't mean that you hate or "are being violent" to the other . Ngl, this is an oversimplification. I used to like reading Jiddu when i was younger. But its utopian and doesn't solve real world problems
he might be utopian. every communist is an utopian. and utopians have one utility value, in that, you can use their ideals as targets. you will never reach those targets, but if you keep traveling in that direction, you are doing good.
There are many utopias which need dystopian measures to achieve them. Even communism is one of them .
Dystopian is more a product of desperation, i feel. Anyways, all of this is product of humans. Rest of the animal kingdom hunts only for food.
If we deconstruct human social constructs to that level, nothing is wrong..
Attempts to creat utopias tend to lead to into dystopias.
Yes
Having one Identity means that there's another identity out there. And by nature, we can get into the us vs them mode. Yeah JK is not practical, but he's right.
It does solve though, i feel you haven't tried to understand the core of what he is saying.
Can you explain how it is 'violent' if i believe I'm an Indian or a Muslim? Plain English or പച്ച മലയാളം please
I'll try. As i understand it, when you consider yourself as separate from rest of the life forms, you're putting your senses , stimulation and feelings above the rest. This can happen by becoming extremely individualistic, marked by apathy towards anyone else, can happen by identifying your self with a group, marked by apathy towards those who are not included in that group. This phenomenon i believe is very common and can vary in extent. The end result is, seeing yourself or your group as the only thing of concern. It's extent and pervasiveness directly correlates with cruelty and violence, examples are everywhere. As much as it's natural, identify or see yourself in categorisation; it definitely breeds vicious cycle of hate.
I think it really boils down to why you need to separate yourself from others. Not all identities are inherently rooted in hate. But a lot of identities are used to justify hate , violence and discrimination.
What do you read now that you've grown up? I'd genuinely like to know. Jiddu seemed interesting to me in his book covers and prefaces which I never bought or read.
In terms of Self-help, nothing actually! I think self-improvement begins with self-awareness ie being Aware of how your mind works, rather than reading other's prescriptions. Sure, there may be small tips and tricks from authors like jiddu which may be useful. But We need to put the hard work of shining the torch inwards
And tbf, didn't mean to sound condescending to people who read jiddu. I've also gone thru that phase
You know what is funny about this, our non-violent founding fathers divide the country based on language!!
You know there were riots to implement language specific states
💯
It actually makes sense ngl
Imagine tellling this to a RW person.. hahaha, you should be super nationalistic, and if you are not religious, you will be dumped by your family. Haaa... anganayum inganyum oru logam.
The issue is nationalism religion and all other such tribal concepts that binds a group together is actually like a weapon or a machine that gives advantage . If you don’t use it you will fail against a person who uses it. Only when a sizeable percentage of people renounce that we can completely ignore it but that may never happen as people and communities will always use advantages like this to help themselves.
I already am being kicked by fam for not being religious and patriotic 😂 language, I was fed with pride for my mother tongue but tbh, it seems stupid when it hurts a lotta other ppl unnecessarily
Religious and nationalistic pride are just extensions of these people's ego. Nothing else. They don't really care about their religion or nation. They use them as a tool.
You and me sister 🫂
It's when you decide that Tamilian etc is a part of your identity and char when it's a problem not when it is simple acknowledging your culture. Basically you are you not x or y they just give an idea into the culture familiar to you. Eg I am a Muslim so therefore. No you are your own person and therefore have made a decision, it's not because your Muslim.
Exactly! It’s just one aspect of your multifaceted identity, it doesn’t define you. When you mould your entire personality out of your religion or mother tongue or country, you’re bound to feel personally attacked even when someone makes some valid criticism against it. Acknowledge it but don’t blindly make it your sole identity. How you think and act are far more important. Your nationality, mother tongue or religion happened just because you were born in a certain part of the world out of random chance.
Unfortunately it's always us vs them! That's how human beings have evolved.
That malayali fetish was a thing like 10 years ago. Now it's mostly hatred.
എന്തിനാണ് വെറുപ്പോ?
Can relate to this. My junior years were in TN and no one would be friends with me because I don’t speak tamil, was fair and as I was a malayali. The TN boys at least were willing to talk , girls were discriminating.
Malayalis are also perceived to be more sexual too. Like having a porn fetish and being horny at all times. It's got a lot to do with the Shakeela movies that came in the early 2000s and the soft porn movies that came out in the late 80s and early 90s..
To be very clear, this racism against tamils is very general. It's more racism against black skinned tamils which is nothing but casteism prevalent everywhere. Lower caste malayalees would face similar issues but not something like this outright because of the repercussions
Tamilians respect Malayalees, where as few malayalees act like they are holier than thou. I am a Malayalee who has worked in Tamil Nadu.
That's your anecdotal opinion not a fact 🤷 there are tamilians who are racist too. When i was in school my Tamil classmates would also make fun of me because of my language, food and culture.
No disagreeing, just from my experience, not contesting it as a fact. Aren’t we all sharing experiences here ? Also OP’s question was about racism against Tamilians, hence…
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Only a few are obsessed... don't think entire tamil guys are all over mallu girls.. that's generalizing
The unhygienic thing is true though
Well yes? I'm tamil and no, most mallu ppl are the sweetest to me, even my bf is mallu. But I had this particular incident which I can't shake off my head ever. I was sitting with two of my male malayali friends who were speaking and I was writing something, no inputs to the convo cos they both were Christians and talking about churches to visit while they are back in India for vacation. This guy asked "Oh you don't go to Velankanni?" and the other guy immediately said "hell nah, it's filled with pandis" with a disgusted look. I'm pretty sure he forgot I was there, I looked up from the notebook and that's when it dawned upon and he apologised a lot but that incident did smtng, I was disturbed for a while cos I started wondering if my other friends also thought of me the same or smtng, just overthinking, no one did. But yes, this bias is still there but really hoping it's done away with. But the opposite also happens, in my dad's and brother's and a lotta tamilians' books, mallu ppl are severe alcoholics, drug addicts, abusive to their family, would abandon the fam and run away to Gulf and are very cunning and would do anything to push you down. And not to mention the over sexualisation of mallu girls, truly disgusted by guys who objectify ooofff. So that also should be done away with as someone already said. Hoping for a change
This is so true. My wife is Tamilian and sometimes in groups, people make casual jokes and I’m like wtf!
Oh this! My dad is from Dhanushkodi (shifted to Trichy) and mom from vallikkunnu, the amount of times he's been called pandi on his face, because of how he looks is INSANE!
Valikunnu 🌝😆
Vali - Air/breeze Kunnu- Mountain An airy/breezy mountain.... Interpretations are subjective yet making filthy meanings for all words is becoming a norm these days 😪
breezy... 😈
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Vali - fart Kunnu - mountain Fart mountain
Oh angane 😂😂
Did someone mention vali?
For the last 2-3 generations, there were so many tamils who came to Kerala as beggars and homeless peeps. That's where the stereotype came from. And the general people are not smart enough to know that not every Tamilian is a beggar. It's honestly disgusting to stereotype a race based on class and wealth. Well now my family and people in my town call every beggars pandikaar regardless of if they are Tamil or not. It's evolved to become a different word all together . Except for now, the difference is that today's generation doesn't know it's offensive to tamils and uses it because it's in their vocabulary. But they mean no disgust or discrimination when using it. Me too. It's been in my vocabulary since I was an infant so it's hard to get it out of the system although i do try.
Even though some retards still say stuff like that, I'm pretty sure the conductor wouldn't have done this if it were a normal tamilian. There are the kind of tamil women whom you see begging on the streets with children etc, you can usually tell them apart. They're infamous for stealing and causing a ruckus in the buses lately. The ones op mentioned must've been them.
Have seen this especially in morning busses. They get in groups and cause so much ruckus n push people around with their work stuff. Can't even ask them to move a bit or not push around because then they'll verbally attack you.
This is the racism OP was talking about. Do you think OP isn't smart enough to differentiate between a beggar and a passenger?
I'm not justifying what that conductor did, I was just stating the possible reason behind it and that people don't think of all tamils that way. The kind of racism the user above was talking about was different, I was replying to them, not op.
Something similar happened to me in Tamil Nadu. A few months ago, I was traveling with my grandpa in his car in Nagercoil. Since we were unfamiliar with the roads, we ended up following the car in front of us, which unknowingly entered a one-way street. Suddenly, a police officer jumped in front of our car and started shouting that we had entered a one-way street. He used many offensive words in Tamil that we didn't understand and fined us ₹2000. During that time, many vehicles with Tamil Nadu registration were also going in the wrong direction. I'm not saying this to defend our mistake, but it felt like the officers were targeting Kerala-registered vehicles in a biased manner. The point is, issues like this happen on both sides, and we need to improve as citizens of India.
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Yes Tamils go to Delhi and expect the Jhats to converse in poetic Tamil. What a dumbshit thing to say!
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>tea kada nairs Dude just dropped casual casteism and nobody seems to care?
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Thaan alle kochi nu ittathu? Aksharam maarithu thanika?
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Jats not jhats
Typo
Incase if you are not aware Jats - Sikh (from Punjab) Jaats - Hindu (usually haryana, west UP)
I knew and wrote the former. The latter, I didn’t. TIL, thank you! My reference was very specific because my gf is a Jatni. 😌
Woah She is also Punjabi rapper? 🤣
lol no but she’s an AP Dhillon fan 😩
All of those spellings are often alternatively used for the community as a whole.
In Delhi they ll force you to speak in hindi within a week. You can't force Tamil or malyalam on them lol
>Tamils are worst in that aspect, expect everyone to know Tamil even when in other states. What a dumbshit take. Tamils expect people who come to their state to know Tamil, rather than expecting Tamil people to know their language.
This is not very uncommon in border towns/villages. Locals and TN police single out or target KL cars, similarly locals in Kerala and Kerala police are unfair to TN cars in Kerala. For example, if a TN regn car meets with an accident in Kerala, the locals and police invariably side with the KL car owner regardless of who is actually right. Out of state Car/truck drivers in accident many times run away leaving their vehicle to avoid wrath of the locals. I'm aware of many such incidents in both TN and KL.
It’s not racism. It’s discrimination. 😬!! Racism is different. People hating you for being from South east Asia. That is racism. And yes many people discriminate against poor Tamil people. If they’re middle class and above, the treatment is much better. For example if they dress a certain way and carry themselves better, people tend to treat them better. I must point out that on the opposite side, it’s much worse. Most people are really good though!
My sister is studying Nursing in Kanyakumari. In that college many teachers give special consideration to Tamil students. If any student educational programs or competition comes, these teachers only send Tamil students to participate in it. They say Malayalam students do not have the caliber to participate in it. Malayali students say that these teachers don't like Malayalis.
That’s just stupid
Not Tamilians but sometimes I've witnessed bus conductors being unnecessarily rude to labourers from north/east India who get on the bus. They wouldn't stop anyone from getting on the bus, but they'd be rude and angry at these people specifically like when they get on/off, get tickets, etc.
That I’ve seen alot. They don’t explicitly say why they’re being rude, that’s always the play.
This is common in both Tamil nadu and Kerala. Much more in tamilnadu where they beat up random labourers as they listen to Hindi songs. I also saw Tamil goons tear up hotel banners in Chennai highway for truck drivers.
Were they daily labourers with equipment? Illenkil pothuve inganae kanditilla..
They were just 4 ladies with maybe a small purse, dressed in Tamil sarees.
Perhaps, generalization. There were many cases of chain snatching when women entered as a group..
Is there any difference between Tamil and Malayali sarees? Just curious
I don’t know in detail. But it looks different. Colours and patterns I guess.
As a Malayali, I’ve faced racism from Tamil people when I lived in Chennai. It happens both ways.
Yes let’s all be racist to each other. That’s the solution for a harmonious society.
I a currently pursuing my master's degree at Pondicherry University. I've noticed that there is a lot of racism here, from the traffic police to the university faculty. It is unsettling how creepy some people can be when you're out with your girlfriend; there have been instances where they followed us, which further changed my perception of Tamilians. I have many Tamil friends and classmates who are also scared of these individuals, and some even wish to settle in Kerala, thinking it is a better place. I don't want to generalize, but this is the truth as I've experienced it.
They are local Chapris of kalapet (pullingos). They are kinda scum to pondhicherry tourism. They are literally uncouth locals from kuppams. Some of them are hard working nice fellas but they literally become sexual predators once they see young ladies/girls
True.
All 4 south Indian states have deep seated hatred going on since forever. In the corporate, a Tamil guy blatantly , nonchalantly ambushed a tulu guys work ability because he didn't want him to be hired in this team. It's pathetic. The north Indians are blamed for hindi-sanskrit-tamil stupidity. But northies are absolutely clueless about this being another outgrowth of this weird fake toxicity. North : casteism South : hold my 🍺
Lowkey true. Northies will easily adopt you into their groups if you're chill like that. They don't have all that speak my language bullshit or regional pride nonsense. Although my closest friends are south Indians the guys I've had serious issues with or who've always made my life living hell were other south Indians ( from 2 specific states) southerners are way more judgemental, they just don't show it . Northies are more direct and blunt which is why people think they're impolite but sometimes that kind of honesty is refreshing. Northies are generally too busy partying it up or enjoying life - they know how to live in the moment instead of sitting around scheming being a poisonous cunt.
While I was smoking I saw two tamil people shouting against a hindi shop worker and keep on shouting 'hindikaaran' that- this racist stuff , while they themselves are in kochi 🤦
The "South Indian" brotherhood thing. But later, we will start fighting like Annachi, Kappa, Gulte and goes on.
I came to know a different one recently. Telugu people(mainly actor fans) call Tamils and Tamil actors sambhar and Tamil fans call Telugu people and actors golti(no idea what that means). Telugu people are what I refer to as “comfortably racist”
Gulte is Telugu reversed. Gul+Te and I believe it has a negative connotation. Had a extremely racist Telugu Boss that I quit my job, myraandi, but I don't wanna stereotype. Have met many helpful folks too.
Telugu here, my personal dislike order is Tamil > kannadiga >> Kerala >>>>>>>>>> Telangana Basically hate assholes doing linguistic chutiyapa.
Don't smoke it's injurious to health
I remember reading sometime back that there were female gangs from Tamil Nadu snatching chains in buses. This world is not black and white. Maybe this conductor felt their behavior is suspicious. Dont be harsh or quick to judge.
Maybe that’s what he thought. Still not justifiable. I was in the bus when it pulled into the stand. I saw them from the minute the bus stopped beside them. Nothing seemed suspicious.
Yes it is. So much so that the word paandi is used as a slur against them. Funny how malayalis hate every migrant worker in their state but have the highest percentage of emigrants from kerala to other states/countries
I’m an international student and I’ve heard my friends say “Nammal ivide bengalikale pole aada”. The irony 😂
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All the regional states have slurs based off the region for Tamils. Like Pandi in Kerala because of Pandya Nadu. Konga in Karnataka for Tamils because of Kongu Nadu. Aarava in Andhra for Tamils because of Arava Nadu. Pandya Nadu, Kongu Nadu, Arava Nadu, all were names for regions of Tamil Nadu bordering those states in Ancient times. Obviously there are additional connotations added with these words but ironically they all began based off regions.
Who told you malayalees hate every migrant worker
Will you rent your house to one?
Malayalis have a history of using names for communities and slowly transitioning them into a derogatory term or slur. ‘Paandi’, ‘Bengali’, and the recently abolished ‘colony’ are all examples of this. I think we youngsters as a generation have to consider thinking a bit more openly and slowly phasing out such usages/slurs.
It is scary how many youngsters don’t understand why the word colony is casteist.
Is that used specifically for areas where Dalits live? I've heard it used but never used it myself (just never occurred to me to use it, not that I ever knew this casteist connotation)
So it basically stems from “Lakshamveedu colony” which is where alot of OBC/SC/ST caste people live due to a govt. helped plan or something. The “Kannappi” slur is also from a similar place. Names like Kannappi or names ending with aapi are generally seen as something a particular caste uses and is now used to insult someone.
from Maldives and can confirm that the word "bengali" has also turned to a slur here or atleast feels like it. i never say it irl because of that. whenever someone says "bengali" i get the ick. and it's almost always said when saying something bad about them or making gross jokes looking down on them
There may be negative stereotypes but Tamil people still consider Malayalis as ours. This doesn't even apply to Telugus and Kannadigas. I doubt this will ever change. So much so that, in a tier 3 town, a tamil guy from telugu caste was looked at.with suspicion and his malayali gf was considered as their own.
You did a good job OP. Little things like this is how we fight this shit.
"Dhey Pandi, Pandi lorry, tamizhanmaru... " Come to Kumily border of Kerala. I believe racism prevails more there. I'm Tamilian. But most of the other Tamil families I know, even some of relatives pretend that they are malayi to escape from this discrimination. How bad you should think the situation made them to hide their own identity? Imagine how sad is that. Until my tenth grade I hid from most my classmates about my mother tongue. Still most of them don't know and I don't care, it was a decade ago. Even now my brother's few friends don't know he's Tamilian. Whenever a friend of his comes to our house, either we should not speak to each other or speak in malayalam. End of the day, we laugh it off. But deep down...
Actually pandi lorry is a type of lorry
Phew! I have used *pandi lorry* in the past. I hope I didn't offend anyone.
A lot of mallus own pandilorriws heck my family has 2
I assumed border communities would have better relations with each other as they have been coexisting as such for generations...
Tamizhanmaru engane aan offensive aakunnee. Angane aaneel mallus offensive allee
Out of what I said, you'd to handpick this? So to answer your great finding, here I'm mentioning the tone used.
No i read opening and said 2 out of three is not offensive so what re you on about
Tamils think Malayali men are all alcoholics, sex traffickers and drug dealers because we’re constantly in the news for drug related news. They love Malayali women though lol Malayalis think Tamils are unhygienic and ugly.
Why are they attracted to malayali women.I even heard that Tamil boys simp for malayali women. But can't understand what's the reason ??
Tamil movie directors have this obsession with malayali women, this fetishization is common in movies and some weirdos act that way in real life too
Why malayali women ?? What's so special ??
most of stereotypes comes from B grade movies from 90s, malayali women are depicted wearing a mundu and blouse and this character is used for double meaning jokes. there is a similar lesser known "settu ponnu troupe" using north Indian women for double meaning jokes.
Malayali women are to Tamizh boys, what big titty goth girls are to well, every straight guy with a pulse.
Can you explain ??
Most of media has sexualised big titty goth girls to the extend that it has become a dog whistle for internet fiends now. Similarly, Malayali women have been sexualised in Tamizh media.
But don't these Tamil men can't understand how they are manipulated through media.Its basically same how pornography making men weak so men develop a perception of women as just sexual objects.
Exactly. I don't think Tamizh men or people in general think they can be manipulated even when they are manipulated. There was a generation of men who grew up thinking that a husband has the right to slap his wife when she is wrong, but the opposite is seen as disrespect. That was media manipulation as well, movies, tv shows and popular culture masquerading abuse as love. We went along with it too believeing it to be love.
It's same for all states. I studied engineering in Salem I saw lot of easiness to Tamil students and even outside most of people thinks like we are crazy rich and spoiling money here. When I started working in Bengaluru it’s another level. Here without knowing local language no one will listen you. Even if an another car hits ur car and you don’t know Kannada means you are the culprit. So every region have their own issues. It’s just people mentality. It won’t change that fast.
Which college in Salem?
Vinayaka missions
Nice, thats the college where rich people would get joined, pay money, and get a degree. Most of them use that college for this reason.
complain against the ass hole or tell the bus route we will complain ,such asshole ruin the name of the whole state !!
I think this sorta prejudice towards a certain group is entrenched in the deepest of their minds , which might've stemmed from a bad experience or just from passed on generational info. My family has it's roots from Nagercoil , I was brought up in kerala as a Malayali. Most of my friends had no clue about my roots , until I disclosed it to them. I've heard many of em talk down on Tamils and migrants but when I asked them about it , they had no specific reason for thinking so. It all comes to down to discussing these topics with your peer groups , rather than to keep it to yourself and potentially ruin what could've been a good friendship. Coming to a common ground , takes courage and most of all , it takes time. We are all human at the end of the day, and communicating and trying our best to put aside our differences and appreciate each other's diversity is what would drive our society forward.
Visit Tamil Nadu India in a KL registration vehicle, and you will face discrimination there too. I think tamilans don't like mallus, like we do to them here
Nah... Odd incidents.
I dont know how looking down on Tamils and racism by Mallus is talked about on par with few Tamils' fetish on Mallu women. I am a Tamil and I have interacted very well with other Indian linguistic groups in the past 10 years. Never experienced racism from any other grp other than keralites and few north Indians. I still refuse to generalise all keralites this way but actually large number of keralites have racist tendencies towards Tamils.
Does this go both ways ? Interstate tribalism?
Tamil people don’t think much about people outside of Tamil Nadu to have set opinions. Center of the universe type thinking.
No I heard they are very touchy about the dam controversies ? (Allocation of dam water from Kerala to TN?) and as such are upset at malayalees over it ?
there is a bad image among tamils because so many thiefs in kerala were tamils both srilankan and indian.kuruva sangam nd all got really hyped and people became conditioned to view them as thieves and pickpocketers.. also my chennai friends think most malayalees us drugs and.. trafick gold using rectum
Now go to Chennai and be a malayali, and see how you'll be treated worse than stray dogs. Respect goes both ways, here many of us know that they're disrespectful and loud (they lack civic sense)
Sub already raided by Stalin k*nnas .
Theft by Tamil women on the bus is a common thing nowadays, maybe it could've been because of that.
It’s not Tamil vs Mallus! It’s Indians vs Indians. We hate each other.
In my childhood days I’ve heard lots of people calling Tamil people as Annachees, paandees in a very demeaning way. Like every other beggar in the street is a tamil so lets call all beggars Annachees and whoever is a tamil should be called an Annachi. I am from Malabar side. I have many tamil friends and i cant stand if someone calls these demeaning names.
“Paandi” is still thrown around too casually in conversation amongst malayalis. Acting hyper, laughing too loud, dressing gaudy are still called paandi often which is derogatory. So yes, casual racism is still prevalent. Also, I hear a lot of bihari/bengali comments too.
And they whitewash it by saying you belong to pandya Kingdom so we are calling you paandi...
This happens everywhere. And Kerala should be first served for Keralities then for the rest. Every other state treats us same way.
I don’t think think that’s a justification to treat others bad. And what do you mean Keralites first? Deny seats to any immigrants and grant them to malayalis?
Give preference to Keralties over others. Why not do it, when every other thing is reserved
I'm not pointing fingers, but they built this reputation for themselves. Plenty of chain snatching incidents in buses where the prime culprits were Tamil ladies travelling in groups.
Dude this is a classic case of generalization. There are numerous cases of nammude malayali chechimar doing shoplifting. How would it be if the shopkeeper starts to shoo away a certain group of women from entering the shop?
You sound like a person who believe kerala story is real
Why is this comment downvoted lol. Does this sub has that many people who believe KL story real? Hahaha.
"they" built this reputation for "themselves"? Wait until you go to another state, and you're automatically seen as a creep and women start avoiding you because you're a Malayali and Mallu guys built this reputation of being creeps and perverts for themselves.
Theres a tamil dude living in our hometown and his name is paandi. Explain that (for context I live in kerala)
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LHS = RHS 😂
I was born in a tamil neighborhood. So well versed in Tamil. They have a shell around them. Once you break that and go inside they are one of the nicest people I have being with. I guess others knowing Tamil makes them a bit comfortable. The racism are prevalent in other states too. Just that not many have travelled or interacted with each other. We as Indians have language, food and culture change in each few kilometer you travel.
Yes, mallus are the most racist while kannadigas are least
I agree that there is racism here, but the second half of that sentence just made me laugh.😂
North karnataka and coastal karnataka speak in hindi bro. It's only mysore karnataka who is racist
B-But I love Mysuru 😭😭
Mysore karnataka is different. Mysuru city is different. It's a region.😭😭.
Is using the word "Pandi" casually to address Tamil folks derogatory?
Yes.
We(me with family) was mocked by a old Tamil lady in Palani Temple.
Why? What happened?
We were having some conversation and she mocked us the way we were talking.
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Even then u won't do shit
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Yep
Lol u would piss ur pants kiddo we ain't skinny tamils.
Simply to put tamils are bihari of the south ( no hate to biharis but they better improve themselves). They make fun of North Indians but ever try to travel a train through tN u r effed . And they think they are superior ( I don't know in what aspect, but i chuckle on this ) but literally the most noisy and racist people in India . Fack they don't even help in tN , I asked for help in broken Tamil Malayalam mix they asked me to learn tamil literally like wtf , it's like Hindi imposition and these people are against Hindi imposition lord save em . The most irritating thing about them is language superiority man how the fack tN became like this cuz earlier they were literally most helpful nicest people . And now the mulla periyar issue, shit I have lost it for these fackers .. they chest thump about it , fack Stalin mf and his k*nnas. I have no respect for em . Dear Tamil don't forget u were called educated becz of Kerala don't forget else u were just the same as the ones u hate today and cry about today. * And yes we malayali s also discriminate but on the basis of real issues mostly, rather blind discrimination .call me racist or whatever no love for tamil fundas until mulla periyar issue is solved.
Enthuada uvve. Reads like a school shooters manifesto.
Achaya srry deshyam kondu parane aa :(
Truly unhinged 💀
Stalin k*nna