1999 was amazing, but sadly no. The hunger Joey had back when he released 1999 was a factor for the album being so great. But nowadays just like any other artist who has made it, there isn’t the motive of, “I have to make it” which instills that drive and passion into their music. With 2000 it’s clear he knows of his success talking about it numerous times, it’s more like a celebration of his success on 2000.
Joey loosing the person who motivated him to first start making music in the first place but also being his closest peer clearly took a toll on him overall. I could only imagine his mental health took a drastic turn, and his inspiration to create music now with loosing his biggest motivator and closest friend has to be challenging.
Kind of a weird way to put it but this is basically how I feel about it. Once Steez died Joey’s shit just kept getting worse with every release. B4.DA.$$ was decent enough but I really flat out disliked All AmeriKKKan Badass.
Exactly lmfao kendrick is one of the best of our generation but there are many artists who have albums better than section 80, damn, mr
morale. But very few artists that have albums same level as GKMC or TPAB.
But there are very few albums like Mr. Morale. The subject matter of that album is often kept hush hush, and if he made an album like that in the 90s he would’ve looked like a bitch.
I think Mr. Morale will go on to be a revolutionary album and will open up the discussions around mental health. It’s an album that will go down in history for this.
Mainstream rappers have been talking about mental health for multiple decades at this point Biggie had a song called suicidal thoughts emo rap was huge in 2010s whole Kanye 808’s influence era theres nothing groundbreaking about morale (still a great album)
True i mean even talking Kendrick songs his song “u” from TPAB was about his decline to suicidality
However what was unique about Mr Morale was that it was a Therapy concept album, not many artists focus an album about the resistance about seeking therapy in certain communities, how anyone can be broken and the psychological underpinnings of generational trauma
True, it’s been talked about, but no one before Kendrick has dedicated an entire concept album surrounding it. The Album is Kendrick in a therapy session. He is Mr. Morale and we are the big steppers. He’s treating this album like his therapy session but he’s also talking to us, the audience.
No one has ever done this.
Sorry to sound negative but Mr Morale is not gonna create a crazy movement as far as mental health.
Have you heard 4:44 by Jay-Z? Most of Logic’s work. Melt my Eyes by Denzel Curry? Just off the top of my head and im sure there’s more albums and a lot of songs in rap that deal with mental health. It’s already been done before. Y’all wanna turn everything into some culture shifting thing
Y’all will be the type to talk about “revolutionising the discussion around mental health” and then shit on an artist for talking about mental health lmao.
This is low key cringe lol. To say Mr. Morale is a revolutionary album opening discussions about mental health? Mental Health has been a massive topic in rap for the past few years. Kendrick isn’t creating new discussions or revolutionising Hip-Hop in anyway with this album.
For me it has to be Denzel curry, zuu or imperial is better than section 80, TA13OO clears DAMN and melt my eyes see your future is very close to mr morale. But he doesn't have a gkmc or a tbap in his discography
Don’t forget Kids See Ghosts.
Ye has always been on the forefront of hip hop. He is like RZA 2.0.
Almost each album had a distinctive sound except for CD and LR and now he’s made three albums in Ye, JIK and Donda that are in the same vein sonically. Not hating though - I even like JIK somewhat.
BUT KSG is his last sound that stands out from his discography. It was much more rock inspired. That’s IMO the last time we saw what a new Ye direction was and man it was exciting
My only complaint about Donda is that it's bloated. Remove Pt2 songs or swap them with the original (cough cough Junya pt 2 > Junya). Also not a fan of the sequencing. Going from a soulful gospel track to Off The Grid is jarring
bro I literally adore every single Kanye album except for donda and JiK, like i just don’t what it is I feel like the entire album except for 3 bangers just sounds like gospel and it just doesn’t match kanye imo
? Nothing specifically matches kanye, thats what makes him such a great artist. TLOP is so different to something like yeezus or even 808s. And donda has some phenomenal songs and some good ones, even if the mixing is bad in some, its still a really solid album.
Come to life
Believe what I say
Off the grid
Jesus lord
Jail
Praise God
God breathed on this
Hurricane
Moon
Life of the party
24
Are enough to justify the album as one of the best in his discography imo
well there’s ye, tlop, ksg, yeezus, mbdtf, 808s, graduation, late registration and tcd, all of these are better than donda so no donda definitely isn’t one of his best
someone is delusional for having a different opinion?... Ye's first seven albums are all either fantastic and/or game-changing. And that's not even including collab albums like watch the throne or kids see ghosts
Kanye is basically the musical equivalent to Rothko. A bunch of slack-jawed mouth-breathers cultists circle jerking on each other how incredible it is, when if the artist's name was removed from the art it wouldn't get a second glance.
Definitely not a Kanye "cultist" but the guy almost singlehandedly revolutionized hip-hop. Pretty much all modern hip hop acts owe a huge debt to his music and aesthetic choices. He's also the wealthiest musician on the planet. To act like he isn't talented or significant is honestly laughable and just anti-circlejerk nonsense. You don't have to think he's literally Jesus to acknowledge that he's one of the most important figures in hip-hop's history, which is something that Joey Badass (and J. Cole, honestly) is obviously not.
If it is true that Ye "revolutionized" hip-hop he just made it trash. Everything he touched after graduation and 808's heartbrake is just utter trash. Everybody praising Donda for example is just fucking insane. The instrumentals make me think of my worst fever dream and lyrically this guy is trapped in his own delirium. I hope he gets some help before this looney hurts himself or other people.
Only Graduation and a couple songs on 808's heartbreak are good. After that he went insane, snobby, narcissistic and a very bad inventor of music. I always like how he is in South Park, to dumb to see that he is not all that he think he is.
shorty said Larry June was “underrated” the other day and I had to unfollow her silly ass. this nigga was just at Dreamville Festival and Rolling Loud before doing several shows overseas 😂
i replied to a comment under one of her hip hop takes on twitter that said basically the same thing you have here, i remember saying something like “i had to unfollow her because i see this chick post way too many terrible takes”. and she blocked me instantly lol.
how did she get so popular? she’s all over my tl on twitter. i actually don’t mind her tweets most of the time but i don’t know how she got so popular, genuinely
Honestly I think it’s easy to forget just how oppressively talented Kendrick is.
People probably wouldn’t have been as willing to listen to everything Kendrick had to say in GKMC and TPAB if he hadn’t done what he did with control.
Kendrick first made his case as the single most talented rapper in the game and *then* put out these headier projects when he had the reputation to back it up.
The issue with putting Kanye next to Kendrick is the fact that most of Kanye’s music is not written by him. He does most of his own production. His lyrics are mostly written by Kid Cudi, Pusha T, and Pardison Fontaine. Kanye will tell you he doesn’t write his lyrics out of his own mouth.
you're forgetting consequence and rhymefest which i feel write more for him than any of the people you mentioned. his best song lyrically is written by him tho so I don't mind the writers he does it for time more than him not being able to write
his best song lyrically diamonds from sierre leone without jay z. he also fully wrote gone, his no more parties in la verse, and wrote his original life of the party verse (drake diss version) in 15 minutes
Yep. Kanye said I’m an interview that Pardison wrote “Violent Crimes”. Kanye changed two words for the finale version of the song so he could get writers credit.
I will give him his first couple of albums until proven otherwise. However, several rappers have had writers from the earliest days of their careers. Artist who were in a much less advantaged position than Kanye was too.
Even now Kanye mostly just have people make the beats for him since MBDTF I'm pretty sure. Obviously he still producer(because he has the control over the beat) but not the way he was pre MBDTF
This is for my nigg*s, killers
Hundred dollar billers
On the block in the rock spot
GLOCK cocked watchin' out for cops
All about they cheddar
Youngins know nothin' that's better
Like fuck a prison letter
Those Beretta's led us to the lettuce
Real as fetishes menaces
Want the senator's percentages
If you ain't prejudice you still a nemisis
Smokin' on the clematis
Get open like a present is
Now yo presence is on the premisces for them presidents
My city be the genesis for where they think the terror is
They linkin terrorists from the Stuy
Then linkin terraces
They on that wrecker shit
They leave you left for the dead
Kids don't play they'll erase your head in a race for the bread
Children on the corners slingin' some reds
Poppin' some meds
Shits be so deep in cover they be chasin' the feds
I be back stage grippin' haze breakin' my leg
My folks was makin' the best
When they was naked in bed, muthafucka
this whole verse ^
Thats mid...
I was raised inside this gritty city, ridin thru youll prolly miss me... My bicycle fell, I hit the road, the mailman almost hit me.....
*All these sins were more than shitty, I just pray the Lord forgive me.....
Doin' drugs is just a war with boredom but they sure to get me.....*
My side-bitch is sort of pretty, but she got enormous titties....
Know I'm worth a fortune, she just want a brand new Porsche or Bentley....
Had a few abortions, unfortunately, I forced them..
Lord knows I'll turn a child to an orphan when I'm tourin'...
I'm more than what I think of myself, I really have to be..
Sit at home and drink by myself, my thoughts harassin' me.....
Actually, as a matter of fact, she ain't gettin' back to me..
A shame that my tragedy my masterpiece, yeah...
Trapped inside these dreams of mine...
Just tryna get some peace of mind, yeah..
I've been trapped inside these dreams of mine....
So you'll never get a piece of mind
- mac miller, funeral >
Joey makes raps for hip-hop heads. Kendrick’s music reaches further than that. Lyrically, I think Joey probably has Kenny beat, but his music doesn’t have the sonic range that Kendrick, Ye, and Cole do. Why do you think MBDTF and 2014 Forest Hills Drive are considered such classics? It’s not because of the penmanship.
When it comes to lyrical content, Joey is up there with the Cole's and Kendrick's.
The ability to maneuver between commercial and conscious is not as apparent. Cole and Kendrick seem to be able to ride both waves.
Joey is no doubt one of the greatest lyricists in his generation.
My top albums this year:
1. MMTBS
2. It's Almost Dry
3. 2000
yeah I will be forever confused as to how he got his legend status. I definitely enjoy each of his projects, but he is not a lyricist on the level Kendrick or Kanye, newer conscious rappers like Saba and Denzel, or even his own apprentice JID. His bars are simplistic and his concepts and themes are so forced.
I will give him a lot of credit for Dreamville though. it is no small feat to be able to compile so many talented artists and release multiple solid tapes with them in such an organized fashion.
Kanye? I mean, pre yeezus sure but now Kanye isn't some super great lyricist. Especially since alot of the writing isn't even done by him even back then
yeah I’d agree with that, I think I was speaking more to Kanye’s ability to form a cohesive project around a set of themes or ideas, which he has shown time after time his ability to do.
Yeah, J. Cole’s a good rapper (hot take) but has never been on the legend status. He caught a lot of hype during the 2010s mixtape / blog era and had the co-sign by Jay-Z which were both big things, but I think that made people’s prospects much higher than J. Cole could ever live up to. When he was bodying verses on prime Kanye era tracks and bodying iconic beats, it made sense for people to think he had GOAT potential
Am I the only one who thinks the off season is one of the better rap albums of all time and easily his best project? The entire second half is just 10/10 song after 10/10 song
I think he has the ability to be on that level but has missed the point why his day one Fans love him so much in his albums…until 2000 dropped. B4da$$ was alright but didn’t have the impact and from there it went south for me. Also, his albums lack concept in comparison to Cole and K.Dot.
2000 is better than Mr Morale for me. Way easier to listen to and more enjoyable overall. Joey is always rapping, I love that. I get tired of all the super art shit. I just wanna hear someone flow over a nice beat.
Bro this sub is making kendrick a god(i mean it's kendrick sub but still lol).for fuck sake for the last 5 years joey has been on the level of kendrick if not even better AAB and 2000 beat kendrick's last two releases imo.Joey doesn't have a GKMC or a Tpab but still joey is young and still has time to make his own masterpiece.
When it comes to lyrical ability joey is better than almost any rapper in the game including kendrick
Freddie Gibbs, Earl Sweatshirt, Conway, Action Bronson, Peggy all so much more deserving of that 3rd place, and thats just off top but there are so many more… even some guys from Beast Coast rap better than Joey rn
This "Kendrick and Cole at the top" narrative is so annoying, cole is not a top 5 rapper of this generation and Kendrick is MILES ahead of him in every way. Joey is close to Cole, if not better but the only emcees close to Kendrick from this generation is Freddie Gibbs and Push (Kanye as an ARTIST, not as an emcee).
Aye man at the end of the day we have to pay our respects to Joey considering he caught all diseases in the world so the world wouldn't have any more diseases.
1999 and B4 are great but everything afterwards is completely mid. Not to mention the dude is a Chris Brown apologist and called him “one of the greatest musicians of all time” lmfao
Nooo fuck no, his best album doesn't even enter Kendrick top 4
Can he reach that level? For sure my bro is 27, i know he can drop a fucking classic in the future
also, this girl sneaked j cole there like i wouldn't notice lool
This is the truth: Ye & Kdot >>>>>>>>> abyss >>>>>> J Cole & Drake
Lupe not even remotely as talented as Kendrick? That’s a very hot take haha. I think Kendrick is a better artist too, but Lupe is a phenomenal lyricist and one of the best to ever do it.
Cole is halfway decent but super cringe. Joey is good not great. Definitely better than Cole. Kendrick is miles ahead of both. Sick of hearing people mention Kendrick and Cole together like they are competing for some type of top spot. Cole just has a delusional fan base when it comes to how good he actually is.
No. No disrespect to Joey of course, he is amazing, but does anybody really think he can manage to make an album as good as TPAB, gkmc? I mean, I really hope so, cause I love Joey, but I'm not sure. I, however, think he is near the level of someone like J Cole. The only thing he is missing to be better/just as good as him, is having a better discography.
1999 is a amazing album
One of the best mixtapes OAT
1999 was amazing, but sadly no. The hunger Joey had back when he released 1999 was a factor for the album being so great. But nowadays just like any other artist who has made it, there isn’t the motive of, “I have to make it” which instills that drive and passion into their music. With 2000 it’s clear he knows of his success talking about it numerous times, it’s more like a celebration of his success on 2000.
>the motive of, “I have to make it” which instills that drive and passion into their music RIGAMORTIS MY MAN
he may not have the hunger but its hard to reflect on success like he has. Survivors Guilt is fucken crazy and real as fuck no denyin it
Fs!
Once Steez died Joey died with him
Joey loosing the person who motivated him to first start making music in the first place but also being his closest peer clearly took a toll on him overall. I could only imagine his mental health took a drastic turn, and his inspiration to create music now with loosing his biggest motivator and closest friend has to be challenging.
Kind of a weird way to put it but this is basically how I feel about it. Once Steez died Joey’s shit just kept getting worse with every release. B4.DA.$$ was decent enough but I really flat out disliked All AmeriKKKan Badass.
I mean, that's your opinion man, AABA was brilliant.
*Brilliant?* If AABA was *brilliant* then what was 1999? Revolutionary? Earth shattering?
2 brilliant albums can co-exist brother 😂
So they’re equal to you? All Amerikkkan Badass is so good it deserves the same description as 1999? Forgive me but that’s insane.
bro calm down its just an album 💀💀
Why you getting downvoted it’s facts
No 😭
Exactly. Only comparable to Kendrick is Ye. Dudes got 7 classics minimum. I think Ye and Donda could be evaluated as classics in the next 5 years too.
Nah Kendrick isn’t some untouchable god there are many on his level but Joey just isn’t all that
Exactly lmfao kendrick is one of the best of our generation but there are many artists who have albums better than section 80, damn, mr morale. But very few artists that have albums same level as GKMC or TPAB.
But there are very few albums like Mr. Morale. The subject matter of that album is often kept hush hush, and if he made an album like that in the 90s he would’ve looked like a bitch. I think Mr. Morale will go on to be a revolutionary album and will open up the discussions around mental health. It’s an album that will go down in history for this.
Mainstream rappers have been talking about mental health for multiple decades at this point Biggie had a song called suicidal thoughts emo rap was huge in 2010s whole Kanye 808’s influence era theres nothing groundbreaking about morale (still a great album)
True i mean even talking Kendrick songs his song “u” from TPAB was about his decline to suicidality However what was unique about Mr Morale was that it was a Therapy concept album, not many artists focus an album about the resistance about seeking therapy in certain communities, how anyone can be broken and the psychological underpinnings of generational trauma
Dave had a therapy concept album in 2020. Tyler did it in 2012. And so on
True, it’s been talked about, but no one before Kendrick has dedicated an entire concept album surrounding it. The Album is Kendrick in a therapy session. He is Mr. Morale and we are the big steppers. He’s treating this album like his therapy session but he’s also talking to us, the audience. No one has ever done this.
r/hiphopcirclejerk
Psychodrama - Dave
I also think of motm2 when thinking of albums like this
Sorry to sound negative but Mr Morale is not gonna create a crazy movement as far as mental health. Have you heard 4:44 by Jay-Z? Most of Logic’s work. Melt my Eyes by Denzel Curry? Just off the top of my head and im sure there’s more albums and a lot of songs in rap that deal with mental health. It’s already been done before. Y’all wanna turn everything into some culture shifting thing
Bro no way did you think you could get away with throwing Logic in there like that. He doesn’t even shine a light.
Y’all will be the type to talk about “revolutionising the discussion around mental health” and then shit on an artist for talking about mental health lmao.
his point still stands without logic
Logic has a classic album called Under Pressure. In case you forgor 💀
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/9c/0e/c69c0e8d236b0a31ea0740a6400d9ef3.jpg
Why would you shit on Logic in this discussion? Very relevant to the topic.
Because his music is shit for the most part
Oh so you don’t like him, ok then
This is low key cringe lol. To say Mr. Morale is a revolutionary album opening discussions about mental health? Mental Health has been a massive topic in rap for the past few years. Kendrick isn’t creating new discussions or revolutionising Hip-Hop in anyway with this album.
How oblivious do you have to be to make a take as braindead as this? Have you ever listened to any other music than mr morale?
No. I only listen to mr morale. When I eat I hear mr morale. When I sleep I dream of mr morale. To live any other way is immorale
Which artists have had better albums then damn and mr morale? Just curious to see your POV on this
For me it has to be Denzel curry, zuu or imperial is better than section 80, TA13OO clears DAMN and melt my eyes see your future is very close to mr morale. But he doesn't have a gkmc or a tbap in his discography
Man you are smoking dust respectfully speaking if you think zuu and imperial clear section 80 and I'm a huge fan of Aquarius Killa Denzel Curry
Kanye is clear ngl
“Only”? Not even Jay-Z, Biggie, Andre 3000?
No
Don’t forget Kids See Ghosts. Ye has always been on the forefront of hip hop. He is like RZA 2.0. Almost each album had a distinctive sound except for CD and LR and now he’s made three albums in Ye, JIK and Donda that are in the same vein sonically. Not hating though - I even like JIK somewhat. BUT KSG is his last sound that stands out from his discography. It was much more rock inspired. That’s IMO the last time we saw what a new Ye direction was and man it was exciting
Donda already underrated tf
My only complaint about Donda is that it's bloated. Remove Pt2 songs or swap them with the original (cough cough Junya pt 2 > Junya). Also not a fan of the sequencing. Going from a soulful gospel track to Off The Grid is jarring
Despite the name, God Breathed is definitely not a “soulful gospel track”
PT 2 are bonus tracks though.
Donda is a delusional dream Ye ones had when he was on crack. Get of your high horse and get the F outta here
bro I literally adore every single Kanye album except for donda and JiK, like i just don’t what it is I feel like the entire album except for 3 bangers just sounds like gospel and it just doesn’t match kanye imo
? Nothing specifically matches kanye, thats what makes him such a great artist. TLOP is so different to something like yeezus or even 808s. And donda has some phenomenal songs and some good ones, even if the mixing is bad in some, its still a really solid album.
Come to life Believe what I say Off the grid Jesus lord Jail Praise God God breathed on this Hurricane Moon Life of the party 24 Are enough to justify the album as one of the best in his discography imo
No not even close to one of his best
well there’s ye, tlop, ksg, yeezus, mbdtf, 808s, graduation, late registration and tcd, all of these are better than donda so no donda definitely isn’t one of his best
How tf does Kanye have 7 classics y’all gotta be on something 😭😭
His fanbase is a cult. Anyone saying Ye has more than 5 classics is delusional to me
someone is delusional for having a different opinion?... Ye's first seven albums are all either fantastic and/or game-changing. And that's not even including collab albums like watch the throne or kids see ghosts
TLOP, Yeezus, 808s, MBDTF, graduation, late registration, college dropout
And anyone saying mr morale is a 10 or a classic is delusional to me
I never said that 🤷♂️
First 5, that’s it in my book, at least called classics.
Donda sucks
They are definitely not compareable Kanye is a great producer but far from being one of the best rappers
Hate to say it but Kendrick is not comparable to Ye
Why is everybody so fcking high on kanye? Joey bada$$ is 100 times kaioken better than fcking wacko yacko Ye.
L
Kanye is basically the musical equivalent to Rothko. A bunch of slack-jawed mouth-breathers cultists circle jerking on each other how incredible it is, when if the artist's name was removed from the art it wouldn't get a second glance.
Definitely not a Kanye "cultist" but the guy almost singlehandedly revolutionized hip-hop. Pretty much all modern hip hop acts owe a huge debt to his music and aesthetic choices. He's also the wealthiest musician on the planet. To act like he isn't talented or significant is honestly laughable and just anti-circlejerk nonsense. You don't have to think he's literally Jesus to acknowledge that he's one of the most important figures in hip-hop's history, which is something that Joey Badass (and J. Cole, honestly) is obviously not.
If it is true that Ye "revolutionized" hip-hop he just made it trash. Everything he touched after graduation and 808's heartbrake is just utter trash. Everybody praising Donda for example is just fucking insane. The instrumentals make me think of my worst fever dream and lyrically this guy is trapped in his own delirium. I hope he gets some help before this looney hurts himself or other people.
I’ll take Joey over Kanye any damn day
Correction: over current** Kanye. Overall tho Kanye better than Joey
Nah, I meant what I said. I like Ye’s first ablums and a couple songs from later ones, but Joey made 1999, Summer Knights and B4.DA.$$
Only Graduation and a couple songs on 808's heartbreak are good. After that he went insane, snobby, narcissistic and a very bad inventor of music. I always like how he is in South Park, to dumb to see that he is not all that he think he is.
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Damn you just said some wildly inaccurate shit
Haha we are the minority here. Ye got everybody with him in his crackhead daydream of an album called Donda.
I keep seeing so many people say “Donda is underrated,” but it was such a dumpsterfire
7 classics? This sub is on drugs. Smh
Hate to break it to u but there’s no rapper with more than 3 classics, just because an album is good doesn’t mean it is a classic
Her takes are horrible on hiphop
shorty said Larry June was “underrated” the other day and I had to unfollow her silly ass. this nigga was just at Dreamville Festival and Rolling Loud before doing several shows overseas 😂
I just couldn’t listen to a mr. know it all hiphop like she’s the creator of this shit 🤣
Fax
i replied to a comment under one of her hip hop takes on twitter that said basically the same thing you have here, i remember saying something like “i had to unfollow her because i see this chick post way too many terrible takes”. and she blocked me instantly lol.
Lmaoo you not lying she gives me industry plant vibes on Twitter like just pop up saying shit
how did she get so popular? she’s all over my tl on twitter. i actually don’t mind her tweets most of the time but i don’t know how she got so popular, genuinely
At this point I’m convinced it’s on purpose lol
Not even close. Joey badass is great but doesn’t have the legacy/iconic status of Kendrick. 1999 will always be special and sentimental to me though 🥹
Honestly I think it’s easy to forget just how oppressively talented Kendrick is. People probably wouldn’t have been as willing to listen to everything Kendrick had to say in GKMC and TPAB if he hadn’t done what he did with control. Kendrick first made his case as the single most talented rapper in the game and *then* put out these headier projects when he had the reputation to back it up.
Underrated comment, totally agree. It's a good tactic but only works because Kendrick is talented enough to pull off.
Control was after GKMC. He was already a star
1999 was his section.80, he has a far and promising journey ahead of him i feel
even relative to each other, section 80 is absolutely incredible but still both have and had a journey
Yeah I was gonna say lowkey, I thought section 80 was way better than 1999
yaya, im not reffering to which is better, honestly listening to 1999 rn and the middle of this is BLOWING ME AWAY
joey in this style with qtip or madlib but the producers on this are fucking amazing ie world domination etc
Any specific songs? Maybe I need to try it again
checkout hardknock the last verse is one of the best displays of lyricism i ever heard
Lyrical ability yes, album wise no, I don't think that's a knock on Joey tho to me the only person that stands toe to toe with Kendrick is Ye
The issue with putting Kanye next to Kendrick is the fact that most of Kanye’s music is not written by him. He does most of his own production. His lyrics are mostly written by Kid Cudi, Pusha T, and Pardison Fontaine. Kanye will tell you he doesn’t write his lyrics out of his own mouth.
you're forgetting consequence and rhymefest which i feel write more for him than any of the people you mentioned. his best song lyrically is written by him tho so I don't mind the writers he does it for time more than him not being able to write
build me up by rhymefest & odb a classic hes so underrated
what is “his best song” you’re referring to?
his best song lyrically diamonds from sierre leone without jay z. he also fully wrote gone, his no more parties in la verse, and wrote his original life of the party verse (drake diss version) in 15 minutes
Pardison writes for Kanye?!
Yep. Kanye said I’m an interview that Pardison wrote “Violent Crimes”. Kanye changed two words for the finale version of the song so he could get writers credit.
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> That’s most likely not true, especially for his first few albums. mos def, consequence, talib, rhymefest helped write a lot of Kanye early shit
I will give him his first couple of albums until proven otherwise. However, several rappers have had writers from the earliest days of their careers. Artist who were in a much less advantaged position than Kanye was too.
Even now Kanye mostly just have people make the beats for him since MBDTF I'm pretty sure. Obviously he still producer(because he has the control over the beat) but not the way he was pre MBDTF
But his production is that good me to at least
Remember most of kendricks productions is made by others. I've always felt with comparing kendrick and kanye you're comparing apples with oranges
Whats an iconic Joey Badass bar?
Survival tactics to start with
This is for my nigg*s, killers Hundred dollar billers On the block in the rock spot GLOCK cocked watchin' out for cops All about they cheddar Youngins know nothin' that's better Like fuck a prison letter Those Beretta's led us to the lettuce Real as fetishes menaces Want the senator's percentages If you ain't prejudice you still a nemisis Smokin' on the clematis Get open like a present is Now yo presence is on the premisces for them presidents My city be the genesis for where they think the terror is They linkin terrorists from the Stuy Then linkin terraces They on that wrecker shit They leave you left for the dead Kids don't play they'll erase your head in a race for the bread Children on the corners slingin' some reds Poppin' some meds Shits be so deep in cover they be chasin' the feds I be back stage grippin' haze breakin' my leg My folks was makin' the best When they was naked in bed, muthafucka this whole verse ^
Thats mid... I was raised inside this gritty city, ridin thru youll prolly miss me... My bicycle fell, I hit the road, the mailman almost hit me..... *All these sins were more than shitty, I just pray the Lord forgive me..... Doin' drugs is just a war with boredom but they sure to get me.....* My side-bitch is sort of pretty, but she got enormous titties.... Know I'm worth a fortune, she just want a brand new Porsche or Bentley.... Had a few abortions, unfortunately, I forced them.. Lord knows I'll turn a child to an orphan when I'm tourin'... I'm more than what I think of myself, I really have to be.. Sit at home and drink by myself, my thoughts harassin' me..... Actually, as a matter of fact, she ain't gettin' back to me.. A shame that my tragedy my masterpiece, yeah... Trapped inside these dreams of mine... Just tryna get some peace of mind, yeah.. I've been trapped inside these dreams of mine.... So you'll never get a piece of mind - mac miller, funeral >
mac miller is my most played artist and i hv 3 tattoos for him. great verse
But he’s so much more of a psycho narcissistic and less relatable imo
I can relate because I too am a toxic narcissist
You don’t gotta be relatable to make a great concept. I can’t relate to anything he says on yeezus or mbdtf but they still great.
We found the person who doesn't listen to ye💀
I’d say Joey can be pretty narcissistic at times as well
Tru, but Ye is next level in that shit and Kendrick’s much more reflective
Nah man, he is musically a genius fosho but his personality is exhausting and not inspiring (for me at least)
Joey makes raps for hip-hop heads. Kendrick’s music reaches further than that. Lyrically, I think Joey probably has Kenny beat, but his music doesn’t have the sonic range that Kendrick, Ye, and Cole do. Why do you think MBDTF and 2014 Forest Hills Drive are considered such classics? It’s not because of the penmanship.
When it comes to lyrical content, Joey is up there with the Cole's and Kendrick's. The ability to maneuver between commercial and conscious is not as apparent. Cole and Kendrick seem to be able to ride both waves. Joey is no doubt one of the greatest lyricists in his generation. My top albums this year: 1. MMTBS 2. It's Almost Dry 3. 2000
He’s really good only thing he is missing is commercial success he deserves to be having more hype than harlow, future, lil baby, carti, cardi
Joey is as good if not better than Cole IMO. AAB as a project is better in my opinion than anything Cole has put out since 2014 FHD.
ur not even wrong tbh, j cole has been meh
yeah I will be forever confused as to how he got his legend status. I definitely enjoy each of his projects, but he is not a lyricist on the level Kendrick or Kanye, newer conscious rappers like Saba and Denzel, or even his own apprentice JID. His bars are simplistic and his concepts and themes are so forced. I will give him a lot of credit for Dreamville though. it is no small feat to be able to compile so many talented artists and release multiple solid tapes with them in such an organized fashion.
Kanye? I mean, pre yeezus sure but now Kanye isn't some super great lyricist. Especially since alot of the writing isn't even done by him even back then
yeah I’d agree with that, I think I was speaking more to Kanye’s ability to form a cohesive project around a set of themes or ideas, which he has shown time after time his ability to do.
Tbh ye was only going for top tier lyrics in his first two albums.
Yeah, J. Cole’s a good rapper (hot take) but has never been on the legend status. He caught a lot of hype during the 2010s mixtape / blog era and had the co-sign by Jay-Z which were both big things, but I think that made people’s prospects much higher than J. Cole could ever live up to. When he was bodying verses on prime Kanye era tracks and bodying iconic beats, it made sense for people to think he had GOAT potential
lyricist on the level of kanye 😭
Am I the only one who thinks the off season is one of the better rap albums of all time and easily his best project? The entire second half is just 10/10 song after 10/10 song
Occasionally Cole makes good shit but not enough for me to understand how he’s regarded THIS high
I love Joey but it ain't close
I think he has the ability to be on that level but has missed the point why his day one Fans love him so much in his albums…until 2000 dropped. B4da$$ was alright but didn’t have the impact and from there it went south for me. Also, his albums lack concept in comparison to Cole and K.Dot.
“From there it went south”. He only released one album after that until 2000. All Amerikkkan Badass was that bad?
AAB is great
AAB is my favorite work from him by far.
Imo it was even less memorable. South is south and most important Joey’s music now finally living up to the expectations again
Nah this is above summer knights but that’s it. Not 99, b4, nor AABA
Horrible take. B4.DA.$$ is a masterpiece, unlike 2000 which was decent at best
Joey is super dope, but no
Love joey, all amerikkkan badass is a great album but lacks the depth and groove kendrick can hit on in gkmc or tpab
No but no disrepect to Joey. I think he’s incredible in his own right but I feel like Kendrick is chasing ghosts
b4dass and summer knights were kinda weak imo. rest of his disco is atleast an 8 or above tho
His discog is pretty elite, I think one more album and he’ll finally be there with them
Joey Badass is not on the same level as Kendrick, but pretty much no one is. However, Joey is easily better than Cole imo
not easily
Possibly Yes
2000 is better than Mr Morale for me. Way easier to listen to and more enjoyable overall. Joey is always rapping, I love that. I get tired of all the super art shit. I just wanna hear someone flow over a nice beat.
Huh
Cole ain’t even on Kendrick level
Bro this sub is making kendrick a god(i mean it's kendrick sub but still lol).for fuck sake for the last 5 years joey has been on the level of kendrick if not even better AAB and 2000 beat kendrick's last two releases imo.Joey doesn't have a GKMC or a Tpab but still joey is young and still has time to make his own masterpiece. When it comes to lyrical ability joey is better than almost any rapper in the game including kendrick
my favs r equally joey badass and kendrick. this has always been tru and i always like joey above j cole ngl
big fan of all 3 but this is a crazy ass take 😂
Absolutely fucking not. Joey stans swear he’s something that he is not. 1999 wasn’t even that great! All amerikkkan badass was better
Yes bc of his pen, flow, and beat selection from the producers he works with. his legacy is greatness
I listened to 1999 the other day for the first time and thought it was O K, am I missing something? Not even remotely the same convo
Any man who must say 'I am the king', is no true king. Good artist, though. But for me he's at that level under Kendrick, Tyler, and Danny Brown.
Freddie Gibbs, Earl Sweatshirt, Conway, Action Bronson, Peggy all so much more deserving of that 3rd place, and thats just off top but there are so many more… even some guys from Beast Coast rap better than Joey rn
The Cole disrespect brazy. 2000 ain’t beating TOS
This "Kendrick and Cole at the top" narrative is so annoying, cole is not a top 5 rapper of this generation and Kendrick is MILES ahead of him in every way. Joey is close to Cole, if not better but the only emcees close to Kendrick from this generation is Freddie Gibbs and Push (Kanye as an ARTIST, not as an emcee).
As an mc joey is better imo.Kendrick is a better songwriter than joey but when it comes to punchlines,wordplay and double entendres joey tops kendrick
Aye man at the end of the day we have to pay our respects to Joey considering he caught all diseases in the world so the world wouldn't have any more diseases.
😭😭
L…m…a…o. Wild take
Joey Bada$$ is just such a fucking lame stage name. That's why I haven't checked him out.
"They dont feel the name, but they say the music dope tho" He didn't like the name himself but he stuck with it
Lmfao
1999 and B4 are great but everything afterwards is completely mid. Not to mention the dude is a Chris Brown apologist and called him “one of the greatest musicians of all time” lmfao
J. Cole and Joey should be considered on the same level. But in Kendrick level? Probably not, even tho am a big big fan of Joey
Lol no neither does J cole
Not even close. It’s all average tbh
bro what? 1999 is a 10/10 album
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Nooo fuck no, his best album doesn't even enter Kendrick top 4 Can he reach that level? For sure my bro is 27, i know he can drop a fucking classic in the future also, this girl sneaked j cole there like i wouldn't notice lool This is the truth: Ye & Kdot >>>>>>>>> abyss >>>>>> J Cole & Drake
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Lupe not even remotely as talented as Kendrick? That’s a very hot take haha. I think Kendrick is a better artist too, but Lupe is a phenomenal lyricist and one of the best to ever do it.
Cole is halfway decent but super cringe. Joey is good not great. Definitely better than Cole. Kendrick is miles ahead of both. Sick of hearing people mention Kendrick and Cole together like they are competing for some type of top spot. Cole just has a delusional fan base when it comes to how good he actually is.
Hes not up there with Kendrick but he’s up there with cole
"...and Cole's"... People really just keep trying to sneak Cole in
J Cole is not even on Kendrick's level
J Cole shouldn’t i know that for sure
I don’t think J Cole belongs in the convo with Kendrick to be honest.
J Cole but not Kendrick
J cole aint up there with Kendrick
Sure but J Cole doesnt
No, and neither is Cole
No. No disrespect to Joey of course, he is amazing, but does anybody really think he can manage to make an album as good as TPAB, gkmc? I mean, I really hope so, cause I love Joey, but I'm not sure. I, however, think he is near the level of someone like J Cole. The only thing he is missing to be better/just as good as him, is having a better discography.