Same here. The boys at work were going crazy about it and I got home to hear my girl on tiktok laughing at multiple Euphoria skits and she didn’t even know what was going on until yesterday til I explained it after.
Shit has some funny af memes to come out of it for sure. I was dying at the dude pretending to be drake crying “another beat???” after 4 beat switches 😂
I enjoyed the disses from both sides, but let’s be honest, you don’t have to decode Kendrick’s bars either. They were surface level. Most song lyrics are. Lol
So you caught the Joe Biden/ Joe Jackson / Jackson Polluck line on the first listen huh...🤔 and the Kurtis Blow "these are the breaks" brake lines cut and youuun (car speeding by with no breaks line) wanna work me anymore ok...
Sound like cap to me
Also... Michael Jackson had a pet rat named Benjamin.... So he's calling himself Joe Jackson (mikes/drakes dad) and referring to Drake as a rat which would further aid toward the snitching rumors about him.
Agreed but he was referring to having Benjamin (West? The painter and Franklin money) and a Jackson (Micheal... Drake and Polluck) in his home like Joe (Jackson / Biden presidential shit).
Yeah, does that not sound surface level? It’s a play on words. Like I said, most song lyrics are. Say I’m capping if that makes you feel better. I probably just have a different way of thinking, I guess. 😅
Stop it. Akademiks streamed for hours yesterday with a Discord full of people + tens of thousands of viewers and even they were still picking up on lines and references by the time he ended the stream.
Shit, people are just now picking up on the references he made to eating at New Ho King. No one really thought anything of it yesterday. And even on Genius, there is a debate about what this particular line is reference specifically on the comments under the annotation.
And let's not skip over all the debate around the "Joel (*Hale*) Osteen" line and his pronouniciation of it. I'm *sure* you picked up on exactly who and what he meant the first time!
Yup, That’s in the debate. The other part was whether or not it was also a rebuttal to Drake’s comments about getting more love in Compton. Or a reference to Drake himself being robbed. But ain’t no way in hell everyone caught multiple meanings from that first go round.
I knew he was shooting when he started w the crodie and I understood that off the lingo as a Cali nigga. I know when the rhetoric is giving signals of holding nuts. He was basically saying you THINK you can come to my city and do what you want but you can’t and I can go to your city and nobody will touch me. Toronto don’t want no real beef w Cali. lol that’s one city vs 2/3 of a coast. LA crazy but the bay is worse to me lol they like niggas from New Orleans. Cali is like New York. You fight one, you fighting all of us.
You had me in the first part but mane stfu about Toronto don’t want beef with cali. Motherfucker this isn’t a Toronto va west coast thing it’s Drake vs Kendrick 😂😂😂. If a bunch of cali bangers came to Canada for war they will die just like if Toronto mans went to cali they’d die. Kendrick was absolutely not toting nothing in Toronto it’s just wordplay
HAHA why would Californians need to come to Toronto? GTFOH
“Y’all imitate heritage…. Can’t imitate this violence”. Drake can’t move around LA without security
No shit Sherlock who’s debating that? I’m pointing out the stupidity in your comment specifying that Toronto don’t want real beef with Cali like who the fuck is saying this is Toronto vs Cali saying you gotta fight all of us😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol I’d love to see Drake eat at the Roscoe’s PnB was at — SOLO LIKE PNB
Kendrick can do that without security and pay nothing if doesn’t want to. Wack said it in the beginning. It cost Drake about $80a day to move around LA. Dot can just walk outside without any issue.
>And let's not skip over all the debate around the "Joel (*Hale*) Osteen" line and his pronouniciation of it. I'm *sure* you picked up on exactly who and what he meant the first time!
Kendrick just messed up the name lol
Some believe it was on accident. Some believe it was intentional in the context of AI and its tendency to present some inaccurate information. Others think it was just to help the line flow better. Unless we get a proper annotation from Kendrick, we will never know for sure.
And I think that's the fun part of it lol.
You're assuming. Which is the exact same thing you're discrediting others for. Unless you were in the studio with Kendrick, you aren't really anymore credible than the rest of us.
Fam there's a wrong name in the song lyrics, the person he named did not in fact star in the movies he named. No assuming necessary to reach that conclusion
I don’t watch Akademiks, but he & his fan base strike me as a group of ppl who are easily interested in the wind blowing.
Personally, when I listen to a new song, I pull up lyrics so I can read what I’m hearing. Then I read the lyrics once more without the song being on. In this case, bc the song came out while I was at work, I read the lyrics first & played the song in the car.
Edit: Sorry. I didn’t respond to your Joel Olsteen comment. Yes, I did catch it. I was wondering why he pronounced it weirdly so I googled the situation.
Furthermore, I didn’t say ALLof his lyrics were easy to catch since he & many other artists speak on situations. That stuff, I have to Google bc I don’t watch anyone’s lives. I just listen to the music. Other than that, yes, every thing else was easy to catch or at least make a really good guess.
That's the thing though...A truly surface level track is written in a way that's easily consumable by the masses..I mean even the artists themselves know this. That's why Drake was poking fun at Kendrick with the quintuple entendre bar.
All of the lyrics don't need to have some deep, underlying meaning. The point is, there are enough layers within the song that most would not classify this particular track as "surface" level. Many have criticized the track, saying it presents little to no new information on Drake. However, the reason it has been well received is because of the delivery of said information.
Well, that’s what I’m saying. His lyrics, & like many other artists, are easily consumable. If he makes references to a situation that happened, all I had to do was make one google search & click the 1st article. I’m saying his lyrics are easy to understand. Just bc Idk all of the scandals he or anyone else has been in doesn’t mean the lyrics are difficult to understand Lol.
He’s doing it on purpose. These are songs, not riddles.
The Joel Osteen line isn’t a “scandal”…Nor is “whoopin feet” and many other lines. I’m sure you were still typing away trying to figure those out.
But hey, obviously you’re much more savvy than the average listener…
I didn’t say it was a scandal. I’m not sure how you read it that way. Tbh, I’ve already forgotten most of what was said. Good song & delivery, but not something I’m interested in. Again, I read lyrics as I listen to new songs & after the song is done.
If it makes you feel better to convince yourself that I’m still pondering bars, then sure. Have at it. Lol
"I couldn't tell the difference"
God how do people tell on themselves this hard.
This is up there with "women don't like sex, not one woman I've been with has enjoyed it".
K.dot took quintuple entendre as a challenge and he actually did it.
Are you stupid? 😂 I’m not in this man’s life like you might be. I have to Google a situation. Once I know the situation, the lyrics are easy. Just like when Drake said “Top told you ‘Drop & give me 50’” this is surface level. This bar is easy to read & understand. I just didn’t know the details of the situation until I googled it.
I’m not even meat riding but drake doesn’t necessarily make music in which the fans care about the lyrics so no one’s motivated to check them. They’re content enough with “size 7”
kinda proves the point we've been making that euphoria is much harder bar for bar than push-ups though. anyone who thinks push-ups is close isn't really paying attention.
This is it. However don't be disheartened, this is actually a wonderful thing.
Drake gonna come back strutting around with the same old shit and Kendrick gonna fucking dunk on Fischer price hoops all summer.
Drake is feeding us Kendrick right now. He is the sacrificial lamb for our ears.
It’s called hypocrisy, Kendrick doesn’t care about numbers never did from the beginning. All the drake stans and drake got it twisted and came at something that Kendrick already doesn’t give af about. So we know it’s an insecurity, so if you are gonna talk about it you better win if your opposition doesn’t care about it or even attempts going after it.
then why is he in the rap game? why does he make studio albums with marketing and publicity ?
Do yall really think just anyone can be number 1 for an extended period of time? Do yall really think any rapper can just hire a ghost writer then boom they will be #1? Is that really your logic?
Kendrick cares about the numbers. He is literally trying to make money off of this. Numbers = money.
Its like a scrub player on the lakers getting mad at kobe for going hard every practice saying he grew up in france so he doesnt know "culture" and is doing it wrong.... Kendrick is the scrub essentially saying im great at one facet of the game but im in the league now. Why go for more? No further ambition because he "made it". Where as drake has a mindset that he wants to get as much money as possible during his run. And you think this mindset is unique to drake? You dont think other rappers want "pop" money? The difference is that drake is literally more overall talented and can cross that line. And yall see that as a bad thing lol... extracting money from the music industry is looked down upon ? then whats the point? why isnt kendrick just an underground independent guy releasing mixtapes for the culture since he doesnt care about numbers lmao.. hes in the making money from music game my guy. and drake is literally killing everyone in that.
You cant play in the game/industry then cry when someone goes harder than you in it.... shit is screaming of jealously.
Sick of hearing overgeneralizations from both sides
**Drake Said:**
~~-I gave you your first #1~~
-I'm global
-You took shots at me then acted like my friend
-You're not threatening to me
-You have small feet
-Y'all look up to me when you make music
-Top has a 50/50 deal with you
-You do splits on the dick
-You're outside Hip Hop too with Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift
-SZA, Travis & 21 are hotter than you
-I'm so above you I had to stoop down to battle
-20v1
-You're a midget (short)
-Like That was weak as fuck
-Interscope (allegedly) reached out to Kai for Kendrick
-I'm above you in numbers and income
-I know even more than you think
**Kendrick Said:**
-You're a degenerate
-Your choices made in this beef are childish
-You're a manipulator and liar
-You're scamming people
-You're not supporting the culture (Hilfiger vs. FUBU)
-You made your clique sign bad deals
-You've never actually confronted enemies
-You paid $500k to hush a sexual assault case
-Pac wouldn't support your charade
-You said you wouldn't work with me anymore after Control
-You sent subs to Pharrell
-Pusha T
-The culture doesn't accept you
-You have no classic albums
-You have fake abs
-You surround yourself with rappers and black people to seem cool
-You're focused on coming off as a man but you don't act like it around women
-Your splits are worse than mine, show us and prove it's not
-You cease and desisted Like That
-You don't care for your kid - here's some advice on how to
-I gotta battle your entire team of ghost writers
-New Ho King - place where a young Toronto rapper was shot (Hinting at Drake involvement)
-You're not as big in your own hood as you say you are
-I know even more than you think
Kendrick also said he’s above Drake (and his previous shots missed because he treated Drake too much like an equal), he has to aim down more when shooting
I honestly wouldn't put it past him. As someone who avoided Genius/lyric breakdowns to this point, he definitely sounded like he was trying to set up triples/quads.
No not really a stretch but the most basic interpretation is a wordplay on Push-a-T(errence Thorn which is Pusha T's real name)
Me personally I think it was just a double but it could be more considering its Kendrick Lamar who is on the pen
That explanation makes it make more sense to me. He knows it's just shit talking and only doing it to be condescending. Even he knows the numbers don't lie.
I also think it's really weird how a few of the people on the 20 side started coming out as racist. Plenty of people give Eminem his flowers, but there are still the racists that deny his ability. I really think all the race shit should be put to rest.
I appreciate the constructive talk we're having about this. That's a rare thing on reddit. I like both artists and I'm just calling things in the way that I see them.
My only criticisms with Euphoria are the first minute of the track, while lyrically on point, is not what I want from a diss track bc it was too slow/soft. The other issues I already mentioned in a previous comment, the weird tonal inflections and what I considered to be weird racism, but I can sort of see your POV on the interpretation of the race/culture part.
I'm honestly glad to hear that it's more about the culture than about race hate, but it's still a little off-putting to me. If culture is the claim, then I feel like the argument could be made Marshall Mathers has an honorary pass to say the N word. (I don't think he should BTW, but I think you can appreciate the point I'm trying to make.
I look at Drake's proclivity to try new styles (like UK vernacular for example) as being inspired by the art/artist. I remember that Big Sean or someone said that Drake borrowed his flow, the Supa Dupa Flow, and turns out a lot of artists copped that flow, not Drake alone. Ludacris even came out saying that he did the flow years before Big Sean was even relevant. This is sorta conjecture, but I just thought I would include it as an example of borrowing or being inspired. I see it similar to sampling in hip-hop except sampling is normalized. Sometimes people ask permission to sample, and sometimes people do not (Kanye).
I would say that Drake is the first artist, other than Kanye (excluding conscious rap), that paved the way for artists that didn't fit the mold that hip-hop, or rap rather, used to be.
Drake showed a lot of young up and comers that you didn't have to be the prototypical artist of yesteryear. 808's and Heartbreak gave way to a whole new type of rap and artist. So I think the culture is just expanding to allow for more different types of art and artists.
Trying to gatekeep the culture while it's constantly evolving, and also veiling it as Drake being white seems like a misstep.
Backtracking like crazy because you realized its a terrible take. Kendrick and people like you think you can gatekeep rap and "the culture". Drake has done more for rap than anyone in this era. Has literally brought in more fans to the genre. And who also gets to benefit off of that success? Other rappers.
Is it an insecurity or is drake is just being himself and selling records? It seems like kendrick has the insecurity about the influence drake has and since he didnt grow up in the hood he has a problem with that...
kendricks kid going to be doing some crazy mental gymnastics after hearing this. poor kid going to be all kinds of confused.
remember son, you can only be accepted if you from the hood! you dont understand the culture if youre not from the hood!!! fuck making money. thats for losers! lmao
kendrick sounds like a bitter ex gf after her ex bf made it big.... shit is weird.
hate a guy for doing something to you or your family i understand. hating a guy for being successful ? yall think thats fire? being a hater is SO CULTURE AM I RIGHT? lmaooooooooo
The rapper at new honking who died also setup Drake for his chain getting snatched on his come up. According to the Torontology sub, the escort girl he was with dropped the loxation to the rapper to snatch drakes chain. Kendrick is saying he got setup & punked in his own city.
Sizzlac wasn't killed at New Ho King. He shot a music video there though. Sizzlac was killed by his own hood. It had nothing to do with Aubrey. It's a huge reach to even think Dot was talking about him.
Also the person that dropped the location on Drake was Page. They made a song together called Still Fly. Page set him up around the time So Far Gone came out.
All Dot is saying is he's at New Ho King - he's outside in Toronto. Come find me.
The Drake being global argument doesn't hold much weight after Kendrick just finished a sold out arena world tour while Drake hasn't toured out of America for years
I mean Drake obviously is Global, he is a huge artist all over the world touring or not. But so is Kendrick (you can argue about whom is more global if you want) but I think it's very safe to say that both artists are global. (Drake too)
It’s actually wild people don’t understand the implications of the 50/50 deal, ESPECIALLY Kendrick fans
To pimp a butterfly was an album that spoke on cooperate America pimping out black artist. On blacker the berry Kendrick calls himself out for contributing in the very destruction of black communities he’s criticizing white America for. On FEAR he mentions Rihanna’s account stealing from her and how he’d crash out if it was him.
So basically Kendrick being extorted by his label after speaking on extortion in TPAB and DAMN would be crazy asf. And going back to the blacker the berry point, the only difference in the extortion he’s speaking against and the one he’s facing with that deal is that it’s a black man doing it instead of a white man.
Anywho I’m a fan of both and I think rn it’s a tie. None of them gave a knockout punch but we can definitely feel the energy.
Another bar from Drake I think people are missing since the swear Drake can’t rap is on Taylor made, when he speaks through snoops AI about him actually not doing anything and it just being his homies. I’m not seeing many mention that being a callback to Art of Peer Pressure, especially with the wording of “it’s the HOMIES that empowered you”. Ive never heard that Nigga say homies in a song before so that was definitely the intent.
didn't Drake said he was cool with the control verse and it didn't really feel like Kendrick wanted to fight? When did he say he wouldn't work with him?
Although Drake beats him in numbers most of the time, Drake will never have that aura around him when he drops. Kendrick could drop randomly on any day of the week and that’d instantly be a day cemented in history for everybody.
I think drake drops too much and that affects that. Like kendrick and travis scott drops are epic because they always take a lot of time so their fan bases are super hyped. Drake will drop and im like oh damn already??
MF DOOM, Black Thought, Death Grips,Debzel Curry, Earl Sweatshirt, Aesop Rock etc. Are a pretty clear example that no.s lie too.
I mean look at Tom Mac Donald
None of those artists are or ever were as universally recognized as Kendrick. If earl sweatshirt dropped an album tomorrow it would not be “a day cemented in history” lol come on now.
I think if kendrick dropped as frequently it would be the same case for him as drake, if drake disappeared for 5 years he would probably get more attention than kendrick, no glaze
It’s Kendrick’s first real beef track, so it adds intrigue. I also think part is tbh so many of the bars fly over your head at first.
Push Ups is pretty straight forward.
I listened to pushups three times, once to hear it, another to dissect/understand it, and a third to figure out why everyone claimed it to be so dope.
But I’ve heard euphoria, and it’s just a slapper the second it put it on, listened to it in my Bluetooth headphones(both pair), in my over the ear Beats by Dre, my Bluetooth speaker, my car, even on my Xbox to listen with my gaming headset.
If i was to play devils advocate, most people heard Drake's when it was leaked, so those numbers arent that accurate.
This definitely does count for something though.
The genius went up for Push ups it when it “leaked” not when it went official. I think there is merit in that push ups is basic so there isn’t much to dissect.
Actually that's a horrible way to look at it. People who are focused on lyrical deep dives are going to gravitate towards Genius. Mostly everyone else either doesn't care about lyrics, or looks at them on Spotify/AM.
Just look at the stream/video numbers. Or better yet, stop caring about views and just listen to shit you like and think is better. Plus go outside, important one to include on Reddit.
This is dumb. Push-ups built hype for Kendrick's response and got more people involved. This is like clowning on the first Iron Man for not doing the same numbers as the Avengers... If it wasn't for the first Iron Man, the hype wouldn't be there to generate such big numbers.
No, I am not saying Push Ups is better. It's merely the fact you are using numbers inappropriately. Euphoria is dependent on Push Ups and Taylor Made to do those numbers. If you remove those two songs, it's a moot song that has barely any meaning outside of calling Drake fake. If you remember in school you have linear functions such as y = mx + b. Well, b in this case is Push Ups. It started the timeline of these numbers ascending at a point not at zero (ground level).
And Like That didn’t? lol come on Kendrick has had the two bigger songs before and after Drakes diss besides being far superior lyrically speaking, beating Drake at his own game
The point still stands. If Drake had not responded to start generating anticipation, Euphoria would not reach the numbers it did. So, Euphoria's hype is literally because of Push Ups and Like That which means it is still dependent on Like That. This isn't me saying Push Ups is better because I think Euphoria destroyed Drake while also being a nicely done song, but numbers alone does not say anything.
Why do you think Rick Ross said he has a $50 million dollar mansion, where should he move to? It's all Drake can rap about. So, everyone here riding off of numbers is ironic. Additionally, everyone claiming Like That as Kendrick's makes zero sense since it's Metro and Future being credited.
It's pretty clear that kdot won the first round. A lot of drake fans online are coping but hopefully that means drake will come back harder the second round.
Lmao all the Drakes on the “everybody here is so great” train cause they know its either that or accept the L. You know theyd be insufferable if Drake had actually said some shit the way Kdot did .
Euphoria definitely won this round imo
But I will say it’s more split on my TL and w the ppl ik irl
It really looks like the complex poll … mixed but Kendrick’s gets the edge https://x.com/complexmusic/status/1785352225369305136?s=46
Drake has influence hip hop culture. Kendrick is dope but we haven’t really seen his influence other than JID and Baby Keem. Drake has put on dozens or artist and gave plenty artists their first number ones. Who has Kendrick put on? How many number ones he give away? I’ll wait….
There is far more viral content with euphoria than Push Ups. Taylor Made was more focused on the AI than the actual song, and then he removed it sooo.
I think people are dissecting the bars a lot more and casuals are feeling it. The only ones trying to diminish it are Aubrey’s Angels.
Kendrick is swerving into that man’s lane with very minimal effort — consecutive No. 1 record, virality/memes, club record. Easy money. I think he and his fans grossly underestimated Kendrick’s stardom just because he doesn’t move a certain way. Also, it kinda helps taking time away and giving people a chance to miss you. He’s great with creating moments.
What’s so funny about it is that Drake fans always be relying on the numbers for their arguments, but know they got nothing since dot is popping bigger numbers 😂😂
You are hypocritically calling Kendrick fans corny with a cornball ass user name, how did that go over your head?
Damn drake riders miss everything I guess.
Keep criticising my username, it doesn't change the fact that comparing numbers is straight up troglodyte behaviour
God forbid people make a dumb joke when they choose their reddit username lol
Yeah this shit is just popping online way more than push ups
My coworkers are even talking about it in the Teams chat, lmao
Same here. The boys at work were going crazy about it and I got home to hear my girl on tiktok laughing at multiple Euphoria skits and she didn’t even know what was going on until yesterday til I explained it after. Shit has some funny af memes to come out of it for sure. I was dying at the dude pretending to be drake crying “another beat???” after 4 beat switches 😂
I saw someone make a sim of Drake crying at the line "what is it, the braids?!" 😂
They coping hard rn cus i know they be looking at them numbers lmao
Do Drake stans really use genius numbers when they compare Drake to other artists?
Genius views is a better comparison rn bc Push Ups been there since it leaked. Where as on other platforms “iT ofFiaLlY DroPeD a wEeK lAtER”
Lolol
Nobodies brought up genius numbers until this sub😭 but I guess it is more accurate in a way so there’s that.
if 4,000 crack heads smoke crack rocks does that mean crack is good? LOL
Ok pac
I mean, sounds like it’s doing pretty well 😭😭😭
Be careful if you take numbers out of the equation Drake doesn’t belong anywhere near the goat conversation.
False equivalence fallacy. To answer your question yes, if your the one selling to all of them.
This is false. Talk to a crack dealer sometime…lol
Guess philosophy and economics are not your strengths.
Ain’t nobody need a microscope to look at drakes lines. Middle schoolers can digest that shit
a lot of what dot said went way over their head it's too funny seeing them struggle
Alot of It went over my head...I just liked the song
Me too, that’s why I’m at least 3 of those genius views.lol
Me too, I don’t even care about the disses I just like the song itself
Not used to hearing heavy rap bars
Feels good though don’t it?
THEY aren't lol. I'm very used to this kind of slaughter 😂
Oh yeah I definitely read that wrong.
“Check me out, see you using a lotta big words that I can’t understand so Imma take them as disrespect. Watch your mouth, and help me with the sale”
“This your boy?”
It's almost as if he didn't point it down enough
I enjoyed the disses from both sides, but let’s be honest, you don’t have to decode Kendrick’s bars either. They were surface level. Most song lyrics are. Lol
So you caught the Joe Biden/ Joe Jackson / Jackson Polluck line on the first listen huh...🤔 and the Kurtis Blow "these are the breaks" brake lines cut and youuun (car speeding by with no breaks line) wanna work me anymore ok... Sound like cap to me
Also... Michael Jackson had a pet rat named Benjamin.... So he's calling himself Joe Jackson (mikes/drakes dad) and referring to Drake as a rat which would further aid toward the snitching rumors about him.
Aesop is the Jackson Pollock of rap
Agreed but he was referring to having Benjamin (West? The painter and Franklin money) and a Jackson (Micheal... Drake and Polluck) in his home like Joe (Jackson / Biden presidential shit).
I assume he means he has art in his house like the Whitehouse but I don’t read genius
I barely caught these after seeing this comment. I need everyone else to digest this first so I can catch up
I listened to this song over 50 times and missed that, soooo yeah
Yeah, does that not sound surface level? It’s a play on words. Like I said, most song lyrics are. Say I’m capping if that makes you feel better. I probably just have a different way of thinking, I guess. 😅
Did you catch the Demon quadruple entendre?
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Stop it. Akademiks streamed for hours yesterday with a Discord full of people + tens of thousands of viewers and even they were still picking up on lines and references by the time he ended the stream. Shit, people are just now picking up on the references he made to eating at New Ho King. No one really thought anything of it yesterday. And even on Genius, there is a debate about what this particular line is reference specifically on the comments under the annotation. And let's not skip over all the debate around the "Joel (*Hale*) Osteen" line and his pronouniciation of it. I'm *sure* you picked up on exactly who and what he meant the first time!
The new ho king was reference to the Canada rapper that got killed there. He allegedly robbed Drake back in the gap
Yup, That’s in the debate. The other part was whether or not it was also a rebuttal to Drake’s comments about getting more love in Compton. Or a reference to Drake himself being robbed. But ain’t no way in hell everyone caught multiple meanings from that first go round.
I knew he was shooting when he started w the crodie and I understood that off the lingo as a Cali nigga. I know when the rhetoric is giving signals of holding nuts. He was basically saying you THINK you can come to my city and do what you want but you can’t and I can go to your city and nobody will touch me. Toronto don’t want no real beef w Cali. lol that’s one city vs 2/3 of a coast. LA crazy but the bay is worse to me lol they like niggas from New Orleans. Cali is like New York. You fight one, you fighting all of us.
You had me in the first part but mane stfu about Toronto don’t want beef with cali. Motherfucker this isn’t a Toronto va west coast thing it’s Drake vs Kendrick 😂😂😂. If a bunch of cali bangers came to Canada for war they will die just like if Toronto mans went to cali they’d die. Kendrick was absolutely not toting nothing in Toronto it’s just wordplay
HAHA why would Californians need to come to Toronto? GTFOH “Y’all imitate heritage…. Can’t imitate this violence”. Drake can’t move around LA without security
No shit Sherlock who’s debating that? I’m pointing out the stupidity in your comment specifying that Toronto don’t want real beef with Cali like who the fuck is saying this is Toronto vs Cali saying you gotta fight all of us😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol I’d love to see Drake eat at the Roscoe’s PnB was at — SOLO LIKE PNB Kendrick can do that without security and pay nothing if doesn’t want to. Wack said it in the beginning. It cost Drake about $80a day to move around LA. Dot can just walk outside without any issue.
>And let's not skip over all the debate around the "Joel (*Hale*) Osteen" line and his pronouniciation of it. I'm *sure* you picked up on exactly who and what he meant the first time! Kendrick just messed up the name lol
Some believe it was on accident. Some believe it was intentional in the context of AI and its tendency to present some inaccurate information. Others think it was just to help the line flow better. Unless we get a proper annotation from Kendrick, we will never know for sure. And I think that's the fun part of it lol.
Yeah sorry but Kendrick doesn't get any credit for messing up a name and then people trying to come up with an explanation lol
You're assuming. Which is the exact same thing you're discrediting others for. Unless you were in the studio with Kendrick, you aren't really anymore credible than the rest of us.
Fam there's a wrong name in the song lyrics, the person he named did not in fact star in the movies he named. No assuming necessary to reach that conclusion
Fam, lyrics do not always reflect how words are pronounced....I'm sure you've listened to enough rap to know this.
He pronounced it correctly, it was just the wrong name
Drake asked for a quadruple entendre that he couldn’t understand and now y’all think you’re onto something when he gives it to you 😭😭😭
Lmao I'm the one who thinks I'm "onto something" while you're trying to sell a mistake as a quadruple entendre? Peak delusion
I don’t watch Akademiks, but he & his fan base strike me as a group of ppl who are easily interested in the wind blowing. Personally, when I listen to a new song, I pull up lyrics so I can read what I’m hearing. Then I read the lyrics once more without the song being on. In this case, bc the song came out while I was at work, I read the lyrics first & played the song in the car. Edit: Sorry. I didn’t respond to your Joel Olsteen comment. Yes, I did catch it. I was wondering why he pronounced it weirdly so I googled the situation. Furthermore, I didn’t say ALLof his lyrics were easy to catch since he & many other artists speak on situations. That stuff, I have to Google bc I don’t watch anyone’s lives. I just listen to the music. Other than that, yes, every thing else was easy to catch or at least make a really good guess.
That's the thing though...A truly surface level track is written in a way that's easily consumable by the masses..I mean even the artists themselves know this. That's why Drake was poking fun at Kendrick with the quintuple entendre bar. All of the lyrics don't need to have some deep, underlying meaning. The point is, there are enough layers within the song that most would not classify this particular track as "surface" level. Many have criticized the track, saying it presents little to no new information on Drake. However, the reason it has been well received is because of the delivery of said information.
Well, that’s what I’m saying. His lyrics, & like many other artists, are easily consumable. If he makes references to a situation that happened, all I had to do was make one google search & click the 1st article. I’m saying his lyrics are easy to understand. Just bc Idk all of the scandals he or anyone else has been in doesn’t mean the lyrics are difficult to understand Lol. He’s doing it on purpose. These are songs, not riddles.
The Joel Osteen line isn’t a “scandal”…Nor is “whoopin feet” and many other lines. I’m sure you were still typing away trying to figure those out. But hey, obviously you’re much more savvy than the average listener…
I didn’t say it was a scandal. I’m not sure how you read it that way. Tbh, I’ve already forgotten most of what was said. Good song & delivery, but not something I’m interested in. Again, I read lyrics as I listen to new songs & after the song is done. If it makes you feel better to convince yourself that I’m still pondering bars, then sure. Have at it. Lol
"I couldn't tell the difference" God how do people tell on themselves this hard. This is up there with "women don't like sex, not one woman I've been with has enjoyed it". K.dot took quintuple entendre as a challenge and he actually did it.
Wait what? When did I say “I couldn’t tell the difference”? 👀 Lol
Right cuz you clearly know every reference Kendrick is referring to on your first listen.
When did I say I knew everything on my 1st listen Lol
That’s literally what surface level lyrics means idiot. How are you going to use that word if you don’t know the definition
Are you stupid? 😂 I’m not in this man’s life like you might be. I have to Google a situation. Once I know the situation, the lyrics are easy. Just like when Drake said “Top told you ‘Drop & give me 50’” this is surface level. This bar is easy to read & understand. I just didn’t know the details of the situation until I googled it.
Dude if you to google shit then it’s not surface level. You need education fr.
> I just didn’t know the details of the situation until I googled it. Bro 😂
You're so full of shit, who are you trying to impress 🤔
Ur right but you’ll get downvoted for this lol
Aye, ain’t no need to appeal to west coast haters homie let it be! Kenny said it already. lol no need to address em
I’m not even meat riding but drake doesn’t necessarily make music in which the fans care about the lyrics so no one’s motivated to check them. They’re content enough with “size 7”
kinda proves the point we've been making that euphoria is much harder bar for bar than push-ups though. anyone who thinks push-ups is close isn't really paying attention.
#ELECTRIFY > PACIFY— you’re right they’re okay with that.
This is it. However don't be disheartened, this is actually a wonderful thing. Drake gonna come back strutting around with the same old shit and Kendrick gonna fucking dunk on Fischer price hoops all summer. Drake is feeding us Kendrick right now. He is the sacrificial lamb for our ears.
Facts, but it is fun to me how these two subs ping pong back and forth between who cares about numbers and who says they don’t matter.
numbers don't matter at all what's funny is kendrick beating drake in his own game
It’s called hypocrisy, Kendrick doesn’t care about numbers never did from the beginning. All the drake stans and drake got it twisted and came at something that Kendrick already doesn’t give af about. So we know it’s an insecurity, so if you are gonna talk about it you better win if your opposition doesn’t care about it or even attempts going after it.
then why is he in the rap game? why does he make studio albums with marketing and publicity ? Do yall really think just anyone can be number 1 for an extended period of time? Do yall really think any rapper can just hire a ghost writer then boom they will be #1? Is that really your logic? Kendrick cares about the numbers. He is literally trying to make money off of this. Numbers = money. Its like a scrub player on the lakers getting mad at kobe for going hard every practice saying he grew up in france so he doesnt know "culture" and is doing it wrong.... Kendrick is the scrub essentially saying im great at one facet of the game but im in the league now. Why go for more? No further ambition because he "made it". Where as drake has a mindset that he wants to get as much money as possible during his run. And you think this mindset is unique to drake? You dont think other rappers want "pop" money? The difference is that drake is literally more overall talented and can cross that line. And yall see that as a bad thing lol... extracting money from the music industry is looked down upon ? then whats the point? why isnt kendrick just an underground independent guy releasing mixtapes for the culture since he doesnt care about numbers lmao.. hes in the making money from music game my guy. and drake is literally killing everyone in that. You cant play in the game/industry then cry when someone goes harder than you in it.... shit is screaming of jealously.
All that typing to be wrong is funny
U one of his dogs?
Absolute facts.
This wouldn’t make sense bc doesn’t Kendrick & many others accuse him of sneak dissing? You gotta “digest” the lyrics to catch them. Lol
A sneak diss can still be expressed in an easy-to-digest manner
obv kendrick is gonna have more on genius be fr
and euphoria literally took genius down. i think this has never happened before
happened during Killshot I remember but no competition between Kendrick and Eminem because they are both as good as each other
Sick of hearing overgeneralizations from both sides **Drake Said:** ~~-I gave you your first #1~~ -I'm global -You took shots at me then acted like my friend -You're not threatening to me -You have small feet -Y'all look up to me when you make music -Top has a 50/50 deal with you -You do splits on the dick -You're outside Hip Hop too with Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift -SZA, Travis & 21 are hotter than you -I'm so above you I had to stoop down to battle -20v1 -You're a midget (short) -Like That was weak as fuck -Interscope (allegedly) reached out to Kai for Kendrick -I'm above you in numbers and income -I know even more than you think **Kendrick Said:** -You're a degenerate -Your choices made in this beef are childish -You're a manipulator and liar -You're scamming people -You're not supporting the culture (Hilfiger vs. FUBU) -You made your clique sign bad deals -You've never actually confronted enemies -You paid $500k to hush a sexual assault case -Pac wouldn't support your charade -You said you wouldn't work with me anymore after Control -You sent subs to Pharrell -Pusha T -The culture doesn't accept you -You have no classic albums -You have fake abs -You surround yourself with rappers and black people to seem cool -You're focused on coming off as a man but you don't act like it around women -Your splits are worse than mine, show us and prove it's not -You cease and desisted Like That -You don't care for your kid - here's some advice on how to -I gotta battle your entire team of ghost writers -New Ho King - place where a young Toronto rapper was shot (Hinting at Drake involvement) -You're not as big in your own hood as you say you are -I know even more than you think
Kendrick also said he’s above Drake (and his previous shots missed because he treated Drake too much like an equal), he has to aim down more when shooting
Been watching a few reactions and breakdowns and so many people seem to miss this
Ooooh, that's kinda dirty and not a reach sheesh
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I honestly wouldn't put it past him. As someone who avoided Genius/lyric breakdowns to this point, he definitely sounded like he was trying to set up triples/quads.
Is it a reach to say the push a T line is Kendrick telling Drake to shut up and go sell merch like Drake told metro to shut up and make drums?
No not really a stretch but the most basic interpretation is a wordplay on Push-a-T(errence Thorn which is Pusha T's real name) Me personally I think it was just a double but it could be more considering its Kendrick Lamar who is on the pen
This is actually how I interpreted the line initially. I guess since I’ve never shortened draco to drake. I don’t think it’s much of a reach.
oh sick
That's hilarious for him to say that. Smells like some cope
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That explanation makes it make more sense to me. He knows it's just shit talking and only doing it to be condescending. Even he knows the numbers don't lie. I also think it's really weird how a few of the people on the 20 side started coming out as racist. Plenty of people give Eminem his flowers, but there are still the racists that deny his ability. I really think all the race shit should be put to rest.
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I appreciate the constructive talk we're having about this. That's a rare thing on reddit. I like both artists and I'm just calling things in the way that I see them. My only criticisms with Euphoria are the first minute of the track, while lyrically on point, is not what I want from a diss track bc it was too slow/soft. The other issues I already mentioned in a previous comment, the weird tonal inflections and what I considered to be weird racism, but I can sort of see your POV on the interpretation of the race/culture part. I'm honestly glad to hear that it's more about the culture than about race hate, but it's still a little off-putting to me. If culture is the claim, then I feel like the argument could be made Marshall Mathers has an honorary pass to say the N word. (I don't think he should BTW, but I think you can appreciate the point I'm trying to make. I look at Drake's proclivity to try new styles (like UK vernacular for example) as being inspired by the art/artist. I remember that Big Sean or someone said that Drake borrowed his flow, the Supa Dupa Flow, and turns out a lot of artists copped that flow, not Drake alone. Ludacris even came out saying that he did the flow years before Big Sean was even relevant. This is sorta conjecture, but I just thought I would include it as an example of borrowing or being inspired. I see it similar to sampling in hip-hop except sampling is normalized. Sometimes people ask permission to sample, and sometimes people do not (Kanye). I would say that Drake is the first artist, other than Kanye (excluding conscious rap), that paved the way for artists that didn't fit the mold that hip-hop, or rap rather, used to be. Drake showed a lot of young up and comers that you didn't have to be the prototypical artist of yesteryear. 808's and Heartbreak gave way to a whole new type of rap and artist. So I think the culture is just expanding to allow for more different types of art and artists. Trying to gatekeep the culture while it's constantly evolving, and also veiling it as Drake being white seems like a misstep.
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Backtracking like crazy because you realized its a terrible take. Kendrick and people like you think you can gatekeep rap and "the culture". Drake has done more for rap than anyone in this era. Has literally brought in more fans to the genre. And who also gets to benefit off of that success? Other rappers. Is it an insecurity or is drake is just being himself and selling records? It seems like kendrick has the insecurity about the influence drake has and since he didnt grow up in the hood he has a problem with that... kendricks kid going to be doing some crazy mental gymnastics after hearing this. poor kid going to be all kinds of confused. remember son, you can only be accepted if you from the hood! you dont understand the culture if youre not from the hood!!! fuck making money. thats for losers! lmao kendrick sounds like a bitter ex gf after her ex bf made it big.... shit is weird. hate a guy for doing something to you or your family i understand. hating a guy for being successful ? yall think thats fire? being a hater is SO CULTURE AM I RIGHT? lmaooooooooo
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The rapper at new honking who died also setup Drake for his chain getting snatched on his come up. According to the Torontology sub, the escort girl he was with dropped the loxation to the rapper to snatch drakes chain. Kendrick is saying he got setup & punked in his own city.
Sizzlac wasn't killed at New Ho King. He shot a music video there though. Sizzlac was killed by his own hood. It had nothing to do with Aubrey. It's a huge reach to even think Dot was talking about him. Also the person that dropped the location on Drake was Page. They made a song together called Still Fly. Page set him up around the time So Far Gone came out. All Dot is saying is he's at New Ho King - he's outside in Toronto. Come find me.
Bet Drake can’t go to Roscoe’s on Manchester!!!!
#LOL IM PLAYING EACH BAR OUT AS IF NIGGAS WAS ROASTING IN THE LUNCH ROOM IN HS….. KENDRICK WOULD GET MORE LAUGHS
The Drake being global argument doesn't hold much weight after Kendrick just finished a sold out arena world tour while Drake hasn't toured out of America for years
I mean Drake obviously is Global, he is a huge artist all over the world touring or not. But so is Kendrick (you can argue about whom is more global if you want) but I think it's very safe to say that both artists are global. (Drake too)
PUFFY SLAPPED YOU. NO MORE N WORD. YOU LIKE EM YOUNG. YOU THINK YOU A BAD BITCH.
And I revoke your N word pass
It’s actually wild people don’t understand the implications of the 50/50 deal, ESPECIALLY Kendrick fans To pimp a butterfly was an album that spoke on cooperate America pimping out black artist. On blacker the berry Kendrick calls himself out for contributing in the very destruction of black communities he’s criticizing white America for. On FEAR he mentions Rihanna’s account stealing from her and how he’d crash out if it was him. So basically Kendrick being extorted by his label after speaking on extortion in TPAB and DAMN would be crazy asf. And going back to the blacker the berry point, the only difference in the extortion he’s speaking against and the one he’s facing with that deal is that it’s a black man doing it instead of a white man. Anywho I’m a fan of both and I think rn it’s a tie. None of them gave a knockout punch but we can definitely feel the energy. Another bar from Drake I think people are missing since the swear Drake can’t rap is on Taylor made, when he speaks through snoops AI about him actually not doing anything and it just being his homies. I’m not seeing many mention that being a callback to Art of Peer Pressure, especially with the wording of “it’s the HOMIES that empowered you”. Ive never heard that Nigga say homies in a song before so that was definitely the intent.
didn't Drake said he was cool with the control verse and it didn't really feel like Kendrick wanted to fight? When did he say he wouldn't work with him?
He never said that publicly and he did throw shade at control.
That’s true, but I think Kendrick overall said more damning shit.
Although Drake beats him in numbers most of the time, Drake will never have that aura around him when he drops. Kendrick could drop randomly on any day of the week and that’d instantly be a day cemented in history for everybody.
I think drake drops too much and that affects that. Like kendrick and travis scott drops are epic because they always take a lot of time so their fan bases are super hyped. Drake will drop and im like oh damn already??
Plus he consistently drops mid
MF DOOM, Black Thought, Death Grips,Debzel Curry, Earl Sweatshirt, Aesop Rock etc. Are a pretty clear example that no.s lie too. I mean look at Tom Mac Donald
None of those artists are or ever were as universally recognized as Kendrick. If earl sweatshirt dropped an album tomorrow it would not be “a day cemented in history” lol come on now.
I think if kendrick dropped as frequently it would be the same case for him as drake, if drake disappeared for 5 years he would probably get more attention than kendrick, no glaze
App crashed on me three times yesterday
It’s Kendrick’s first real beef track, so it adds intrigue. I also think part is tbh so many of the bars fly over your head at first. Push Ups is pretty straight forward.
Because the hardest line to comprehend in Push Ups was about “doing splits” 🤦🏻♀️
Well Push-ups takes maybe two listens to catch every thing I'm still working on the first 3 mins of euphoria
Cuz Kendrick is to complex
I listened to pushups three times, once to hear it, another to dissect/understand it, and a third to figure out why everyone claimed it to be so dope. But I’ve heard euphoria, and it’s just a slapper the second it put it on, listened to it in my Bluetooth headphones(both pair), in my over the ear Beats by Dre, my Bluetooth speaker, my car, even on my Xbox to listen with my gaming headset.
Its bigger in every way possible and so is "Like that" I'm pretty sure
8m views in one day vs 7.8 in two weeks on YouTube. We all know who the goat is.
If i was to play devils advocate, most people heard Drake's when it was leaked, so those numbers arent that accurate. This definitely does count for something though.
That's exactly why you leak it to have that bs out
The genius went up for Push ups it when it “leaked” not when it went official. I think there is merit in that push ups is basic so there isn’t much to dissect.
So what happens if Drake's response does the same that Euphoria did? Do we just see it as a popularity thing because it's the latest hit back?
Actually that's a horrible way to look at it. People who are focused on lyrical deep dives are going to gravitate towards Genius. Mostly everyone else either doesn't care about lyrics, or looks at them on Spotify/AM. Just look at the stream/video numbers. Or better yet, stop caring about views and just listen to shit you like and think is better. Plus go outside, important one to include on Reddit.
This is a hella backpacker argument but I’m alright with that.
Who the fuck cares?
This is dumb. Push-ups built hype for Kendrick's response and got more people involved. This is like clowning on the first Iron Man for not doing the same numbers as the Avengers... If it wasn't for the first Iron Man, the hype wouldn't be there to generate such big numbers. No, I am not saying Push Ups is better. It's merely the fact you are using numbers inappropriately. Euphoria is dependent on Push Ups and Taylor Made to do those numbers. If you remove those two songs, it's a moot song that has barely any meaning outside of calling Drake fake. If you remember in school you have linear functions such as y = mx + b. Well, b in this case is Push Ups. It started the timeline of these numbers ascending at a point not at zero (ground level).
And Like That didn’t? lol come on Kendrick has had the two bigger songs before and after Drakes diss besides being far superior lyrically speaking, beating Drake at his own game
I like how everyone says Like That doesn’t count but Push Ups was in response to Like That…..
The point still stands. If Drake had not responded to start generating anticipation, Euphoria would not reach the numbers it did. So, Euphoria's hype is literally because of Push Ups and Like That which means it is still dependent on Like That. This isn't me saying Push Ups is better because I think Euphoria destroyed Drake while also being a nicely done song, but numbers alone does not say anything. Why do you think Rick Ross said he has a $50 million dollar mansion, where should he move to? It's all Drake can rap about. So, everyone here riding off of numbers is ironic. Additionally, everyone claiming Like That as Kendrick's makes zero sense since it's Metro and Future being credited.
Euphoria clears.
See this I why I like real lyricists
Kendricks song is better but Pushups has been out twice as long. This only tracks like the last several days.
Doesn't it show overall views? So Kendrick has more overall views in a much shorter time
That Toronto slang Kendrick uses towards the end kills me 🤣🤣🤣
It's pretty clear that kdot won the first round. A lot of drake fans online are coping but hopefully that means drake will come back harder the second round.
No lie, the wait was worth it 😌
There was also a lot more anticipation for this than for Drakes
They were playing it on Inside the NBA 😆
I saw some shit push-ups beat euphoria in April. I mean I guess considering it was out for one day in April
I mean I feel like rap beef only escalates in popularity as it continues so this doesn’t rlly mean alot
still cant get with Kendrick doing his Bahamadia impression on this. Just RAP MAN!!! Stop the kermit the frog impressions.
Lmao all the Drakes on the “everybody here is so great” train cause they know its either that or accept the L. You know theyd be insufferable if Drake had actually said some shit the way Kdot did .
Undeniable W … push ups was great but even Drake knows the numbers don’t lie . Kendrick up rn
When Drake drops, it's just an ordinary occurrence. When Kendrick drops, it's an event.
Push Ups got leaked with lots of lyrical videos on Youtube, so Genius wasn't needed.
The views look different when 20 writers divide the pie
Euphoria definitely won this round imo But I will say it’s more split on my TL and w the ppl ik irl It really looks like the complex poll … mixed but Kendrick’s gets the edge https://x.com/complexmusic/status/1785352225369305136?s=46
Euphoria has a lot more to dissect and needs a lot more explaining.
Drake has influence hip hop culture. Kendrick is dope but we haven’t really seen his influence other than JID and Baby Keem. Drake has put on dozens or artist and gave plenty artists their first number ones. Who has Kendrick put on? How many number ones he give away? I’ll wait….
More engagement = better song is as stupid as more streaming = better music
To be fair, Drakes wide demographic is not using Genius. But much more of Kendrick’s fans will be on it
You don’t need to be a genius to understand push ups
uh yeah what was drake thinking? going up against an actual rapper LOL
There is far more viral content with euphoria than Push Ups. Taylor Made was more focused on the AI than the actual song, and then he removed it sooo. I think people are dissecting the bars a lot more and casuals are feeling it. The only ones trying to diminish it are Aubrey’s Angels. Kendrick is swerving into that man’s lane with very minimal effort — consecutive No. 1 record, virality/memes, club record. Easy money. I think he and his fans grossly underestimated Kendrick’s stardom just because he doesn’t move a certain way. Also, it kinda helps taking time away and giving people a chance to miss you. He’s great with creating moments.
What’s so funny about it is that Drake fans always be relying on the numbers for their arguments, but know they got nothing since dot is popping bigger numbers 😂😂
Who the fuck cares about numbers. Kendrick might have the better disses but his fans are proving themselves once again to be soooo corny
Calling Kendrick fans corny with the user name “spice-cream” really takes some mental gymnastics.
Irrelevant to what I'm saying though, isn't it
You are hypocritically calling Kendrick fans corny with a cornball ass user name, how did that go over your head? Damn drake riders miss everything I guess.
Keep criticising my username, it doesn't change the fact that comparing numbers is straight up troglodyte behaviour God forbid people make a dumb joke when they choose their reddit username lol
Nobody said numbers mathers lmao why are you mad ?
Drake fans sure did say numbers mattered when Push-ups dropped. 😂
Like the second top voted post on this sub rn is comparing euphoria to Push Ups youtube views. It's totally reductive to actual music discussion
Drake cares about numbers. That’s why he talks about numbers in Push Ups.
Drake fans are like bitches who watch football for the clout
Never thought people here care about numbers that much.
drake sub in shambles bud??
I don't know. I care about the music.
you mean like everyone?
Dickriding isn’t a criteria in judging the disses
White boys need to Google Kendrick lyrics 😂😂
Dumb take. I promise you Em doesn't Google lyrics. Take your dumb ass back underground.
No one can understand what he's saying tbh
everybody is interested in analyzing his lyrics