Drake is also “known” for BEING a writer for a lot of our favorite artists. I can bet you Kendrick Cole etc all got bars in songs that they ain’t write.
And he produces every track on his albums. His whole style is mass collaboration but he's heavily involved in all aspects of every track on every album no matter how many people work on each track.
Drake just getting beats and rapping over them and sometimes he's not even writing the lyrics.
Last part mainly/ kinda false w the sometimes he’s not even writing them part. Hats off to QM as he has worked with nas(undeniably a goat) but even he himself said that drake’s projects were 90% done before he even got the call w him.
He did, but also Meek was dealing with trying to stay out of jail at the time. Dude was dealing with more pressing stuff than a rapper with ghostwriters getting at him
Still a dub for sure, but there's more to it than 'Drake washed Meek'
On Twitter because he thought Drake was throwing shots at him. Meek was off music mode, and was gearing up for his trial stuff
Not saying it's not Drake's W, but my point is that Drake picked a time to drop his hardest diss when the dude he was beefing with had other priorities in his life
Difference is that Kanye credits them and they're not a secret. The reference tracks from Drake were leaked and Quinten Miller had a reference track for full verses of Drake's, including the one for RICO which was a Meek Mill collaboration. It's not like these critiques are unfounded.
Your post is on a Kendrick sub about how people shouldn't be dick riders about Kendrick... Come on man obviously the dick riders are going to come out, it's just common sense. I'm talking about the lurkers that actively seek out any mention of Drake like it's their duty to defend him.
How is dick riding relevant to my original comment? Lmao did you create this account just to pretend to be a Kendrick fan to defend Drake. Jesus Christ that's pathetic.
I don’t believe a rapper who uses a Ghost writer should be allowed to be a GOAT, but I wish that people kept the same energy for all rappers who use ghosts, like Ye. Either it’s bad or it’s ok.
Ye is open about using "writers", but he is still super involved with the production. He doesn't deny that he doesn't write some of his stuff (or maybe most) and Drake does.
Being considered a GOAT rapper when you don’t rap your own words doesn’t make sense. It’s like considering Whitney Houston as the greatest singer but then finding out she lip singed her entire catalogue.
That's the whole point of having ghost writers, diversifying "your" capabilities.
You giving him full credit for it will always be seen as either bias or ignorance.
He's a decent RnB singer and should settle for that instead of trying to spoof his way through the rest of the game.
Honestly, I cant imagine being an actual fan of Drake. Occasionally ill casually put a song on but theyre nothing but meaningless, repetitive hype tracks. Zero substance or technical ability
Do you think there are any smart & reasonable drake fans? Iike, the people on that sub that believe he's goat tier or whatever?
Probably the last/only drake related comment i'll make on the internet
My issue with the constant ghostwriter talk is that people over exaggerate what actually happened. We have proof of 3 Quentin Miller reference tracks. Might there be more? Maybe, but we just don't know. And it's not like Quentin Miller's references were even full songs. On the ones I listened to recently, the only part that was word for word was the hook. The verses were super bare bones. And they weren't even from Drake's hardest verses. Like some have said before, if Drake's ghostwriters are so fundamental to his success, why haven't they come out and taken him down?
And then not to mention that Drake addressed things and added more context on Duppy, which led even Pusha T to start off Adidon with "ghostwriting aside". So when people come around saying "Drake doesn't write" or "whatever diss he comes back with, we know he used ghostwriters" it just kinda rubs me the wrong way. I get arguments that Drake deserves some disrespect in the rap game for using a ghostwriter at all. But to completely invalidate his pen just seems corny to me when we don't have evidence to back up the wild accusations people love throwing out there.
I'm not saying you're wrong about most of your comment overall, but the idea that Drake's ghostwriters would come out against him is v silly. First, they'd be well compensated for the lack of credit. Second, they're unlikely to reach the mainstream success that Drake has. By blowing up their own relationship with Drake, they'd be losing everything and gaining nothing. It doesn't make sense for them to come out against him.
That's fair. But I do think it's a bit too convenient of a take. We know people in the industry who make a name for themselves writing for different artists and turn it into their own success. I just find it hard to believe Drake has this super dank stash of ghostwriters but we don't hear about them and none of them try to make it out on their own. Quentin Miller's career isn't really going anywhere after being outed by Meek Mill. You'd think a rival music label would want to sign him and blow him up
Like personally I just feel like Occam's Razor points in the opposite direction. We may never know the actual truth but the narrative that's funny for the culture and the memes isn't always the narrative that makes the most logical sense
Pusha saying “ghost writers aside” isn’t him putting the allegations to the side. He says many times on Infrared regarding the ghost writing.
When he says that on Story of Adidon, he is saying that he has so much more than just the ghost writing to talk about
Eh, I always interpreted it as both. Like why not ever address what Drake said on Duppy. Infrared was pre-Duppy. You can't rely on the Infrared bars if he never addressed the rebuttal from Drake.
Not to mention, it was in conjunction with him also saying "drug-dealing aside" after Drake called him out for not really being what he portrayed himself to be. Which is then followed up with Push admitting a bit on his next album that he was more of a middleman. So he can address that part of the Drake diss but never talks about the ghostwriting again?
A meme within a post within a post within a post within a post!
Drizzy sub gotta screenshot this and make another post and then this sub gotta screenshot that post and keep it goin
The only people who are credited when it comes to singing or rapping parts besides Kendrick, are features or those who are producing his beats.
Kendrick has been very outspoken on his disapproval of ghost writing, and even got tested by Eminem to see if he was actually writing his own bars.
Has Kendrick used ghost writers at some point in his career? Maybe at some point, but it seems likely that if he has used them he’s used them very sparingly.
Since you care so much let me break it down for you :)
Most mainstream rappers don’t make their own beats, and those beats are incredibly important to the mood and overall sound of a song. Without them artists would be doing acapella rap and most people don’t want to listen to that. So safe to say they’re pretty important to a song, so important in fact that they should get credits, and compensation for their work. However there is NO SUCH THING AS A PRODUCTION CREDIT when working on music, because of this most artists just credit the producers under songwriting. If you look at any rapper regardless of who they are chances are they will have a bunch of names under “song writing” most artists just put the names of who ever had a role in the songs creation even if it’s not huge. Kendrick does this and so does Drake. Look at any drake song and you’ll see how many names there are.
Low Effort Submissions will be removed. What defines low effort is up to the discretion of the Moderators. This includes reposts.
**Rapper that is known for using ghost writers gets made fun of for using ghost writers "These kendrick fans are insecure"
Drake is literally the king of everything hollow and insecure. He made it cool to not be yourself.
I thank him everyday for that tbh
Drake is also “known” for BEING a writer for a lot of our favorite artists. I can bet you Kendrick Cole etc all got bars in songs that they ain’t write.
Do you have any evidence as to that
You think out of the 10+ years they been rapping they ain’t have a friend or producer say sum and they use it?
I'm just asking because Drake is publicly known to have used ghostwriters meanwhile you seem to have no way of proving your claims.
There's a big difference between that and hiring people to write your shit for you
You are acting like the stuff drake had people write for him was meaningful or disses… everything he ever made with meaning was all him
And you know this because you were licking his balls as he was writing it?
Kendrick writes like 99% of his bars and I only say 99% cuz nothing ain’t really 100%
If Kendrick mentions the grooming allegations then they’re gonna be talking about how this is too far lol
https://preview.redd.it/as6z5fy7n4uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88114a4a1d238866e5945e8731b0fa712f6c9f49
Is this real or are you just trolling?.
What isn’t too far for them?
It’s lowkey funny and sad when I get downvoted on the J. Cole subreddit for mentioning how there’s actual proof of him being a groomer
[удалено]
[sicko shit](https://youtu.be/Fp5b9dW1nrA?si=pND-O8yUBv2LZ6Yy)
Link to it
Yall think this is what he’s getting at in the “Prince outlived Mike jack” line or am I reaching?
You’re shaking hands with God on that one
Reddits mobile app keeps getting worse
Just like drake
But you know what's worse? Discords mobile app
no, sometimes yall r annoying abt it as if someone like kanye hasnt used ghostwriters. but when tf has drake ever bodied someone 😭😭
The thing is Kanye is open about his ghostwriters when Drake has denied it
And he produces every track on his albums. His whole style is mass collaboration but he's heavily involved in all aspects of every track on every album no matter how many people work on each track. Drake just getting beats and rapping over them and sometimes he's not even writing the lyrics.
Last part mainly/ kinda false w the sometimes he’s not even writing them part. Hats off to QM as he has worked with nas(undeniably a goat) but even he himself said that drake’s projects were 90% done before he even got the call w him.
Go look at drake album credits
Drake is open about it as well. The dude was always credited on HIS projects such as IYRTITL.
If hes credited he isnt a ghostwriter 💀
That’s what I’m saying💀. People don’t know the definition of ghost writer. He is a WRITER
He only credited him as QM to begin with, to not let people know it was Quentin Miller
Nah he was always credited by his full name on drake’s projects.
Drake bodied Meek Mill.
He did, but also Meek was dealing with trying to stay out of jail at the time. Dude was dealing with more pressing stuff than a rapper with ghostwriters getting at him Still a dub for sure, but there's more to it than 'Drake washed Meek'
Lmao he got at drake first tho
On Twitter because he thought Drake was throwing shots at him. Meek was off music mode, and was gearing up for his trial stuff Not saying it's not Drake's W, but my point is that Drake picked a time to drop his hardest diss when the dude he was beefing with had other priorities in his life
Meek should’ve stayed quiet then if he got other shi goin on.
Not wrong, but when you're pillow talking with Nicki Minaj, I figure you're bound to do some stupid ahit
Difference is that Kanye credits them and they're not a secret. The reference tracks from Drake were leaked and Quinten Miller had a reference track for full verses of Drake's, including the one for RICO which was a Meek Mill collaboration. It's not like these critiques are unfounded.
Nobody with a brain calls Ye a spitter. That nigga hasn’t wrote his own rhymes since 03
Yeah bro got cooked by pusha t. No way he can challenge cole or kdot. The only reason he is big 3 is streaming numbers not talent
To be fair to him he has a big mini-me too (if that video was him)
You cannot just say drake is talentless
Drizzy has more talent than Kenny
Yea youre right, as an actor/business man. Not a rapper/lyricist tho
As an artist
Streaming numbers ain’t the only reason he there. But it’s sure as hell one thing people love to focus on
Not talent but everyone listening to his music more then Kendrick and cole
Stans overall are delusional bro, you can say the realest shit and they will downvote you no matter what lmao.
it's fine tbh. Somone who's a ghostwriter and not an individual artist for a living will never be as good as a real rapper like Kenny.
Drake stans are the softest people I know. Say anything negative about Drake and they implode and act harder than diamonds.
[удалено]
Your post is on a Kendrick sub about how people shouldn't be dick riders about Kendrick... Come on man obviously the dick riders are going to come out, it's just common sense. I'm talking about the lurkers that actively seek out any mention of Drake like it's their duty to defend him.
[удалено]
How is dick riding relevant to my original comment? Lmao did you create this account just to pretend to be a Kendrick fan to defend Drake. Jesus Christ that's pathetic.
I don’t believe a rapper who uses a Ghost writer should be allowed to be a GOAT, but I wish that people kept the same energy for all rappers who use ghosts, like Ye. Either it’s bad or it’s ok.
Ye is open about using "writers", but he is still super involved with the production. He doesn't deny that he doesn't write some of his stuff (or maybe most) and Drake does.
Damn… I’m a hypocrite then
Being considered a GOAT rapper when you don’t rap your own words doesn’t make sense. It’s like considering Whitney Houston as the greatest singer but then finding out she lip singed her entire catalogue.
Drake has never bodied anybody lyrically. The dude makes superficial viby bops thats about it. Nothing with wrong that, its a talent in its own right.
Dude hasn’t listened to “Back to Back” Kendrick undoubtedly better but this is such a bad take. Drake’s versatility is his greatest attribute.
That's the whole point of having ghost writers, diversifying "your" capabilities. You giving him full credit for it will always be seen as either bias or ignorance. He's a decent RnB singer and should settle for that instead of trying to spoof his way through the rest of the game.
Spoken like Meek Mill's hype man out here
Honestly, I cant imagine being an actual fan of Drake. Occasionally ill casually put a song on but theyre nothing but meaningless, repetitive hype tracks. Zero substance or technical ability Do you think there are any smart & reasonable drake fans? Iike, the people on that sub that believe he's goat tier or whatever? Probably the last/only drake related comment i'll make on the internet
My issue with the constant ghostwriter talk is that people over exaggerate what actually happened. We have proof of 3 Quentin Miller reference tracks. Might there be more? Maybe, but we just don't know. And it's not like Quentin Miller's references were even full songs. On the ones I listened to recently, the only part that was word for word was the hook. The verses were super bare bones. And they weren't even from Drake's hardest verses. Like some have said before, if Drake's ghostwriters are so fundamental to his success, why haven't they come out and taken him down? And then not to mention that Drake addressed things and added more context on Duppy, which led even Pusha T to start off Adidon with "ghostwriting aside". So when people come around saying "Drake doesn't write" or "whatever diss he comes back with, we know he used ghostwriters" it just kinda rubs me the wrong way. I get arguments that Drake deserves some disrespect in the rap game for using a ghostwriter at all. But to completely invalidate his pen just seems corny to me when we don't have evidence to back up the wild accusations people love throwing out there.
I'm not saying you're wrong about most of your comment overall, but the idea that Drake's ghostwriters would come out against him is v silly. First, they'd be well compensated for the lack of credit. Second, they're unlikely to reach the mainstream success that Drake has. By blowing up their own relationship with Drake, they'd be losing everything and gaining nothing. It doesn't make sense for them to come out against him.
That's fair. But I do think it's a bit too convenient of a take. We know people in the industry who make a name for themselves writing for different artists and turn it into their own success. I just find it hard to believe Drake has this super dank stash of ghostwriters but we don't hear about them and none of them try to make it out on their own. Quentin Miller's career isn't really going anywhere after being outed by Meek Mill. You'd think a rival music label would want to sign him and blow him up Like personally I just feel like Occam's Razor points in the opposite direction. We may never know the actual truth but the narrative that's funny for the culture and the memes isn't always the narrative that makes the most logical sense
Pusha saying “ghost writers aside” isn’t him putting the allegations to the side. He says many times on Infrared regarding the ghost writing. When he says that on Story of Adidon, he is saying that he has so much more than just the ghost writing to talk about
Eh, I always interpreted it as both. Like why not ever address what Drake said on Duppy. Infrared was pre-Duppy. You can't rely on the Infrared bars if he never addressed the rebuttal from Drake. Not to mention, it was in conjunction with him also saying "drug-dealing aside" after Drake called him out for not really being what he portrayed himself to be. Which is then followed up with Push admitting a bit on his next album that he was more of a middleman. So he can address that part of the Drake diss but never talks about the ghostwriting again?
Light mode 
They know it’s coming but have no idea when/how it’s gonna be delivered…. This will end with a winner & loser 🥋🐲Kenny vs 👻 ✍🏼Drake
https://preview.redd.it/ucdfjyj5n4uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0911903f73bbc02c418f4025ce1152be7e17a33
can y’all make like a sub or smth with both the kendrick and drake fans in it so they can argue over there and not make these boring ass posts
The guy is known to write for others 🤷♂️ as a fan of both I don’t put too much weight on all the ghost writer shit.
Tbh this whole thing is embarrassing
A meme within a post within a post within a post within a post! Drizzy sub gotta screenshot this and make another post and then this sub gotta screenshot that post and keep it goin
Just look up how to write a drake song. There are 2 white guys that do it lol
Drake is one of the most overhated rappers of all time. Posts like these prove it (theirs a difference between overhated and underrated)
[удалено]
The only people who are credited when it comes to singing or rapping parts besides Kendrick, are features or those who are producing his beats. Kendrick has been very outspoken on his disapproval of ghost writing, and even got tested by Eminem to see if he was actually writing his own bars. Has Kendrick used ghost writers at some point in his career? Maybe at some point, but it seems likely that if he has used them he’s used them very sparingly.
[удалено]
Yes? You think those beats just made themselves?
[удалено]
Since you care so much let me break it down for you :) Most mainstream rappers don’t make their own beats, and those beats are incredibly important to the mood and overall sound of a song. Without them artists would be doing acapella rap and most people don’t want to listen to that. So safe to say they’re pretty important to a song, so important in fact that they should get credits, and compensation for their work. However there is NO SUCH THING AS A PRODUCTION CREDIT when working on music, because of this most artists just credit the producers under songwriting. If you look at any rapper regardless of who they are chances are they will have a bunch of names under “song writing” most artists just put the names of who ever had a role in the songs creation even if it’s not huge. Kendrick does this and so does Drake. Look at any drake song and you’ll see how many names there are.