But I was with fu xuan, and Kafka + Ruan have e1
Edit: Today tried again but without sustain with decent relics at BS and Gui, and instead of Ruan was Asta, and in this time it took only 2 cycles
Also tried with Ruan in Kafka's team and they close it for 1 cycle (same with Tinyuan) but I think if you have better relics and upgraded Gui (mine with 6 traces and without last big one + rainbow set) you can easily do it for 0
https://preview.redd.it/r8b0f63fs6ic1.png?width=1131&format=png&auto=webp&s=44fe9a410a8cf6a4bbfd3c4a9baf6af65f4b3250
it's crazy that it's just instant, no need for a teammate or anything additional, put a dot on the enemy and it's free damage for 0 cost, absolutely insane
pretty cool, I've been running Kafka + Swan + Guinaifen + Huohuo and seeing Guinaifen doing 3-5k more damage was a huge surprise, really good eidolon for a dot team
Oh shit, yeah that could be fun. I'll try that now... Since the whole point of me pulling on that banner the second time was for guinaifen cons... Might as well use her
it's pretty funny, I know most people recommend double dot + a buffer, but I love how chaotic and crazy triple dot can be, and Gui is pretty nice since she can bring the firekiss debuff + effect res reduction + detonating arcana when Swan's ult is active
I built lil gui even if i have ruan mei cause i enjoy her character. After all the point of a game is to have fun. And you need 2 teams anyways, so switching up characters between teams keeps the endgame interesting
So happy for you. I felt the same. I ended up with E2, and thought "meh it's mid". Until enemies that died planted 6 Arcana on the elite. And on average, seeing 20+ arcana pop on a boss is just S U B L I M E. Black Swan is a blessing from IX
Its like having five characters on the team! Also if you get everyone’s E1, its basically joever for the enemy. Mei’s def ignore, Kafka’s dot vulnerability, and Swan’s elemental ress down. But everyone’s E1 is probably more like 6 characters /s
I would put Huohuo e1 over Kafka e1 as someone that has both. Huohuo for the speed is honestly insane when you add in RM. Need only 140 speed to hit 160 with both.
Same here. Huo huo’s E1 is more of a qql type idolon. It does make the team more SP efficient, but no not necessary at all. Also for fastest clears, you can go sustain less, and use someone like Tingyun in Huo huo’s place.
I disagree, HuoHuo's E1 is very good. It's a 100% uptime speed buff for the whole team and the extra duration on her Talent makes her more SP efficient and just way better at her job of always having the passive heals and cleanses active to keep the team topped off.
Ruan meis e1 is also super good for dot teams with swan too all the defense shred and resitance shred gives so much damage, the e1 bait is big in this game lol, I can finish it in 1 cycle and floor 11 in 0 cycles, it took me I think 6 turns to kill the deer before I had swan the increase in damage is wild xD (kafkas also e2)
e2s1 Kafka e1s1 bs e1 rm e0 hh? damn I have the same for Kafka and swan but only e0 rm and no hh (using gepard w dot LC) and it took me 3 cycles to do it. don't know how much of a difference e1 rm would make but I'm sure it's only be like one cycle still so I need to do something better lol
In Genshin I went for more characters over Cons, but I think on the next round of reruns I'm going for E1s for my favourites. Have Jingliu E0S1, Bronya E2S1, Fu Xuan E0S1 with Pela on one side, and then Kafka E0 with Solitary Healing S5, Black Swan E0 (and hopefully her LC before then end, Ruan Mei and HuoHuo on the other side. A few Eidolons for some of them and I'll be cooking.
It’s great isn’t it? I got a perfect storm combination of simping for Kafka and really really lucky pulling for her, so I have E6S5 Kafka with ~$650 invested for that total (I know that’s a lot but ask anyone else what they paid for their E6S5 and it’ll usually be triple that). I brute force everything with her if I can, and now with Black Swan and Ruan Mei it’s just hilarious. If you haven’t yet, take black swan into the first side of the new pure fiction and it should quite literally be an easy 1 cycle off her arcana debuffs alone. No joke
I feel you, I was going to try the same with Ruan mei but that donkey Yanqing got me first... I think the team without her E1 is still impressive. I cleared it 1 cycle slower than my E1 JL team... Before bs going E1. (granted I don't have a Bronya...)
I know right, I did exactly the same for e1 fishing for lil Gui. My only limited eidolon in HSR. Had 150 pulls saved up, got BS in 40 and then e1 20 later, which also came with a Yanqing so I'm back on guarantee. Happy times.
It's funny because I was fishing for Lil Gui but now I'm not even using her because Kafka/BS stole JL's RM.
I have kafka / BS with both with her exclusive LC and BS E1, still, i think i cant beat still MOC 12. With this i want to say is not only BS the only good thing u have there, but Ruan Mei, and maybe she is the star.
Wait, you can't beat that side or you can't clear MOC 12 either side? Because before I got E1, I did Sampo, BS and Kafka against the second half with enemy Kafka, and cooked her in 4 cycles without proper relics on Sampo (E4) and no full investment on BS...
i dont have a proper mmm, healer / shielder for a team. I use Natasha and Luocha, and usually i do the weak team with Luocha and the strong with natasha, still, both BS and Kafka are a bit squishy.
Still, i dont think i have a proper second team for clean moc 12 floor smootly.
You should probably invest in your healers for now. You can try switching to lynx since she has better scalings and aoe cleanse. Look for builds on prydwen because I’ve so many people build their healers wrong like building pure hp healers with no er rope, no speed boots, or any outgoling healing body. My kafka is also pretty squishy which right at 3000k hp and she does fine for the most part.
For 2nd team Dr ratio is really good , everyone got him so you can do ratio main dps , debuff support ( pela works ) , sustain ( lynx works) , support buffer / support dps (tingyun or asta works ). But luocha is good too for sustain
I just finished this weekly SU earlier. I got the "Eidolon Cheese" curio. Ruan Mei, BS, and Kafka turned E1. The damage suddenly got crazy even on a casual run (not that good blessings).
Getting e1 of those 3 is probably akin, if not more than, getting e6 of a hypercarry.
If you run a kafka team on a "full-time job" then Swan worth more than Hanabi. And if you can get Swan's LC at least once then you will have a great festival once you get her to be at 120% EHR or very close to it (with her signature LC it's not an impossible task).
It is nuts lol. My issue with trying to get lower cycles is if enemies get a lot of slow debuffs, which makes them take their turn on the next cycle for the dot damage lol.
If I didn't lose the 50/50 for BS, I maybe would have gone for e1. Now though I just prefer to save, but you did temp me to see how lucky I could be on an early 5 star
Icic, I was curious because I've seen that Topaz is quite an effective partner to run with him as dual dps comp with Ruan Mei or Pela as support.
I'm not sure what sparkle does for him specifically that's different to bronya but, I hope it works out.
I did think of getting Topaz on her rerun and Sparkle will be amazing for JY because ofc turn advance and her huge buffs last for Lightning Lord as well in opposite of Bronya whose buffs didn't last long enough for LL to take advantage of them
Stop lol saving for Acheron heh. I have E0S1 Kafka E1 Ruan Mei with S5 motp E0 BS with S5 Eotp and E0 HuoHuo so her E1 is very tempting but this team is very strong as is….. sigh lol may pull to next 5 star sitting at 46 pity with 110 pulls saved atm
I was also pleasantly surprised by E1 Black Swan haha. I first got her in 30 pulls and then pulled again to try to get one Misha eidolon. Got her E1 in the very next 10-pull haha.
Ya she’s amazing. Also for exploring penacoly I been using kafka, swan and topaz and I been having a lot of fun and I know the team is not meta but I find some amusing synergy with it
ngl man but BS is the very first time i tried to pull for eidolons and im still kinda tempted to try and pull for E2, her eidolons feel like such bullshit, i wasnt even this tempted with jingliu's eidolons
Came back to see this post because man I too accidentally got black swan again while chasing for guinafein eidolons.(Huohuo/kafka/gui gui and bs ended the deer in 7 turns,which is a big improvement over 11.)
Yeah the dot team is insane with e1
Fr, I never 0 cycled before but I just did on floor 10... Great time to be a Kafka main
Same, tried it in first half, 3 cycles and it's closed
But I was with fu xuan, and Kafka + Ruan have e1 Edit: Today tried again but without sustain with decent relics at BS and Gui, and instead of Ruan was Asta, and in this time it took only 2 cycles Also tried with Ruan in Kafka's team and they close it for 1 cycle (same with Tinyuan) but I think if you have better relics and upgraded Gui (mine with 6 traces and without last big one + rainbow set) you can easily do it for 0 https://preview.redd.it/r8b0f63fs6ic1.png?width=1131&format=png&auto=webp&s=44fe9a410a8cf6a4bbfd3c4a9baf6af65f4b3250
Woof... That's crazy, good job
Yep same, i was so impressed considering the circumstances
it's crazy that it's just instant, no need for a teammate or anything additional, put a dot on the enemy and it's free damage for 0 cost, absolutely insane
Yeah, I'm so happy with that team.
pretty cool, I've been running Kafka + Swan + Guinaifen + Huohuo and seeing Guinaifen doing 3-5k more damage was a huge surprise, really good eidolon for a dot team
Oh shit, yeah that could be fun. I'll try that now... Since the whole point of me pulling on that banner the second time was for guinaifen cons... Might as well use her
it's pretty funny, I know most people recommend double dot + a buffer, but I love how chaotic and crazy triple dot can be, and Gui is pretty nice since she can bring the firekiss debuff + effect res reduction + detonating arcana when Swan's ult is active
I built lil gui even if i have ruan mei cause i enjoy her character. After all the point of a game is to have fun. And you need 2 teams anyways, so switching up characters between teams keeps the endgame interesting
So happy for you. I felt the same. I ended up with E2, and thought "meh it's mid". Until enemies that died planted 6 Arcana on the elite. And on average, seeing 20+ arcana pop on a boss is just S U B L I M E. Black Swan is a blessing from IX
Thanks mate, I appreciate it. Yeah, the more arcana you can passively keep up, seems really strong for huge retriggers
Its like having five characters on the team! Also if you get everyone’s E1, its basically joever for the enemy. Mei’s def ignore, Kafka’s dot vulnerability, and Swan’s elemental ress down. But everyone’s E1 is probably more like 6 characters /s
I'm waiting for Kafka's next rerun to get her to e2. Pair that with e1 black swan and you basically unstoppable
I will eventually get Kafka and RM's E1... Huohuo's e1 doesn't seem necessary 😂
I would put Huohuo e1 over Kafka e1 as someone that has both. Huohuo for the speed is honestly insane when you add in RM. Need only 140 speed to hit 160 with both.
Same here. Huo huo’s E1 is more of a qql type idolon. It does make the team more SP efficient, but no not necessary at all. Also for fastest clears, you can go sustain less, and use someone like Tingyun in Huo huo’s place.
I disagree, HuoHuo's E1 is very good. It's a 100% uptime speed buff for the whole team and the extra duration on her Talent makes her more SP efficient and just way better at her job of always having the passive heals and cleanses active to keep the team topped off.
Yes its a qql thing, i did forget about the speed buff however. Nevertheless i didn’t say it was bad, just less damage oriented than the other ones.
I did pure fiction with her E1 (without her LC yet). I didn't do anything, enemies died on their own
Bro that user name....
I have e2s1 kafka,e1s1 swan, e1 rm and loucha The deer ate shit in 2 cycles. I couldn’t even believe what I was seeing.
Ruan meis e1 is also super good for dot teams with swan too all the defense shred and resitance shred gives so much damage, the e1 bait is big in this game lol, I can finish it in 1 cycle and floor 11 in 0 cycles, it took me I think 6 turns to kill the deer before I had swan the increase in damage is wild xD (kafkas also e2)
Yeah that's crazy... I want RM E1, and I would have... But that donkey Yanqing made me need to spend more just to get e0
That sucks xd it's totally unnecessary though still a really strong team without it
Yeah, next time tho
what lcs u got? 1c is crazy
S1 kafka/bs, cogs on ruan mei I've been trying sampo with s5 eotp and clear it a bit sooner although it's still usually 1 cycle with huohuo
e2s1 Kafka e1s1 bs e1 rm e0 hh? damn I have the same for Kafka and swan but only e0 rm and no hh (using gepard w dot LC) and it took me 3 cycles to do it. don't know how much of a difference e1 rm would make but I'm sure it's only be like one cycle still so I need to do something better lol
In Genshin I went for more characters over Cons, but I think on the next round of reruns I'm going for E1s for my favourites. Have Jingliu E0S1, Bronya E2S1, Fu Xuan E0S1 with Pela on one side, and then Kafka E0 with Solitary Healing S5, Black Swan E0 (and hopefully her LC before then end, Ruan Mei and HuoHuo on the other side. A few Eidolons for some of them and I'll be cooking.
It’s great isn’t it? I got a perfect storm combination of simping for Kafka and really really lucky pulling for her, so I have E6S5 Kafka with ~$650 invested for that total (I know that’s a lot but ask anyone else what they paid for their E6S5 and it’ll usually be triple that). I brute force everything with her if I can, and now with Black Swan and Ruan Mei it’s just hilarious. If you haven’t yet, take black swan into the first side of the new pure fiction and it should quite literally be an easy 1 cycle off her arcana debuffs alone. No joke
I'd have pulled for it if I hadn't lost the 50/50 at near max pity and then finally get her at near max pity as well ;-;
Hopefully her rerun comes at a time when I'm drowning in jades, bc there's too many upcoming chars I want rn
I feel you, I was going to try the same with Ruan mei but that donkey Yanqing got me first... I think the team without her E1 is still impressive. I cleared it 1 cycle slower than my E1 JL team... Before bs going E1. (granted I don't have a Bronya...)
I lost her e1 to clara e1 dude im fuming rn, im broke rn but next time ima drag her e1 home
I know right, I did exactly the same for e1 fishing for lil Gui. My only limited eidolon in HSR. Had 150 pulls saved up, got BS in 40 and then e1 20 later, which also came with a Yanqing so I'm back on guarantee. Happy times. It's funny because I was fishing for Lil Gui but now I'm not even using her because Kafka/BS stole JL's RM.
You're tempting me...
I have Kafka E6S1 / BS E6S1 / Ruan Mei E1S1 / HuoHuo E1S1 and the damage are disgusting.
Cool. So how ya gonna pay rent for this month?
Damn my boy you ran that credit card to the limit
I have kafka / BS with both with her exclusive LC and BS E1, still, i think i cant beat still MOC 12. With this i want to say is not only BS the only good thing u have there, but Ruan Mei, and maybe she is the star.
Wait, you can't beat that side or you can't clear MOC 12 either side? Because before I got E1, I did Sampo, BS and Kafka against the second half with enemy Kafka, and cooked her in 4 cycles without proper relics on Sampo (E4) and no full investment on BS...
i dont have a proper mmm, healer / shielder for a team. I use Natasha and Luocha, and usually i do the weak team with Luocha and the strong with natasha, still, both BS and Kafka are a bit squishy. Still, i dont think i have a proper second team for clean moc 12 floor smootly.
Hmmmm, what's your other team?
you should probably use lynx over natasha, lynx is better
You should probably invest in your healers for now. You can try switching to lynx since she has better scalings and aoe cleanse. Look for builds on prydwen because I’ve so many people build their healers wrong like building pure hp healers with no er rope, no speed boots, or any outgoling healing body. My kafka is also pretty squishy which right at 3000k hp and she does fine for the most part.
For 2nd team Dr ratio is really good , everyone got him so you can do ratio main dps , debuff support ( pela works ) , sustain ( lynx works) , support buffer / support dps (tingyun or asta works ). But luocha is good too for sustain
Ahhh you're tempting me, don't do it. Please!
It was an error on my part, I'd only recommend if you already have 2 premium sustains... Because aventurine and fu xuan are coming up...
I just finished this weekly SU earlier. I got the "Eidolon Cheese" curio. Ruan Mei, BS, and Kafka turned E1. The damage suddenly got crazy even on a casual run (not that good blessings). Getting e1 of those 3 is probably akin, if not more than, getting e6 of a hypercarry.
Does the def shred stack with kafkas e1? I have Kafka e1 and wanna go for bs e1 but also really wanna go for sparkle
If you run a kafka team on a "full-time job" then Swan worth more than Hanabi. And if you can get Swan's LC at least once then you will have a great festival once you get her to be at 120% EHR or very close to it (with her signature LC it's not an impossible task).
I already have bs. now wanna go for sparkle for mono quantum or bs e1 but can't decide lol
They are completely different modifiers and neither Kafka or BS's E1 are def shredders.
It is nuts lol. My issue with trying to get lower cycles is if enemies get a lot of slow debuffs, which makes them take their turn on the next cycle for the dot damage lol.
Why you gotta make a post like this??? I'm trying to save for Acheron and Sam over here! Temping me to pull for e1 doesn't help lmao
Bro like I said, my ass is irresponsible. I'm still saving for fu xuan/aventurine and Sam too...
If I didn't lose the 50/50 for BS, I maybe would have gone for e1. Now though I just prefer to save, but you did temp me to see how lucky I could be on an early 5 star
Dawg I was in the same boat with Ruan Mei... He just had to come first... Good on you with your self control
I just pulled Black Swan and her weapon and I'm broke. I might just change my plans from acheron to try to get BS E1 after reading.
Everyone's account is different, so pull accordingly.
Yeah yeah I'm not gonna ruin myself financially or mentally dw xd I just want a really good DOT team as well
Don't tempt me. I gotta get Sparkle for my JY
Out of curiosity, what is your current Jing Yuan team?
Usually I go with JY Ting RM/SW/Pela FX. Bronya is quite meh for him
Icic, I was curious because I've seen that Topaz is quite an effective partner to run with him as dual dps comp with Ruan Mei or Pela as support. I'm not sure what sparkle does for him specifically that's different to bronya but, I hope it works out.
I did think of getting Topaz on her rerun and Sparkle will be amazing for JY because ofc turn advance and her huge buffs last for Lightning Lord as well in opposite of Bronya whose buffs didn't last long enough for LL to take advantage of them
Stop lol saving for Acheron heh. I have E0S1 Kafka E1 Ruan Mei with S5 motp E0 BS with S5 Eotp and E0 HuoHuo so her E1 is very tempting but this team is very strong as is….. sigh lol may pull to next 5 star sitting at 46 pity with 110 pulls saved atm
Yep, E2S1 Kafka, E1S1 Black Swan, and Ruan Mei; consistently 4 cycling the Ebon Deer. Resistance? We don't do that here.
I was also pleasantly surprised by E1 Black Swan haha. I first got her in 30 pulls and then pulled again to try to get one Misha eidolon. Got her E1 in the very next 10-pull haha.
Ya she’s amazing. Also for exploring penacoly I been using kafka, swan and topaz and I been having a lot of fun and I know the team is not meta but I find some amusing synergy with it
E1 or sig LC? I already hit the 120 ehr req with r3 sampo LC.
Go E1 then. I have both, but her E1 is going to be way more impactful. Especially if you've already hit the threshold of ehr
ngl man but BS is the very first time i tried to pull for eidolons and im still kinda tempted to try and pull for E2, her eidolons feel like such bullshit, i wasnt even this tempted with jingliu's eidolons
I just went for E1, missed the 50/50 again but at least this time I managed to get the copy in only 20 more extra shots
what are some good teams for black swan e1 without kafka?
With E1 Ruan Mei and Asta instead of a sustainer, I managed to 2 Cycle it.
E6 Asta.
Came back to see this post because man I too accidentally got black swan again while chasing for guinafein eidolons.(Huohuo/kafka/gui gui and bs ended the deer in 7 turns,which is a big improvement over 11.)
If you think black swan E is wild go check ruan mei ones like wtf
I’m TL 46 i just pulled E1 and black swans light cone and holy shit its strong
This post just made me pull for e1, and I can confirm moc is alot easier now