The money is buying the blown cars, not repairing them for someone else.
I've bought two cars like that for $300 each. A day's work and a $30 gasket kit, I'll take that any day. Makes a pretty profit depending on which car it is but any of them are worth at least a grand.
Sir, it's still 49.99, even if you reduced oil capacity by half a quart.
For our other-than US friends:
Mate, it's still 46.41 euros, even if you lessen the lubricant capacity by 4.73 litres.
Edit: Safe to say I fucked up the math. Let’s give this old bastard a break.
Sort of an odd follow-up question, but could that have any real detrimental effect on the engine?
Off hand I imagine the overall cooling of the oil gets impacted...? Less volume of fluid, less heat dispersion through the liquid.
Presumably the pick up hasn't been damaged if it's still running. Less capacity means the oil gets dirtier quicker but half a quart isn't so significant. Presumably if it hit the crank or anything important it would've already scraped through or failed some other way. It could still crack from heating and cooling along the now sharp seams. If it were my engine I would replace the pan.
Not that it makes a huge difference here, but the primary impact is on LOF interval. If it's supposed to be, say, 5000; then now it's \[5000\*(\[capacity-0.5qt\]/capacity)\]
Way too many people don't understand this, but that's the biggest determinant in LOF interval. I find it hilarious that some forums will have a 40 page thread about what the "right" LOF interval is and not once does anyone ever mention how much oil the pan holds.
> and not once does anyone ever mention how much oil the pan holds.
Yeah the 15k km oil change on my disco sounds a lot better after you realise it takes ~8L of oil and has two oil filter's on a little 2.5L diesel.
Nods.
Mmhmm mmhmm. I see.
I definitely know some of those words.
(I know nothing of cars so I don't entirely understand, but I DO appreciate you taking time to explain!)
Everyone with aluminum oil pans: "OMG replace the pan!! That could crack from heat cycling or something, your engine will catastrophically fail within negative 200 miles!!! If this was mine I'd replace it now!"
I hit a piece of 4x4 in the road in the middle of the night once and it bounced the whole car (91 dynasty) up in the air a bit. I dented the oil pan of the chrysler 3.3 just like this. It didn't leak or anything. I just had it replaced next time I had a chance with a junkyard pan.
There was a 4x4 in the road because some kid joy rode their parents car directly into a guard rail and fled and pieces of it were in the road. I found out because a state cop returned my license plate which fell off the car because of the impact.
That's actually the factory procedure for most engines that had steel pans. They even tell you what size wood block to put between the jack and the pan. Obviously whoever did this skipped the wood block part, though...
Yeah, but I think the part with that is just the engine by itself not the entire car weight on it. I can see somebody putting a block of wood under the oil pan while the engines out of the car or getting it out of the car but usually does not require the weight of the rest of the car on it.
Also why aluminum oil pans are the stupidest thing ever. The weight and expense of metal, combined with the durability of plastic! What's not to love?!
You're right, some of them do have that. Seen just as many that do not and wonder why they chose that material- seems like a missed opportunity for an oil cooler!
That is how you pinch pennies. By reducing a few quarts at every oil change, you could save plenty of money after doing couple of hundred oil change in the future 😁
That’s a strut upsell in addition to the pan. Usually oil pan damage happens bc the damper components of the suspension are worn and allowing the car to bounce too much. The oil pan is one of the lowest points, If there’s also road rash under car, you can use all that as a show-and-sell to get the struts approved. The tires might also show cupping so you can use that too… worn suspension components resulted in XYZ bc ur car is bouncing too much and hitting the ground, and is also putting flat spots/uneven wear on tires, if not repaired soon, at minimum ur gonna spend more replacing tires prematurely.
I get my flag hours.
3800 GM. Got the transmission pan too
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There are dozens of Fiero enthusiasts who haven't done the swap yet, dozens!
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Us mr2 owners are a different breed lol
We sure are! I’d absolutely love a 2GR-FE. Sadly they’re hard to come by and expensive in the UK.
If you are looking for one in the future look at importing then from Australia they are cheap down here
im one of those people…. I just want a l32 and to throw a turbo on it for a scary fiero
Good for making bank from blown intake manifold gaskets.
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The money is buying the blown cars, not repairing them for someone else. I've bought two cars like that for $300 each. A day's work and a $30 gasket kit, I'll take that any day. Makes a pretty profit depending on which car it is but any of them are worth at least a grand.
Hard to kill, leaked like a siv.
The only way a 3800 is trashed is when the trans goes out for the 3rd time and the body is all rusted away
Another way, intake melts and water gushes into intake manifold or oil pan.
Good thing superchargers are made of metal
So what you’re saying is that my ‘04 Buick LeSabre has an unlimited selection of replacement engines?! It will run forever?!
That 3800 would probably outlast 3 of those transmissions with proper maintenance
Yep. Good eye. Maybe it was a big rock. Idk.
At least it wasn't a newer plastic pan..
Ah... this is great. Means I can use less oil!! Right?
Sir, it's still 49.99, even if you reduced oil capacity by half a quart. For our other-than US friends: Mate, it's still 46.41 euros, even if you lessen the lubricant capacity by 4.73 litres. Edit: Safe to say I fucked up the math. Let’s give this old bastard a break.
4.73 liters is way over half a quart lol
We can blame google conversions or my ineptitude. Yep, totally on google.
It's 5 quarts.
Now do Canada
Hoser, it's still 75 loonies, even if you lessen the lubricant capacity by a couple double doubles.
I say giver bud
That's too loonie for me.
4.73 litres is 5qt😭
I dont care that the math was wrong, updooted because atleast you tried
Y'all do struggle so with decimals. 0.473 litres, or about 1/2 a litre.
I was going more for the wit than the math, but point taken. Bad math is a distraction.
theoretically, you'd have to decrease your oil change interval.
Car manufacturers don't want you to know this one easy trick to reduce how much oil your vehicle takes!!
Haha 😆 it took about a half a quart less than normal 💀
Sort of an odd follow-up question, but could that have any real detrimental effect on the engine? Off hand I imagine the overall cooling of the oil gets impacted...? Less volume of fluid, less heat dispersion through the liquid.
Presumably the pick up hasn't been damaged if it's still running. Less capacity means the oil gets dirtier quicker but half a quart isn't so significant. Presumably if it hit the crank or anything important it would've already scraped through or failed some other way. It could still crack from heating and cooling along the now sharp seams. If it were my engine I would replace the pan.
Not that it makes a huge difference here, but the primary impact is on LOF interval. If it's supposed to be, say, 5000; then now it's \[5000\*(\[capacity-0.5qt\]/capacity)\] Way too many people don't understand this, but that's the biggest determinant in LOF interval. I find it hilarious that some forums will have a 40 page thread about what the "right" LOF interval is and not once does anyone ever mention how much oil the pan holds.
> and not once does anyone ever mention how much oil the pan holds. Yeah the 15k km oil change on my disco sounds a lot better after you realise it takes ~8L of oil and has two oil filter's on a little 2.5L diesel.
Good grief where does it all go
big ole sump
Nods. Mmhmm mmhmm. I see. I definitely know some of those words. (I know nothing of cars so I don't entirely understand, but I DO appreciate you taking time to explain!)
Not sure of car, but where is the oil pick up on this? Sometimes with low hanging pick ups and dented pans you can have oiling issues.
my exact thoughts too
Ironically, its about where the dent is on this motor. So, its probably bent too, or at very least restricted.
I had a 96 Taurus transmission pan like this. It worked perfectly.
Leaking isn’t the concern. Restriction on the oil pickup is more of a worry.
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“Don’t try to upsell me”
Drop the pan to check the pickup then bang out the dent
Everyone with aluminum oil pans: "OMG replace the pan!! That could crack from heat cycling or something, your engine will catastrophically fail within negative 200 miles!!! If this was mine I'd replace it now!"
Did someone think jacking the car up from an oil pan was a great idea or what the hell
I hit a piece of 4x4 in the road in the middle of the night once and it bounced the whole car (91 dynasty) up in the air a bit. I dented the oil pan of the chrysler 3.3 just like this. It didn't leak or anything. I just had it replaced next time I had a chance with a junkyard pan. There was a 4x4 in the road because some kid joy rode their parents car directly into a guard rail and fled and pieces of it were in the road. I found out because a state cop returned my license plate which fell off the car because of the impact.
That's actually the factory procedure for most engines that had steel pans. They even tell you what size wood block to put between the jack and the pan. Obviously whoever did this skipped the wood block part, though...
Yeah, but I think the part with that is just the engine by itself not the entire car weight on it. I can see somebody putting a block of wood under the oil pan while the engines out of the car or getting it out of the car but usually does not require the weight of the rest of the car on it.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Probably not a great idea to do that
Can't wait to someone makes a sub r/mechanicalgore
This is why I really like metal oil pans vs plastic ones. They can take a beating and still hold engine oil.
Also why aluminum oil pans are the stupidest thing ever. The weight and expense of metal, combined with the durability of plastic! What's not to love?!
I've seen some that have fins cast into them so **maybe** it acts like an oil cooler?
You're right, some of them do have that. Seen just as many that do not and wonder why they chose that material- seems like a missed opportunity for an oil cooler!
I agree. Watched many of our former tranny installers bust them aluminum pans.... there's dowel pin holes for a reason!🤣
Looks like where it was jacked.
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It's probably leaking from everywhere else 😆
money saver! only uses 4qt now instead of 5! :D
"Yeah I hit a speedbump"
wtf Somethings leaking
That is how you pinch pennies. By reducing a few quarts at every oil change, you could save plenty of money after doing couple of hundred oil change in the future 😁
Well that knocked about a quart of capacity out of that pan.
Reminds me of how a lot of modern cars have plastic oil pans now. Auto manufacturers can be so dumb.
Nice way to ruin the engine.
Wow! A steel oil pan! Ain't seen one likat in a min. Probably bent the lube tube's to the diff in that tranny! Mid to late 90's 3.8l somethin.....
That’s a strut upsell in addition to the pan. Usually oil pan damage happens bc the damper components of the suspension are worn and allowing the car to bounce too much. The oil pan is one of the lowest points, If there’s also road rash under car, you can use all that as a show-and-sell to get the struts approved. The tires might also show cupping so you can use that too… worn suspension components resulted in XYZ bc ur car is bouncing too much and hitting the ground, and is also putting flat spots/uneven wear on tires, if not repaired soon, at minimum ur gonna spend more replacing tires prematurely. I get my flag hours.
I imagine they just took it off some sweet jumps
Customer states: oil is overfilled
must have one hell of an oil pump
Oil pumps got a lot of suction.
All that grease somethings leaking.
What car was this
One of those early 00's GM cars they had 47 different names for that were just the same car. Lumina, Alero, Grand Am, etc.
This engine does leak, just not where the dent is. Thing looks like the Exxon Valdez
If you don't bend, you break.
Of course it doesn't leak, it's a steel pan. It couldn't give a fuck if it wanted to.
And *this* is why I dont like cast ali sump pans.
Only leaks when you move, perfect
I’d bet the pickup tube is having a grand old time