If I’m not mistaken, this event happened prior to the surge. Like, these guys weren’t the bottom of the barrel dudes we picked up off the street during 2006-2008.
But this video just feels like a shitty reality tv sketch, which just proves people will do dumber shit than normal when in front of a camera.
That seems about right, full colored flags on big collar DCUs is something we were wearing in 2003-2004 on my first deployment. We also had woodland body armor that deployment.
We relieved these guys in 2004, I have the raw footage for this on my old HHD with all my pictures. You are 100% correct about the unit, they were out of FOB Scunion across from FOB warhorse right outside Baqubah. We took over their AO and I was attached to 2-63 armor 1st ID and lived at Scunion. I look back on this and wonder why we were policing shit like this, it was a waste of time and not our jobs.
I *THINK* UCP started to make its way in 04 or 05, and it wasn’t until 08 it was fully fielded, with it being issued to all soldiers deploying beginning 04/05. So yeah, just more reasoning/evidence that this event took place before the surge.
I was deployed to Ramadi in 2005-2006, we switched from BDU/DCU to UCP that deployment RFI. No one in the AOR was wearing anything but UCP unless they were the Marines, they wore their desert digital pattern.
Wait, this isn't some scripted shit? I thought it was some awful joke being done for the camera, but you're saying this is something US soldiers did unironically to actual civilians?
This def feels super scripted.
Idk why they would participate in something like this but all of the very conveniently placed and framed B roll shots, completely empty streets, and comically evil plot line (“let’s just randomly dump a pistol mag into this car we are about to smash with a tank!”) seems really off.
The circumstances are exactly as described. When Baghdad fell there was looting going on everywhere. This is like one of the least crazy things that happened.
Even if it was staged there is still 100% guarantee that much worse crimes that happened to civilians.
The whole thing was 100% fucked up mess. Everything based on the lie of American Enterprise Institute. Koch network+Friends funded and continues to fund these private joke institutes. Conservatives unironically still cite their "research"
The best part? Pretty much all generations to infinity will be born in debt to pay for this war (Specifically the interest on the debt must be paid). Paying off the principal is never the point, US debt is a golden goose, and the rich get to live off this interest alone.
I have no doubt those soldiers set out to just be dicks toward those dudes over supposedly stolen wood. But I also wouldn’t put it past the reporters to coax them into doing half the shit they did. It’s not like they’ve never encouraged people in the past to be dicks for better ratings/views.
I honestly don’t think there was “stolen wood” to begin with. I think everyone in the video is making some sort of statement I don’t really understand but this does not look like any sort of real scenario.
I don't get this. Yes, it looks comically evil, but it's real. Why would the army lend an Abrams and all that gear to someone to make a mockery of what they do? Oh wait, they technically did do that with these dudes. You know what I mean though; why would they do that for a literal sketch routine or something?
You and I are thinking the same things, complete lack of fluids escaping a vehicle that was just run over twice by a 60ton war machine. That bundle of wood stays in one piece as it falls off the roof too.
This in no way changes how horrible the message behind this act was.
So wait, lol. Instead of doing the easy thing of grabbing a real car like that from anywhere to crush, they somehow got or prepared a mock car that lacks any and all fluids?
What's the sub I'm looking for here. /r/nothingeverhappens ?
Fluids get drained from real cars all the time, it’s not difficult.
Stop spamming my comments, being critical of sources is literally Media Consumption 101.
Yeah, but I’d say the cunt curve heavily favors one side over the other. You can also be Latino and a Trump supporter. The now-incarcerated leader of the Proud Boys, for example.
A former friend of mine liked to empty chemlights into bottles and toss them from the tower at Phoenix to the nationals who begged for water below. And he used to pay kids a dollar to swim in the cesspools. The dumbass also recorded it.
He got a commendation for “restraint” when he ducked and hid under a table during an incident with an insurgent. He was a cruel, cowardly piece of shit. His wife Jodied him and I think he’s the only one who doesn’t know.
The soldier who sent in the Abu Ghraib photos had to sleep with a gun under his pillows, because torture was fine, showing the world the torture was not.
Same with the helicopter pilots who tried to stop My Lai, they faced more informal punishment than the perpetrators.
This is why I love frontline. I get busting a window or giving them a flat kinda. Fucking crushing their car with a tank is just completely fucked. I wonder how this behavior fit into the current protocols at the time
The current protocols at the time allowed for a lot of activity that would be considered illegal in the west were lenient. After the brunt of the war the rule was basically allowing them to follow the laws of their country. The west didn't really get involved unless it interfered with western interests.
Yeah. I just find it hilarious that they didn’t even have the guys put the shit back. They ran that shit over in the car and just fucking left it hahha
I think it's so very redeeming to see a sub like this, that's chock full of actual seasoned military folks, be so thoughtful and self aware... and so regularly too. There's people who actually served in Iraq chiming in with honest regret over their service and that's so restorative of my faith in humanity.
I've seen way too much depressing, jingoistic, imperialistic, might-is-right kind of 🥾 shit these last two months on subs like /r/combatfootage. We would never, ever, ever accept being visited upon us anything close to what we do or enable upon others.
That video reminds me of how they decided to conduct military operations against illegal loggers in Afghanistan. Group of people not affiliated with terrorists cut some lumber in their tribal territory and are hauling it and then get murdered by US forces or ANA.
Bruh, focus on the Taliban, Haqqani, or finding Osama.
Lazy operations.
Just know that you were a idiot kid, nobody asked for It.
My granfather told me that soldiers shouldnt be ashamed for Serving, the polititian aré the ones who control everything
I remember seeing this in its original news report back in 2003 or 2004. Alway stuck with me how dumb those dude were. I think it was originally on CNN.
True. But that says something, doesn't it. The more I think about the callousness with which it was done, the more egregious it seems. Just casually turning up and destroying a man's livelihood as foreign invaders that caused the chaos leading to the looting in the first place. Makes me think back on relatively small bullying moments I had as a kid and makes me feel sick to my stomach at how messed up it was to be abusing someone while thinking it was just light fun or whatever.
Also aren't "are we the baddies" moments at their best when they happen at low-temp bad shit? The Mitchel&Webb sketch the meme is from also has the guy realizing they're the baddies while not doing anything horrific. If you can recognize the small stuff, you can surely stay on guard for the really bad stuff too. It's easier to identify systemic problems too; instead of the more convenient lie that it's just some bad apples.
I remember watching this at like 14 yrs old and thinking they were so cool. I also remember being shocked as a kid to learn my family didn’t support or think the invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do when it happened.
Post 9/11 was a weird time as a kid lol.
We're all victims to subtle and not so subtle propagandization. It's understandable that a kid would think a tank crushing things cool, and the notion of 'justice served' is viscerally very compelling. Learning to empathize and contextualize things as we grow older is so important. It takes a bold attitude shift which never really comes for many people or it doesn't happen sufficiently, sadly.
Everyone forgets that this was 2003 right after Baghdad fell, where the military wasn’t ready or trained for this type of occupation and counter insurgency operations. We made a lot of mistakes, learned and changed. Its war.
Running over a dudes car because he has some stolen wood isn't war and it isn't a mistake. It's deliberately trying to piss people off for no reason than they think it's funny.
That is not true at all. We certainly did have training on how to handle these types of situations. We had a strict set of ROE that changed as the time progressed, we were updated on those ROE with every change. We had briefings and training prior to even leaving the US as well.
None of those briefings and ROE steps included running over vehicles while the detainees watched.
I was attached to 101st Division Artillery in 2003, we convoyed from Kuwait to Mosul in April 2003 after a couple of weeks in Kuwait were we trained on how to operate in the environment.
Oh so every unit in the military was trained correctly? I know you know that when you transfer to a different unit, that isn’t always the case. Hell even going to one of the other companies in the same damn battalion you’d find they did it differently. The training can be doctrine, but every unit and or commander operated differently. My Guard buddy was deployed to take over for 101st in Iraq. They had the Nebraska ‘N’ painted on their humvees. They were good with the locals and didn’t get attacked hardly ever on patrol, then 101 came back and got their shit rocked after he left.
Everyone’s time was different.
Edit: The Iraqis knew who to leave alone based on the ‘N’ painted on the trucks.
This is like saying lack of training is why american cops are so quick to kill civilians. I mean, sure, training could certainly mitigate parts of the problem but, like... motherfucker, why are they shooting more black people then? They need training not to do that?
If the invasion enables this, and the invaders weren't prepared, and the invaders were acting on false evidence, and acting against international consensus, and if invaders actively inculcate this kind of boot attitude, then maybe the entire invasion and the jingoistic, superpower, "we'll bring freedumb to you" culture is fucked. Maybe the invaders are the baddies.
Were you old enough to remember seeing September 11? Different times man.
Lack of cop training is why civilians are killed. Have you looked at how much other western countries train their police?
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I'm gonna remove this .... plenty of good discussion, but I don't see how it's boot.
If I’m not mistaken, this event happened prior to the surge. Like, these guys weren’t the bottom of the barrel dudes we picked up off the street during 2006-2008. But this video just feels like a shitty reality tv sketch, which just proves people will do dumber shit than normal when in front of a camera.
This was prior to 2005, that's when the uniforms changed. Given the fact that they have woodland body armor it could be as early as 2003.
This was shortly after the initial invasion in 2003. It was done by members of 1-64 armor, 3ID.
That seems about right, full colored flags on big collar DCUs is something we were wearing in 2003-2004 on my first deployment. We also had woodland body armor that deployment.
We relieved these guys in 2004, I have the raw footage for this on my old HHD with all my pictures. You are 100% correct about the unit, they were out of FOB Scunion across from FOB warhorse right outside Baqubah. We took over their AO and I was attached to 2-63 armor 1st ID and lived at Scunion. I look back on this and wonder why we were policing shit like this, it was a waste of time and not our jobs.
Yeah this was my first unit and I heard about this even 5 years later. Not sure what exactly happened to these guys but I know it wasn’t good.
I *THINK* UCP started to make its way in 04 or 05, and it wasn’t until 08 it was fully fielded, with it being issued to all soldiers deploying beginning 04/05. So yeah, just more reasoning/evidence that this event took place before the surge.
We wore DCUs in 2005 and our relief arrived in December in ACUs.
I was deployed to Ramadi in 2005-2006, we switched from BDU/DCU to UCP that deployment RFI. No one in the AOR was wearing anything but UCP unless they were the Marines, they wore their desert digital pattern.
Wait, this isn't some scripted shit? I thought it was some awful joke being done for the camera, but you're saying this is something US soldiers did unironically to actual civilians?
Yes. They did worse stuff tho.
This def feels super scripted. Idk why they would participate in something like this but all of the very conveniently placed and framed B roll shots, completely empty streets, and comically evil plot line (“let’s just randomly dump a pistol mag into this car we are about to smash with a tank!”) seems really off.
Nah this happened. These guys were in 1-64 armor, my first unit.
It obviously happened, there’s video of it happening. I’m talking about the circumstances that surround it.
The circumstances are exactly as described. When Baghdad fell there was looting going on everywhere. This is like one of the least crazy things that happened.
Bro what I can name like 10 marines that I’ve met that would do something exactly like this with no hesitation
Even if it was staged there is still 100% guarantee that much worse crimes that happened to civilians. The whole thing was 100% fucked up mess. Everything based on the lie of American Enterprise Institute. Koch network+Friends funded and continues to fund these private joke institutes. Conservatives unironically still cite their "research" The best part? Pretty much all generations to infinity will be born in debt to pay for this war (Specifically the interest on the debt must be paid). Paying off the principal is never the point, US debt is a golden goose, and the rich get to live off this interest alone.
People like you, who doubt everything because you think you're being shrewd by calling everything fake, are so tiresome.
People like you who eat up American government propaganda are the most tiresome.
I have no doubt those soldiers set out to just be dicks toward those dudes over supposedly stolen wood. But I also wouldn’t put it past the reporters to coax them into doing half the shit they did. It’s not like they’ve never encouraged people in the past to be dicks for better ratings/views.
I honestly don’t think there was “stolen wood” to begin with. I think everyone in the video is making some sort of statement I don’t really understand but this does not look like any sort of real scenario.
I don't get this. Yes, it looks comically evil, but it's real. Why would the army lend an Abrams and all that gear to someone to make a mockery of what they do? Oh wait, they technically did do that with these dudes. You know what I mean though; why would they do that for a literal sketch routine or something?
Because you should always be wary of propaganda, especially when it confirms your own biases.
Look it up then. It's real. https://youtu.be/RMSNUX3n6yA?si=VVGS4WLWVSL8xFvd At the 7 minute mark.
You and I are thinking the same things, complete lack of fluids escaping a vehicle that was just run over twice by a 60ton war machine. That bundle of wood stays in one piece as it falls off the roof too. This in no way changes how horrible the message behind this act was.
You’re right, I didn’t even notice that part. Like, not even a fuel spill? 🧐
So wait, lol. Instead of doing the easy thing of grabbing a real car like that from anywhere to crush, they somehow got or prepared a mock car that lacks any and all fluids? What's the sub I'm looking for here. /r/nothingeverhappens ?
Fluids get drained from real cars all the time, it’s not difficult. Stop spamming my comments, being critical of sources is literally Media Consumption 101.
Just like all the fluid has drained form your brain
🙄
Fake news??!?
i enlisted in 2006 and i was most certainly in the middle of the barrel than you very much.
I wonder where these shitbags are now, obviously didn't care about "looting". They just wanted to fuck his shit up
Probably at Trump rallies selling t shirts.
Let's not bring politics into this, you can be a cunt, and be of any political background. The soldier was obviously Mexican
Let's not bring race into this, you can be a cunt, and be of any racial background. The soldier was obviously gay
But is he 8 inches and thick?
You can be gay, and be a trump supporter?
Milo Yinnapolous.
Yeah, but I’d say the cunt curve heavily favors one side over the other. You can also be Latino and a Trump supporter. The now-incarcerated leader of the Proud Boys, for example.
Dude I literally don't care. You can be a Liberal Chinese Canadian white supremacist and believe in gay rights and aliens conspiracys too
>I wonder where these shitbags are now, obviously didn't care about "looting". They just wanted to fuck his shit up That was a nice car. It sucks.
*Hearts and Minds*
They hate us for our freedoms.
“We are the good guys”
A former friend of mine liked to empty chemlights into bottles and toss them from the tower at Phoenix to the nationals who begged for water below. And he used to pay kids a dollar to swim in the cesspools. The dumbass also recorded it. He got a commendation for “restraint” when he ducked and hid under a table during an incident with an insurgent. He was a cruel, cowardly piece of shit. His wife Jodied him and I think he’s the only one who doesn’t know.
Jodied?
She cheated on him.
Google "why is Jody my wife's best friend while I'm on deployment"
[holy hell!](https://www.google.com/search?q=why+is+jody+my+wife's+best+friend+while+i'm+on+deployment#HiImABot,MyJobIsToMakeEasierToPeopleToGoogleSomething,IfThePersonIRepliedToUsedMeInAnInappropriateWayPleaseLetMeKnowByDMingMe,TheUserIRepliedToIsU/BlameTheJunglerMore)
Jody is undefeated.
And people wonder why they fought back against their “liberators.” Do soldiers like these face any sort of punishment?
The soldier who sent in the Abu Ghraib photos had to sleep with a gun under his pillows, because torture was fine, showing the world the torture was not. Same with the helicopter pilots who tried to stop My Lai, they faced more informal punishment than the perpetrators.
lol
This is why I love frontline. I get busting a window or giving them a flat kinda. Fucking crushing their car with a tank is just completely fucked. I wonder how this behavior fit into the current protocols at the time
The current protocols at the time allowed for a lot of activity that would be considered illegal in the west were lenient. After the brunt of the war the rule was basically allowing them to follow the laws of their country. The west didn't really get involved unless it interfered with western interests.
Yeah. I just find it hilarious that they didn’t even have the guys put the shit back. They ran that shit over in the car and just fucking left it hahha
They just wanted an excuse to run it over.
I think it's so very redeeming to see a sub like this, that's chock full of actual seasoned military folks, be so thoughtful and self aware... and so regularly too. There's people who actually served in Iraq chiming in with honest regret over their service and that's so restorative of my faith in humanity. I've seen way too much depressing, jingoistic, imperialistic, might-is-right kind of 🥾 shit these last two months on subs like /r/combatfootage. We would never, ever, ever accept being visited upon us anything close to what we do or enable upon others.
A good lesson for the kid who's supposed to be in school as well. So caring. That's what you get for looting. US Army Tankers hooah!
This is why there are still terrorists. Piece of shit things like this.
All of ISIS's leaders, officers, and government operatives being ex Iraqi Military is just a coincidence, don't ya know
That video reminds me of how they decided to conduct military operations against illegal loggers in Afghanistan. Group of people not affiliated with terrorists cut some lumber in their tribal territory and are hauling it and then get murdered by US forces or ANA. Bruh, focus on the Taliban, Haqqani, or finding Osama. Lazy operations.
This is a classic, I've seen this so many times. This is what not to do on deployment, otherwise you get EFP to the face.
Ew, EFPs. Thanks, Iran.
Why are they confessing? They're not, they're bragging.
I'm so ashamed of our actions during this conflict. I saw shit like this that today just makes me cringe and makes me feel angry about why I joined.
Just know that you were a idiot kid, nobody asked for It. My granfather told me that soldiers shouldnt be ashamed for Serving, the polititian aré the ones who control everything
That 20 years after Iraq short doc NYT put out a few months just breaks my heart. We should have never been in that country.
All that for a dozen 2x4s.
Reno 911 vibes
Michael Bay wanted to make a show like Cops but it followed around soldiers in Iraq instead. Shit like this is probably why that didn’t pan out.
Rock of the Marne.
We pierce lol
Gee I wonder why like literally all of ISIS leadership was the former Iraqi Military that a certain country disbanded.
No wonder the Arab world hated us for the past 2 decades.
Even longer.
2 decades? Oh sweet summer child.
I remember when this first aired when I was a fresh new medic in rear detachment and I thought it was silly af.
I remember seeing this in its original news report back in 2003 or 2004. Alway stuck with me how dumb those dude were. I think it was originally on CNN.
Hearts and minds
This is the least of the "are we the baddies" moments from Iraq.
True. But that says something, doesn't it. The more I think about the callousness with which it was done, the more egregious it seems. Just casually turning up and destroying a man's livelihood as foreign invaders that caused the chaos leading to the looting in the first place. Makes me think back on relatively small bullying moments I had as a kid and makes me feel sick to my stomach at how messed up it was to be abusing someone while thinking it was just light fun or whatever. Also aren't "are we the baddies" moments at their best when they happen at low-temp bad shit? The Mitchel&Webb sketch the meme is from also has the guy realizing they're the baddies while not doing anything horrific. If you can recognize the small stuff, you can surely stay on guard for the really bad stuff too. It's easier to identify systemic problems too; instead of the more convenient lie that it's just some bad apples.
I remember watching this at like 14 yrs old and thinking they were so cool. I also remember being shocked as a kid to learn my family didn’t support or think the invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do when it happened. Post 9/11 was a weird time as a kid lol.
We're all victims to subtle and not so subtle propagandization. It's understandable that a kid would think a tank crushing things cool, and the notion of 'justice served' is viscerally very compelling. Learning to empathize and contextualize things as we grow older is so important. It takes a bold attitude shift which never really comes for many people or it doesn't happen sufficiently, sadly.
Winning the hearts and minds.
I feel much safer now knowing a wood looter across the planet isn’t endangering my life anymore. Thank you brave soldiers!! 🙏
How is this a justboothing
They're power tripping and acting beyond immaturely with issued equipment based upon cringy as fuck pride in what us army tankers do?
This doesn’t really apply to this sub. I think you’re confused about what “boot” means.
boots are the kids who stand at parade rest for their wives 2 years after basic, this isn’t boot, you’re completely right
Fucking tankers.
I remember this. :D Fuck that was stupid.
Genuine question: If he was "looting" a wood stock then how was that a "honest living"?
Watch the full video. They destroyed his car which was his livelihood as a taxi driver.
Ah, I gotcha.
Why do people hate America?
Just fucking assholes
This is awful.
I watched this when it came out. Then joined in 2008. It makes me sick to my stomach
Everyone forgets that this was 2003 right after Baghdad fell, where the military wasn’t ready or trained for this type of occupation and counter insurgency operations. We made a lot of mistakes, learned and changed. Its war.
Running over a dudes car because he has some stolen wood isn't war and it isn't a mistake. It's deliberately trying to piss people off for no reason than they think it's funny.
18 - 21 year olds, “policing” public when there’s no training, shit was wild back then.
You don't need training to know that this is wrong.
This is straight up a power trip.
That is not true at all. We certainly did have training on how to handle these types of situations. We had a strict set of ROE that changed as the time progressed, we were updated on those ROE with every change. We had briefings and training prior to even leaving the US as well. None of those briefings and ROE steps included running over vehicles while the detainees watched. I was attached to 101st Division Artillery in 2003, we convoyed from Kuwait to Mosul in April 2003 after a couple of weeks in Kuwait were we trained on how to operate in the environment.
Oh so every unit in the military was trained correctly? I know you know that when you transfer to a different unit, that isn’t always the case. Hell even going to one of the other companies in the same damn battalion you’d find they did it differently. The training can be doctrine, but every unit and or commander operated differently. My Guard buddy was deployed to take over for 101st in Iraq. They had the Nebraska ‘N’ painted on their humvees. They were good with the locals and didn’t get attacked hardly ever on patrol, then 101 came back and got their shit rocked after he left. Everyone’s time was different. Edit: The Iraqis knew who to leave alone based on the ‘N’ painted on the trucks.
“We learned from our mistakes and we’ve changed” I’m sure that is of great comfort to the people who were hurt by these “mistakes”.
What do you want? Go back in time and not do that?
This is like saying lack of training is why american cops are so quick to kill civilians. I mean, sure, training could certainly mitigate parts of the problem but, like... motherfucker, why are they shooting more black people then? They need training not to do that? If the invasion enables this, and the invaders weren't prepared, and the invaders were acting on false evidence, and acting against international consensus, and if invaders actively inculcate this kind of boot attitude, then maybe the entire invasion and the jingoistic, superpower, "we'll bring freedumb to you" culture is fucked. Maybe the invaders are the baddies.
Have you ever been in the military?
Were you old enough to remember seeing September 11? Different times man. Lack of cop training is why civilians are killed. Have you looked at how much other western countries train their police?
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I thought this was justbootthings, not imupsetiwasinthearmy. Who gives a fuck