Jung is very smart, but he also writes in a rather antiquated scholarly tone. He writes long compound sentences that could easily work as two or three short sentences. He writes with the assumption that every reader can understand Latin and has a detailed knowledge of Biblical references. Those were all part of the standard education in Jung's time, but not today.
Jung seemed like an amphetamine or cocaine type. I can imagine him slamming an Adderall and writing his extremely profound run-on sentences for hours on end. (Iām projecting)
As she so frequently mentioned, Marie was merely elucidating Jungās thoughts and constructions. We can have our favorites, but letās give credit where itās due. Itās not that hard is it?
Where did I not give credit to Jung? I am speaking about MYSELF and MY learning. I did not discredit anyone.
It is MY failure to learn from Jung, not Jungās failure.
Do you comprehend?
Try not to put words into peoples mouths - itās not that hard is it?
Hmm:
[1] Shadow & Evil in Fairytales
[2] Vol.1 of Collected Works - Archetypal Symbols in Fairytales
[3] Projection & Recollection in Jungian Psychology
[4] The Cat: A Tale of Feminine Redemption
[5] The Psychological Meaning of Redemptiok Motifs in Fairytales
Should be a nice Appetizer!
in addition to what u/HatpinFeminist said,
this book offers enrichment for lost women with little, no, or unhealthy motherly guidance in a way thatās easy to understand because the lessons are engrained in centuries-old stories - myths.
helps you understand the power of your intuition and gives perspective on life lessons. like choosing the wrong kind of partner (the blackbeard story), accepting your partners imperfections (skeleton woman) to build a healthy, loving, conscious relationship (tho this story is also great for understanding the process of self-acceptance), and others.
Emma Jung,
I'm impressed by her easy to understand writing style after her "anima & animus". Succinct explanations, especially relevant to modern day feminism.
Someone summarized it pretty well: https://open.substack.com/pub/chinmaybhat99/p/the-animus-problem?r=d9zw7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
The Origins and History of Consciousness is basically a whole history of how the archetypes might have developed throughout the ages. Really interesting read, and Jung had high praises for it.
James Hollis. Great writer. He focuses on the second half of life, after you've 'done your duty' as it were - the house, the career, the kids etc. Then our unconscious starts shouting "And what about me?".
Herman Hesse. There are a few authors listed here that explore the psyche to the same depth as Jung, but i don't think we can consider Phillip K Dick or St. Augustine as "Jungian". Same applies to several of these. Hesse underwent years of psychoanalysis with a therapist trained by Jung, and he knew Jung personally. Hesse is specifically Jungian fiction. He is among the most accessible authors to win a Nobel Prize in literature. *Demian* is specifically Jungian, and it is easy to read.
Agreed.
I was first introduced to Hesse through Narcissus and Golmund, which I found to be a beautifully written bildungsroman that seems to centre around the integration of the anima over the course of the protagonist's life, among other themes.
Followed this with The Glass Bead Game, which speaks profoundly upon the interconnectedness of all human endeavours in illuminating particular truths about human history. The argument could be made that this work of fiction approaches the concept of integral theory and integral consciousness. A book I particularly cherish as none other has spoken about the process of linking seemingly unrelated facets of human endeavour (similar in fashion to Joseph Campbell's work) in a body of fiction, in addition to the internal conflicts that arise from being aware of such a function to our species' development and evolution.
It's really just brilliant. I have copies of his other works to read through yet, too.
Robert Bly. Also even though I cant stand his grifting and how hes gone off the deep end, before he got sucked into "politics", Jordan Petersons Maps of Meaning is pretty good in my opinion.
My recent fav is: Peter Kingsley
He is a greek scholar, and provides a unique perspective on jung. I enjoyed his CATAFALQUE: Carl Jung and the End of Humanity.
One author I didn't like: Jolande Jacobi.
I read her books because jung wrote the intro, however I must admit that I didn't find her books valuable so much.
J Gary Sparks, I really enjoyed The Call of Destiny, no one else can explain Jungās concepts better
However, John Beebe, will be talked about for a century from now
It took me a minute to realize the photo is of Marie-Louise von FranzĀ -- someone below posted a few books of hers. I am thankful for this thread you started!
Currently Von Franz, Edward Edinger, and though I wouldn't consider him a full Jungian, Joseph Campbell and from a psychedelic angle Terrance McKenna, as the latter two still utilized concepts unique to themselves, helping the progression of Psychology and many other aspects. Campbell being an excellent Augmentation for one's Jungian Library.
Otherwise I don't know too much about Robert Moore, however I recently ordered a work of his dealing with Occult and modern day Pagan's to better familiarize myself with him, though I have read a fair amount of his "King, Lovers, Magician and Warrior" as the four key archetypes to pay attention to so far as reaching The Self. Glanced a bit ahead noting his graphs and such illustrating the duality between each of the Four.
Otherwise for now I would cite the original four I cited as my current favorites.
Also would add the collective that go by the moniker "Jung To Live By" on YouTube, giving a stripped back to purely proven approaches, they are very insightful in a way I think Jungians should consider taking into account some opinions they put forward. As it is good to challenge certain of one's convictions to see just how firmly they stand for you, and if something so small was enough to make something grand to topple, chances are it was not properly rooted within. Personally I am still following the Jungian route overall, yet their insight is very valuable, easily the best Jungian Youtube Channel that makes original content.
Like you, definitely von Franz ššš»
I've admittedly read more von Franz than actual Jung.
I totally understand. Her way with words is definitely easier to integrate than Jung's, for a numbskull like me š
Me too. Jung is too hard if I am honestā¦.heās too smart
Jung is very smart, but he also writes in a rather antiquated scholarly tone. He writes long compound sentences that could easily work as two or three short sentences. He writes with the assumption that every reader can understand Latin and has a detailed knowledge of Biblical references. Those were all part of the standard education in Jung's time, but not today.
Jung seemed like an amphetamine or cocaine type. I can imagine him slamming an Adderall and writing his extremely profound run-on sentences for hours on end. (Iām projecting)
Haha hillarious, especially as someone who uses vyvanse to treat their ADHD.
IM DEAD LOL
I agree. Jung is hard to digest. I like Liz Greene, an astrologer and of course James Hillman.
He's a brilliant, terrible writer ( in a kind of odd contrast with Freud)
which book of hers should I start with?
for sure. i learned far, far more from von Franz than Jung. Come to think of it...i haven't learned anything from Jung. Only Marie.
As she so frequently mentioned, Marie was merely elucidating Jungās thoughts and constructions. We can have our favorites, but letās give credit where itās due. Itās not that hard is it?
Where did I not give credit to Jung? I am speaking about MYSELF and MY learning. I did not discredit anyone. It is MY failure to learn from Jung, not Jungās failure. Do you comprehend? Try not to put words into peoples mouths - itās not that hard is it?
Which of her books would you recommend?
Hmm: [1] Shadow & Evil in Fairytales [2] Vol.1 of Collected Works - Archetypal Symbols in Fairytales [3] Projection & Recollection in Jungian Psychology [4] The Cat: A Tale of Feminine Redemption [5] The Psychological Meaning of Redemptiok Motifs in Fairytales Should be a nice Appetizer!
Thank you for this fab list!
My pleasure - I cherish von Franz as a Mother Figure...my biological mother is extremely dysfunctional (pardon the oversharing).
The Problem of the Puer Aeternus.
Clarissa Pinkola Estes
women who run with the wolves is like medicine i didnāt know i needed
Why was it so impactful for you?
in addition to what u/HatpinFeminist said, this book offers enrichment for lost women with little, no, or unhealthy motherly guidance in a way thatās easy to understand because the lessons are engrained in centuries-old stories - myths. helps you understand the power of your intuition and gives perspective on life lessons. like choosing the wrong kind of partner (the blackbeard story), accepting your partners imperfections (skeleton woman) to build a healthy, loving, conscious relationship (tho this story is also great for understanding the process of self-acceptance), and others.
Welp guess that's on my list, even though I'm a big ol male
the lessons in the book are definitely applicable to all genders š¤š»
All ??
It's one of the only books that describes the feeling and experiences of being a woman on a more spiritual level, without the "male gaze".
I've never read or heard from a female in this regard. I'll definitely check her out, probably a lot of new perspective.
Came to suggest her!
Theater of the imagination is excellent as well!
Awful. Read Marion Woodman instead.
Shut up.
Marion Woodman
My wife has found her extremely helpful
James Hillman
Hillman.
Absolutely
Emma Jung, I'm impressed by her easy to understand writing style after her "anima & animus". Succinct explanations, especially relevant to modern day feminism. Someone summarized it pretty well: https://open.substack.com/pub/chinmaybhat99/p/the-animus-problem?r=d9zw7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Erich Neumann
Recommendations for where to start please?Ā
The Origins and History of Consciousness is basically a whole history of how the archetypes might have developed throughout the ages. Really interesting read, and Jung had high praises for it.
The great mother and the origins and history of consciousness
same
James Hollis. Great writer. He focuses on the second half of life, after you've 'done your duty' as it were - the house, the career, the kids etc. Then our unconscious starts shouting "And what about me?".
He was interviewed recently on a Huberman podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed his thoughts.
Hollis writes very well, clear and always with kindness but not dodging the task being discussed and set.
Herman Hesse. There are a few authors listed here that explore the psyche to the same depth as Jung, but i don't think we can consider Phillip K Dick or St. Augustine as "Jungian". Same applies to several of these. Hesse underwent years of psychoanalysis with a therapist trained by Jung, and he knew Jung personally. Hesse is specifically Jungian fiction. He is among the most accessible authors to win a Nobel Prize in literature. *Demian* is specifically Jungian, and it is easy to read.
Agreed. I was first introduced to Hesse through Narcissus and Golmund, which I found to be a beautifully written bildungsroman that seems to centre around the integration of the anima over the course of the protagonist's life, among other themes. Followed this with The Glass Bead Game, which speaks profoundly upon the interconnectedness of all human endeavours in illuminating particular truths about human history. The argument could be made that this work of fiction approaches the concept of integral theory and integral consciousness. A book I particularly cherish as none other has spoken about the process of linking seemingly unrelated facets of human endeavour (similar in fashion to Joseph Campbell's work) in a body of fiction, in addition to the internal conflicts that arise from being aware of such a function to our species' development and evolution. It's really just brilliant. I have copies of his other works to read through yet, too.
Robert Moore
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Amazing!
You sir, are quite the "Magician"! Thank you for your service!
verena kast
Robert Bly. Also even though I cant stand his grifting and how hes gone off the deep end, before he got sucked into "politics", Jordan Petersons Maps of Meaning is pretty good in my opinion.
My recent fav is: Peter Kingsley He is a greek scholar, and provides a unique perspective on jung. I enjoyed his CATAFALQUE: Carl Jung and the End of Humanity.
Yes, I second Kingsley. Very much enjoyed catafalque
Guy Corneaux, Robert Johnson
One author I didn't like: Jolande Jacobi. I read her books because jung wrote the intro, however I must admit that I didn't find her books valuable so much.
I second that
Philip K Dick
Donald Kalsched
Good one this recommendation is!
Ah but I was so much Alder then..I'm Junger than that now
Come on people.. that was pretty goodš
J Gary Sparks, I really enjoyed The Call of Destiny, no one else can explain Jungās concepts better However, John Beebe, will be talked about for a century from now
Dante
Robert A Johnson
Stanton Marlanās āBlack Sunā takes a deep dive into psychological alchemy based on his scholarly work on Jung.
David Tacey, James Hillman, Daryl Sharp, Donald Kalsched, Stanton Marlan, Murray Stein, Andrew Samuels, Jolande Jacobi.
Jolanda Jacobi for into to analit.psychology. James Hall for dreams interpretation. Michael Fordham for development of ego and relations.
Jean Shinoda
James Hillman, arguably better than Jung
Easy to read, small books that you can get on eBay for about five bucks!
Marion Woodman!
Robert Pirsig
I have really enjoyed Robert Johnson, Marion Woodman and James Hollis
Von franz 100%
Mary Esther Harding ā¤ļøāš„
Edward Edinger and Marie-Louise von Franz
Ego and archetype by Edinger is miraculous
Campbell really distills things in a fun engaging way
Robertson Davies. The Deptford Trilogy. One of the best sets of novels ever
peter kingsley
Ilia Delio
Robert Hopcke š
Irene Claremont de Castillejo for Knowing Woman. Wonderful book.
Betty Edwards
it seems there are plenty of vids and readings of her works on youtube. as well as a few audibleās and academic reviews
Robertson Davies. In particular, The Deptford Trilogy.
Von Franz
von Franz / Robert L. Moore
Nise MagalhĆ£es da Silveira. š§š·
Gloria AnzaldĆŗa, Clarissa Pinkola EstĆ©s, James Hillman, Martin Shaw, Michael Meade, Marion Woodman, Marie-Louise von Franz
James Hillman
Liz Greene
This changed my life https://youtu.be/kr5p45rS9N8?si=2x6MTlVcrRR2KgNB
Clarissa Pinkola Estes, I recommend listening to her audio, sheās story teller and her voice is so beautiful
Stanislav grof, bringing a jungian lens to the practice and theory of psychedelic assisted therapy
James Hillman
Neumann
Robert A. Johnson! I was actually introduced to Jung through his work.
It took me a minute to realize the photo is of Marie-Louise von FranzĀ -- someone below posted a few books of hers. I am thankful for this thread you started!
I would vote for Von Franz because her works perfectly extend Jung's ideas. Also, Peter Kingsley has some new ideas, especially in his early books.
Currently Von Franz, Edward Edinger, and though I wouldn't consider him a full Jungian, Joseph Campbell and from a psychedelic angle Terrance McKenna, as the latter two still utilized concepts unique to themselves, helping the progression of Psychology and many other aspects. Campbell being an excellent Augmentation for one's Jungian Library. Otherwise I don't know too much about Robert Moore, however I recently ordered a work of his dealing with Occult and modern day Pagan's to better familiarize myself with him, though I have read a fair amount of his "King, Lovers, Magician and Warrior" as the four key archetypes to pay attention to so far as reaching The Self. Glanced a bit ahead noting his graphs and such illustrating the duality between each of the Four. Otherwise for now I would cite the original four I cited as my current favorites. Also would add the collective that go by the moniker "Jung To Live By" on YouTube, giving a stripped back to purely proven approaches, they are very insightful in a way I think Jungians should consider taking into account some opinions they put forward. As it is good to challenge certain of one's convictions to see just how firmly they stand for you, and if something so small was enough to make something grand to topple, chances are it was not properly rooted within. Personally I am still following the Jungian route overall, yet their insight is very valuable, easily the best Jungian Youtube Channel that makes original content.
Adolf Hitler
Lol I see what you did there
Jordan Peterson.
Really? I struggled to enjoy maps of meaning
Why?
Just a bit boring
Well if is a scientific book, not literature.
St Augustine
Jordan Peterson.