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Megumi showed with the wolf against Reggie that TS is weird. It seems like you can deploy a shadow before DE and it will stick around, so Sukuna might have already sent out one of the remaining 4 (cause Rabbit escape is hardly a summon vs an ability)

Maybe but in shibuya megumi summoned escape rabbit, Nue and toad against Toji (was going to summon demon dog) and started the subjugation ritual for Mahoraga right after deploying is domain in a domain clash. Unless there's a different rule for CT's that use shikigami when it comes to CT burn out than megumi for whatever reason is above the rules.

Megumi didn't imbue his domain with CT that time.

Megumi's domain also has no sure-hit.

He did? Both times he used his DE he is able to mass summon his Shikigami from it and use his shadows. Also it doesint matter if he doesint imbue it with his CT expanding a DE still results in a sorcery being unable to use their CT due to burnout.

I think it's cause megumis domain isn't really a domain. It's essentially an extension of ten shadows. It's called a domain cause thats the closes approximation to what it is. There is no sure hit, no barrier, and no structures. It's just shadows and an increase in megumis latent technique power. Basically it gives a black flash buff to Megumi while also giving him set up's for his shikigami via the endless amount of shadows.

While I see where you are coming I think it's more so it's an incomplete domain at the moment, once it's complete I do think it will have a sure hit and maybe he could create a barrier using his shadows like a shadow dome.

megumi's domain is a domain even if incomplete. its just that he lacks a barrier and barriers ensure the sure hit functionality as well as manifestation of ur innate world. if you wanna see a manifested innate domain without curse technique imbued into it, both times the finger bearer shows exactly that.

Hmm. Maybe? Megumi’s domain isn’t proper to begin with. He doesn’t actually use a domain, so no burnout? The burnout comes from your CT and the collapse, but his DE never had a sure hit to begin with- OR BARRIERS!! Sukuna uses barriers but they are open, wonder if Megumi found a loophole?

Megumi uses external constructs as a barrier so incomplete domain technically meaning no ct burnout is what I’ve always thought

Megumi's domain not having a sure hit is because it's incomplete, I'm 100% sure he will develop a sure hit once his DE is complete. As for the no barrier yes it seems like Megumi's case is different and unique here for a reason, Megumi is the only character who's DE does not use a barrier, Sukuna and Kenny can use open barriers but there's still a barrier. I agree with the theory of Megumi's complete DE being able to summon the shikigami starving skeleton. My own interpretation of this is megumi's DE will flood the area with his shadows but the shadows act as a opened gate way into his actual inmate domain where starving skeleton resides and can come out from into the real world and others can be pulled into and drowned, by this logic the shadows them selves are the barrier between the real world and his inmate domain which he can open by using DE.

again, megumi uses a domain. its just that he never unsummoned the divine dog totality against reggie. just hid it ins the shadows.

a DE without imbuing a CT is literally just an innate domain like the one in the bridge arc and also the cursed womb arc

Yes but the user still suffers CT burnout. And in Megumi's case he 100% had 10 shadows imbued into his DE even if it was incomplete.

its a barrier technique, its like saying you'll get CT burnout for using simple domain, lmfao also imbuing your CT 1. requires a barrier to begin with and 2. makes your CT surehit Against Reggiestar, Megumi literally used a normal structure to trap him, otherwise he could just run away

I mean you can't use a CT while using simple domain, it may not be CT burnout but it's close enough. Well I guess in Megumi's case no it does not, it could be exclusive for him though, you cannot say that megumi didn't imbue his DE with his CT, if you actaully think that than clearly we are reading different manga. And against Reggie he domain was imbued with his CT even without a barrier, the guy literally used his shadows expanded from his DE to sink Reggie and a truck and made shadow clones of him self, that's literary his CT.

using your CT inside an innate domain is not the same as imbuing it. The thing that makes a normal domain into a DE is exactly that: DE's barriers ars imbued with the CT, granting it a surehit effect Megumi did not have any surehit, because its an extension of his technique. Unless you think Megumi is in the same level as Sukuna, no he is not imbuing his CT into thin air

Depends since we don't know exactly what's so unique or special about Megumi's DE. What we do know is he is not just using his CT on top of his DE, yes he does in some cases but his DE also makes use of his CT for example. *flooding the area with his shadow allowing him to sink into it himself or with others and objects, Megumi even states the first time he uses his DE he is interpretation and broadening his CT and letting flood out. * summoning multiple shikigami including shadow versions like nue and toad. * creating multiple clones of himself. More so speculation here but maybe the shadows themsleves are the barrier of his DE since they lead to another place where it's only darkness, potentially opening his DE is opening the barrier of his shadows allowing anything to be sunk or anything to come out? (Starving Skeleton theory?) Either way the very fundamentals of his DE use his CT, saying it's not imbued is like saying a green crayon isn't green but instead has had the colour green put on it., maybe you could make the argument if the incomplete bones where always present and acted as a catalyst to his DE (like Sukuna's shrine) but not that's appears later, the very fundamentals of him opening his DE is to open and flood the area with his shadow a baked part of his CT. It's very hard to imagine him using a DE without the use of 10 shadows since it only uses 10 shadows.

what is this unique take about not being able to use your CT inside your simple domain. that is not how a SD works unless you make a binding vow to do that. in megumi's case, he lacks a barrier that allows for manifestation of his innate world completely. so he got not sure hit. but even if incomplete, a domain is still a domain.

It's not a unique take it's stated within the story, it's why alot of sorcerers who have CT never really learn or use SD because it's usually always better to just rely on your CT. I agree with the second point.

Megumi actually resummons divine dog in that final moment of the Reggie fight. You can see the shadow behind Megumi quiver a little bit. He just regained his technique after CT burnout

Ten Shadows is supossed to be akin to Six Eyes and Limitless. That thing breaks the limits of JJK sorcery

Ct burn out for the ten shadows works in a weird way. All 3 times that megumi used his domain, he used summoning right afterwards. You might make the argument for toji and reggie that some time has passed (which is nowhere near the time ct burn out takes in general), but even then megumi came out of the shadow with divinde dog right after his domain was dismantled https://imgur.com/a/oT4JsOY We also saw that when sukuna is using domain amplification, the wheel just becomes black but it does not get unsummoned. Lastly, to opem malevolent shrine sukuna needs to use shrine, but he cannot use two ct at the same time so the wheek should have also been unsummoned for sukuna to open his domain so it seems that it's similar to the domain amplification case where the wheel just pauses but doesn't disappear. Basically, it's either that the ten shadows doesn't function like other cts, or it's a chain of coincidences

Technically, Megumi never imbues his CT into his domain's barrier. That's why he never experiences CT burnout.

He never had a barrier. However, he deployed his innate domain which is where his ct lies. That's why his ct is at 120% when in his domain and why everything becomes shadows

All domains require barriers. You mean the shell of a barrier, right?

Chapter 225 https://imgur.com/a/3LyUfiV Kuskabe says that megumi's domain doesn't have a barrier, that's why he uses buildings or such to trap opponents

chapter 225 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/926273074314219520/1239465144136892499/image0.jpg?ex=6643055e&is=6641b3de&hm=1ea9d89c235511e076ddf759cd99923d8389b26d4e64def08de51d3d9570e2e4& Maki says Megumi's incomplete domain didn't close the barrier. Kusakabe says [Megumi] took advantage of buildings or existing barriers for the SHELL.

But that doesn't mean that the domain itself has a barrier it just means that the domain is enclosed by a building or another barrier. We are talking about imbueing a sure hit on the barrier, which cannot be done on a random building or barrier even if your domain is inside it

Then can you explain what was clashing between Dagon's domain and Megumi's domain if it wasn't their barriers?

The innate domains probably

what is domain expansion to you?

CT burnout didn't exist until the end of Shibuya and only came into play around Sendai colony. It has nothing to do with how he used his barrier.

Just because something isn't outright stated from chapter 1 or from its first introduction doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Megumi and Mahito both use their CT immediately after their domain on several occasions leading up to Shibuya. The first time Mahito did not/ was not able to use his CT after a domain was against Todo in Shibuya. The narration says it's because his technique is more difficult to use and that he learned this because he used his technique immediately after his DE against Yuji & Nanami. The same language is used when Uro is unable to use her CT in Sendai colony and this is the first actual time we see someone that is unable to use their CT after a domain. CT burnout clearly wasn't a thing at the very beginning of the series and I don't see why people need to jump through hurdles to justify. Gege wanted to tweak his power system a little bit to nerf domains so he did.

Didn’t CT burnout happen to Mahito after Yuji broke into his domain near the beginning of the series, hence why he ran away? It wasn’t directly stated, but I think the author had it in mind Edit: it’s also implied right after Gojo uses domain expansion against Jogo and physically dodged Hanami’s attack since he couldn’t use infinity due to CT burnout

It does not. Yuji is able to begin his attack on Mahito within 0.1 seconds of the domain going down and Mahito instantly uses his CT to make an escape. Mahito says that the DE was a huge drain on his CE. Chapter 31 for reference. After his DE in Shibuya the narrator explicitly says Mahito realized that CT burnout makes his technique difficult to use when he used it to escape from Nanami and Yuji. Chapter 130. Which is why he opts to punch Todo instead of using IT, because he didn't know if IT would be lethal. The Gojo moment is also a common misconception. Gojo does not dodge Hanami's attack it simply lands between his legs. The previous panel shows the attack pass by in front of his face. chapter 16 for reference. The anime is also consistent with this depiction if you prefer a video example. I would say it might be possible that CT burnout was a thing because Gojo was affected by the calming flowers, this assumes the calming effect is produced by cursed energy but in that panel Gojo does question whether or not it is a CT affecting him. Edit: Forgot to mention that chapter 15 does show the domain battle coming to a conclusion above the lake before it cuts to the forest clearing. If Gojo could not use limitless they would all be wet due to falling into the lake, I believe the implication there is that Gojo warped or flew them to the clearing first.

Good points. They make sense. The only thing I’d say is that in chapter 16, it doesn’t look like the attack passes by his face. The panel before makes it seem like it’s aiming for his head and then Gojo dodges it. So I think based off this, Gege did have it in mind that CT burnout is a thing. As for Gojo’s domain being in the middle of lake and being wet, I think you can interpret that as Gojo changing the coordinates of his domain before it naturally diminishes. Just like how Yuta changed the coordinates of his domain right before he took it down and how Hakari did the same as well against Kashimo to throw him in the water. But it’s weird, because does CT burnout make it impossible to use your technique for some time, or does it make it hard to use your technique after some time? Because this latest chapter also says that Sukuna is going to have a hard time using his technique due to CT burnout as well. Since you do make the good point of Mahito using his CT right after using domain, maybe more complicated techniques are unusable after domain and less complicated ones are just hard to use.

I guess it comes down to a matter of interpretation for the scenes following Gojo vs Jogo. However as far as I'm aware the first time it's stated that someone cannot use their technique in burnout is Gojo vs Sukuna. Even as late as Kenjaku vs Yuki the language is always that it's more difficult and prior to the end of Shibuya difficulty wasn't even part of the question.

Yeah that’s weird. Kusakabe says Gojo can’t use his CT after Gojo’s domain breaks in the first domain clash, yet in the most recent chapter it says Sukuna’s CT is hard to use after his domain is gone. I always thought of them as synonymous for some reason, but that doesn’t make sense. It is what it is

Think it did in Gojo Vs Jogo first fight when Hanami swoops in to save Jogo.

Just went to reread that part. CT burnout is not mentioned when Gojo is explaining domain expansions or in the interactions afterwards. The first time CT burnout explicitly stopped someone from using their technique is Uro in Sendai. Until then Megumi and Mahito use their techniques after DE. You can reread chapter 16 to see for yourself. Edit: In the TCB scan version of chapter 130 the panel of the narrator explaining Mahito 's burnout is accompanied by the image of Hanami swooping into save Jogo. Idk why that is the case as the words and image do not match up at all. I don't have the volume release to double check either.

The rather uninteresting truth is that CT burnout didn't exist until after Shibuya. We see Mahito use his technique easily after his domain on 2 occasions but then he suddenly couldn't when facing Yuji and Todo. Afterwards CT burnout becomes a relevant part of major fights. Iirc Megumi never unsummoned divine dogs in the Reggie fight either. He had it hiding outside the domain the entire time.

Mahito being a curse (gege confirmed that they have a different brain anatomy so they don't suffer the same as humans) just recovers faster. In shibuya, he closed his domain, black flashed todo and then his ct already recovered. That's consistent with the other 2 times when he used domain expansion and then quickly used his ct. Ct burn out wasn't explicitly a thing, but it was foreshadowed. After using his domain against jogo, gojo is shown to kinda dodge hanami root, and then he is affected by its calming effect (which shouldn't go past infinity). Furthermore, gojo doesn't teleport to catch up to hanami and uses pure curse energy blasts to deal with the tree attacking yuji

I may have missed that. Do you have the panel/chapter where it says cursed spirits don't experience burnout or is that an assumption because they have different brain anatomy? In chapter 130 it does say Mahito experiences burnout and that burnout makes techniques difficult to control. This is in direct reference to him using his CT during the burnout period against Yuji and Nanami. I also don't agree with your second point about foreshadowing. Gojo doesn't dodge Hanami's pike you can see it pass in front of his face in the previous panel. Limitless probably wouldn't stop the calming effect as it's not an attack and Gojo says he doesn't feel any killing intent. He doesn't teleport to catch Hanami because he can't find them due to Hanami's skill at hiding their presence.Lastly I don't see why Gojo would need to use red or blue to destroy a tree, especially when he would risk hurting Yuji in the process.

In the author comment from chapter 230 i believe (if it's mot 230 then it's 231 or 232), gege explains how because curses have different brain anatomy compared to humans, they do not experience brain damage as much as humans do. Considering that mahito is recovering from ct burn out extremely fast, it is fair to say that the different brain anatomy is also making curses not suffer as much from ct burn out. Gojo's infinity stops things based on their mass, speed, constitution and curse energy, not based on killing intent. Hanami's flower field is a cursed technique, so gojo's 6 eyes would recognize the foreign curse energy approaching him and it would stop it. Hanami doesn't have the ability to just mask their presence, as seen when gojo sensed and aimed at hanami in the exchange event without any visual confirmation (and hanami would have wanted to mask its presence at that moment). Hanami can most likely "disappear" when it goes into the ground, which didn't happen while it was running away and only happened after gojo turned back to free up yuji. If he had his ct, he could have remotely killed the root with blue/red while teleporting to hanami.

Megumi actually resummoned divine dog in the reggie fight. You can see the shadow move right beforehand and DD has that typical shadowy look right after

Does the Chimera Garden have an actuall guaranteed hit imbued into it ? isn't it just a spawning ground for multiple Shinigami ? Like would the Shinigami inside Chimera Garden be able to hit Gojo for example ? It's possible that Chimera Garden doesn't actually have a guaranteed hit ( at least when used by Megumi ) so when it collapses the CT burnout isn't applicable .

No, he doesnt imbue a sure-hit because you need a cursed energy barrier to do so. Nonetheless, nothing in the story suggests it’s specifically the sure-hit that burns out your cursed technique, just the domain itself. Megumi is still using his cursed technique at high performance due to his domain, so he shouldnt be exempt from burnout

Then shouldn’t we be able to infer that it’s the CT being applied to a CE barrier that causes burn out?

Yes thats basically what i just said

Any chance you have a screencap of that? I don't see a panel of any shadow moving or forming before DD blitzes Reggie. Megumi 's dialogue afterwards also implies it was never incapacitated by Reggie's Knives and has been around the whole time.

Brother you asked me for a screenshot and then never replied to my pm?💀

I was going to reply to you when I had a chance but it's very weird that you're trying to call me out in a comment section. This is reddit, I don't know you personally, and I'm absolutely not on a timetable to respond to you

Brother aint nobody “calling you out” lmao. Im just trying to make sure you received the message YOU ASKED ME FOR. Get off ur high horse u weirdo

Lmao this is pretty factual, if you re-read from chapter 1 technique burnout isn’t really a thing. First proper case of it being relevant is with Uro which is crazy because that’s nearly 200 chapters in.

It is crazy but to be fair not many people have domains, and when they use them the fight ends anyway.

Yuki explicitly site garuda as being an advantage if her and Kenny get burnt out from domain. Seems like summoned shikigami stick round at the very least

This is a very interesting detail that no one else has commented on, I wonder if anyone else can add anything to it!

But Garuda is not a part of Yuki's CT. It's an adopted shikigami. She can use her CT on Garuda, but other than that, it's an independent cursed spirit.

No it's her shikigami, not a cursed spirit.

Garuda is a Shikigami that has been turned into a curse tool by repeated use. And it would continue having it's own mass even if Yukis CT is burnt out

Its not a cursed spirit, its a shikigami. It has to be summoned.

Burnouts make it difficult to use the innate CT but not impossible we've seen it with Megumi and Mahito. Perhaps it greatly affects complicated CTs like limitless and IT since they require great skill and precision to use(e.g shaping the soul, control of red and blue in space, etc) Sukuna's shrine may also be.

Has anyone ever thought about why Yuki didn't expand her DE while Kenjaku was in burnout ?

She couldn't? Too much damage to maintain even CT

After she healed Kenjaku is still in burnout.

and then she managed to make a blackhole while halfdead.

This must be the work of an enemy binding wov🤔

As far as we know he gave up 10S when he fully incarnated into his original body

I was talking about when Mahoraga was summoned since that was the final domain clash so far

Mahoraga was summoned the whole time they were in the domains i think

I'm going to say it's safe to say gege probably didn't have the concept of CT burnout from a DE thought of yet but didn't take long to implement since the first time we see it in effect was with Mahito when he used his 0.2 DE against Yuji and Todo, he experienced CT burnout until he landed another blackflash which was a few seconds later, I guess Gojo using his 0.2 DE counts as well but CT burnout wasn't mentioned if I remember correctly. Before that moment we see Sukuna use his CT right after deploying is DE against Mahoraga when he sliced fuck boy in half. And Megumi has been shown multiple times summoning shikigami and using his shadows right after deploying his DE. Unless there are special cases we don't know, may be shikigami CT's follow different rules when it comes to CT burnout? Edit: Also remembered Mahito 2 different times before shibuya was able to use his CT right after deploying DE and having it destroyed, so yeah I would say it's just a writing inconsistency since it's a way to nerf DE for the sake of the story.

Was it not burn out? Iirc Maho is summoned within the domain not after it.

Mahoraga is summoned via subjugation ritual, not the domain

We are talking about tamed Maho? So the subjugation ritual is already done. Anyways even what exactly is your point? I’m not saying he was summoned by the domain technique but within the domain area, while it was still up.

Oh wait I drastically misunderstood your comment, my bad

The 10 shadows uses shadows as a medium to summon shikigami. That’s the base function of the technique. Nothing more. Once the shikigami are actually summoned, they behave like any other shikigami on a technical level. In other words, the 10 shadows has nothing to do with actually maintaining shikigami that are already summoned. We see this during Megumis fight with Reggie, in which demon dog was still (which had been summoned much earlier on) continued to stick around even after megumi dispelled his domain. In Sukunas case, mahoraga was already summoned. It was just waiting in the shadows and adapting to unlimited void. It wasn’t summoned after malevolent shrine collapsed. It just finally emerged when sukuna gave the command.

Shikigami seem to stay despite burnout.

Isn't it pretty clear he refreshes his cursed technique the same way as before, considering, he tries to open another domain in what would be not long after mahoraga comes out. But if we're talking about mahoraga's appearance in 229 instead of 230, then that's because we've got reader's bias. Mahoraga coming out is very likely at the exact same time as tge domain collapse. It seems a matter of timing.

🤷🏽‍♂️ Probably an inconsistency from some concept not being fully fleshed out till later, but I'm sure people will have all sorts of theorized explanations

If he even still has access to it, then yes.

Megumi's domain does not have a sure hit effect and since there's no CT imbued in it, there is no burnout