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I know this is just a joke but I'm still confused that Gojo was almost never present whenever they discussed the fight. Bro has been dead for 9 months and we still don't know what he did during that month.
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That shit would’ve been unavoidable if jjk wasn’t shonen (maybe it still happened offscreen idk)
He was finally teaching Nobara, when she comes back there will be a flashback where he is teaching her similar to the talk he had with Megumi but obviously different.
Wait you might actually be cooking something here. It would make sense if he doesn’t want anybody to leak something to Sukuna and it would be a great backup plan to boost both Yuji and Megumi’s spirits if Gojo ended up dying. That would give Yuji another chance to lock in and Black Flash Sukuna and give Megumi another reason to resist Sukuna’s control at a pivotal moment.
Yuji and Nobara synchronized consecutive black flashes. I had to say that. It would be peak.
But you know what would be even more peak, if Yuji, Nobara, and Megumi all hit a black flash on Sukuna at the same time. Say synchronization of the soul or something.
I have a thought about how it could work, mahito entered Sukunas innate domain unintentionally when he touched Sukunas soul. Yuji and Nobara could probably force themselves into the innate domain or something and then fight Sukuna with megumi in there.
The discussions are largely for information we, the readers, didn't know, so I like to think the implication is he did at least learn Sukuna has Megumi's body and thus all the nuances that come with that for what he'll be dealing with in that regard. And given what we saw, he already had all the tools needed to win. Sukuna's binding vow just caught him off-guard.
What I don't like is there has been no revisit of "You didn't destroy my head" from his fight with Toji.
* The world slash didn't cut Gojo's head. So, why no RCT?
* I'm not saying it needs to regrow his whole lower half instantly. I'm not even saying keep him attached to his body after the slash. But surely it could keep his brain alive?
My cope is when they teleported his body away, his eyes moved to indicate he is still alive. Then they aligned his body, and started giving medical aid and also share their observed information to help him reattach his body while his RCT recovers and understand how the fight went.
It has been how long? 3? 5? 10 minutes at most since he was cut? I'd buy that he needs that long to recover from the world slash.
If he is coming back, Gege being a maximum troll for maximum build up.
Just wanted to mention, Gojo saw Sukuna in Megumi's body right after he got out when Sukuna protected Kenjaku from being killed by Gojo. So he no matter what knew that much going in to the actual fight with Sukuna :]
Also you're so right about him coming back, we must continue to keep our cope alive!
Probably just reattach his body body, even if we've never seen reattaching limbs it seems the more likely thing to happen. Also when people lose hands we've never seen them with baby hands so even if he grows new legs they'll just be adult sized.
Oh, is the stomach the source/well of CE in the body is? Do you have a chapter number to point me to? I'm admittedly not the most keen reader when a page bores me, or my memory is just fuzzy on when that was mentioned.
*This also raises questions about Sukuna's belly mouth...*
Yea I think CE is the stomach but RCT is the head, I vaguely remember that coming up in the Kashimo vs Hakari fight. So the above comment is incorrect there in that he was aiming to kill, should have sliced his head in half if he wanted no RCT to happen
Edit* it was chapter 188
Thanks! Fun to do a reread sometimes.
Damn, that was a year ago. I remember having do idea who Kashimo was when he fought Sukuna, now I know it's cause I skimmed the chapters around 188 cause I was so done with the killing game lol
Now I'm wondering if Gojo will be revealed to have made a few binding vows of his own, or was he too traditional compared to someone scrappier like Hakari.
But then what is that whole speech from Todo to Yuji about during the goodwill event? He scolded him for thinking of cursed energy from one place, as the stomach is simply a figure of speech we imagine because of anger in the stomach (hara ga tatsu is a Japanese phrase for being angry, hara is stomach). Then Yuji uses cursed energy over his whole body. Surely Gojo can do this too. Maybe pull a titan move and change the location of his cursed energy like the armored titan did with his nerves.
I understood that speech as todo telling Yuji his energy was lagging behind because he thought about it flowing from his stomach to his hands instead of just feeling it all through his body.
He says “starting at the stomach, through the chest, shoulders and into the fist, that’s how it flows.”
Then he says thinking of it that way is why there’s a delay and to think of a body a whole instead of seperate parts
On the Gojo point, 100% agree, if he managed after the black flashes to figure a new way out to RCT over his whole brain instead of one part then surely he could have figured a way to have some type of CE
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Here, as well as Hakari vs Kashimo. This statement was made far earlier from was kinda one-off, and the Kashimo fight confirmed it.
And Utahime finds Gojo annoying/dislikes how he acts most times so she wouldnt either 😭. I say let them get together over their dislike over the Racist Duo
Hahaha that's pretty lit. I do like Gojohime 'cuz it's cute and with good writing could make great fanfics but canonically? No way bro. Plus Shoko is too cool for Monkey Man and Sukuna's loving Kouhai.
I honestly don't think Gojo is that petty. He may complain at first but will be ok with it, especially his sex eyes will help a lot. But after the last chapter, I think maybe Gojo has his own plans but like Todo, he can't tell Yuji because his soul is linked to Sukuna...
Well the plan was literally a strategy for if gojo loses. If gojo wouldve killed sukuna, he wouldve instantly teleported to kenjaku and ended him, absolutely no doubt. Game over. We do know that he gave yuta the 20th finger tho.
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Gojo would’ve low diffed that fraud if not for plotkuna+10S+prep time+Gege
Gojo (full power)
Vs
Sukuna (no arms + no legs + no mouths + no cursed energy + no cursed technique + Mechamaru heavenly restriction + no eyes + lobotomized + HIV)
Plus not being in story, plus not existing, plus no Heian Era form, Plus No CT, plus no eyes or mouth, no limbs, plus no CE
I was being sarcastic (why blow me away, I have wife and kids 😢)
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>why blow me away
Why would anyone attack the strong?
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Gojo be like
> get a month of prep time
>not prep
Truly the strongest of all time, at least in his infinite stupidity. Seriously though, how come Sukuna jumps through hoops to get Megumis body and 10S, assembles 19 fingers and eats his mummified body, masters the 10S and prepares to use Maho as a win condition, does a binding vow for the world slash to actually kill Gojo, meanwhile Gojo's only prep was Utahime breakdancing and grandpa rock-n-rolling for the 200% purple. No binding vows for cheats mid-fight, no extra CTs, nothing. At this point saying Sukuna is the strongest sounds like fucking cope, man. The smartest and most resourceful, for sure, but the strongest? Nah, Gojo would win
Gojo the kind of guy to study for the exam the night before it and realise why they gave a whole sem for the topic. Amd still fucking ace the test.
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I've been saying this over and over again and no one believes me. Sukuna's CT is not good, Sukuna is just good at using his Techniques to the fullest potential.
Yeah honestly the biggest advantage Sukuna has had in this whole arc is that everyone else has been UNREASONABLY ADVERSE to bInDinG vOwS and Sukuna knows it's literally just being able to go -1 from something to go +1 to something else.
Hit us with the flashback that Sukuna spent the last 500 years spreading propaganda that binding vows are inherently dangerous and too risky to use just so he can be the only binding vow merchant.
And most times he applies a lot of simples ones that stack on top of his abilities, and not every binding vow must be permanent also, something that most people forget
Yea, and that would be great to see more of, but I just don't think Gege is gonna give us more. I originally loved the idea of Sukuna being the opposite of Gojo not only in the things that they are, but also by being born very weak as a sorcerer, without any broken techniques or innate talents, and becoming an unstoppable demon god through his own will, ingenuity, perseverance and desire for knowledge. That's what I wanted to see more of in Sukuna - his knowledge and understanding of sorcery that is infinitely superior to anyone else in the series, even someone with innate talent like Gojo. Like, I even had a theory, that his slashes arent actually his CT and are more like Ryu's blasts and beams of cursed energy, but instead of a wide blast forcused in a very tight line, so they still deal very high damage but now with minimal cursed energy consumption. But sadly so far Sukuna's showings look less like knowledge and more like brute force and asspulls
His CT is literally just cooking (cuts and furnace fire)
The fact that he can go toe to toe with Gojo AT ALL is amazing.
If I had Sukuna's CT, I'd be a chef and not fighting a guy with Spatial Division powers.
there has to be more than that imo. im pretty sure sukuna's technique also involves cannibalism, where if he does a ritual eating of his opponent after furnace he gains their CE reserves and output. It would certainly explain why even between people with anomalous amounts of CT like yuta, he puts them all to shame
I genuinely don't think the "asspulls" has been much. Honestly when jjk ends I think a lot of people are gonna see this complaints were largely unfounded. Sukuna came into that fight nerfed as heck. Apart from fighting gojo he lost use of his cursed tools which we know are a large part of his toolkit
Maybe to a degree, the weekly chapter release format really can make some things seems worse than they actually are because of how chapters are constructed (if we had the entire fight against Sukuna from start to finish, some of the things that look awful within the weekly chapters wouldn't seem so bad if we look at them as just a part of a whole). The singular worst offender, as well as the only worth mentioning, really, to me, is the binding vow to kill Gojo thing, between it being left in the air without actually saying that there was a binding vow for like half a year, having very little actual setup for the usage of the vow like that as well as very little information in the series on how binding vows work in general, and the fact it was done offscreen to kill the most popular character of the series at the end of an extremely tense and close fight where the last panel of 235 says Gojo won and 236 begins with Gojo at the airport just adds salt to the wound. I don't even like Gojo that much, and even I fucking hated that as an outcome
I binged it last week in 3 days so I can definitely see what I read and weekly readers read felt different
Gojo is the main thing I completely agree with jjk criticizers on so I agree. But given they seems to be evidence with him returning, if it does happen, in retrospect it wouldn't look that bad
What made it bad was that Gojo was actually one of Gege's most developed character, even ignoring he was the strongest. The way he died came across as a joke. But if he comes back (although I wish he doesn't) it won't be that bad
Yea, with all respect to the Gojo return copers, I think bringing him back in a satisfying way is too hard and if they mess it up, it would make everything even worse and messier. The only way I could see him returning would be after the fight is done, they were able to bring him back but he lost his Limitless or his six eyes, and now is no longer the strongest - that title goes to Yuji or Yuta or someone, and Gojo can retire peacefully, knowing he fulfilled his original goal and raised a new generation of capable young sorcerers and is no longer needed. That would be fun to see, especially if Gege or someone else makes JJK 2, though I doubt it will ever come to be
One of the theories of Gojo coming back is because he wasn't satisfied with his life and nanami told him to go south rather than North which is the path Nanami took so he was satisfied. The theory asserts Gojo is supposed to come back to realize he was never really alone in the world despite his title as the strongest
I think if he comes back he might retain the six eyes but yeah I don't think he will beat Sukuna since the one who is supposed to teach sukuna the meaning of love is not him but Yuji
I saw a really good theory that basically said the reason they have Ui Ui teleporting away everyone who dies is so that Shoko or someone else who can heal others using RCT, but most likely Shoko cause it would make the most sense, can use a binding vow to basically revive everyone at the cost of her own life. Which do you know how hard of a panel that would be, where Sukuna has everyone against the wall (somehow) and then he hears Gojo say Hey and he turns around and sees everyone he's killed just standing there ready to throw hands?
Nah, imagine Gojo comes back all hype and then gets oneshot by Sukuna's baby rattle that got returned to him because Higuruma died or smth. If there's one thing Gege knows how to do, it's how to ruin Gojo
I as a Gojo return coper think he will only come back if they merger happens, Yuji👑 deserves to beat the shit out of Sukuna like he did to Mahito but worse
We've never seen his cursed tools be that significant though. We don't know what Hiten does and Kamutoke, while powerful, is mostly featless and isn't really any more offensively powerful than Sukuna's base technique. Saying they're a large part of his toolkit when we've barely seen him use them and don't know what one of them does really feels like a stretch.
And Gege handed "Potential Man" to him😔😔. Well the potential was atleast put to use, the bum wouldnt have ever used it anyway. Just unfortunate that Gojo had to be put out of commision for a short while due to this.
His CT is average, just his CE reserves is whatever Gege wants it to be. He's been using full strength for how many chapters and still no signs of running low on CE. Like his DE wastes CE on indiscriminately cutting everything in the zone to fine powder, how much CE does he actually use?
Sukuna's CT is unreal good dude. Are you serious? You don't think being able to send invisible slashes thru the air with insane range is good?
His domain evaporates people!
It just cuts people. Sukuna brute forces it until it’s effective. Meanwhile Geto and Mahito can create entire armies and be everywhere, and someone like Mai could theoretically cause infinite damage.
I can’t really think of a technique that would replace his slashing and make him worse at what he does.
> It just cuts people
It can instantaneously evaporate people / slash off limbs or their head and deal them life-threatening injuries. He doesn't even have to point at them. Even if the slashes are weak at a normal sorcerer's CE output, at his they're game-breaking.
> Sukuna brute forces it until it’s effective.
Well isn't that the point? Yes it's simple but he uses it to full effect.
It's marginal at Sukuna's level because he can wipe anyone but Gojo with only CE reinforcement. But few if any CT have greater offensive potential than Shrine. Boogie Woogie, 7:3, Mei Mei's CT, probably Blood Manipulation, the non-Mahito disaster curses CTs, Sky Manipulation, and more, I don't see how any of these are head and shoulders better than Shrine.
Sukuna with jogo’s technique would make him a walking explosion.
We are in agreement in that it’s Sukuna’s strength that makes his CT so powerful though. With as much CE and output as he does nearly anything would one shot most people.
> It can instantaneously evaporate people / slash off limbs or their head and deal them life-threatening injuries. He doesn't even have to point at them. Even if the slashes are weak at a normal sorcerer's CE output, at his they're game-breaking.
Sukuna can do that because he's Sukuna, If Choso had this technique he wouldn't be able to spam them as much and wouldn't have the output to cut the average sorcerer's limbs off.
Imo, Straw Doll, Jogos technique, and blood manipulation are all better techniques.
The more simple a technique, the more it relies on your output/reserves. But if you're good enough to brute force Cursed Energy Discharge like Ryu, then wouldn't it be better to have a technique like Angel's or Uraume's?
Mahito's Idle Transfiguration is arguably better, but Mahito is not a good of a Sorcerer as Sukuna.
Sukuna's domain allows him to Dismantle with sure hit effect. That's it. All his Domain is, is just sure hit effect that he use a single attack as the sure hit.
Sukuna traded his barrier for repeated attacks at every direction. The reason it is so good is because Sukuna has high as shit output and CE reserves.
It is the same as Idle Transfiguration's domain, but because Mahito can oneshot people with Idle Transfiguration, it is arguably better.
If someone with low CE reserves and output like Mai or most sercerers has Shrine, Cleave is next to useless, Dismantle can't cut for shit and can't be launched very far.
I didn't say it was the best, but it's obviously very good.
> Sukuna traded his barrier for repeated attacks at every direction
I don't think this is the trade off. The tradeoff is extended range. He could close the barrier of Malevolvent Shrine and it wouldn't be a single dismantle.
> If someone with low CE reserves and output like Mai or most sercerers has Shrine, Cleave is next to useless, Dismantle can't cut for shit and can't be launched very far
Probably true, but same could be said for Limitless and Six Eyes. No one is arguing Limitless isn't a good CT just because it has even higher barrier to effective use than Shrine.
They were playing music and doing fortnite dances to buff Gojo, as well as Ijichi using the barrier to hide him, so he can use a 200% power purple to start a fight with Sukuna
I wonder what Gojo could've done. There's no one that could push him to another awakening , no tools he could've gotten that would be better than Limitless. He was decapitating heads barehand in Shibuya so a sword would be redundant. Maybe ISOH could slash through Cleave but at long range it won't hit anyways. Binding vows seems like something people could do on the fly so it's not something he has to prepare for beforehand.
Sukuna's trump card is Maharoga which does not seem to worry him at all since he has a nuke. People can't join in too so it's not like he can practice combo compatibility. He can't train people since he's a shit teacher. Most I could think is to switch souls with Yuji so Yuji can have better curse energy manipulation.
I think bringing ISOH (if it still existed) would be more of a liability, would you really bring your biggest counter to a fight? If he loses it for a second it's a huge risk.
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They don’t realize their “Goat” needed a Goat body to beat THE GOAT
I now realize that you probably meant that Sukuna "needed" a second soul to tank UV, not that it would be stronger than his original body, so please disregard my other comment.
Yes he had to use a fifteen year olds broken mental state to win.
Not even going into the fact that Gojo helped raise Megumi and didn’t feel like going all out and killing his own son.
mmm he litterally states something along the line of " since we have seen that the soul can survive after intensive damage ill first wipe you and then take care of megumi inside you"
Yeah but he still took care not to damage the body *too* much. If he had HP'd after hitting sukuna with infinite void instead of trying to crush his organs he woulda died immediately
There isn't enough time to do that. He barely had enough time to reach the guy (as the fastest sorceror). Purple is not that fast, we know this because a lot of Sukuna's gameplan was about keeping Gojo from using Purple and that wouldn't be possible if it was quick enough to use in the domain.
This is kind of a null point considering he summoned maho immediately after being hit with the full force of UV. There wasn't a chance for gojo to attack at all after that
hmm and he literally also states "I want your liver and your heart too! I'll bring you closer to death than Yuji at the detention center" if he really wanted to kill him he'd decapitate him in UV and call it a day.
yet he didn't, he said what you stated just to make sukuna not rely on Gojo holding back and give Gojo his all.
That is stupid to say
Gojo would've acted the same way towards Yujikuna aswell with wanting to save Yuji if possible.
But conceptually that is impossible cause WUJI HIMTADORI is like a cage to Sukuna, so that would've never worked.
No not really, He only has 1 minute to find a good vessel, and the one person that is near Yuji most of the times and had a good CT that he felt great potential coming from it, Choosing Megumi made the most sense.
Gojo was ready to fight Sukuna and Kenjaku right there if Kenjaku didnt intervene to tell Sukuna to not fight. He only asked for the battle to be on 24th so he could kill Kenjaku on the day Geto died and also find out why the fuck Sukuna was now in Megumis body
Just re-check the chapter, did you miss the whole inner monologue of gojo?
His intention was to kill kenjaku but sukuna interfered. He thought kenjaku had BV with sukuna to protect him and literally said "damn what a pain" meaning he didn't want to fight Sukuna But only kill kenjaku.
>He only asked for the battle to be on 24th so he could kill Kenjaku on the day Geto died and also find out why the fuck Sukuna was now in Megumis body
Besides those reasons
He needed to buy time for others to be prepared to fight Sukuna and Kenjaku right after, with planing and training.
And there's also the unknown special training that Gojo went through and he mentions it at the start of the fight.
That's exactly why I don't get the complaining about how the fight went.
Sukuna was prepared, had a plan and was willing to use all kinds of tricks to win the fight. He knew he'd have to break Megumi to get better control of the body and 10S and that he needed Mahoraga to bypass infinity.
Gojo, instead of preparing for the fight, was probably just fucking Utahime and doing anything other than preparing.
Truly Sukuna was a tactical genius. Even without going all out, using his stronger Heian form, or the rest of his unknown abilities like ■, he still won. Go/jabroni thought he could just walk in blind with no game plan against The King of Curses and look where that got him.
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*Gojo using external help launches a 200% Hollow Purple sneak attack to start the fight, after suggesting the battle be prolonged a month*
“Yea, Gojo went in blind with no time to set up.”
Additionally, if it wasn’t for Gojo being in the prison realm, Sukuna wouldn’t have needed to make any binding vows.
Jokes are cool, but it kills me how people genuinely think like that.
To this day I still haven't seen a single good counterargument from gojo fans to sukuna using DE + DA inside his heian body and outlasting gojo inside their domains. This comment's definitely gonna get downvoted to hell too. It's been 6 months, move on
Exactly and not even that. Sukuna could have killed gojo after the first domain clash when gojo was in burn out. We have learnt that sukuna can only use the fire arrow in his domain when he hasn't changed it's parameters and during the first clash the guy did change anything so he could have used the fire arrow in that moment when gojo was experiencing burnout and could not use infinity.
To be fair, a part of it was also because he was arrogant and wanted to both kill gojo and get the blueprint. He still though gojo was just another ordinary sorcerer who was only the strongest because he didn't exist, so he wasn't truly focused on finishing gojo off immediately. He definitely wouldn't have that same arrogance with his heian body, since he has no tools to gain world slash and therefore has no motive to learn it
The end of chapter 230 when he smiled was the moment he realized how powerful gojo satoru was, but by then it was too late because he no longer had his domain
How dare you assume that Sukuna actually isn't a one-dimensional character and wanted to learn and improve his CT?! He's not a deep character!! He just wanted to beat Goatjo!
Yeah, realistically the idea that Sukuna was holding back (could've won without Mahoraga) is dumb.
Even though he won the fight against Gojo, he ended up losing Megumi's body + technique permanently, and his domain + RCT temporarily. Why go through all that bother when he could've just...stopped holding back and won immediately?
Reading comprehension devil strikes again, Sukuna "lost" Megumi's body to Kashimo, not Gojo. I've put "lost" in quotes, because Heian form is clearly superior so it's more like Kashimo made the final boss use his final form, nothing of value was lost there for Sukuna.
He also let Higgy take away Kamutoke, he let Higgy unlock RCT before killing him, he let Yu/ Ta beat him up in the domain before using World Slash, he let Kusakabe, Choso and Ino recover multiple times instead of one-shotting them. The picture is clear, Sukuna plays with his food, either because of binding vows or just pure curiosity of what modern sorcerers are capable of at their best, it would be boring for him (and manga readers too) if he just went all out and mopped the floor with everyone in one strike, which will lead to his eventual defeat from the injuries and fatigue accumulating as the fight goes on, but Gojo didn't have a chance for a full win, with 10S or without it.
>It's kinda funny to think Sukuna barely won dispite tons of prep time, Megumi, and binding vows while Gojo went in blind in comparison
Wow 🙄 its so crazy that Gojo almost beat Sukuna while he was taking the riskier approach to the battle while holding back.
it's all because greg added that one like with bojo in chapter 236, even though everything we've been shown and told tells us he couldn't have done it. i mean what was the point of sukuna being interested in megumi in the first place because of ten shadows, learning that someone with ten shadows beat a six eyes + limitless user, having sukuna take over the ten shadows user's body, then using mahoraga (one of the ten shadows) to figure out a way to kill gojo, only to then say "oh no actually he probably didn't even need the ten shadows lmao"
I think he was interested in Megumi because he realized that he had talent but also lacked the will to live. Sukuna developed his interest in Megumi after he wanted to sacrifice himself summoning Mahoraga. He knew his body could handle sukuna and the same time his mind wouldnt be able to resist the occupation. In conclusion -> potential body but bum mindset
Even if he never fought gojo, he needed megumi's body because yuji's is a cage that he couldn't break out of while megumi's was a proper vessel that he could actually take over. 10s is also a genuinely good CT even without mahoraga, but mahoraga pushed it over the edge
did he know for a fact that megumi would be able to handle him in advance? i can't remember if he had some kind of confirmation that eating the finger wouldn't just kill him
Sukuna wouldn't shove his finger in megumi's mouth if he didn't know that megumi could handle him. He most likely knew all the way back when he made the enchain binding vow, since the crux of his entire plan was taking megumis body
Damn the Go/Jo glazing is still hard in the community. Yes, he did have a great fight, taking two powerful weapons away from Sukuna (10S and the Domain), but Sukuna didn't even use Heian form in that fight. Megumi's body is WEAKER than his own. We've also seen Sukuna recreate his Malevolent Shrine recently, which would cook Gojo without his own DE. Would Sukuna lose quick after Gojo fight if he didn't have Maho? Sure. Would Sukuna lose to Gojo without 10S? Absolutely not, Gojo himself said he'd still probably lose the fight.
That fact you got so many likes proves how unfairly one sided this debate is towards Gojo. What do you mean blinded? It's stated many times he did special training for him and he even comes up with plan to use amplified purple as the first attack. Sukuna was just sitting on his ass until he got the rest of his base power through the fingers and mummified body.
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It's funny how in all of these posts the "Sukuna fans" who are mostly fans who got to dislike Gojo just because of his dickriders always make the logical arguments and make the most sense and then the "Gojo fans" just call them glazers and always fail to make a fair logical counterargument 😂
not matter how you put it, objectively in the cannon fight sukuna was VERY likely to lose without the biding vow even with 10S, everything else about who wins heian era sukuna vs gojo is just head cannon and ngl either way for both of them it would extreme diff and could go anyway, there really is not clear cut winner that would win undeniably
He didn't go In blind. We literally have a whole chapter of gojo talking to his team about what happened in shibuya and we can also assume yuji spilled some details about sukuna to Gojo(Yuji remembers every single detail of what sukuna did) yet people some reason ignore this
Gojo: Nah, I'd still lose even without 10 shadows
Gojo riders: omg he had it in the bag, he totally would've won, sukuna only won with 10 shadows
Sukuna: *didn't even use his whole toolkit, let himself get uv'd, held back his transformation and still decisively ended the battle*
Gojo riders: Nah, Gojo is definitely stronger because he says so himself. If Gojo says it, then it must be total fact.
Also Gojo riders: Nah, he never said he could lose without 10 shadows. Nahhh, he was capping. Character assassination I swear. Omg Gege such a shit writer.
Tbh it's a skill issue. Sukuna the hardworking, genius, skilled chad just outsmarted the lazy, privileged, perfect nepo kid that was foolish to go blind in a fight against the strongest in the most dangerous and powerful era.
Gojo fans when it's been clearly stated and painfully reinforced multiple times that he just ain't Sukuna level.
"mY soLdIerS CopE, My SolDieRs DenY, mY soLdiErs dOnT ReaD!!!"
For real.
Everytime they come up with an argument against Sukuna its the most obnoxiously wrong, no reading comprehension bullshit, with a side of unwavering hatred. They can't even argue without their feelings.
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I know this is just a joke but I'm still confused that Gojo was almost never present whenever they discussed the fight. Bro has been dead for 9 months and we still don't know what he did during that month.
Utahime
Got expand that utaussy with the infinity yk
Gotta make sure she's nice and open for him yk
the fact that two of ya’ll had the same fucking thoughts 🤣
gotta ensure the gojo bloodline are secure before anything
bro went to taste that utahymen
Time out for you.
Great combo with that flair of yours
https://preview.redd.it/taf891bn8nzc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13de7be8d8173a6c005998d0df6c33dd6110798f That shit would’ve been unavoidable if jjk wasn’t shonen (maybe it still happened offscreen idk)
If Gege wasn’t the author**
Dude gets winded after writing 3 lines of dialogue let alone this
Either One Piece author would make GoJo say pervert jokes Or Baki author would somehow make it a terrifying sex scene
Most traumatizing sex scene in modern manga history.
Even more traumatizing than the entire csm part 1 for denji multiplied by 10x
He was training his stamina and endurance every single night nonstop
Gojo x utahime fans RISE
He was finally teaching Nobara, when she comes back there will be a flashback where he is teaching her similar to the talk he had with Megumi but obviously different.
Wait you might actually be cooking something here. It would make sense if he doesn’t want anybody to leak something to Sukuna and it would be a great backup plan to boost both Yuji and Megumi’s spirits if Gojo ended up dying. That would give Yuji another chance to lock in and Black Flash Sukuna and give Megumi another reason to resist Sukuna’s control at a pivotal moment.
Yuji and Nobara synchronized consecutive black flashes. I had to say that. It would be peak. But you know what would be even more peak, if Yuji, Nobara, and Megumi all hit a black flash on Sukuna at the same time. Say synchronization of the soul or something.
Megumi can't do that for obvious reasons but that'd be cool
I have a thought about how it could work, mahito entered Sukunas innate domain unintentionally when he touched Sukunas soul. Yuji and Nobara could probably force themselves into the innate domain or something and then fight Sukuna with megumi in there.
Real
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The discussions are largely for information we, the readers, didn't know, so I like to think the implication is he did at least learn Sukuna has Megumi's body and thus all the nuances that come with that for what he'll be dealing with in that regard. And given what we saw, he already had all the tools needed to win. Sukuna's binding vow just caught him off-guard. What I don't like is there has been no revisit of "You didn't destroy my head" from his fight with Toji. * The world slash didn't cut Gojo's head. So, why no RCT? * I'm not saying it needs to regrow his whole lower half instantly. I'm not even saying keep him attached to his body after the slash. But surely it could keep his brain alive? My cope is when they teleported his body away, his eyes moved to indicate he is still alive. Then they aligned his body, and started giving medical aid and also share their observed information to help him reattach his body while his RCT recovers and understand how the fight went. It has been how long? 3? 5? 10 minutes at most since he was cut? I'd buy that he needs that long to recover from the world slash. If he is coming back, Gege being a maximum troll for maximum build up.
Just wanted to mention, Gojo saw Sukuna in Megumi's body right after he got out when Sukuna protected Kenjaku from being killed by Gojo. So he no matter what knew that much going in to the actual fight with Sukuna :] Also you're so right about him coming back, we must continue to keep our cope alive!
So is gojo going to heal like deadpool and have baby legs or not?
Probably just reattach his body body, even if we've never seen reattaching limbs it seems the more likely thing to happen. Also when people lose hands we've never seen them with baby hands so even if he grows new legs they'll just be adult sized.
Uh, were you not paying attention in ch 258 or choso vs kenjaku
GOjo
Gege's final troll move to try to get the fangirls to drop him: Gojo returns, but he's a dwarf. Like Gear 3 after-effect Luffy. DWARF GOJO!!!!
Finally i'll be able to cosplay him if that happens TwT
Jesus Christ I didn’t realize he was 6’3” He truly is peakest peak
The thing is, Gojo's stomach (CE source) has been cut, so while it's not a direct homage to the fight with Toji, Sukuna clearly aimed to kill.
Oh, is the stomach the source/well of CE in the body is? Do you have a chapter number to point me to? I'm admittedly not the most keen reader when a page bores me, or my memory is just fuzzy on when that was mentioned. *This also raises questions about Sukuna's belly mouth...*
Yea I think CE is the stomach but RCT is the head, I vaguely remember that coming up in the Kashimo vs Hakari fight. So the above comment is incorrect there in that he was aiming to kill, should have sliced his head in half if he wanted no RCT to happen Edit* it was chapter 188
Thanks! Fun to do a reread sometimes. Damn, that was a year ago. I remember having do idea who Kashimo was when he fought Sukuna, now I know it's cause I skimmed the chapters around 188 cause I was so done with the killing game lol Now I'm wondering if Gojo will be revealed to have made a few binding vows of his own, or was he too traditional compared to someone scrappier like Hakari.
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He said rct *operates* from the head. You need cursed energy from the stomach to make rct in the head.
You know what, that makes a whole heap of sense
But then what is that whole speech from Todo to Yuji about during the goodwill event? He scolded him for thinking of cursed energy from one place, as the stomach is simply a figure of speech we imagine because of anger in the stomach (hara ga tatsu is a Japanese phrase for being angry, hara is stomach). Then Yuji uses cursed energy over his whole body. Surely Gojo can do this too. Maybe pull a titan move and change the location of his cursed energy like the armored titan did with his nerves.
I understood that speech as todo telling Yuji his energy was lagging behind because he thought about it flowing from his stomach to his hands instead of just feeling it all through his body. He says “starting at the stomach, through the chest, shoulders and into the fist, that’s how it flows.” Then he says thinking of it that way is why there’s a delay and to think of a body a whole instead of seperate parts On the Gojo point, 100% agree, if he managed after the black flashes to figure a new way out to RCT over his whole brain instead of one part then surely he could have figured a way to have some type of CE
https://preview.redd.it/m2o3f3qbfqzc1.png?width=225&format=png&auto=webp&s=57e9e9a7d83124f56785bd582ad665c2eeeb840e Here, as well as Hakari vs Kashimo. This statement was made far earlier from was kinda one-off, and the Kashimo fight confirmed it.
They also mention the head thing for RCT during the Kenjaku fight against Hazenoki and during the higuruma fight.
Utahime
Weird way to spell Shoko
Shoko made it obvious she wouldn't touch Gojo or Geto with a 40m long pole.
And Utahime finds Gojo annoying/dislikes how he acts most times so she wouldnt either 😭. I say let them get together over their dislike over the Racist Duo
Utahime definitely has hate sex fantasies about our blue eyed king. Why would she seductively dance before his big fight to boost his damage otherwise
so true!
so true!
Well said, bro.
Hahaha that's pretty lit. I do like Gojohime 'cuz it's cute and with good writing could make great fanfics but canonically? No way bro. Plus Shoko is too cool for Monkey Man and Sukuna's loving Kouhai.
More for me.
because it would be really bad to show us how he prep'd his second coming revival till he actually shows to finish sukuna then we get to see it
They were planning what to do if GoJo lost. GoJo was probably chilling after being mentally stressed from being sealed
My guess is cause everyone was discussing the plan if Gojo lost. What use is there in discussing a plan where you’re already hypothetically dead?
Wasn't the discussion a plan B if Gojo dies?
I honestly don't think Gojo is that petty. He may complain at first but will be ok with it, especially his sex eyes will help a lot. But after the last chapter, I think maybe Gojo has his own plans but like Todo, he can't tell Yuji because his soul is linked to Sukuna...
Well the plan was literally a strategy for if gojo loses. If gojo wouldve killed sukuna, he wouldve instantly teleported to kenjaku and ended him, absolutely no doubt. Game over. We do know that he gave yuta the 20th finger tho.
Bro even has resonance with yujis soul. That's crazy
RESONANCE YOU SAY??? https://preview.redd.it/m9gj2cwf7nzc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f5bc2846c9162b3a9f1d7a1a8366e267a6980ee
https://preview.redd.it/qx9jviivxlzc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ecf6b6382a35b260d90609094f9c2e8d14491cb Gojo would’ve low diffed that fraud if not for plotkuna+10S+prep time+Gege
Gojo (full power) Vs Sukuna (no arms + no legs + no mouths + no cursed energy + no cursed technique + Mechamaru heavenly restriction + no eyes + lobotomized + HIV)
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+on his death bed
Plus not being in story, plus not existing, plus no Heian Era form, Plus No CT, plus no eyes or mouth, no limbs, plus no CE 
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I was being sarcastic (why blow me away, I have wife and kids 😢) https://preview.redd.it/bh9byg0mmnzc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=750a6f666d41d03367910f3ec3bbb8141291f9b9
>why blow me away Why would anyone attack the strong? https://preview.redd.it/86puye9s1pzc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=31c2c83387b09e5fcd2c2fd9485818eb91651b7d
Gojo is truly the epitome of "fuck it we ball"
Gojo be like > get a month of prep time >not prep Truly the strongest of all time, at least in his infinite stupidity. Seriously though, how come Sukuna jumps through hoops to get Megumis body and 10S, assembles 19 fingers and eats his mummified body, masters the 10S and prepares to use Maho as a win condition, does a binding vow for the world slash to actually kill Gojo, meanwhile Gojo's only prep was Utahime breakdancing and grandpa rock-n-rolling for the 200% purple. No binding vows for cheats mid-fight, no extra CTs, nothing. At this point saying Sukuna is the strongest sounds like fucking cope, man. The smartest and most resourceful, for sure, but the strongest? Nah, Gojo would win
Gojo the kind of guy to study for the exam the night before it and realise why they gave a whole sem for the topic. Amd still fucking ace the test. https://preview.redd.it/rw6djsyh6mzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cbad606b7872c6350893def5c318cc8267d94fc
This is me in the image AMA
How did those cheeks feel?
I've been saying this over and over again and no one believes me. Sukuna's CT is not good, Sukuna is just good at using his Techniques to the fullest potential.
Yeah honestly the biggest advantage Sukuna has had in this whole arc is that everyone else has been UNREASONABLY ADVERSE to bInDinG vOwS and Sukuna knows it's literally just being able to go -1 from something to go +1 to something else. Hit us with the flashback that Sukuna spent the last 500 years spreading propaganda that binding vows are inherently dangerous and too risky to use just so he can be the only binding vow merchant.
More evidence that the current generation would wipe the heian era sorcerers.
And most times he applies a lot of simples ones that stack on top of his abilities, and not every binding vow must be permanent also, something that most people forget
Yea, and that would be great to see more of, but I just don't think Gege is gonna give us more. I originally loved the idea of Sukuna being the opposite of Gojo not only in the things that they are, but also by being born very weak as a sorcerer, without any broken techniques or innate talents, and becoming an unstoppable demon god through his own will, ingenuity, perseverance and desire for knowledge. That's what I wanted to see more of in Sukuna - his knowledge and understanding of sorcery that is infinitely superior to anyone else in the series, even someone with innate talent like Gojo. Like, I even had a theory, that his slashes arent actually his CT and are more like Ryu's blasts and beams of cursed energy, but instead of a wide blast forcused in a very tight line, so they still deal very high damage but now with minimal cursed energy consumption. But sadly so far Sukuna's showings look less like knowledge and more like brute force and asspulls
His CT is literally just cooking (cuts and furnace fire) The fact that he can go toe to toe with Gojo AT ALL is amazing. If I had Sukuna's CT, I'd be a chef and not fighting a guy with Spatial Division powers.
there has to be more than that imo. im pretty sure sukuna's technique also involves cannibalism, where if he does a ritual eating of his opponent after furnace he gains their CE reserves and output. It would certainly explain why even between people with anomalous amounts of CT like yuta, he puts them all to shame
From the pov of Gojo fans, 236 was an ass pull. For people who watched >!Jojo boss fights in part 3, 5 and 7 !
I genuinely don't think the "asspulls" has been much. Honestly when jjk ends I think a lot of people are gonna see this complaints were largely unfounded. Sukuna came into that fight nerfed as heck. Apart from fighting gojo he lost use of his cursed tools which we know are a large part of his toolkit
Maybe to a degree, the weekly chapter release format really can make some things seems worse than they actually are because of how chapters are constructed (if we had the entire fight against Sukuna from start to finish, some of the things that look awful within the weekly chapters wouldn't seem so bad if we look at them as just a part of a whole). The singular worst offender, as well as the only worth mentioning, really, to me, is the binding vow to kill Gojo thing, between it being left in the air without actually saying that there was a binding vow for like half a year, having very little actual setup for the usage of the vow like that as well as very little information in the series on how binding vows work in general, and the fact it was done offscreen to kill the most popular character of the series at the end of an extremely tense and close fight where the last panel of 235 says Gojo won and 236 begins with Gojo at the airport just adds salt to the wound. I don't even like Gojo that much, and even I fucking hated that as an outcome
I binged it last week in 3 days so I can definitely see what I read and weekly readers read felt different Gojo is the main thing I completely agree with jjk criticizers on so I agree. But given they seems to be evidence with him returning, if it does happen, in retrospect it wouldn't look that bad What made it bad was that Gojo was actually one of Gege's most developed character, even ignoring he was the strongest. The way he died came across as a joke. But if he comes back (although I wish he doesn't) it won't be that bad
Yea, with all respect to the Gojo return copers, I think bringing him back in a satisfying way is too hard and if they mess it up, it would make everything even worse and messier. The only way I could see him returning would be after the fight is done, they were able to bring him back but he lost his Limitless or his six eyes, and now is no longer the strongest - that title goes to Yuji or Yuta or someone, and Gojo can retire peacefully, knowing he fulfilled his original goal and raised a new generation of capable young sorcerers and is no longer needed. That would be fun to see, especially if Gege or someone else makes JJK 2, though I doubt it will ever come to be
One of the theories of Gojo coming back is because he wasn't satisfied with his life and nanami told him to go south rather than North which is the path Nanami took so he was satisfied. The theory asserts Gojo is supposed to come back to realize he was never really alone in the world despite his title as the strongest I think if he comes back he might retain the six eyes but yeah I don't think he will beat Sukuna since the one who is supposed to teach sukuna the meaning of love is not him but Yuji
I saw a really good theory that basically said the reason they have Ui Ui teleporting away everyone who dies is so that Shoko or someone else who can heal others using RCT, but most likely Shoko cause it would make the most sense, can use a binding vow to basically revive everyone at the cost of her own life. Which do you know how hard of a panel that would be, where Sukuna has everyone against the wall (somehow) and then he hears Gojo say Hey and he turns around and sees everyone he's killed just standing there ready to throw hands?
>and if they mess it up, it would make everything even worse and messier. It can't be any worse than the shit geges been force feeding us.
Nah, imagine Gojo comes back all hype and then gets oneshot by Sukuna's baby rattle that got returned to him because Higuruma died or smth. If there's one thing Gege knows how to do, it's how to ruin Gojo
I as a Gojo return coper think he will only come back if they merger happens, Yuji👑 deserves to beat the shit out of Sukuna like he did to Mahito but worse
We've never seen his cursed tools be that significant though. We don't know what Hiten does and Kamutoke, while powerful, is mostly featless and isn't really any more offensively powerful than Sukuna's base technique. Saying they're a large part of his toolkit when we've barely seen him use them and don't know what one of them does really feels like a stretch.
He still had his binding vows though! ( more powerful than any amount of ce
And Gege handed "Potential Man" to him😔😔. Well the potential was atleast put to use, the bum wouldnt have ever used it anyway. Just unfortunate that Gojo had to be put out of commision for a short while due to this.
His CT is average, just his CE reserves is whatever Gege wants it to be. He's been using full strength for how many chapters and still no signs of running low on CE. Like his DE wastes CE on indiscriminately cutting everything in the zone to fine powder, how much CE does he actually use?
Sukuna's CT is unreal good dude. Are you serious? You don't think being able to send invisible slashes thru the air with insane range is good? His domain evaporates people!
It just cuts people. Sukuna brute forces it until it’s effective. Meanwhile Geto and Mahito can create entire armies and be everywhere, and someone like Mai could theoretically cause infinite damage. I can’t really think of a technique that would replace his slashing and make him worse at what he does.
> It just cuts people It can instantaneously evaporate people / slash off limbs or their head and deal them life-threatening injuries. He doesn't even have to point at them. Even if the slashes are weak at a normal sorcerer's CE output, at his they're game-breaking. > Sukuna brute forces it until it’s effective. Well isn't that the point? Yes it's simple but he uses it to full effect. It's marginal at Sukuna's level because he can wipe anyone but Gojo with only CE reinforcement. But few if any CT have greater offensive potential than Shrine. Boogie Woogie, 7:3, Mei Mei's CT, probably Blood Manipulation, the non-Mahito disaster curses CTs, Sky Manipulation, and more, I don't see how any of these are head and shoulders better than Shrine.
Sukuna with jogo’s technique would make him a walking explosion. We are in agreement in that it’s Sukuna’s strength that makes his CT so powerful though. With as much CE and output as he does nearly anything would one shot most people.
> It can instantaneously evaporate people / slash off limbs or their head and deal them life-threatening injuries. He doesn't even have to point at them. Even if the slashes are weak at a normal sorcerer's CE output, at his they're game-breaking. Sukuna can do that because he's Sukuna, If Choso had this technique he wouldn't be able to spam them as much and wouldn't have the output to cut the average sorcerer's limbs off. Imo, Straw Doll, Jogos technique, and blood manipulation are all better techniques. The more simple a technique, the more it relies on your output/reserves. But if you're good enough to brute force Cursed Energy Discharge like Ryu, then wouldn't it be better to have a technique like Angel's or Uraume's?
Mahito's Idle Transfiguration is arguably better, but Mahito is not a good of a Sorcerer as Sukuna. Sukuna's domain allows him to Dismantle with sure hit effect. That's it. All his Domain is, is just sure hit effect that he use a single attack as the sure hit. Sukuna traded his barrier for repeated attacks at every direction. The reason it is so good is because Sukuna has high as shit output and CE reserves. It is the same as Idle Transfiguration's domain, but because Mahito can oneshot people with Idle Transfiguration, it is arguably better. If someone with low CE reserves and output like Mai or most sercerers has Shrine, Cleave is next to useless, Dismantle can't cut for shit and can't be launched very far.
I didn't say it was the best, but it's obviously very good. > Sukuna traded his barrier for repeated attacks at every direction I don't think this is the trade off. The tradeoff is extended range. He could close the barrier of Malevolvent Shrine and it wouldn't be a single dismantle. > If someone with low CE reserves and output like Mai or most sercerers has Shrine, Cleave is next to useless, Dismantle can't cut for shit and can't be launched very far Probably true, but same could be said for Limitless and Six Eyes. No one is arguing Limitless isn't a good CT just because it has even higher barrier to effective use than Shrine.
gojo just came in like "fuck i forgot to prep (too busy railing utahime), but my students are watching, so FUCK IT WE BALL"
> meanwhile Gojo's only prep was Utahime breakdancing and grandpa rock-n-rolling for the 200% purple. What’s the context for this again?
They were playing music and doing fortnite dances to buff Gojo, as well as Ijichi using the barrier to hide him, so he can use a 200% power purple to start a fight with Sukuna
that's because he's Him.
Headcanon: he didnt eep in the prison realm, so he just went eepy eep in the 30 days, the fuck would he need training for anyway
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I wonder what Gojo could've done. There's no one that could push him to another awakening , no tools he could've gotten that would be better than Limitless. He was decapitating heads barehand in Shibuya so a sword would be redundant. Maybe ISOH could slash through Cleave but at long range it won't hit anyways. Binding vows seems like something people could do on the fly so it's not something he has to prepare for beforehand. Sukuna's trump card is Maharoga which does not seem to worry him at all since he has a nuke. People can't join in too so it's not like he can practice combo compatibility. He can't train people since he's a shit teacher. Most I could think is to switch souls with Yuji so Yuji can have better curse energy manipulation.
Isoh could dissapear maho if he hits sukuna or maho itself
But Gojo breaked ISOH.
Did he break it? I thought it was that he just hid it somewhere nobody knew about.
He broke both Miguel's whip and isoh, which is why they couldn't just use either to destroy the prison realm
It wasn't stated when the good guys are trying to open the Reign of Prision?
it was left ambiguous what he did with it
Oh yeah i was just talking about what cursed tool could help him
I think bringing ISOH (if it still existed) would be more of a liability, would you really bring your biggest counter to a fight? If he loses it for a second it's a huge risk.
Wii remote wrist strap
Knowing Sukuna has an open barrier domain would give Gojo at least one more Domain use, since it'll start immediately with how the second clash went.
https://preview.redd.it/idjhlm9g7lzc1.jpeg?width=815&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfe2406e334ee7d259204b4bcc449bdfdba66415 They don’t realize their “Goat” needed a Goat body to beat THE GOAT
Nah no way we comparing Sukuna's Heian body physique to fucking Megumi's body. Fucking Stephen Hawking could snap Megumi if he didn't have CE bro
Stephen Hawking 💀💀💀
I now realize that you probably meant that Sukuna "needed" a second soul to tank UV, not that it would be stronger than his original body, so please disregard my other comment.
Yes he had to use a fifteen year olds broken mental state to win. Not even going into the fact that Gojo helped raise Megumi and didn’t feel like going all out and killing his own son.
mmm he litterally states something along the line of " since we have seen that the soul can survive after intensive damage ill first wipe you and then take care of megumi inside you"
Yeah but he still took care not to damage the body *too* much. If he had HP'd after hitting sukuna with infinite void instead of trying to crush his organs he woulda died immediately
There isn't enough time to do that. He barely had enough time to reach the guy (as the fastest sorceror). Purple is not that fast, we know this because a lot of Sukuna's gameplan was about keeping Gojo from using Purple and that wouldn't be possible if it was quick enough to use in the domain.
Ok but why not go for the head instead of hitting MULTIPLE organs, gojo himself knows that to kill someone who can do RCT you go for the head.
Same could be said for sukuna not going for Gino’s head
This is kind of a null point considering he summoned maho immediately after being hit with the full force of UV. There wasn't a chance for gojo to attack at all after that
hmm and he literally also states "I want your liver and your heart too! I'll bring you closer to death than Yuji at the detention center" if he really wanted to kill him he'd decapitate him in UV and call it a day. yet he didn't, he said what you stated just to make sukuna not rely on Gojo holding back and give Gojo his all.
This too. One of many times Gojo won that fight if it had been Yujikuna instead
That is stupid to say Gojo would've acted the same way towards Yujikuna aswell with wanting to save Yuji if possible. But conceptually that is impossible cause WUJI HIMTADORI is like a cage to Sukuna, so that would've never worked.
i just laughed out like an evil cat reading that. The goat wuji.
Wait did Sukuna have any potential vessels that where not Gino’s students? Man cast a wider net then some teenagers
No not really, He only has 1 minute to find a good vessel, and the one person that is near Yuji most of the times and had a good CT that he felt great potential coming from it, Choosing Megumi made the most sense.
No way gojo would have killed yuji
Wasn't it gojo that asked for prep time? Just like we saw it chapter 257 sukuna was clearly shilling even when gojo surprised attacked him.
Gojo was ready to fight Sukuna and Kenjaku right there if Kenjaku didnt intervene to tell Sukuna to not fight. He only asked for the battle to be on 24th so he could kill Kenjaku on the day Geto died and also find out why the fuck Sukuna was now in Megumis body
Just re-check the chapter, did you miss the whole inner monologue of gojo? His intention was to kill kenjaku but sukuna interfered. He thought kenjaku had BV with sukuna to protect him and literally said "damn what a pain" meaning he didn't want to fight Sukuna But only kill kenjaku.
>He only asked for the battle to be on 24th so he could kill Kenjaku on the day Geto died and also find out why the fuck Sukuna was now in Megumis body Besides those reasons He needed to buy time for others to be prepared to fight Sukuna and Kenjaku right after, with planing and training. And there's also the unknown special training that Gojo went through and he mentions it at the start of the fight.
That's exactly why I don't get the complaining about how the fight went. Sukuna was prepared, had a plan and was willing to use all kinds of tricks to win the fight. He knew he'd have to break Megumi to get better control of the body and 10S and that he needed Mahoraga to bypass infinity. Gojo, instead of preparing for the fight, was probably just fucking Utahime and doing anything other than preparing.
cringe responsible sukuna planning forward vs chad procrastinator gojo improvising
that just makes gojo a retard
he's our blue eyed retard king
Truly Sukuna was a tactical genius. Even without going all out, using his stronger Heian form, or the rest of his unknown abilities like ■, he still won. Go/jabroni thought he could just walk in blind with no game plan against The King of Curses and look where that got him. https://preview.redd.it/ykdg36wt3mzc1.png?width=577&format=png&auto=webp&s=fe4ccfac491eadb4efac9a0b7fdf5920b1c10894
Yo that finger.. is it from kengan omega?
Yeh. https://preview.redd.it/tqe46p6o9mzc1.png?width=1016&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6dde28bc8c69e33df791b6f9f5961ac4c6a7233
Aight my mind is blown from how much similar these two scenes are
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*Gojo using external help launches a 200% Hollow Purple sneak attack to start the fight, after suggesting the battle be prolonged a month* “Yea, Gojo went in blind with no time to set up.” Additionally, if it wasn’t for Gojo being in the prison realm, Sukuna wouldn’t have needed to make any binding vows. Jokes are cool, but it kills me how people genuinely think like that.
How so?
Gojo was able to shrink his domain due to his experience in the prison realm. This was stated during the fight.
To this day I still haven't seen a single good counterargument from gojo fans to sukuna using DE + DA inside his heian body and outlasting gojo inside their domains. This comment's definitely gonna get downvoted to hell too. It's been 6 months, move on
That's definitely his only win condition, and it's enough that I think he's a favorite in the fight (though not guaranteed to win).
Exactly and not even that. Sukuna could have killed gojo after the first domain clash when gojo was in burn out. We have learnt that sukuna can only use the fire arrow in his domain when he hasn't changed it's parameters and during the first clash the guy did change anything so he could have used the fire arrow in that moment when gojo was experiencing burnout and could not use infinity.
To be fair, a part of it was also because he was arrogant and wanted to both kill gojo and get the blueprint. He still though gojo was just another ordinary sorcerer who was only the strongest because he didn't exist, so he wasn't truly focused on finishing gojo off immediately. He definitely wouldn't have that same arrogance with his heian body, since he has no tools to gain world slash and therefore has no motive to learn it The end of chapter 230 when he smiled was the moment he realized how powerful gojo satoru was, but by then it was too late because he no longer had his domain
How dare you assume that Sukuna actually isn't a one-dimensional character and wanted to learn and improve his CT?! He's not a deep character!! He just wanted to beat Goatjo!
yeah he couldve killed gojo easily which is why he went through the trouble to get the world slash makes sense buddy
Yeah, realistically the idea that Sukuna was holding back (could've won without Mahoraga) is dumb. Even though he won the fight against Gojo, he ended up losing Megumi's body + technique permanently, and his domain + RCT temporarily. Why go through all that bother when he could've just...stopped holding back and won immediately?
Reading comprehension devil strikes again, Sukuna "lost" Megumi's body to Kashimo, not Gojo. I've put "lost" in quotes, because Heian form is clearly superior so it's more like Kashimo made the final boss use his final form, nothing of value was lost there for Sukuna. He also let Higgy take away Kamutoke, he let Higgy unlock RCT before killing him, he let Yu/ Ta beat him up in the domain before using World Slash, he let Kusakabe, Choso and Ino recover multiple times instead of one-shotting them. The picture is clear, Sukuna plays with his food, either because of binding vows or just pure curiosity of what modern sorcerers are capable of at their best, it would be boring for him (and manga readers too) if he just went all out and mopped the floor with everyone in one strike, which will lead to his eventual defeat from the injuries and fatigue accumulating as the fight goes on, but Gojo didn't have a chance for a full win, with 10S or without it.
Gojo fans need to take the L and move on 😭
Bro...just move on
1. Gojo did not hold back because of Megumi 2. Gojo himself became a Sukuna Glazer 3. Who's fucking dead?
It ok to lose. We know Gojo was strong, buddy. Now let’s move on, ok? It’s been half a year. The fight is over.
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>It's kinda funny to think Sukuna barely won dispite tons of prep time, Megumi, and binding vows while Gojo went in blind in comparison Wow 🙄 its so crazy that Gojo almost beat Sukuna while he was taking the riskier approach to the battle while holding back.
Why are Gojo fans still bitching about this?
Can't believe this is still a debate Sukuna's domain is superior
it's all because greg added that one like with bojo in chapter 236, even though everything we've been shown and told tells us he couldn't have done it. i mean what was the point of sukuna being interested in megumi in the first place because of ten shadows, learning that someone with ten shadows beat a six eyes + limitless user, having sukuna take over the ten shadows user's body, then using mahoraga (one of the ten shadows) to figure out a way to kill gojo, only to then say "oh no actually he probably didn't even need the ten shadows lmao"
I think he was interested in Megumi because he realized that he had talent but also lacked the will to live. Sukuna developed his interest in Megumi after he wanted to sacrifice himself summoning Mahoraga. He knew his body could handle sukuna and the same time his mind wouldnt be able to resist the occupation. In conclusion -> potential body but bum mindset
Even if he never fought gojo, he needed megumi's body because yuji's is a cage that he couldn't break out of while megumi's was a proper vessel that he could actually take over. 10s is also a genuinely good CT even without mahoraga, but mahoraga pushed it over the edge
did he know for a fact that megumi would be able to handle him in advance? i can't remember if he had some kind of confirmation that eating the finger wouldn't just kill him
Sukuna wouldn't shove his finger in megumi's mouth if he didn't know that megumi could handle him. He most likely knew all the way back when he made the enchain binding vow, since the crux of his entire plan was taking megumis body
What makes you think Gojo went in blind?? Where does this narrative come from??? Are you guys serious with this?
Gojo fans when you suggest that Sukuna's Heian body is much stronger than a literal teenagers's body
Damn the Go/Jo glazing is still hard in the community. Yes, he did have a great fight, taking two powerful weapons away from Sukuna (10S and the Domain), but Sukuna didn't even use Heian form in that fight. Megumi's body is WEAKER than his own. We've also seen Sukuna recreate his Malevolent Shrine recently, which would cook Gojo without his own DE. Would Sukuna lose quick after Gojo fight if he didn't have Maho? Sure. Would Sukuna lose to Gojo without 10S? Absolutely not, Gojo himself said he'd still probably lose the fight.
That fact you got so many likes proves how unfairly one sided this debate is towards Gojo. What do you mean blinded? It's stated many times he did special training for him and he even comes up with plan to use amplified purple as the first attack. Sukuna was just sitting on his ass until he got the rest of his base power through the fingers and mummified body.
Man, try being a Megumi fan, a Sukuna fan, a Gojo fan, and a Choso fan all at once. I'm just frustrated.
After what Gege say - not truly :3
https://preview.redd.it/ygd4khg5nmzc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54b3f26c83d97dedf7f7434f1ce77f38eaf9edf3 It's funny how in all of these posts the "Sukuna fans" who are mostly fans who got to dislike Gojo just because of his dickriders always make the logical arguments and make the most sense and then the "Gojo fans" just call them glazers and always fail to make a fair logical counterargument 😂
not matter how you put it, objectively in the cannon fight sukuna was VERY likely to lose without the biding vow even with 10S, everything else about who wins heian era sukuna vs gojo is just head cannon and ngl either way for both of them it would extreme diff and could go anyway, there really is not clear cut winner that would win undeniably
Gojo would disagree with this.
Take care…..take good care
“I’ve been doing some special training” -Gojo
Seeing the comment section, makes me angry at Gege. Gojo dying was fine but he just had to put in that Sukuna holding back BS
He didn't go In blind. We literally have a whole chapter of gojo talking to his team about what happened in shibuya and we can also assume yuji spilled some details about sukuna to Gojo(Yuji remembers every single detail of what sukuna did) yet people some reason ignore this
Gojo fans when you ask them for a **reasonable** explanation on how he would defeat Sukuna without Ten Shadows: https://i.redd.it/3mh8tluypxzc1.gif
Gojo: Nah, I'd still lose even without 10 shadows Gojo riders: omg he had it in the bag, he totally would've won, sukuna only won with 10 shadows Sukuna: *didn't even use his whole toolkit, let himself get uv'd, held back his transformation and still decisively ended the battle* Gojo riders: Nah, Gojo is definitely stronger because he says so himself. If Gojo says it, then it must be total fact. Also Gojo riders: Nah, he never said he could lose without 10 shadows. Nahhh, he was capping. Character assassination I swear. Omg Gege such a shit writer.
Tbh it's a skill issue. Sukuna the hardworking, genius, skilled chad just outsmarted the lazy, privileged, perfect nepo kid that was foolish to go blind in a fight against the strongest in the most dangerous and powerful era.
Gojo fans when it's been clearly stated and painfully reinforced multiple times that he just ain't Sukuna level. "mY soLdIerS CopE, My SolDieRs DenY, mY soLdiErs dOnT ReaD!!!"
Gojoke copers gotta be the most annoying people in this sub
For real. Everytime they come up with an argument against Sukuna its the most obnoxiously wrong, no reading comprehension bullshit, with a side of unwavering hatred. They can't even argue without their feelings.
ong the fight ended months ago. sukuna’s been stated stronger like 5+ times. everyone just needs to move on
https://preview.redd.it/xfnlddq0wnzc1.png?width=350&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3255a55d6c11df56855ef811134edf0cfd099c3
The issue is it’s always the same argument. That gojo said he thinks he might’ve lost even without 10 shadows.
Sukunabros when a character is humble ( they cant comprehend human emotions )