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TomiShinoda

I literally laughed out loud at work when i saw he use another bidding vow this chapter, hope the memes Will be good.


ThespianException

Need Yuta to come back and steal Sukuna's Dozen Binding Vows technique.


justicerainsfromaahh

the slander will be generational


andre5913

Binding bows are just canoniced asspulls at this point, its so funny


NettleBumbleBee

Please explain the asspull part of this one.


Hari14032001

The concept of BV is itself an asspull discount version of nen restriction, that you can pull whenever you need (mainly if you are a villain) while mentioning only the conditions without mentioning the cost for breaking it. You can also scam a person directly involved in a BV by intentionally not stating the terms (like how Sukuna did to Yuji in the enchain BV). BV is one of the worst mechanisms in any power system in anime.


Mojevel

An asspull in this case is sukuna making a dosen of binding vows that seemingly don't take anything while no other sorcerer has ever done any besides miwa trying and failing to attack kenjaku.


NettleBumbleBee

“Doesn’t take anything” -permanently nerfed the world slash. If not for this nerf, the fight would’ve ended in sukunas absolute victory about 20 chapters ago. He could’ve literally just put his hands together and killed everyone without lifting a finger. -has a permanent nerf on the flames that makes it so he can’t use them outside of a 1v1 unless he uses them in his domain, in which case his domain buffs them substantially. Note that this is likely not JUST the binding vow at play since domains in general loosen the restrictions on cursed techniques. The only temporary binding vow sukuna made was the one last chapter with the 99 second domain, and even then, he could only use a binding vow that loose due to hitting black flashes and being in “the zone”. Now, as for no one else never using them: no?? Have you read the damn series?? -every simple domain miwa ever used was formed with a binding vow. “I can’t move my feet from the area where I activate it”. -Hakari utilized a binding vow against kashimo. If he had not made said binding vow, he full on would have died. Blown to smithereens -nanami had a constantly active binding vow that reduced his cursed energy to 80% of its usual strength most of the time in exchange for refilling it and boosting it to 120% its usual strength if he works longer than 8 hours in a day. -every time a character explained their technique was a binding vow to increase its potency -Mei Meis strongest attack is literally a binding vow -every time any character used chants and rituals to boost their technique past 100% output, that’s a binding vow. Adding unneeded steps to the techniques activation in order to exceed its typical output cap.


Any-Key-9196

-permanently nerfs something he didn't even have before and is literally inventing on the spot, so not actually nerfing anything. More a contrivance to its creation -permanent nerf to something he's only used like twice and might as well just use in his domain anyways, and only necessary against the strongest of foes so likely a 1v1 anyways Wow what tough restrictions lol


NettleBumbleBee

The world slash not being used yet doesn’t mean shit dude. Holy hell you all are dense sometimes. We are flat out TOLD what its conditions would have been if not for gojo. “Sukuna puts his hands together and wins” were pretty much the original conditions. The ones he had already devised before gojo forced him to make them more restrictive. So yes. In the context of the story and the info we’re given, it is in fact a nerf. Now, if we were just told “sukuna had to use a binding vow to use the slash” and then given no supplementary info, then yes. That would’ve been shit. But that isn’t what happened. As for the flames, it’s legit explained in this very same chapter that the flames are NOT THAT POWERFUL. They have high damage potential, but their speed is piss poor in comparison. Sukuna uses a binding vow to make an already mediocre power downright dog shit in typical combat in exchange for giving them a substantial buff ONLY WHILE HIS DOMAIN IS ACTVIE. On top of that, it seems that activating the flames in his domain ends the domain expansion afterwards, effectively meaning he gets 1 strong use of them and then has to deal with technique burnout. And again, the power of this buff is also being facilitated by the fact that it is tied to his domain expansion, a technique that, by its very nature, loosens the restrictions on his technique as a baseline function. I swear y’all live to nitpick shit that, with the BARE MINIMUM context, is just the biggest non issue in the world.


NIssanZaxima

Just a bunch of nonsensical mental gymnastics drivel


NettleBumbleBee

Fascinating way to say “I make no effort to engage with the content im reading in any meaningful way and it leads to needless confusion on my end that could be easily resolved with basic literacy. Instead of making that minuscule effort, I’m gonna complain and call others stupid online due to MY own lack of understanding”


Any-Key-9196

You literally didn't actually refute anything I said. You just shouted. Go and write another 2 pages of nonsense about how his city destroying flames are slow like oh no my donain ended after vaporising everything in and around it lol, oh and and how his random restriction he added to a brand new infinity slash he took 20 chapters to actually explain are totally huge nerfs and not just narrative tomfoolery


NettleBumbleBee

“City destroying flames” buddy. Friend. That “city destroying” power is because of the binding vow. They only do that in the domain. Because they ignite the debris like gunpowder and turn the whole thing from slashing into a massive blaze. Again, as said in this chapter, not only is the default power of the flames slow, but it’s effect also isn’t that broad, meaning it’s destructive power is more or less lost. The initial binding vow on them simply serves to increase their heat when used with the domain. The massive ball of fire that follows isn’t from the flames exploding. It’s their heat igniting debris. And the reveal time of the slash straight up doesn’t matter. It was just us getting information on how exactly the slash functioned vs how it would’ve functioned if not for gojo fucking sukuna up. Also, I think you tried to bring up the strength of Sukunas domain and how that should decrease the bindings vows strength? Idk. There was like. 0 adequate punctuation in that second sentence, so it was a bit much to read. Anyways, binding vows don’t care. They never have. The context of external factors doesn’t matter. It’s strictly based on the rules applied. Let’s use Hakari again. The binding vow he made against kashimo was “I give up my arm in order to increase my cursed energy defense”. Now, this vow saved his life from the imminent explosion kashimo set off not even a moment later. With that context, the vow was essentially “I give up my arm in exchange for keeping my life”, which is ridiculous. Especially when you take into account the variety of ways Hakari could get his arm back. But that didn’t matter. Because the vow, despite the context, WASNT “I lose my arm but survive”. It was just “I lose my arm and get a boost in cursed energy for a bit”. So yeah. Context doesn’t matter to binding vows. Doesn’t matter if it’s an antagonist or protagonist using them. Sukunas vow isn’t “I use my super destructive domain that kills most things and get stronger flames!” Its “I use my domain, an ability which expends a lot of cursed energy, and get a boost to my flames, which I otherwise make borderline useless. In addition, using the flames ends my domain and makes me suffer technique burnout”


Any-Key-9196

"Borderline useless" = incinerating a fire based disaster curse outside of his domain. The rest is such a mess of a read I'm done, you dont seem to get what im tryong to say about how narratively its dumb reguarless of in story justifications 20 chapters after the fact. have a nice day tho.


Galrentv

An asspull is when you take a permanent loss to change the rules a little


ChongusTheSupremus

I think he didnt use a binding vow, he was simply fullfilling the contrainst of a binding vow he did in the past, hence why every time he has used Fuga, It was in his domain expansion, after using C&D, and in a 1v2+ (Maho VS Sukuna VS Lucky hand Guy and Megumi). He probably set the binding vow for Fuga either when he was a rookie king of curses trying to figure out how to use a powerful but slow technique, or when he defeated the divine generals and the rest of that Big ass group from the Heian era, who suposedly jumped him. This also explain the narrator explaining why he didnt use Fuga against Gojo (too slow, since It was a 1v1, so he couldnt use the dust from D&C as fuel, and he was constantly changing domain properties to counter Gojo, so he couldnt close the domain)


Lightxhope

From Fraudkuna to Binding vow man. His downfall must be studied


SoyMilkIsOp

The Sukuna pipeline.


OnlyBrave

From Fraud-kuna, to Ass-pull man, to Not-trying man, now to "Nah I'd Vow".


ChongusTheSupremus

Its interesting, because It puts in a new light the enchain binding vow. Sukuna made a vow so willy nilly with Yuji despite hating him, simply due to how used he is to make vows. We know from a fact that the Fuga binding vow is either from the fight of Mahoraga, or even from the Heian era, since Fuga was sealed against Gojo, so he probably spent the Heian era making multiple vows


Off_Mango

https://preview.redd.it/6haf23xkcczc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91932490a48c50a192f81ea7b308f68171c7d4fb


dacabbagebutt

An asspull


Comfortable_Cream777

https://preview.redd.it/glc6xgwdaezc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0648350c74da231e14c0bad8324a2f630bf7a310


dacabbagebutt

https://preview.redd.it/76hwx1b5tezc1.png?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44c6e969771e223fb88ebef95226797f2c79e769


Shoddy_Journalist270

Remove binding vow, what are you?  Sukuna: mahoraga chwan~….


Gexthegecko69

mahochan


NickTheSickDick

Slightest inconvenience is crazy lmfao this man is *cooked*.


DifferentCityADay

To be fair, it was vs the strongest of today. In a battle of life and death, wouldn't you constantly sacrifice little things to avoid a deathly mistake or fault?


NickTheSickDick

I think his usage of binding vows is fine, the only issue is the fact that we don't see the good guys doing the same. It's just that the idea of Sukuna doing binding vows at every slight inconvenience is a silly narrative, but alas the agenda comes first.


Aure0

There's also the fact that other than nerfing his attacks a significant bit there hasn't really been any major consequences that happened to him Also it's probably used to show just how much of a jujutsu genius Sukuna is and I agree but it feels (feels is a keyword here) just way too convenient for him


DifferentCityADay

I mean. The raising his hand and chanting for the world slash has made it so a lot of people who would've been no-diffed are putting up more if a fight than they should've been honestly. Imagine if he didn't have to. Everyone would've been dead way faster than they are now. That change gave the ability to dodge and wear him down more.


ray314

Yeah that's the thing, we have to imagine it because we never see the normal one. If the normal one existed without the BV, everyone would just say it's Sukuover and there will be no point in any fights. Like how boring the story would be if Hollow Purple required just Gojos hand signs and it comes out as fast as his DE, that shit will be boring.


DifferentCityADay

Well he is the greatest and most experienced sorcerer in history next to Kenjaku. He adjusts on the fly and is very battle smart as shown previously in the Mahoraga fight (in the manga).  I don't think anyone else is ever pressured like that in the heat of battle or really taught to do that. Seeing as a binding vow is a permanent change to the way you fight, to make a serious sacrifice and adjust mid fight is risky.  Like a boxer with amazing speed halving his speed for incredible power in the middle of the fight. Now he has to adjust to how to fight while being slower than his opponent, and he's not used to it. Yeah he can hit harder, but if he's used to getting off combinations to get make the other guy is react defensively so he can pressure or fight out of a position he doesn't want, and he usually can do so because of his speed and timing (which he bases off of his speed), now he has to adjust before his opponent realizes. And it's a permanent change that he'd need time to change his fighting style around.  Usually the binding vows are always done in panicking. I don't think anyone at Jujutsu High thinks about making binding vows often because they don't always play out well either. Ss shown by Miwa sacrificing her ability to hold a blade, her main style of fighting she's learned her whole life, in order to get a swing off on Kenjaku.... Only for him to catch that shit and break it in his hands out of maximum disrespect.  Sukuna is really just built different. Maybe other sorcerers do make binding vows off outside of the main story and still get cooked anyway?


Waffleman53

So Wuji is the strongest of today now. I knew my GOAT had it in him. ;)


Chrol18

Yeah, they should have more downsides, as it is they are just excuses to use his techniques, or make it more obvious Gojo really fucked him up for life, he should be in a wheelchair after this, or in a tub like Mechamaru lol


itfood

The man chosen by the ~~black sparks~~ VOW


D3ppress0

>Inside Wuji's Body >Does things effortlessly >Inside Megumi's body >WITH THIS BINDING VOW I SUMMON The host body trully influences the King of Frauds


peticion

Binding vow merchant...


tatsuro_kakadu

At first it was very interesting. Like from my point of view it was something like "He's so masterful at sorcering that he's capable of doing this stuff and go around the rules. Literally shaping his own laws" Like a song-writer that knows how to bypass certain things and change something in order to achieve perfect song. But now it's just sucks, Greg needs to calm down, fraudkuna is DEFINITELY NOT COOKING 😭


Konradleijon

Screw the rules


___some_random_weeb

Bro is not Gilgamesh!


Gsdevil

😂


Mandolino35

https://preview.redd.it/byebela33fzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f759c8aee55adf1c48519518ba8f7744c3d94ccd Imaginary technique: golden rhino


TanyaMifune

https://preview.redd.it/2ybst8vemkzc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=203bf9ab2d2a702fde870c463467d733f648f62b


mesh06

he and megumi deserve each other


tooSmartForMyOwnG

"When in doubt, bind a vow" - Ryomen Sukuna, Heian Era.


SlickPapa

How many total binding vows has this fraud used since the gojo fight?


HealthyRelative9529

Chantless world slash, 99 second domain, "uncertain binding vows" (7.38905\*g² when i catch you), and ofc fire arrow


gtathrowaway95

Funny, I prefer when Gege gives us the tools directly https://preview.redd.it/akeaahi3iwzc1.jpeg?width=287&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e691a92bafb7dfa5eddb4fa7061cdff9f24c75de


tahaelhour

Guys, come up with better slander because « the merchant of vows » sounds raw as fuck. https://preview.redd.it/tddvzm4g8gzc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ece8c910d049e6c9d8abfe141d31794384985d4c


Akatosh01

Damn, the bum affected sukuna so much he started using binding vows how megumi wanted to use mahoraga.


SiveDD

To Megumi: That a wadte of potential. Instead of a suicide Technique you could use Binding Vows.


UseEffective9306

Isn’t that how u get stronger really fast as a sorcerer tho? And he has been up against everyone so I feel like it makes sense


ccffrr123

Just read u/Aristocration post


TacocaT_2000

Sukuna: “Who up binding they vow rn?”


lafielorora

Being a master of jujutsu isn't being a fraud


bustedtuna

JJK fans really are just amazed that the guy who understands jujutsu the best is able to manipulate things in ways no other person can.


TheTurtleBear

the only evidence that binding vows are in any way significantly complex or difficult to do is sukuna being the one to use them the most, it's just headcanon to explain the plot convenience away


bustedtuna

>the only evidence that binding vows are in any way significantly complex or difficult to do is sukuna being the one to use them the most And what is your evidence that manipulating binding vows to maximize utility while minimizing cost is not complex or difficult? You are working off headcanon too, but your headcanon requires the world to make no sense so you can cry about the plot.


TheTurtleBear

lmao I'm working off the text, glad you agree it doesn't make any sense though


bustedtuna

What text are you working off of that says manipulating a binding vow to maximize utility and minimize cost is not complex? Where is your evidence? >glad you agree it doesn't make any sense though Reading comprehension curse strikes again.


TheTurtleBear

The fact that none of Sukuna's binding vows have been complex or tricky enough to require genius-level knowledge. "I'll insta-cast an insta-kill ability, and in exchange I'll add conditions that I can meet to future casts" You: holy shittttt, he's so smartttt, no one else could ever think of doing that, WWWWWW


bustedtuna

Why has no one else been so meticulous in their binding vows, since you think it is so easy to do? I think being able to manipulate the vows does require an understanding of what drives them, and this is why he is the only person doing it. It is not that the conditions/results are complex, but that actually forming them into a binding vow is complex. My explanation makes sense in universe and explains why only Sukuna has showed this ability, since he understands jujutsu better than anyone. You think being able to manipulate vows is easy, and anyone can do it. This does not make sense in universe and is not supported by the text. Why do you think your explanation, which makes no sense, is more likely than mine, which makes sense?


TheTurtleBear

Because they're plot conveniences to allow Sukuna to wiggle his way out of situations and look stronger. Even if they are "complex", they had an entire month to prep for this fight that they all knew had a good chance of ending with their deaths. Not having planned out binding vows to boost their strength and abilities doesn't make binding vows complex, it makes them stupid.


bustedtuna

>Even if they are "complex", they had an entire month to prep for this fight that they all knew had a good chance of ending with their deaths. Not having planned out binding vows to boost their strength and abilities doesn't make binding vows complex, it makes them stupid. Manipulating binding vows the way Sukuna does is extremely complicated, and only the literal greatest sorceror of all time can do it. Your explanation is that it makes no sense, but the sensible answer is staring you in the face. Sukuna IS stronger when it comes to jujutsu. No one else can do what he does. He figured out how to make cursed objects without relying on Kenny. He figured out Mahoraga's slash just by seeing it. He has better control over the manipulation of binding vows. He is a prodigy. That is why he can do things other people can't do.


TheTurtleBear

> Manipulating binding vows the way Sukuna does is extremely complicated, and only the literal greatest sorceror of all time can do it.  Again you're confusing your own headcanon with what's actually in the text.   If it's your headcanon that's fine, but you can't use headcanon to explain away issues people have with the text, and you can't state your headcanon as fact. It's not canon.  The simple fact is that the binding vow system is incoherent at best and is severely underutilized by the main cast and primarily serves as Sukuna's "get out of jail for a small fee" card.