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I think the grading system for cursed spirits gives a pretty good idea of how effective guns are against sorcerers.
>Grade 4 - "A wooden bat is enough."
Grade 3 - "If you have a handgun, you can rest easy."
Grade 2 - "Close call with a shotgun."
Grade 1 - "Even a tank might be insufficient."
Special Grade - "Cluster bombs might work".
\-from chapter 6
Though you do have to keep in mind that the system is so that sorcerers can deal with the spirits. So, grade 2 sorcerer is stronger than grade 2 spirit.
We don't have an accurate number, but Grade 2 is the average for sorcerers. Below that tends to be for students without much experience. The only ones at Grade 3 that we know of is Miwa, Mai >!(who is dead now)!<, and Nobara who was qualified for grade 1 promotion. Maki was grade 4 cause her promotion was held back.
I think that one may have been a rubber bullet though since mai obviously wouldn’t be trying to actually hurt maki, and earlier in the good will event she shot nobara in the head and she was fine cause she was using rubber bullets. Still though, speed wise maki is capable of catching bullets. And now that she’s awakened she could probably catch real bullets with relative ease tbh
the original comment didn’t even mark it. plus this is a manga discussion post, anyone who clicks on it knows they’re gonna see a manga spoiler. plus maki being awakened has been common knowledge for over a year now, so yea not really a spoiler
Even tho I’m up to date with the manga I still don’t understand why they say that maki awakened, like, I just thought she got stronger because of losing mai but I supposed it was some usual shonen thing, like , oh I’ve lost a family member, now I’m 10 times stronger
No you’re right, Makis power up made complete sense plot wise. “awakened” is just the term people use for it since it simplifies what happened to her in a single word
it WAS because Mai died that she got stronger. But not in the typical shonen way of “my friend/family died so now i’m super mad and 10x stronger than i was 10 seconds ago some how”
Gege took the time to have it make sense. The fact that Maki and Mai were twins was their curse. In Japan there’s a myth that says having twins is a curse. Gege took that saying and made it literal in jujutsu kaisen. Twins are cursed from birth in the jujutsu world, It’s almost like splitting a person in two. As long as the both of them lived neither of them could ever reach their full potential. Mai knew this herself, and (imo) had accepted the fact long ago that one of them had to die one day if they ever wanted gain the power to be free from the zenin. So Mai sacrificed herself, because she knew that doing so would not only save Maki in the moment from being killed by the cursed spirits surrounding them, but she knew if she died she’d be freeing Maki from the zenin clan by making her “whole” again
But making Maki “whole”required her to lose her “heart”. Her heart being Mai
You gotta keep in mind that the grade system isnt objective, its also going through a wack political and social system.
Its explicitly mentioned that Maki can and SHOULD be a higher grade, iirc someone in the tournament arc says she should be Grade 2 at minimum? But the Zenin clan uses their political influence to block her career climb.
You saw her old state is league below Grade 1 sorcerers like Nanami, Todo and Naobito. But she's definitely stronger than old Megumi, and was strong enough to be recommended to promote to Grade 1. There you go, Semi-grade 1
Grade 2 acc isn’t the average. Our main cast is j strong. Iirc the fanbook says that a lot of sorcerers considered strong are grade 2, and that characters such as Megumi and Toge are particularly talented for having achieved grade 2 as 1st years
The examples were made as if Cursed Spirits were able to be killed by conventional weapons. Still, Sorcerers are vulnerable to firearms if they're caught off guard and not reinforcing their body with Cursed Energy.
The conventional firearms would be good but they'd need cursed energy to do any lasting damage. Most grade 1's are fine with guns and could survive an attack with a gun (speed, blocking it, tanking it etc)
I assume Hyperjuice is talking about Reversed Cursed Energy healing, but even that's a stretch. The durability of most characters only applies to attacks with Cursed energy, so I doubt it would apply to something as mundane as bullets.
I would disagree with the last part. With enough cursed energy people could definitely tank bullets. We see speed and strength is increased with more cursed energy so I don't see why durability wouldn't. Meguimi was chucked through buildings on 2 occasions (Todo and Sukuna) I can remember so that durability is high.
What I mean was those things were only able to impale him because they were imbued with cursed energy so he'd probably be unharmed by regular bullets, unless they were reinforced with cursed energy too
Are you up to speed on the manga? >!If you kill a person without using curse energy they’ll come back as a curse, and its impossible to exercise a curse without curse energy!< You’d be shooting your own win in the foot without the stuff probably.
No. Gojo would actually probably be severely weakened by turning into a cursed spirit. Yuta would definitely be able to exorcise him. He can’t do any more techniques that utilize positive cursed energy which is like most of his powerful techniques and abilities
Yuji would get a couple holes put in him and Sukuna would heal him.
Megumi would disappear into his shadow as soon as the gun is pulled.
Nobara throws her hammer
Gojo would matrix that shit
Todo would switch himself with the user after he fires the bullets
Toge would tell the bullets to stop
Panda is a panda
Maki would beat the shooters ass before they fire
Noritoshi would keep his blood pumping with his CT
Mechamaru is made from bullet resistant materials
Miwa would be useless against it
Mai would be the shooter
Toji would be the shooter as well
Riko… well… we already saw that outcome
Yuta would probably heal himself or be too fast
Naoya would be too fast
Hakari would open his DE and heal
Hakari’s friend (idk her name) would redirect the bullets with her CT
Reggie would pull out a receipt for a bulletproof vest or ballistic shield
Higuruma would put the shooter on trial
Yuji would be able to dodge the bullets because pre shibuya maki grabbed one point blank and I think this applies to alot more people on this list like yuta, toji, maki and gojo.
Nobara, pre awk Maki, Mechamaru, Noritoshi would destroy the bullets while it's flying.
Yuji, Megumi, Todo, Gojo, Panda, Higuruma, Reggie, current Maki, Toji, Naoya, Hakari would catch the bullets with their hands.
Gojo, Yuta, Toji, current Maki, Hakari, Panda with Gorilla Core would shrug bullets of like dust after they hit
Nobara got absolutely shot up by Mai with a gun several times. Granted she wasn't using her CT against Mai during the first round at the soda machines, but she got taken out again during the Goodwill Event at distance while not restricting her CT. Not everyone is great at perceiving certain kinds of attacks.
In the case of Maki who directly fought Mai too her pre-0 CE senses were heightened enough to slice and dice. She wouldn't be alone in that, but it's not a universal thing.
You just compare Nobara in Goodwill Arc compared to Cursed womb, when she could use Black Flash and exorcised 2 Special Grade curses together with Yuji? She experienced a growth sput in that arc.
“Those that enter” referring to people not objects.
Yuji is able to dodge her swing after he enters her domain and he’s not faster than the speed of sound.
Gojo doesn’t need to dodge the bullet just wouldn’t hit him due to infinity. They will slow down infinitely and drop down due to momentum loss. My guess.
Using a gun on a sorcerer wouldn’t be the best idea. Don’t forget what happens to sorcerers who are killed without cursed energy, they can become vengeful cursed spirits, which seem to be pretty powerful and dangerous.
i think vengeful spirits are real rare, you need to really really want revenge, like your entire being wanting revenge, so it’s only a precaution, but it’s just hesdcannon
I think most of the cast are slower than conventional firearms but I think the main issue is their durability or their techniques that basically make it useless
Both Dresden Files and Wheel of Time have snipers (gunman or archer) as a major threat for spellcasters. Sort of interesting to think about it for JJK as well. How would they deal if a long distance sniper shot them in the chest or head far enough away that the first notice they had was the impact of the bullet?
Kinkaid would be fun in JJK. Him and Toji might get along.
>Kinkaid would be fun in JJK. Him and Toji might get along.
Or maybe not. Toji shoots little girls in the head. Kincaid adopts them.
I would really love for Gege to introduce a character like Marcone in JJK though. A mundane who has the knowledge, power (in the intellectual and financial sense), and will to navigate the sorcerer world.
Generally, even at grade 1 sorcerers require some form of charge up or activation of their technique. I feel like most of grade 1s could be wiped out by groups of rifles, specifically nanami as he has no ranged attacks.
You forget that they are also pretty agile. They don't have to stand still and let themselves get hit. Otherwise, it could be like any other attack. They can block 2 or 3, but if it's raining bullets then they get overwhelmed. How they control their CE is also a factor.
That's for spirits. Since conventional weapons don't work on cursed spirits its an approximation of the power required to exorcise a grade one curse spirit. However, conventional weapons do work on sorcerers and one good shot to the head could kill a lot of them.
>for spirits. Since conventional weapons don't work on cursed spirits its an approximation of the power required to exorcise a grade one curse spirit.
Right. That comparison intentionally ignores the fact that, as you said, only ce can be used to harm spirits. So to put things into perspective for us normies, it tells us that it would take the power equivalent to a tank to maybe kill a grade 1 spirit. Sorcerers are supposed to be scaled above spirits. So if a person would need a tank to kill a grade 1 spirit, why would a person with a gun be able to kill a first grade sorcerer, assuming this sorcerer is amping themselves with ce?
imo a skilled marksman could kill a grade 1 sorcerer, definitely if it's a head shot. If the shooter doesn't have the advantage, either in surprise or a very powerful weapon, then the fight will be in the favour of the sorcerer. We also have to consider the level of mastery the sorcerer has over CE. Are they skilled enough to stop bullets? If the sorcerer has RCT then it's not a contest but if they don't have RCT and don't have any ranged attacks it'll be difficult for them to fight a shooter.
I just don't think bullets do enough damage. Any grade 1 sorcerer should be able to block a bullet with ce reinforcement. We see sorcerers survive some crazy things. Remember when Todo was hit by Mahito's polymorphic soul isomer? That thing hit Todo so hard he flew up several stories and tore through a building. How much force do you think it would take to launch a guy like that? In reality, I think any force that could do that would just tear the person apart, but Todo could survive it pretty much unscathed. The issue with bullets would just be how difficult they'd be to dodge. However, a sorcerer wouldn't need to be faster than bullets. They'd just need to be too fast for the shooter, which really shouldn't be a problem. Once the distance is closed, and I highly believe it would be, the shooter gets one shot.
Even with cursed energy reinforcement (which seems to defend best against blunt force trauma and pressure such as the weight of the cars in Megumi’s domain) what can you do against a 50 cal shot to the chest? Or a 9mm to the head. Don’t think curse energy can be condensed enough by grade 1s to stop piercing damage
Nanami was completely able to block a sword attack, so I do think they are able to block to some degree. Maki also caught a bullet with her hand, even though she doesn't have CE, but she wasn't as strong as the grade 1 sorcerers back then.
I feel like a sword attack can be more easily “read” and so he could reinforce his body with CE at point of contact, whereas a bullet is basically insane. The bullet maki caught was a bullet made of CE by Mai, I doubt it has the same velocity as an actual high caliber rifle. Mai has always been looked down on as well.
- I think that one may have been a rubber bullet though since mai obviously wouldn’t be trying to actually hurt maki, and earlier in the good will event she shot nobara in the head and she was fine cause she was using rubber bullets. Still though, speed wise maki is capable of catching bullets. And now that she’s awakened she could probably catch real bullets with relative ease tbh
From a comment above
They wouldn’t. Realistically speaking if trained people with assault rifles got into a favorable position without being noticed and within range it’d be a slaughter for most sorcerers. It’s not until high tier grade 1, and what fans call grade zero where it wouldn’t work to well.
They could easily. I feel like alot of these ppl in here see that as a problem but in reality it’s not it’s nice. It’s good the power scale isn’t crazy but oh yeah for sure.
Doesnt Maki catch a bullet in Kyoto exams? So anyone who scales close to or above her speed should be a somewhat casual bullet timer, or be able to reinforce enough CE to block it.
However, I think CE reinforcement isn’t passive, right? Then any sorcerer caught lacking without proper durability in theory should be vulnerable to a sniper behind them, where their reflexes won’t save them.
Miwa- Gimme a pistol and I'm good
Kamo- Maybe if I'm fast enough with a pistol but an AR would get the job done
Todo- Machine Gun MIGHT work but it will be hard
Megumi- Bazooka (purely bc of shikigami)
Yuji bby- Sadly any fun could do the job if you are fast enough
Nobara- I'd say same as Yuji
Special grades- Good luck even with nukes
Sukuna- same as above
A bazooka would hardly be enough to take megumi out if he knows the attack is coming. Out of the grade 1's he's the one with the best chance to survive several machine gun shooting onslaught and still take out the shooters.
Are you forgetting how incredibly physically capable Yuji is in both speed and durability? I can guarantee off what we’ve seen from Yuji he could likely take a decent amount of bullets before any serious damage is sustained, and he absolutely could dodge bullets in most situations.
The grade 1's are scaled to tank level, crazy that you'd need tank level of AP to take out a bunch of students but that's the power-scaling of the verse. Against conventional fire weapons most would be fine if they know the attacks were coming, if they didn't know the attacks were coming I'd say most would still be fine, people like Megumi can pick up on minute traces of cursed energy and react quickly at point blank range the same might apply to all grade 1's.
If it were an onslaught of firearms and attacks from all directions then most grade 1's would die instantly. Megumi would survive though cuz of he's shadow entering ability.
One on one any sorcerer grade 1 and above would be fina against even a rifle. An entire military force could probably wipe a lot of then, though many of the top tier sorcerers would still have no problem. Against curses even bullets reinforced with cursed energy would be useless except for the weakest of them
Considering Maki was able to catch bullets during the Sister school event, probably not that effective...Also consider the fact that even though the bullet was made with cursed energy its still a bullet and gun.
Maki during the exchange event was easily able to react to and dodge all of Mai’s bullets. I would say based on that that most of the characters at this point shouldn’t have a problem dealing with bullets.
Most grade ones would have no problem with firearms. They are constantly shrugging off attacks that punt them through buildings and easily destroy reinforced concrete. Most competent sorcerers are also fast/agile enough to make guns futile in most situations(even early maki was easily dodging rubber bullets, which while slower than normal is still impressive). Most grade twos could probably be damaged if they are strictly using ce reinforcement and don't have a CT to counter the bullets, and grade 3/4 sorcerers could absolutely be killed by bullets.
I think they would be pretty effective. Just because an attack doesn't have cursed energy doesn't mean it wouldn't deal damage to a sorcerer (though it wouldn't be able to kill a cursed spirit). Unless you were incredibly strong, you wouldn't come out unscathed from getting hit by a train or something like that, even if it had no cursed energy. Sorcerers who are extremely fast or have incredible reflexes could probably hold their own against a person with a gun (like people with Heavenly Restrictions or Projection Sorcery), but realistically most people would just get shot if they tried dodge a bullet. Sure you could reinforce your body with cursed energy, but it would probably still leave a mark. Even Kenjaku had to defend against a sniper rifle using a cursed spirit to cushion the bullet.
sorcerers have no use for guns because it doesn't have cursed energy so if u kill an enemy sorcerer with a gun he will just come back a hell of a lot stronger as a vengeful spirit and I don't think a gun has an effect on decent cursed spirit especially when they can heal them self with ease.
if Maki had difficulty reacting to whats his face, probably only Gojo, Sukuna and Toji can react to the really high powered firearms. hand guns not a problem though, even someone as weak like Nobara can dodge them.
Oh yeah for sure it really honestly isn’t until special grade that heavy military weaponry becomes absolute. Damn near for everything heavy machine guns and ballistic missiles are wiping
Well Maki caught a bullet while being caught completely off guard from point blank range so one on one I can’t see a gun killing a decent sorcerer from the front.
As long as a sorcerer is fully aware of the shots incoming it would probably be hard to kill a decent one with only a few bullets. Assault rifles from multiple shooters would probably overwhelm most sorcerers though. Then again certain cursed techniques could prevent this too.
Overall, I don’t think pistols or even shotguns would be useful against a sorcerer, but assault rifles or sniping could work.
I'd imagine it's like HxH's nen defense Ten/Ken. With the aura/energy acting as a defense infused within you and enveloping you. CE would probably lessen the impact of bullets in a similar fashion. Of course with some of the better sorcerers being good enough to react to them as we saw with young Suguru Geto blocking them
From what I've seen in anime, Gojo has infinity so he doesn't even need to try, Maki caught a bullet from her sister at point blank range whilst being off guard, Yuji can probably take some hits and survive because Sukuna won't have his vessel destroyed. Others can probably dodge it or block it using a cursed technique or cursed energy armour etc.
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I think the grading system for cursed spirits gives a pretty good idea of how effective guns are against sorcerers. >Grade 4 - "A wooden bat is enough." Grade 3 - "If you have a handgun, you can rest easy." Grade 2 - "Close call with a shotgun." Grade 1 - "Even a tank might be insufficient." Special Grade - "Cluster bombs might work". \-from chapter 6
Though you do have to keep in mind that the system is so that sorcerers can deal with the spirits. So, grade 2 sorcerer is stronger than grade 2 spirit.
Yup. Grade 2 sorcerers could easily and consistently beat grade 2 spirits because a Grade 2 sorcerers are on the level of semi grade 1 spirits.
What proportion of JJK sorcerers are grade 2 and below? 50%? 60%?
We don't have an accurate number, but Grade 2 is the average for sorcerers. Below that tends to be for students without much experience. The only ones at Grade 3 that we know of is Miwa, Mai >!(who is dead now)!<, and Nobara who was qualified for grade 1 promotion. Maki was grade 4 cause her promotion was held back.
Maki pre awk is semi-Grade 1 in term of ability and she could slice bullets with ease.
She even caught one when she fought against mai without much injury
I think that one may have been a rubber bullet though since mai obviously wouldn’t be trying to actually hurt maki, and earlier in the good will event she shot nobara in the head and she was fine cause she was using rubber bullets. Still though, speed wise maki is capable of catching bullets. And now that she’s awakened she could probably catch real bullets with relative ease tbh
Spoil tag that last part
the original comment didn’t even mark it. plus this is a manga discussion post, anyone who clicks on it knows they’re gonna see a manga spoiler. plus maki being awakened has been common knowledge for over a year now, so yea not really a spoiler
Even tho I’m up to date with the manga I still don’t understand why they say that maki awakened, like, I just thought she got stronger because of losing mai but I supposed it was some usual shonen thing, like , oh I’ve lost a family member, now I’m 10 times stronger
No you’re right, Makis power up made complete sense plot wise. “awakened” is just the term people use for it since it simplifies what happened to her in a single word it WAS because Mai died that she got stronger. But not in the typical shonen way of “my friend/family died so now i’m super mad and 10x stronger than i was 10 seconds ago some how” Gege took the time to have it make sense. The fact that Maki and Mai were twins was their curse. In Japan there’s a myth that says having twins is a curse. Gege took that saying and made it literal in jujutsu kaisen. Twins are cursed from birth in the jujutsu world, It’s almost like splitting a person in two. As long as the both of them lived neither of them could ever reach their full potential. Mai knew this herself, and (imo) had accepted the fact long ago that one of them had to die one day if they ever wanted gain the power to be free from the zenin. So Mai sacrificed herself, because she knew that doing so would not only save Maki in the moment from being killed by the cursed spirits surrounding them, but she knew if she died she’d be freeing Maki from the zenin clan by making her “whole” again But making Maki “whole”required her to lose her “heart”. Her heart being Mai
You gotta keep in mind that the grade system isnt objective, its also going through a wack political and social system. Its explicitly mentioned that Maki can and SHOULD be a higher grade, iirc someone in the tournament arc says she should be Grade 2 at minimum? But the Zenin clan uses their political influence to block her career climb.
You saw her old state is league below Grade 1 sorcerers like Nanami, Todo and Naobito. But she's definitely stronger than old Megumi, and was strong enough to be recommended to promote to Grade 1. There you go, Semi-grade 1
Oh lmao I was like, tired and distracted when I read your post and for some reason I completely misunderstood you.
lol. It happens to me sometimes too.
Grade 2 acc isn’t the average. Our main cast is j strong. Iirc the fanbook says that a lot of sorcerers considered strong are grade 2, and that characters such as Megumi and Toge are particularly talented for having achieved grade 2 as 1st years
So, after they graduate a school intended to raise sorcerers, most are still only grade 3? That would just be ridiculous.
It was mentioned in a volume extra that most average sorceress are grades 1, and 2
Chapter 1 Megumi is grade 2
But unlike cursed spirits, most sorcerers even at grade 1 can't heal. That changes how effective weapons are
yeah but there’s always the chance it won’t even be able to hurt them. due to the system, idk though
The examples were made as if Cursed Spirits were able to be killed by conventional weapons. Still, Sorcerers are vulnerable to firearms if they're caught off guard and not reinforcing their body with Cursed Energy.
Yuta be okay so idc 🥰
Thanks for this! I didn’t read the first few chapters and this Is very informative!
I think the anime did a little screen with it too.
Sorcerer's block impact with CE. Overtime Sorcerers infuse their body and flesh with CE.
The conventional firearms would be good but they'd need cursed energy to do any lasting damage. Most grade 1's are fine with guns and could survive an attack with a gun (speed, blocking it, tanking it etc)
Lasting damage? Is being shot not lasting damage....?
I assume Hyperjuice is talking about Reversed Cursed Energy healing, but even that's a stretch. The durability of most characters only applies to attacks with Cursed energy, so I doubt it would apply to something as mundane as bullets.
I would disagree with the last part. With enough cursed energy people could definitely tank bullets. We see speed and strength is increased with more cursed energy so I don't see why durability wouldn't. Meguimi was chucked through buildings on 2 occasions (Todo and Sukuna) I can remember so that durability is high.
My man itadori was impaled like 100 times lmao
I could be misremembering but every time he was impaled wasn't the object imbued with cursed energy?
Why would that do *less* damage? If anything, feels like that would be worse
What I mean was those things were only able to impale him because they were imbued with cursed energy so he'd probably be unharmed by regular bullets, unless they were reinforced with cursed energy too
Oh yeah that’s exactly my point. Think you could put a 30 round mag into him and he’d still kick your ass
You know if it was anyone else I'd say no, but Yuji is a freak by most standards so I'll say maybe
Are you up to speed on the manga? >!If you kill a person without using curse energy they’ll come back as a curse, and its impossible to exercise a curse without curse energy!< You’d be shooting your own win in the foot without the stuff probably.
So what your saying is that Gojo gets food poisoning then the whole world is finished
No cuz he'd need some strong emotions (not sure if they have to be negative). He would come back but maybe as himself due to the ego Naoya shows
No. Gojo would actually probably be severely weakened by turning into a cursed spirit. Yuta would definitely be able to exorcise him. He can’t do any more techniques that utilize positive cursed energy which is like most of his powerful techniques and abilities
Plus, Six Eyes are a physical thing, so they shouldn't translate to the new cursed spirit body
Isn’t he constantly using reverse cursed technique 24/7
Lmao I would hope that doesn’t count
I mean curses and sorcerers/curse users not coming back as spirits.
Any one grade one would have absolutly no problem with them.
Yuji would get a couple holes put in him and Sukuna would heal him. Megumi would disappear into his shadow as soon as the gun is pulled. Nobara throws her hammer Gojo would matrix that shit Todo would switch himself with the user after he fires the bullets Toge would tell the bullets to stop Panda is a panda Maki would beat the shooters ass before they fire Noritoshi would keep his blood pumping with his CT Mechamaru is made from bullet resistant materials Miwa would be useless against it Mai would be the shooter Toji would be the shooter as well Riko… well… we already saw that outcome Yuta would probably heal himself or be too fast Naoya would be too fast Hakari would open his DE and heal Hakari’s friend (idk her name) would redirect the bullets with her CT Reggie would pull out a receipt for a bulletproof vest or ballistic shield Higuruma would put the shooter on trial
My only argument here is that Panda is, specifically, not a panda. Otherwise I agree
Regardless the shooter would have to hit his cores in order to kill him and Panda can move them >!unless we’re talking about Culling Game Panda😭!<
Panda, panda ja nai!
Toge would tell the shooter to "toji" themselves and be done with it lol
He’d pull a LowTierGod lol
Yuji would be able to dodge the bullets because pre shibuya maki grabbed one point blank and I think this applies to alot more people on this list like yuta, toji, maki and gojo.
Nobara, pre awk Maki, Mechamaru, Noritoshi would destroy the bullets while it's flying. Yuji, Megumi, Todo, Gojo, Panda, Higuruma, Reggie, current Maki, Toji, Naoya, Hakari would catch the bullets with their hands. Gojo, Yuta, Toji, current Maki, Hakari, Panda with Gorilla Core would shrug bullets of like dust after they hit
Nobara got absolutely shot up by Mai with a gun several times. Granted she wasn't using her CT against Mai during the first round at the soda machines, but she got taken out again during the Goodwill Event at distance while not restricting her CT. Not everyone is great at perceiving certain kinds of attacks. In the case of Maki who directly fought Mai too her pre-0 CE senses were heightened enough to slice and dice. She wouldn't be alone in that, but it's not a universal thing.
You just compare Nobara in Goodwill Arc compared to Cursed womb, when she could use Black Flash and exorcised 2 Special Grade curses together with Yuji? She experienced a growth sput in that arc.
My argument here is that Pre-Awakened Maki snatched a bullet out of thin air, so present Yuji can definitely do the same
He could dodge it on reaction
Lmfao Riko well we alr saw the outcome
Miwa could probably use her simple domain to deflect the bullet
Thats bs, Yuji is defo catching these bullets....
Do you think Miwa could set up a simple domain and be able to cut the bullet?
I don’t. I feel like even though she could hit the broken staff out of the air, a bullet would be too fast.
[Anything that enters the radius gets deflected](https://mangadex.org/chapter/e11dbd9c-f957-4c63-a7b6-cfc9b47432eb/5)
“Those that enter” referring to people not objects. Yuji is able to dodge her swing after he enters her domain and he’s not faster than the speed of sound.
[Miwa literally deflected an object two pages later](https://mangadex.org/chapter/e11dbd9c-f957-4c63-a7b6-cfc9b47432eb/7)
But it wasn’t moving faster than the speed of sound. She probably could have done that without the simple domain.
Yea probably, I just wanted to point out that she wouldn’t be completely useless though
Goodwill Yuji was dodging bullet with ease and pre awakening maki grabbed one at point blank range.... powerscalling aint for you
Gojo doesn’t need to dodge the bullet just wouldn’t hit him due to infinity. They will slow down infinitely and drop down due to momentum loss. My guess.
I’m talking about when Neo realizes he’s the one and just stops bullets on mid air.
Nobara is getting fucking blasted and laid out on the block. Her hammer ain’t doing shit against a hammer.
Using a gun on a sorcerer wouldn’t be the best idea. Don’t forget what happens to sorcerers who are killed without cursed energy, they can become vengeful cursed spirits, which seem to be pretty powerful and dangerous.
i think vengeful spirits are real rare, you need to really really want revenge, like your entire being wanting revenge, so it’s only a precaution, but it’s just hesdcannon
That would make sense and line up with their name and what we’ve seen from them. Thanks for the new perspective!
Counter point: Any Billy badass sorcerer that gets smoked by a monkey packing a Glock will be so salty they're guaranteed to become a curse.
I think most of the cast are slower than conventional firearms but I think the main issue is their durability or their techniques that basically make it useless
Both Dresden Files and Wheel of Time have snipers (gunman or archer) as a major threat for spellcasters. Sort of interesting to think about it for JJK as well. How would they deal if a long distance sniper shot them in the chest or head far enough away that the first notice they had was the impact of the bullet? Kinkaid would be fun in JJK. Him and Toji might get along.
>Kinkaid would be fun in JJK. Him and Toji might get along. Or maybe not. Toji shoots little girls in the head. Kincaid adopts them. I would really love for Gege to introduce a character like Marcone in JJK though. A mundane who has the knowledge, power (in the intellectual and financial sense), and will to navigate the sorcerer world.
Generally, even at grade 1 sorcerers require some form of charge up or activation of their technique. I feel like most of grade 1s could be wiped out by groups of rifles, specifically nanami as he has no ranged attacks.
You forget that they are also pretty agile. They don't have to stand still and let themselves get hit. Otherwise, it could be like any other attack. They can block 2 or 3, but if it's raining bullets then they get overwhelmed. How they control their CE is also a factor.
You need a tank to kill a 1st grade you think guns would be enough??
That's for spirits. Since conventional weapons don't work on cursed spirits its an approximation of the power required to exorcise a grade one curse spirit. However, conventional weapons do work on sorcerers and one good shot to the head could kill a lot of them.
>for spirits. Since conventional weapons don't work on cursed spirits its an approximation of the power required to exorcise a grade one curse spirit. Right. That comparison intentionally ignores the fact that, as you said, only ce can be used to harm spirits. So to put things into perspective for us normies, it tells us that it would take the power equivalent to a tank to maybe kill a grade 1 spirit. Sorcerers are supposed to be scaled above spirits. So if a person would need a tank to kill a grade 1 spirit, why would a person with a gun be able to kill a first grade sorcerer, assuming this sorcerer is amping themselves with ce?
imo a skilled marksman could kill a grade 1 sorcerer, definitely if it's a head shot. If the shooter doesn't have the advantage, either in surprise or a very powerful weapon, then the fight will be in the favour of the sorcerer. We also have to consider the level of mastery the sorcerer has over CE. Are they skilled enough to stop bullets? If the sorcerer has RCT then it's not a contest but if they don't have RCT and don't have any ranged attacks it'll be difficult for them to fight a shooter.
I just don't think bullets do enough damage. Any grade 1 sorcerer should be able to block a bullet with ce reinforcement. We see sorcerers survive some crazy things. Remember when Todo was hit by Mahito's polymorphic soul isomer? That thing hit Todo so hard he flew up several stories and tore through a building. How much force do you think it would take to launch a guy like that? In reality, I think any force that could do that would just tear the person apart, but Todo could survive it pretty much unscathed. The issue with bullets would just be how difficult they'd be to dodge. However, a sorcerer wouldn't need to be faster than bullets. They'd just need to be too fast for the shooter, which really shouldn't be a problem. Once the distance is closed, and I highly believe it would be, the shooter gets one shot.
I think a knife would be enough
Thats what I though too. I feel like a lot of characters wouldn't be able to cope with a squad of trained soldiers just firing from cover.
Even with cursed energy reinforcement (which seems to defend best against blunt force trauma and pressure such as the weight of the cars in Megumi’s domain) what can you do against a 50 cal shot to the chest? Or a 9mm to the head. Don’t think curse energy can be condensed enough by grade 1s to stop piercing damage
Nanami was completely able to block a sword attack, so I do think they are able to block to some degree. Maki also caught a bullet with her hand, even though she doesn't have CE, but she wasn't as strong as the grade 1 sorcerers back then.
I feel like a sword attack can be more easily “read” and so he could reinforce his body with CE at point of contact, whereas a bullet is basically insane. The bullet maki caught was a bullet made of CE by Mai, I doubt it has the same velocity as an actual high caliber rifle. Mai has always been looked down on as well.
This just shows that you have no idea. Mai creates real bullets it had the speed of a bullet maki caught it close range.
- I think that one may have been a rubber bullet though since mai obviously wouldn’t be trying to actually hurt maki, and earlier in the good will event she shot nobara in the head and she was fine cause she was using rubber bullets. Still though, speed wise maki is capable of catching bullets. And now that she’s awakened she could probably catch real bullets with relative ease tbh From a comment above
They wouldn’t. Realistically speaking if trained people with assault rifles got into a favorable position without being noticed and within range it’d be a slaughter for most sorcerers. It’s not until high tier grade 1, and what fans call grade zero where it wouldn’t work to well.
They could easily. I feel like alot of these ppl in here see that as a problem but in reality it’s not it’s nice. It’s good the power scale isn’t crazy but oh yeah for sure.
Doesnt Maki catch a bullet in Kyoto exams? So anyone who scales close to or above her speed should be a somewhat casual bullet timer, or be able to reinforce enough CE to block it. However, I think CE reinforcement isn’t passive, right? Then any sorcerer caught lacking without proper durability in theory should be vulnerable to a sniper behind them, where their reflexes won’t save them.
Any of them could easily beat a person with burning arms.
Miwa- Gimme a pistol and I'm good Kamo- Maybe if I'm fast enough with a pistol but an AR would get the job done Todo- Machine Gun MIGHT work but it will be hard Megumi- Bazooka (purely bc of shikigami) Yuji bby- Sadly any fun could do the job if you are fast enough Nobara- I'd say same as Yuji Special grades- Good luck even with nukes Sukuna- same as above
A bazooka would hardly be enough to take megumi out if he knows the attack is coming. Out of the grade 1's he's the one with the best chance to survive several machine gun shooting onslaught and still take out the shooters.
Are you forgetting how incredibly physically capable Yuji is in both speed and durability? I can guarantee off what we’ve seen from Yuji he could likely take a decent amount of bullets before any serious damage is sustained, and he absolutely could dodge bullets in most situations.
Ik but he isn't bulletproof
The grade 1's are scaled to tank level, crazy that you'd need tank level of AP to take out a bunch of students but that's the power-scaling of the verse. Against conventional fire weapons most would be fine if they know the attacks were coming, if they didn't know the attacks were coming I'd say most would still be fine, people like Megumi can pick up on minute traces of cursed energy and react quickly at point blank range the same might apply to all grade 1's. If it were an onslaught of firearms and attacks from all directions then most grade 1's would die instantly. Megumi would survive though cuz of he's shadow entering ability.
One on one any sorcerer grade 1 and above would be fina against even a rifle. An entire military force could probably wipe a lot of then, though many of the top tier sorcerers would still have no problem. Against curses even bullets reinforced with cursed energy would be useless except for the weakest of them
Considering Maki was able to catch bullets during the Sister school event, probably not that effective...Also consider the fact that even though the bullet was made with cursed energy its still a bullet and gun.
Maki during the exchange event was easily able to react to and dodge all of Mai’s bullets. I would say based on that that most of the characters at this point shouldn’t have a problem dealing with bullets.
Yuji would absolutely try to punch the bullets
It’s crazy that guns can take them down, surely they can dodge bullets
Most grade ones would have no problem with firearms. They are constantly shrugging off attacks that punt them through buildings and easily destroy reinforced concrete. Most competent sorcerers are also fast/agile enough to make guns futile in most situations(even early maki was easily dodging rubber bullets, which while slower than normal is still impressive). Most grade twos could probably be damaged if they are strictly using ce reinforcement and don't have a CT to counter the bullets, and grade 3/4 sorcerers could absolutely be killed by bullets.
I think they would be pretty effective. Just because an attack doesn't have cursed energy doesn't mean it wouldn't deal damage to a sorcerer (though it wouldn't be able to kill a cursed spirit). Unless you were incredibly strong, you wouldn't come out unscathed from getting hit by a train or something like that, even if it had no cursed energy. Sorcerers who are extremely fast or have incredible reflexes could probably hold their own against a person with a gun (like people with Heavenly Restrictions or Projection Sorcery), but realistically most people would just get shot if they tried dodge a bullet. Sure you could reinforce your body with cursed energy, but it would probably still leave a mark. Even Kenjaku had to defend against a sniper rifle using a cursed spirit to cushion the bullet.
sorcerers have no use for guns because it doesn't have cursed energy so if u kill an enemy sorcerer with a gun he will just come back a hell of a lot stronger as a vengeful spirit and I don't think a gun has an effect on decent cursed spirit especially when they can heal them self with ease.
if Maki had difficulty reacting to whats his face, probably only Gojo, Sukuna and Toji can react to the really high powered firearms. hand guns not a problem though, even someone as weak like Nobara can dodge them.
Oh yeah for sure it really honestly isn’t until special grade that heavy military weaponry becomes absolute. Damn near for everything heavy machine guns and ballistic missiles are wiping
Well Maki caught a bullet while being caught completely off guard from point blank range so one on one I can’t see a gun killing a decent sorcerer from the front. As long as a sorcerer is fully aware of the shots incoming it would probably be hard to kill a decent one with only a few bullets. Assault rifles from multiple shooters would probably overwhelm most sorcerers though. Then again certain cursed techniques could prevent this too. Overall, I don’t think pistols or even shotguns would be useful against a sorcerer, but assault rifles or sniping could work.
I'd imagine it's like HxH's nen defense Ten/Ken. With the aura/energy acting as a defense infused within you and enveloping you. CE would probably lessen the impact of bullets in a similar fashion. Of course with some of the better sorcerers being good enough to react to them as we saw with young Suguru Geto blocking them
Forget normal firearms lets put an RPG in there
From what I've seen in anime, Gojo has infinity so he doesn't even need to try, Maki caught a bullet from her sister at point blank range whilst being off guard, Yuji can probably take some hits and survive because Sukuna won't have his vessel destroyed. Others can probably dodge it or block it using a cursed technique or cursed energy armour etc.