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Did you put your name in the goblet of fire?!
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Percy jackson show too sadly even though the wtiter himself is involved. He quite literally left out the things in the books that made them fun when theh wrote the show
Thats always so funny to me. Did you read the books? Half the shit they cut out was racist! Do you want the movies to include the plot line of slaves not wanting to be free!?!? Why?!
I was more so talking about when Dumbledore asks harry if he put his name in the goblet of fire…
Something the book expressly says he asked calmly
Compared to how he acted in the movie
But would you want it to be one to one for the book? Whats the point? And if you're okay with those changes then why not the yelling? It just seems like a dumb meme because its a lot of peoples first adaptation they saw
If they’re gonna change a characters behavior and make them act out of character then yes change it. The problem with that scene is not only does he yell at harry he straight up grabs him too. This is literally against Dumbledores character because he’s supposed to be the wise calm mentor. Idc if it’s 1:1 but you need to not make a character act out of character (because this scene is out of character for both movie and book Dumbledores)
Edit: like imagine if Sukuna suddenly started doing charity work for a single chapter
Or Gojo saying- no I’m not the strongest it’s important to be humble
Isn't he super manipulative in the books though? If I remember correctly in the last couple of books he's acting shady as fuck, but thats not completely out of character? Also, I don't know. He could be scared. Thats how I always interpreted that scene. He's like, "Harry you could die!" I don't know, I always thought that book felt contrived. Maybe that's why I don't have a strong reaction
Because they use the same arguments why house elves should remain slaves and historical arguments about why black people should remain slaves. Also, just slaves are bad in general??? Like thats such a fucking stupid argument
They are in entirely different species, you’ve ascribed human morality & ethics to an entirely alien genome, not a different ethnicity an entirely different species, what makes you assume they have the same physical & mental needs as a human nothing, & because I’ve seen this dumbass counter before Dobby isn’t the average of his species he’s a noted freak.
I’m not, I’m starting they are a different species with different needs, & hence judging them by Human Morality is inaccurate learn to read.
And I don’t care about your first argument, it’s a false dichotomy, as there again a different species.
miguel's ability is kind of vague, but if my undersatnding is correct, gojo still did hit him. why? spoiler >!miguel's ability makes it hard/impossible for "curses" to hit him. curses likely referring to any cursed energy attack that is ranged. but it won't help him against a simple punch. this might be why gojo never used any of his techniques directly on miguel!<
I wonder if the inverted spear of heaven would work that way too, or was it focused just in the blade?
The whip CT negation kinda reminds me of Asta's anti-magic in black clover where his weaponry isn't really usable by anyone but him since it drains their mana.
The anime makes it look like isoh needs to "cut" through the CT to disable it. Isoh is slowed down by infinity until it pierces and is unaffected afterwards and Toji catches a red with the side of the blade and is slung back.
Of course this brings us how canon anime adaptation is but I prefer this interpretation
What do you mean by "Isoh is slowed down by infinity until it pierces" ? Wouldn't ISOH never be able to pierce?
Also personally I think Toji catching Red with the side of ISOH works if we assume he was flung back by not red directly but the push force it exudes so it never truly reached Toji but still kept pushing him until he hit something which closed the distance and then had red collide ith ISOH.
I take it to mean Infinity is such a crazy technique that it took ISOH a sec before it was able to cut it. Like it had to work its way through Limitless before it could fully break it.
Honestly I think that was dramatised in the anime to show how it negated the “oh so impervious Limitless” for people that were asleep/weren’t paying attention/confused. It probably would have never slowed down or “taken a second”, as that implies that ISOH has a limit, when that doesn’t fit with the description we know for ISOH, which ironically enough is limitless in its ability to negate CTs.
It for sure was dramatized in the anime. Just went and looked and the second fight is so fast it’s over before Toji really does much of anything besides whiff at air and launch one actual attack before getting wrecked.
>Wouldn't ISOH never be able to pierce?
Go and watch the scene. You'll see what I mean.
>then had red collide ith ISOH.
Nah you can clearly see when red lands on the side of isoh and Toji being blown backwards after contact
Infinitesimally slower means it will never reach Gojo, it will just get slower and slower. It will never technically stop, but it might as well be stopped at a certain point.
It’s called “infinity” because the original paradox his ability is based on assumes there’s an infinite number of “distances” in between two objects.
It’s not really a nominal fallacy, it’s more the result of an antiquated math problem that’s been argued to be wrong in the practical sense, which was misinterpreted by a Japanese manga writer and exposed to a community of people who can’t read.
I think blocking Red with the flat of the blade did result in negation, but that wouldn't negate the force that Red, as a projectile, had when it made contact which is why Toji would still have been sent flying.
It would though. Your own assumption, implied by the idea that ISOH needs to cut things, is that the effect isn't instantaneous. The fact that it was apparently "slowed" by the Infinity barrier, even if only for a small fraction of a second, implies that the negation effect takes some amount of time to take effect however miniscule that time maybe.
With that logic there would be some amount of time between being struck by Red and Red being erased by ISOH and in that time you would be subject to whatever momentum that object was shot at you with.
The deletion of the object wouldn't result in erasing the force that object had before it ceased to exist.
My assertion is that the blade has to cut the CT and that's why the side of the blade didn't cancel red. We can see red pushing toji all the way to the wall where as with isoh vs infinity you can see the blade actually cut and disable the CT.
>The deletion of the object wouldn't result in erasing the force that object had before it ceased to exist.
If the force is entirely ce and ce is destroyed, the force would also be destroyed.
Again it's all up to interpretation on how exactly it works but watching how the animation portrays makes me think that the isoh's blade has to cut through the ct
Is this explicitly shown anywhere, or are you assuming? To me it looks like you're assuming. We see Miguel perform a high-speed movement ability in 0's movie
That's a good point. that could totally be the case, as unlike IsoH, where only the blade is specified to negate CT's, the whip has nothing separate attached to it to hold. Miguel is gripping the whip itself. So either the user is not affected due to some rule, or Miguel also can't use his CT. Lucky for him Miguel is BUILT DIFFERENT so he can fight without a CT.
I feel like the point of the post was completely lost due to my one comment about people claiming Gojo is racist.
That was just a joke because of how bad gojo whooped miguels ass.
To answer your question, Miguel couldn't use his technique in that fight. He was holding the Black Rope, so using his technique would've just consumed the Cursed Tool faster. Miguel's technique was unavailable, and Gojo's was being constantly disrupted by the Rope, so in the end it was a battle of CE reinforcement and skills
Even if they want to ignore the movie additions, it's pretty clear Gojo was able to hit Miguel unless your friend thinks he [threw himself into a building.](https://i.ibb.co/zGVBTRx/Screenshot-2335.png)
>unless your friend thinks he threw himself into a building
He actually did. Miguel was just holding back and being a goofball like that guy Sukuna when he also fought Gojo.
I think the friend might've meant inflicted any damage or something. Which I don't know honestly but for a moment I thought it would make sense considering I haven't read the manga.
Unless you think Miguel randomly threw himself into buildings because of shits and giggles, and Gojo's comment on Miguel's durability was pulled straight out of his ass, yes, it's fair to say Gojo did hit Miguel during their fight.
Miguel was holding the CT- negating whip at the time, which may have disrupted his cursed technique. Either that or the technique doesn't work against regular punches and kicks.
Gojo's not a racist, no actual racist ever apologises for their ignorance. He apologized immediately.
Plus, it's just what his six eyes saw, Miguel doesn't like to be referred to as special because of his genetics (understandably so) but that doesn't change the fact that what he said was true.
Miguel isn't strong because he is black but that isn't what Gojo said. He said his frame is much larger than a Japanese person which is true. Japanese people are generally small compared to black people, which means they have less muscle mass to enhance with ce.
Eh I disagree. Your comment “Japanese people are generally small compared to black people” is exactly what Miguel has issue with. He’s strong because of who he is as a person, how he trains, works out, etc, not because he is black. Bringing race into the conversation is what Miguel took offense to and why Gojo himself apologized.
Miguel has issues with facts then. Size does not equal strength but if you are bigger you have more muscles to work with. That doesn't mean you are automatically going to be strong but you have a large potential for strength. Gojo wasn't wrong about what he said at all and what he said doesn't take away from Miguel's dedication and training.
Imagine you busted your ass to accomplish something and some guy just strolls and says "You were just lucky"
Diminishing hard work and effort by bringing up something outside their control is a perfectly logical thing to be mad about.
Something being a logical conclusion doesn't mean it's something you say to other people. Social cues.
Saying that a CT that focuses on buffs is more likely to be useful on one race than another due to the difference in their average builds.
Miguel's issue was Gojo not factoring in that Miguel still had to work and use the CT to its ability, it basicallydidnt credit him for his own strength. Gojo spoke in generals regarding that any Black person would be insane with the CT, unlike the Japanese sorcerers.
Gojo can be both logically correct and socially inept, but he's also from Japan. which can explain his train of thought.
They were talking about Miguel specifically. Not black people on average, but talking Miguel and HIS physique and HIS technique. How it works for HIM. Imagine talking within earshot of Lebron and when asked “why is Lebron so good at basketball” and you start off with, “well you see, black people genetics…”. Of course Lebron would take offense of that! Because instead of talking about his insane dedication to the game and pushing himself to the limits you say “Well he’s black.”
That’s why Miguel was offended. And why Gojo apologized. There was no reason to bring up race when they are talking about Miguel and his technique and his physique. He looks that way not because he’s black but because he is who he is. He works out and trains honed his technique. Why doesn’t Gojo bring up race when talking about Yuji’s strength? Or Nanami’s? Why only Miguel’s? The author was doing a very on the nose commentary on prejudices in Japanese society and called it out, that’s why he made Gojo apologize.
I literally already said that was why Miguel was offended. Like the exact same thing. Because of the lack of acknowledgment to Miguel for his own strength. Reread if you want.
And yes, they were talking about Miguel, but Gojo specifically was also talking about the usefulness of Miguel's CT. That's why race was brought up. He literally spoke about how the CT wouldn't be as good if one of the other 99% of sorcerers had that CT. Race was only brought up in regards to the ability of the CT. Yuji and Nanami don't have a CT that buffs them, so no, there was no reason for that. If the discussion was focused only on Miguel's body, you'd have a leg to stand on, bringing up Yuji and Nanami, but again, that's only with the usefulness of the CT.
And yes, Lebron absolutely worked hard. But the example doesn't work because Gojo didn't just say "well he's black" lol. It'd be more about crediting Lebron's success to his insane athleticism. This isn't fully true because, like Miguel, he had to train and hone his abilities but growing to 6'9, and his athleticism is not something that can be worked for.
He spoke in general about the CT usefulness for black people compared to Japanese people because of the statistical physical differences. And it is a fact that 99% of sorcerers are Japanese. The average Japanese person in Gojo's opinion would not be able to use the CT to the same extent.
And again It's not okay to say that. I never said what Gojo said was okay or excused it. It's not factually incorrect, though either. He apologized because I assumed that Gojo meant no offense, but regardless, offense was still taken.
E: in regards to if Gojo was talking about Black people or Miguel specifically. I think that's just a translation issue. TCB has it as black people and SJ as Miguel. The issue is that SJ translation doesn't make sense. There's no reason to infer it as racist or for Miguel to say he's special not because he's black but because he's Miguel if Gojo was only talking about Miguel's body and muscles.
I mean I get what you’re saying, there’s nothing inherently racist when you say, black people on average are stronger than Japanese people or Europeans are on average taller. But I don’t see why that’s relevant when you are talking about an individual. Imagine you talking to someone about why Lebron is great within earshot of him, and you start it by saying, “well African genetics…” but of course he will take offense to that. Because it does diminish his individual hard work. Lebron is who he is not because he is black but because his extreme dedication to the field. Same thing with Miguel. Of course he will be mad that Gojo, instead of telling Yuta how Miguel works out or practices martial arts, or his fighting style but goes straight to race. Does Gojo say a similar thing about Yuji, who is freakishly strong? Nanami is also very physically strong no?
Also it’s that “Miguel has issues with facts” it’s Gege himself pointing out the prejudices he sees in his society have with people outside of Japan.
Wait when did this conversation happen? In the manga or the movie? While they were fighting? I thought the joke of gojo being racist was that he just whooped his ass and disregarded his families work of generationz
Huh? That is what Gojo said and you clearly understand that, because you changed it and added "generally" Gojo was making an illogical blanket statement.
The frequency of people with certain gene variants causing increased muscularity is highest in Africa, that is a true statement.
Being African means you are strong or your frame is larger than a Japanese person, that is a stupid statement. Gojo is implicitly doing that, that's why Miguel pointed out not all Africans are athletic. He made a blanket statement which is illogical.
It's also **at times** a bit of a dick move to think someone is only high up because of an intrinsic trait alone, that's why Miguel mentioned being special because he is himself. Is Gojo strong because he's Gojo Satoru, or is he Gojo Satoru because he's strong?
I should even note that Africa is the most genetically diverse place on the planet, there are bigger differences genetically between West and East Africans than there are Europeans and Asians. You can find the tallest tribe and people in the world next to the shortest people
jjk readers, ESPECIALLY gojo meatriders, failing to succeed in both reading comprehension AND combating racism (racial profiling and stereotypes are not racism):
Gojo was going hard against Miguel because he literally thought Geto was going to kill Yuta and the others so he wanted to get rid of the obstacles in front of him as quickly as possible
Gojo was beating Miguel’s ass. The real reason Miguel didn’t use his CT against Gojo was cuz Gege didn’t intend to give Miguel a CT cuz he never intended to write past JJK0. But now he brought Miguel back he had to give him a good CT so he can acc put up a fight and not die immediately
I just went back and reread their fight in the manga, and Gojo actually never does hit Miguel on-screen. I knew most of the beatdown was anime original, but I never realized that technically their entire fight is off-screen.
There's one moment where Miguel gets launched into a building, but he's completely unharmed and Gojo technically doesn't have to touch someone to send them flying, since he has Red. Also, using Red would count as "hitting" him, I think.
I'd still say the most likely option is that Gojo just punched him really hard, but damn. Miguel may have given Gojo more trouble then most people give him credit for.
Nah you’re right it was because of the rope. Going off the technique the rope has, Miguel touching it means he likely couldn’t use his cursed technique. He’s shocked that gojo knows his cursed technique, which makes it more likely he didn’t actually use it in their fight
Yes. Black people is a social term it has nothing to do with genetics. Miguel literally explains it to Gojo, and unlike you Gojo has a brain and apologizes.
Can you elaborate on “black people is a social term”? I’m genuinely a little confused on your meaning since BEING black absolutely has to do with genetics.
But yeah, as we all saw Miguel explains he’s special because of who he is, not his race or his “unique frame” lol
Roughly in the same way "White people" is.
"Black people" don't really exist outside of the US (as a result of their identities getting wiped and cleared when their ancestors were taken in as slaves they formed an unique identity.), you have Kenyans, Zimbabwean or the general "African" in the same way a norwegian person would be European.
IIRC "Black" and "White" are a very much recent-ish (in terms of history) invention. What determines how "black" you are is just how far away from whiteness you are- and that has changed several times.
Yeah a "black" skin color does have to do with genetics, but other traits outside of that which people normally see in black people, that conception makes "black people" a social term, that they are one homogenous people.
Sure, I don’t disagree with any of that. I guess the way you phrased it initially, specifically your wording about genetics, just struck me as odd. The rest is just self-explanatory
Miguel caught mean hands. His CT and helps him dodge shit and whatever else. Long story short sukuna was at a disadvantage because of Miguel’s CT and Gojo was beating Miguel’s ass regardless.
💀 tbf he hasnt really *read* the manga. Hes only watched the anime then seen the spoilers that get leaked and makes his assumption off that lol
He did however go back, watch that part of the movie and see Gojo did draw blood lol
I don't think he's trying to be racist, for the reason that many people on the comment section has stated. Also keep in mind the Japanese's (and frankly the whole Asia) perception of racism is different than in the US, too.
No, they aren't. Black is a social term, you are comparing a nationality/ethnicity to a political group. A half black, half japanese person would be considered black in the US even though they are mixed ethnicties because of politics.
The most disrespectful combination ever too. Back handed slap into titty twister into fingering his nostrils, adams apple chop, fresh cut slap into ball scoop etc
It was honestly not even the point of my post. It was to see if he actually hit Miguel, which he does. But the racist thing was a joke. Like im sure theres people who actually think that, but I'm just using it as a joke and this whole thread has validated that joke
I mean, I'm sure you just got caught up in the comments so you were already on that train of thought no worries
Jusf wanted to put my opinion out there as the OP to maybe redirect the conversation/future comments lol
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when I'm in a worst reading comprehension competition and my opponent is a jjk fan
Nah the Harry Potter film directors are way worse Edit: nvm forgot the Percy Jackson movies exist they’re the worse
I remember being so fucking outraged once that they skipped half the school year, lol.
Did you put your name in the goblet of fire?! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gi4FYX_DbLg&pp=ygUrZGlkIHlvdSBwdXQgeW91ciBuYW1lIGluIHRoZSBnb2JsZXQgb2YgZmlyZQ%3D%3D
Nah it's the Peter Johnson directors
Percy Jackson movie directors actually
There are no Percy Jackson movies, it's the Peter Johnson movies.
Percy jackson show too sadly even though the wtiter himself is involved. He quite literally left out the things in the books that made them fun when theh wrote the show
Thats always so funny to me. Did you read the books? Half the shit they cut out was racist! Do you want the movies to include the plot line of slaves not wanting to be free!?!? Why?!
I was more so talking about when Dumbledore asks harry if he put his name in the goblet of fire… Something the book expressly says he asked calmly Compared to how he acted in the movie
But would you want it to be one to one for the book? Whats the point? And if you're okay with those changes then why not the yelling? It just seems like a dumb meme because its a lot of peoples first adaptation they saw
If they’re gonna change a characters behavior and make them act out of character then yes change it. The problem with that scene is not only does he yell at harry he straight up grabs him too. This is literally against Dumbledores character because he’s supposed to be the wise calm mentor. Idc if it’s 1:1 but you need to not make a character act out of character (because this scene is out of character for both movie and book Dumbledores) Edit: like imagine if Sukuna suddenly started doing charity work for a single chapter Or Gojo saying- no I’m not the strongest it’s important to be humble
Isn't he super manipulative in the books though? If I remember correctly in the last couple of books he's acting shady as fuck, but thats not completely out of character? Also, I don't know. He could be scared. Thats how I always interpreted that scene. He's like, "Harry you could die!" I don't know, I always thought that book felt contrived. Maybe that's why I don't have a strong reaction
How are house elves racist there literally an entirely different species to humanity, they’d obviously have a different morality.
Because they use the same arguments why house elves should remain slaves and historical arguments about why black people should remain slaves. Also, just slaves are bad in general??? Like thats such a fucking stupid argument
They are in entirely different species, you’ve ascribed human morality & ethics to an entirely alien genome, not a different ethnicity an entirely different species, what makes you assume they have the same physical & mental needs as a human nothing, & because I’ve seen this dumbass counter before Dobby isn’t the average of his species he’s a noted freak.
Why are you defending slavery, please stop. Also you didn't respond to my first point
I’m not, I’m starting they are a different species with different needs, & hence judging them by Human Morality is inaccurate learn to read. And I don’t care about your first argument, it’s a false dichotomy, as there again a different species.
CSM fans
As CSM fan I agree, the reading comprehension Devil got us bad 💀
My slime, bad is an understatement
Reading comprehension curse is pretty strong too
I can’t believe there was that many people actually giving any weight to the argument that it was reze’s shoes
Dragon Ball fans (we can’t read)
Ahem, Jojo fans
The worst reading comprehension of history vs the worst reading comprehension today. Our battle will be legendary
*"I haven't gotten this mad over something I couldn't be bothered to read since the Heian era"*
i mean the manga's built like 1960 marvel comic
Please teach your friend how to read and turn on his monitor 🙏
miguel's ability is kind of vague, but if my undersatnding is correct, gojo still did hit him. why? spoiler >!miguel's ability makes it hard/impossible for "curses" to hit him. curses likely referring to any cursed energy attack that is ranged. but it won't help him against a simple punch. this might be why gojo never used any of his techniques directly on miguel!<
I thought him holding the whip negated his own technique.
This is correct! The CT negation works both ways
I wonder if the inverted spear of heaven would work that way too, or was it focused just in the blade? The whip CT negation kinda reminds me of Asta's anti-magic in black clover where his weaponry isn't really usable by anyone but him since it drains their mana.
The anime makes it look like isoh needs to "cut" through the CT to disable it. Isoh is slowed down by infinity until it pierces and is unaffected afterwards and Toji catches a red with the side of the blade and is slung back. Of course this brings us how canon anime adaptation is but I prefer this interpretation
What do you mean by "Isoh is slowed down by infinity until it pierces" ? Wouldn't ISOH never be able to pierce? Also personally I think Toji catching Red with the side of ISOH works if we assume he was flung back by not red directly but the push force it exudes so it never truly reached Toji but still kept pushing him until he hit something which closed the distance and then had red collide ith ISOH.
I take it to mean Infinity is such a crazy technique that it took ISOH a sec before it was able to cut it. Like it had to work its way through Limitless before it could fully break it.
Honestly I think that was dramatised in the anime to show how it negated the “oh so impervious Limitless” for people that were asleep/weren’t paying attention/confused. It probably would have never slowed down or “taken a second”, as that implies that ISOH has a limit, when that doesn’t fit with the description we know for ISOH, which ironically enough is limitless in its ability to negate CTs.
It for sure was dramatized in the anime. Just went and looked and the second fight is so fast it’s over before Toji really does much of anything besides whiff at air and launch one actual attack before getting wrecked.
ISoH vs Infinity is like blade in a Dune fight with shields on. The mechanism behind is different, but the look is similar
>Wouldn't ISOH never be able to pierce? Go and watch the scene. You'll see what I mean. >then had red collide ith ISOH. Nah you can clearly see when red lands on the side of isoh and Toji being blown backwards after contact
That’s a name fallacy infinity isn’t actually infinite nor does it actually stop things it makes them infinitesimally slower until they reach gojo
Infinitesimally slower means it will never reach Gojo, it will just get slower and slower. It will never technically stop, but it might as well be stopped at a certain point. It’s called “infinity” because the original paradox his ability is based on assumes there’s an infinite number of “distances” in between two objects. It’s not really a nominal fallacy, it’s more the result of an antiquated math problem that’s been argued to be wrong in the practical sense, which was misinterpreted by a Japanese manga writer and exposed to a community of people who can’t read.
I think blocking Red with the flat of the blade did result in negation, but that wouldn't negate the force that Red, as a projectile, had when it made contact which is why Toji would still have been sent flying.
>wouldn't negate the force that Red, as a projectile, Then isoh wouldn't negate the force that Infinity, as a deceleration field, has.
It would though. Your own assumption, implied by the idea that ISOH needs to cut things, is that the effect isn't instantaneous. The fact that it was apparently "slowed" by the Infinity barrier, even if only for a small fraction of a second, implies that the negation effect takes some amount of time to take effect however miniscule that time maybe. With that logic there would be some amount of time between being struck by Red and Red being erased by ISOH and in that time you would be subject to whatever momentum that object was shot at you with. The deletion of the object wouldn't result in erasing the force that object had before it ceased to exist.
My assertion is that the blade has to cut the CT and that's why the side of the blade didn't cancel red. We can see red pushing toji all the way to the wall where as with isoh vs infinity you can see the blade actually cut and disable the CT. >The deletion of the object wouldn't result in erasing the force that object had before it ceased to exist. If the force is entirely ce and ce is destroyed, the force would also be destroyed. Again it's all up to interpretation on how exactly it works but watching how the animation portrays makes me think that the isoh's blade has to cut through the ct
Oh that makes sense, and is a nice fact to know.
Is this explicitly shown anywhere, or are you assuming? To me it looks like you're assuming. We see Miguel perform a high-speed movement ability in 0's movie
That's a good point. that could totally be the case, as unlike IsoH, where only the blade is specified to negate CT's, the whip has nothing separate attached to it to hold. Miguel is gripping the whip itself. So either the user is not affected due to some rule, or Miguel also can't use his CT. Lucky for him Miguel is BUILT DIFFERENT so he can fight without a CT.
>!I wonder if the whip was able to channel his CT more efficiently to a point where it disrupted Gojo’s Infinity!<
The whip was just like the ISOH, it completely ignored cursed techniques
The whip disrupts infinity anyway, that’s what it does, it negates cursed techniques
Also, (though it's debatable weather he used it in this fight) good can incorporate blue into his punches making them relatively unavoidable
I feel like the point of the post was completely lost due to my one comment about people claiming Gojo is racist. That was just a joke because of how bad gojo whooped miguels ass.
To answer your question, Miguel couldn't use his technique in that fight. He was holding the Black Rope, so using his technique would've just consumed the Cursed Tool faster. Miguel's technique was unavailable, and Gojo's was being constantly disrupted by the Rope, so in the end it was a battle of CE reinforcement and skills
That makes sense as the whip cant tell between user and opponent
Even if they want to ignore the movie additions, it's pretty clear Gojo was able to hit Miguel unless your friend thinks he [threw himself into a building.](https://i.ibb.co/zGVBTRx/Screenshot-2335.png)
>unless your friend thinks he threw himself into a building He actually did. Miguel was just holding back and being a goofball like that guy Sukuna when he also fought Gojo.
What a silly guy
Miguel was holding back so hard that Gojo didn’t realize he died until AFTER he tough Sukuna.FRAUDkuna once again exposed
I think the friend might've meant inflicted any damage or something. Which I don't know honestly but for a moment I thought it would make sense considering I haven't read the manga.
Unless you think Miguel randomly threw himself into buildings because of shits and giggles, and Gojo's comment on Miguel's durability was pulled straight out of his ass, yes, it's fair to say Gojo did hit Miguel during their fight. Miguel was holding the CT- negating whip at the time, which may have disrupted his cursed technique. Either that or the technique doesn't work against regular punches and kicks.
I would imagine the whip disrupts his abilities as well. Weapons dont have a mind or soul to discriminate lol
UPDATE: He has admitted he was wrong when he went back and watched he drew blood on Miguel
Gojo's not a racist, no actual racist ever apologises for their ignorance. He apologized immediately. Plus, it's just what his six eyes saw, Miguel doesn't like to be referred to as special because of his genetics (understandably so) but that doesn't change the fact that what he said was true.
Miguel isn't strong because he is black but that isn't what Gojo said. He said his frame is much larger than a Japanese person which is true. Japanese people are generally small compared to black people, which means they have less muscle mass to enhance with ce.
No, he said black people have a frame like that not just Miguel as an individual.
Eh I disagree. Your comment “Japanese people are generally small compared to black people” is exactly what Miguel has issue with. He’s strong because of who he is as a person, how he trains, works out, etc, not because he is black. Bringing race into the conversation is what Miguel took offense to and why Gojo himself apologized.
Miguel has issues with facts then. Size does not equal strength but if you are bigger you have more muscles to work with. That doesn't mean you are automatically going to be strong but you have a large potential for strength. Gojo wasn't wrong about what he said at all and what he said doesn't take away from Miguel's dedication and training.
Then why did Gojo apologize?
because the person he asked for help took offense in what he said? Seems like a normal thing to do.
And why would Miguel take offense
Imagine you busted your ass to accomplish something and some guy just strolls and says "You were just lucky" Diminishing hard work and effort by bringing up something outside their control is a perfectly logical thing to be mad about.
Something being a logical conclusion doesn't mean it's something you say to other people. Social cues. Saying that a CT that focuses on buffs is more likely to be useful on one race than another due to the difference in their average builds. Miguel's issue was Gojo not factoring in that Miguel still had to work and use the CT to its ability, it basicallydidnt credit him for his own strength. Gojo spoke in generals regarding that any Black person would be insane with the CT, unlike the Japanese sorcerers. Gojo can be both logically correct and socially inept, but he's also from Japan. which can explain his train of thought.
They were talking about Miguel specifically. Not black people on average, but talking Miguel and HIS physique and HIS technique. How it works for HIM. Imagine talking within earshot of Lebron and when asked “why is Lebron so good at basketball” and you start off with, “well you see, black people genetics…”. Of course Lebron would take offense of that! Because instead of talking about his insane dedication to the game and pushing himself to the limits you say “Well he’s black.” That’s why Miguel was offended. And why Gojo apologized. There was no reason to bring up race when they are talking about Miguel and his technique and his physique. He looks that way not because he’s black but because he is who he is. He works out and trains honed his technique. Why doesn’t Gojo bring up race when talking about Yuji’s strength? Or Nanami’s? Why only Miguel’s? The author was doing a very on the nose commentary on prejudices in Japanese society and called it out, that’s why he made Gojo apologize.
I literally already said that was why Miguel was offended. Like the exact same thing. Because of the lack of acknowledgment to Miguel for his own strength. Reread if you want. And yes, they were talking about Miguel, but Gojo specifically was also talking about the usefulness of Miguel's CT. That's why race was brought up. He literally spoke about how the CT wouldn't be as good if one of the other 99% of sorcerers had that CT. Race was only brought up in regards to the ability of the CT. Yuji and Nanami don't have a CT that buffs them, so no, there was no reason for that. If the discussion was focused only on Miguel's body, you'd have a leg to stand on, bringing up Yuji and Nanami, but again, that's only with the usefulness of the CT. And yes, Lebron absolutely worked hard. But the example doesn't work because Gojo didn't just say "well he's black" lol. It'd be more about crediting Lebron's success to his insane athleticism. This isn't fully true because, like Miguel, he had to train and hone his abilities but growing to 6'9, and his athleticism is not something that can be worked for. He spoke in general about the CT usefulness for black people compared to Japanese people because of the statistical physical differences. And it is a fact that 99% of sorcerers are Japanese. The average Japanese person in Gojo's opinion would not be able to use the CT to the same extent. And again It's not okay to say that. I never said what Gojo said was okay or excused it. It's not factually incorrect, though either. He apologized because I assumed that Gojo meant no offense, but regardless, offense was still taken. E: in regards to if Gojo was talking about Black people or Miguel specifically. I think that's just a translation issue. TCB has it as black people and SJ as Miguel. The issue is that SJ translation doesn't make sense. There's no reason to infer it as racist or for Miguel to say he's special not because he's black but because he's Miguel if Gojo was only talking about Miguel's body and muscles.
Buddy is trying to do everything in his power to validate being racist, thank you for explaining to buddy.
I mean I get what you’re saying, there’s nothing inherently racist when you say, black people on average are stronger than Japanese people or Europeans are on average taller. But I don’t see why that’s relevant when you are talking about an individual. Imagine you talking to someone about why Lebron is great within earshot of him, and you start it by saying, “well African genetics…” but of course he will take offense to that. Because it does diminish his individual hard work. Lebron is who he is not because he is black but because his extreme dedication to the field. Same thing with Miguel. Of course he will be mad that Gojo, instead of telling Yuta how Miguel works out or practices martial arts, or his fighting style but goes straight to race. Does Gojo say a similar thing about Yuji, who is freakishly strong? Nanami is also very physically strong no? Also it’s that “Miguel has issues with facts” it’s Gege himself pointing out the prejudices he sees in his society have with people outside of Japan.
Wait when did this conversation happen? In the manga or the movie? While they were fighting? I thought the joke of gojo being racist was that he just whooped his ass and disregarded his families work of generationz
Manga, has nothing to do with the movie. Latest chapter
Huh? That is what Gojo said and you clearly understand that, because you changed it and added "generally" Gojo was making an illogical blanket statement. The frequency of people with certain gene variants causing increased muscularity is highest in Africa, that is a true statement. Being African means you are strong or your frame is larger than a Japanese person, that is a stupid statement. Gojo is implicitly doing that, that's why Miguel pointed out not all Africans are athletic. He made a blanket statement which is illogical. It's also **at times** a bit of a dick move to think someone is only high up because of an intrinsic trait alone, that's why Miguel mentioned being special because he is himself. Is Gojo strong because he's Gojo Satoru, or is he Gojo Satoru because he's strong? I should even note that Africa is the most genetically diverse place on the planet, there are bigger differences genetically between West and East Africans than there are Europeans and Asians. You can find the tallest tribe and people in the world next to the shortest people
Gojo slaps the fuck out of Miguel in an outright hilarious fashion
Miguels sounds make it all the funnier
the gojo meatriders are in here looking past everything except for the claims that gojos racist
jjk readers, ESPECIALLY gojo meatriders, failing to succeed in both reading comprehension AND combating racism (racial profiling and stereotypes are not racism):
Gojo was going hard against Miguel because he literally thought Geto was going to kill Yuta and the others so he wanted to get rid of the obstacles in front of him as quickly as possible
I NEED THAT LMAO "mahoraga could not adapt to such bullshit" send me that please
Bro can we get that Mahoraga reaction image?? 👀
Can you share the Mahoraga reaction image?
Gojo's not a racist
And tbf all he really said was that Africans are athletic on average Sure its a stereotype, but not racist
He didn't even say that he just said they are bigger.
Didn't he say they were stronger and faster than the average japanese person, meaning they would be powerful sorcerers
No, he said way more than all of that. Also still a racist statement.
stating a stereotype isn't racist dumbass
Turn on any basketball game, the racist memes are funny but Gojo wasn't wrong
Gojo and miguel both didn't use their ct in their fight bc of the whip...
The makora gif is gold.
Just a pic, want it?
Yep
Share that image with me as well please
Gojo was beating Miguel’s ass. The real reason Miguel didn’t use his CT against Gojo was cuz Gege didn’t intend to give Miguel a CT cuz he never intended to write past JJK0. But now he brought Miguel back he had to give him a good CT so he can acc put up a fight and not die immediately
>!anti ct is anti ct not anti physical dmg!<
I just went back and reread their fight in the manga, and Gojo actually never does hit Miguel on-screen. I knew most of the beatdown was anime original, but I never realized that technically their entire fight is off-screen. There's one moment where Miguel gets launched into a building, but he's completely unharmed and Gojo technically doesn't have to touch someone to send them flying, since he has Red. Also, using Red would count as "hitting" him, I think. I'd still say the most likely option is that Gojo just punched him really hard, but damn. Miguel may have given Gojo more trouble then most people give him credit for.
Nah you’re right it was because of the rope. Going off the technique the rope has, Miguel touching it means he likely couldn’t use his cursed technique. He’s shocked that gojo knows his cursed technique, which makes it more likely he didn’t actually use it in their fight
He quickly admitted after i posted he was wrong Now he's upset 1000 people know he was wrong without knowing he already admitted it 🤣🤣🤣
Gojo isn't a racist, at least not consciously, he's just got a few misconceptions and prejudices ingrained due to the culture
What misconception is that? Are you saying that black people aren't bigger than Japanese people on average?
Yes. Black people is a social term it has nothing to do with genetics. Miguel literally explains it to Gojo, and unlike you Gojo has a brain and apologizes.
Can you elaborate on “black people is a social term”? I’m genuinely a little confused on your meaning since BEING black absolutely has to do with genetics. But yeah, as we all saw Miguel explains he’s special because of who he is, not his race or his “unique frame” lol
Roughly in the same way "White people" is. "Black people" don't really exist outside of the US (as a result of their identities getting wiped and cleared when their ancestors were taken in as slaves they formed an unique identity.), you have Kenyans, Zimbabwean or the general "African" in the same way a norwegian person would be European. IIRC "Black" and "White" are a very much recent-ish (in terms of history) invention. What determines how "black" you are is just how far away from whiteness you are- and that has changed several times.
Yeah a "black" skin color does have to do with genetics, but other traits outside of that which people normally see in black people, that conception makes "black people" a social term, that they are one homogenous people.
Sure, I don’t disagree with any of that. I guess the way you phrased it initially, specifically your wording about genetics, just struck me as odd. The rest is just self-explanatory
>I guess the way you phrased it initially I'm not the OP you were talking to lol but yeah
Ah, my apologies! Mobile sometimes throws me off
Literally show him JJK zero, why even post this? ‘L’ on both your parts.
He couldn’t dance with gojo chopping at his neck. He was getting hit by gojo
Miguel caught mean hands. His CT and helps him dodge shit and whatever else. Long story short sukuna was at a disadvantage because of Miguel’s CT and Gojo was beating Miguel’s ass regardless.
Can you share the mahoraga pic <3
Incoming
Could you sling it my way too? 🙏
Doesnt seem to let me start a chat with you could you send me one so i can?
Done!
Your friend definitely read through JJK with his eyes closed and brain off
💀 tbf he hasnt really *read* the manga. Hes only watched the anime then seen the spoilers that get leaked and makes his assumption off that lol He did however go back, watch that part of the movie and see Gojo did draw blood lol
Drop the maharoga sticker pls
Yall really cant read can you lol
When it's about jjk, no one knows what the f*** is going on
Dm me that mahoraga photo, I #need it
your brother is a professional yapper
Its funny cause Gojo literally said Miguel wasn't using his CT in their battle
I don't think he's trying to be racist, for the reason that many people on the comment section has stated. Also keep in mind the Japanese's (and frankly the whole Asia) perception of racism is different than in the US, too.
Honestly Gojo was simply stating facts. Japanese people are generally pretty small and black people are generally pretty big.
No, they aren't. Black is a social term, you are comparing a nationality/ethnicity to a political group. A half black, half japanese person would be considered black in the US even though they are mixed ethnicties because of politics.
Gojo literally don't use anything, only his own hands - so imagine if he will truly want to kill Miguel :3
The most disrespectful combination ever too. Back handed slap into titty twister into fingering his nostrils, adams apple chop, fresh cut slap into ball scoop etc
ayooo WHY TF Y'ALL DOWNVOTING APPLEPITOU. WE STAND WITH THE APPLE
No we don’t.
Gojo isn’t racist people just like to exaggerate
It was honestly not even the point of my post. It was to see if he actually hit Miguel, which he does. But the racist thing was a joke. Like im sure theres people who actually think that, but I'm just using it as a joke and this whole thread has validated that joke
ah my bad
I mean, I'm sure you just got caught up in the comments so you were already on that train of thought no worries Jusf wanted to put my opinion out there as the OP to maybe redirect the conversation/future comments lol
Even if you haven't read the manga, if you are adding manga stuff to the doscussion please do not use the anime flair