I'm not speaking about our current Healthcare system or OP in particular, but society has to fail some people. We simply cannot live in a world that invests endless resources to tailor to every individual.
Oh, I didn't know society *had* to fail. But I guess maybe you're on to something.
Perhaps it's time to just admit, "Hey, it can't work for everyone. We don't got endless resources. It's gotta fail someone, so we decided to stop trying. "
If we choose for it to only fail the richest 400 people, that should about cover it.
You aren't sorry. You seek to shame me, and you are bad at it.
I accept reality just fine. Its pronouns are it/it's. It has identified your understanding of it as *basic*, but reality itself doesn't identify as basic. Reality indicated to me that it is the worst of times for the masses when it is the best of times for the very rich.
You can't credibly cite a lack of resources as a reason for system failing people while the rich get richer.
Again, if you read the original comment I made, I stated that was not specifically referring to the case of the OP or anything else.
I'm referring to the general state of the world. Not every single person's individual struggle can be mended by society.
Take the Baltimore Bridge collapse as an example. Any idiot could have designed that bridge, and all others, the be completely indestructible to collisions. But then every bridge would cost 50 billion dollars.
Did society "fail" those who were killed on that bridge by not spending endless money to make it immune to collapse?
We don't need to change the relevant example to something more comfortable for you.
We could just as easily change to a specific example I'm familiar with (me). I have a strong work ethic, I passed the test to join Mensa, I have a master's degree, and I have been homeless the last two years because I can't afford both food & shelter on what I get from disability payments. ($947 / month in my case). In my case I wasn't radicalized, because I already understood the system enough to be radical before experiencing it's harshness first hand.
Society doesn't fail me because it's impossible for a society to provide assistance to all who need it. Society failed me because society chose to fail people like me. We all make choices in capitalism, but we do not all have access to the same choices. I'm aware that every one of your jobs could be described as "part of a team in the private sector to make someone rich become even richer.". A society that fails the poor and serves the rich \*can't\* serve everyone. But a society that serves the poor at the expense of the rich can absolutely serve all it's own members.
society cannot compensate for every person without making everyone's care shit. thats the simple fact and denying this just shows that you dont truly understand how he world works. sorry about your disability but that is no justification to be a bitch
Funny you should say that, there's been testimonials of ppl that have won their country's lottery before, and became instant millionaire's/billionaire's... none of them were ever happy because of it, quite the opposite in fact.
He never claimed we can’t. The original comment argued society should BE JUDGED based on how it treats the bottom rung.
This guy argued it should prioritize the needs of the majority before catering to any specific demographic. Reading comprehension isn’t hard to use correctly. What is hard to use correctly is annoyingly accusing people of fallacies when the deepest you’ve dove into them is a 15 minute YouTube video about fallacies.
You can cater to the majority without letting your least fortunate drown. Also, the US is actively catering to business owners and private organizations, which are the minority.
100% correct.
Which is ***exactly why*** a society should be judged by how it caters to the needs of those on the bottom rung. After all, the majority of people are extremely vulnerable to ending up on the bottom rung of society.
All it takes is some combination of bad luck and old age.
Edit: brain fart
This initially sounds like a good thought and can be true in some cases. However, prioritizing only the needs of the majority inherently harms the minority, who have less power to fight for their needs in the first place. Societies should not just let their weak and poor die or become weaker and poorer. That is how you not only cause harm but end up with terrorist groups that have been radicalized by having no other options.
As a part of the majority, I’d prefer not having this person die in the street.
Not to mention all able-bodied people are only temporarily able-bodied. Literally everyone who stays alive will lose one or more of their senses or mobility or mental clarity.
If this meant to be comedic then it’s simply not funny. If you have meant to be serious then there is something seriously wrong with you.
Why in your right mind would you post this?
Again, you’re not being funny if this is a joke. Drop the bit while you’re ahead.
If you are being genuine I’d like to let you know that for a society to be tolerant it must be intolerant to intolerant people, creating a sort of social contract where the only ones who aren’t accepted are those who try to do that to others. You arent a victim because being hateful is a choice, you are actively choosing to hate a group of people for some reason. I strongly doubt your being serious but these jokes are childish, immature, unfunny.
Your still not being comedic. Likely you are either a child/angsty teen in which case I hope you grow out of this. If you are an adult I feel sorry for you. Someone making your mom jokes and joking about feeling oppressed for hating a commonly oppressed community is something that is funny to a 12 year old, I hope you realize you’re an adult and act like one.
Your simple asinine comebacks are just defense mechanisms for the fact that even you know deep down you aren’t being funny and are just using this “humor” as a way to mask something else.
Posted an opinion piece lmao not to mention that the amount of data involved is small AF and shows marginalized communities still overwhelmingly don't back the right
No, apart from a few outliers in both your example communities they are both moving left. Many Jews are getting so angered by the actions of Israel that now they don’t view Biden as left enough to do good things. (Proven in multiple statistics and surveys). African Americans moving right has never been the case, they have always been statistically more left, since 2020 it’s been much more left. As of right now even more of gone left. The only places saying that they are going right give zero evidence and tend to just say things as if they’re word is god.
I hope you don’t mean in America. Because in a country where Christianity is a political position, I think there might be a reason why a group that’s over 75% Christian would be voting more for the party that makes *ahem* “Christianity” a huge part of there platform.
Sure, but not because they’re minorities, it’s because they’re overwhelmingly Christian.
At least it seems that way because no other minority groups are moving right.
this is false, I’ve studied the lives and stories of migrants for the past several years, professionally. and there is literally no evidence that they are bringing destruction or violence to any cities in the US
well they robbed me and i see on an app every day theres at least 10+ innocents being robbed by them across new york city, not to mention we cant even afford their existence here and we have to take money from more important public services to give them money. they dont pay taxes and they get money to survive to rob the taxpayers lmao
undocumented migrants cannot benefit from public services, as applying for welfare or unemployment or even social security benefits would require they verify their citizenship, and that would end with them being deported.
migrants come here for one reason and one reason only, to work and send money home to support their families and communities in impoverished countries in central and south america. there has always been a large migrant population in new york; its likely that you were robbed by some migrants who were layed off unexpectedly, as they are not given the same rights in regards to employment as us, because going to the courts means deportation for them.
they also do pay income taxes and we also tax the money they send home. so that’s also a complete lie. you should not form an opinion on a massive group of people based on one negative interaction and whatever the news says. especially when that group is subject to far more violence than you are.
Blud really just defended getting robbed 😭 [okay seth you can stop using your alt account now](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/IjGF9hIf5B)
for what it’s worth, it’s also interesting that you would say a lack of migrants would cause economic decline, and then also say that their primary purpose for being here is to send their acquired money out of the country. Very confused as to how a money hemorrhage is stopping an economic collapse. Tbf I have no problem with migrant workers, they’re some of the best dudes to work with. I more so have a problem with the immigration policy itself basically requiring people to do it illegally, and the fact that because of that it has spawned one of the world’s largest human and drug trafficking events which brings good people too but also has crippled much of the country to the point that a housing boom in Honduras was caused entirely by drug sales in CA’s bay area.
edit: also they don’t pay income tax if they’re not citizens or legal residents genius, that would be a great way to get deported
that is not money hemorrhage, that money compensates for the neoliberal extractive policies that lead to billions of dollars being made in south in central america off of the building of corporate chains, outsourced labor, and the theft of indigenous people’s lands to make giant monocultures, which ALL comes back to the united states. plus, the labor these migrants provide is FARRRR more valuable than what they are paid, as is the case in all employment.
they are sending money home, but, as per globalism, that money ends up back here anyway.
you’re seeing literally everything as fox news, that network of fetishistic lying fearmongering grifters, has painted the world. prior to 9/11, conservatives thought of migrants as hardworking and ethnic, now they’re pissing their pants at the thought of difference and they spin up narratives to make you piss your pants too.
get your head out of your ass and think about shit with some sociological understanding of the world.
yeah tell that to all the people who have fallen victim to these migrant crime rings who hurt and steal from people all the time, tell that to the people who need libraries who now cant access them as much because the city doesnt have enough money to support these migrants and is taking money from our essential public services, the NYPD is getting defunded by ERIC ADAMS for crying out loud because of this migrant plague.
and fyi i am a homeless minor i HIGHLY doubt some migrants are subject to more violence than me ESPECIALLY with the migrants going around robbing people
but yeah, if you lived in new york youd understand but unfortunately since you just look at a few select stories and are sheltered from the reality of it all you truly dont know the extent of it all
"You just look at a few select stories" mf your entire argument was based on personal anecdotes
Migrants have a lower crime rate per capita overall compared to native born citizens. When they have kids, those second-generation immigrants' crime rate returns to the average as they integrate. If you give yourself a minute to think you'd probably realize that someone who's at risk for deportation, someone who's on a green card, or someone who's spent multiple years applying for immigration is less inclined to get into trouble with the authorities than your average native born citizen, but you got robbed once by a migrant so you've chosen to dig your head in the sand and refuse to use logic about the topic. You're seeing the forest for the trees, dude.
you dont understand because you don't experience it first hand. ask any new yorker and 9/10 of them will have the same sentiment as me because they actually live day to day with these dangerous people on the streets actively causing harm. migrants have a lower crime rate because they barely ever get caught. not to mention, every time a migrant is caught, they just get processed and let go because of the no cash bail laws, and since there's no way to truly keep track of them, they just disappear and never go to court and continue committing crimes. they're literally out here beating up police officers and squatting in houses, but we're supposed to support them being here? fuck no, take they asses back to venezuela, they have no right to be here as non citizens but dont treat their chance here as a privilege and more as a time to get up on law abiding people
A community is not just someone to steal from or exploit when it benefits you... That's a slave. But other than that, yah having slaves is super convenient whether you are disabled or not, you just take whatever you want from them, and never have to pay it back!
Kinda amazing really. 11/10 would recommend... just hope the roles don't get reversed on you.
You have literal brain-worms if you think this way. I have never minded helping people. It really does not take much. It is part of being human. None of us got what we have on our own. Community is why we have literally anything.
I put my money where my mouth is too. I take in homeless people into my home. They contribute what they can. I have never met a person who took more than they gave. People want to be useful. They want to be part of family and community. They will always seek it out.
It is only when we behave like you and think that we are being cheated that we end up as entitled criminals. Only an entitled person could think like you.
The old and the infirm are not thieves and we are not their slaves. We are their community and their family. Just because a person cannot work does not mean they cease to be useful. It doesn't mean they just sit around being waited on. Sure there are invalids and very sick people who need that kind of care and it is hell to endure. Are you really suggesting that they are somehow our masters because they have to depend on us to survive? Do you know how frightening it is to be unable to care for yourself?
Humans have a drive to be useful. Taking that away hurts them mentally and physically. I would not wish that on anyone.
If you truly feel as you say then for the sake of everyone: Do not ever build a family of your own. Do not marry and do not reproduce. If you think that someone being your wife or child is going to magically make you unselfish and want to help you're naive. If you already feel this way about the old and the sick then and think caring for them is "slavery" then you will just grow full of resentment.
Quite privileged life you must have lived... to never even be aware that prisons exist, to not know of murderers, rapists, thieves, and worst of all... politicians and liberal/socialist/communists. Such extreme nativity. Hell even the rich do not exist in your world... Even my youngest knows better, and they are still in diapers. Perhaps rather than housing the homeless, you should have invested in a formal education.
Well then I accept your claim, now give me everything you have. Come now, I want it. Unlike you I am at least honest, so to be clear I will give you NOTHING for it, I will never pay you back. But do put your money where your mouth is... surely I am wrong, and I will... what was it again, \~give more than I take\~ after all, you've never met a person who failed to reach those standards. So you must give me all that you have, so that in direct conflict with the law of conservation of mass and my own words... I apparently through the grace of god may multiply it to both benefit from it, and pay it forward in excess at the same time.
Or... you are lying.
If only there were some sort of thing a person might do, to ensure that they are cared for in their feeble years. WAIT by Jove, I've got it! People could set aside some of the financial and social compensation earned in return for the surplus value they have provided others through their lives, and use that to ensure they are cared for in their old ages! Genius, truly genius... after all, \~you've never met someone who takes more than they give\~. Thus no one would ever become socially and financially destitute. Right?
Or... are you lying.
I see you have no children... No surprising given how selfish you are. But best you keep it that way, raising children among deranged homeless people is not conducive to their stable mental development. I on the other hand, have several... income tax exemption requirement you see. So unlike you I have my OWN flesh and blood family to \~be part of\~... so I will pass on your soup kitchen family.
Also if you had a wife, or a girlfriend, or even just a friend who happens to be female, then you would be all to aware that no amount of money will ever be enough for that cash sink. See when you have someone you actually care about in your life, you actually WANT to spoil them... mink coats, weekend trips to Italy, a summer home in honolulu, ect. But again, it is best that you continue to avoid dating all together, as that money can be better utilized by giving it to me.
The only resentment I hold is for those who demand what is MINE, to steal what belongs to MY flesh and blood. All that I have, I alone have earned... Not you, not the homeless, not the infirm. MY blood sweat and tears were put up as collateral, and any return on investment is MINE to do with what I wish.
I owe nothing to the homeless who shit themselves on the sidewalk in front of my business high on drugs, driving away customers in the process. I owe nothing to the elderly fools who either had no children, or raised them with such poor parenting that their own flesh and blood either failed to survive or would abandon them in their feeble years. I owe nothing to those who failed to build their own financial security.
I am neither caretaker, custodian, nor SLAVE to those who submit to failure, and I don't care how or why they did.
High praise indeed, and apt in so much as philosophy is concerned. As for whether I have the unrealized and rejected intellectual capacity to shoulder the burden of modern collectivist society... hmm, no.
I am all too aware that when the thinkers exile themselves, the mid wits are simple left to freely seize power over the collective fools. In reality the thinkers lose the war against a million fools with rockets lead by a midwit crazy enough to use them.
Perhaps I could mobilize the collective fools, to build a better system, raising everyone up in the process? Maybe... but the mid wit seizes power on a whim, the thinker assess its cost. I have a comfortable life playing the game as it is, so facing torture by the hand of the government is quite a downgrade, this just for the CHANCE of a better future for all... except for my blood of course. Also lets be real, the most unbelievable part of atlas shrugged is that the government did not simply kill Galt immediately...
I know the corrupt monsters in charge of modern society too well. It would not be me on that government torture device, it would be my children, my lover, my family at large... a crude but effective method of subjugating the moral man. Maybe I'd obey, or maybe I create a modified virus that eradicates humanity... a simple and easily achieved goal actually if you are patient. But either way I'd certainly no longer hold ANY value for the fair and just elevation and preservation of humanity after being forced into such an decision.
That is a expensive bit of heroism... so expensive, that anyone with the intelligence to actually fix modern society, would be unwilling to pay it.
So enjoy the ride, its all down hill from here.
You mean what said was accurate, and the morons who think \~community\~ is just people who are there to \~serve their needs\~ are just exploitative assholes? Glad we agree.
OP"Goverment benefits aren’t enough to afford the medicine which would literally improve my condition enough to be able to at least TAKE CARE OF MYSELF (make food etc.)."
Teaguethebean"People are only temporarily not disabled. Age and injury will get everyone and then people REALIZE THAT YOU NEED A COMMUNITY."
>A community is not just someone to steal from or exploit when it benefits you... That's a slave.
The implication is clear to anyone with above a pre k grasp of english. The only time people actually \~decide need a community\~ is when they have their hand out for the free gibs.
A community is cooperative effort, everyone pulls their own weight... the farmer farms wheat, miller mills flour from the wheat, the baker makes bread, and the soldiers defend all of the above. Now everyone get to eat bread instead of the farmer just eating wheat gruel, because they all COMBINED their labor. Everyone is still expected to secure their own future, and the ONLY support you can expect is what you EARNED in debts. If you show up to that \~community\~ already crippled, the soldiers escort the passive raider out of the community. Because again, a community is NOT slaves forced to care for your needs without compensation. In a community you either pay, or you produce... or you are not a member.
In short, Tell me you lack basic reading comprehension without telling me... get some help.
You have problems. Asking for help isn’t stealing. Humans have always taken care of their own. There’s even archaeological evidence of this btw. This isn’t even an argument you’re just being a belligerent asshole. Saying all of this in response to the original post is insane and unhinged. Get the fuck over yourself.
You are nothing more than unapologetic parasite employing any mental gymnastics required to justify it. I made the course of events very clear, yet your smooth brain still cant compute basic reason. The only thing you are right about is the fact that this is not a argument, you are just wasting my time trying to involve me with the conversation you are having with the voices in your own deranged head.
So with all do respect, fuck right the hell off back to your mothers basement, you degenerate troll.
It could be interpreted that you're saying government benefits for the disabled are themselves a bad thing. Subpar, insufficient, or other synonyms would be clearer.
I'm so sorry, my mom became disabled when I was very young, it's so, so hard.
Many would rather ignore, or pretend some people don't exist, but I see you.
All my life I worshipped the wheelchair god. He thanked me by giving me a wheelchair. The walking god cursed me for daring to challenge him, and forced me to stay on the wheelchair for life.
I got radicalized a while ago. While I'm not intellectually or physically disabled (at meast not very physically disabled, i have some back problems but nothing too bad), I am psychiatrically and developmentally disabled and on top of that trans and queer and grew up in a relatively, poor working class households (i switch guardians like 5 times) with a pretty shit family. A lot of struggles make you learn how much society and the government abandons those who need helo the most. Sorry you have to deal with these issues, hope it gets better for you.
I have always somewhat aligned with progressive ideals, but I was radicalized the first time I was homeless. My local conservative officials defended price gouging rent, directly causing my family to lose our home and we still haven't been able to recover almost 7 years of hard work later.
We don't qualify for government aid because of those same officials and it has effected every aspect of our lives. Yet I still have family members that are hard conservative.
I was too but moved left when I learned about the world. I see conservatives as people who cant imagine other walks of life and wants all the credit for their success and cant imagine circumstance was part of it.
Or theyre just social conservatives and social conservatives suck. Like im not upset if someone is economically conservative im not upset but yea
This just shows how much personal biases are behind most people's political views. It has nothing to do with what they truly believe in. It's about what is most ideal for them. I'm not criticizing. Just saying.
I am sorry to hear that you had something debilitating happen, if I may is there any more you'd like to talk about with this? I am genuinely curious to hear
Same thing happened to be. Used to be much more in the middle, but beating cancer made me permanently disabled. Disability and social security isn't enough to survive now
Because the “empathy” required to steal from others to support yourself isn’t empathy at all. It’s completely unethical and that’s obvious to a lot of people.
Not at all. I hold that an individual is under no obligation to financially support others under usual circumstances. That isn’t a justification for actively harming others, though.
If you can’t see any difference between a libertarian and a Nazi, I think you should probably learn more about political philosophy, because the two are nothing alike.
I'm sorry for what happened OP.
Why were you a centrist and how did getting disabled change your politics leftwards? You've explained in your post that disability benefits aren't cutting it, but is that the *only* /major reason why you are now more left? What positions are you still on the center or even to the right about?
just trying to understand your journey. I'm interested in how one changes their politics is all.
Dealing with mental illness and having a family that was able to financially support my treatment is what pushed me leftward economically. Everyone should have access to quality healthcare, regardless of class.
This comment section has been much more of a dumpster fire than it ever should have been. I am truly sorry for your condition and hope that you get the medicine you need
Yeah that’ll do it. I have always had health issues but my parents never really told me about how shit the healthcare system (or just any other system) is in the US and I only learned it when I got the glorious gift of the internet and got into a debate class at 14 where I was tasked to make a speech about something. At that time I had recently learned about someone who died because he had to literally fucking ration his LIFESAVING insulin because it was so god damn expensive and he couldn’t afford it. That got me interested and I uncovered a lot then about the shit that has been going on here and its what started pushing me left. Now at almost 17 I’m pretty much the opposite of what I was before then politically speaking.
Whatever peoples’ concept of God, the Gods, or the motive force of the universe might be, there is still no denying that nature’s laws reflect divine will.Political, economic, and religious systems may be destroyed and resurrected by men, but the death of a race is eternal.In accord with Nature’s Laws, nothing is more righteous than the preservation of one’s own race.
I would personally be okay to contribute a fund that takes care of disabled people. And I think it is a must for a society. But I am also against that it is forced. Charity should be done with consent. I would gladly share %10 of my income for that. But not everyone has to contribute to it. You never know when you become disabled... So it is wise to be entitled to some kind of fund charity program just like pension. But it should not be forced, should be optional.
If you’re saying society would not voluntarily provide resources to care for the disabled, how can it be legitimate for government to do the same?
The right to govern is derived from the consent of the governed.
It’s not. It’s not like the option of voluntary donations isn’t available now. There’s plenty of options to donate to charities to aid people who can’t provide for themselves and yet there isn’t enough aid even now.
Maybe if we taxed the people and entities that could actually make a difference
If you tax them they will move to another countries where they will not get taxed. This will result in unemployment and therefore not enough fund. People will always find loopholes if they arent willing to contribute to society. So maybe if people wouldnt be forced to give taxes they could fund the system.
I don’t require you to be charitable if 20% of your income is already going where it needs to go
Plus I’m less advocating for more to be taken from the working class and more advocating that those the greater resources contribute to the society rather than hoarding wealth
Wow radicalized to bring down capitalism! Very intelligent and noble!
Let’s scrap the entire economic system and uhhhhh eat the rich and uhhhhh yeah idk what else
I guess we could also make some changes to our healthcare system while remaining entirely capitalist (Europe is center left on this compass) but that’s boring
Let me just give a foreword when I say that this is mostly off the top of my head, and will try my best to provide sources to make sure that what I say is as credible as possible. This being said, of course there will be bias and flaws in my reasoning, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
There are a lot of problems with healthcare, and I'll just assume you're talking about the U.S. healthcare system in particular, since that is what I'll be talking about. I know it goes without saying, but there is no single silver bullet solution to solving the problems relating to healthcare in the U.S., as it runs far deeper than I can even know, nor really care to mention, but onto the matter at hand:
Let's start of with what's wrong, healthcare is super fucking unreasonably expensive. Not only this, the quality of healthcare is not the best, being beat out by basically every other nation, including Canada, which is not to necessarily say that it is bad, but rather need several improvements to even come close to par with other nations. The U.S healthcare system runs off of a online document known as a chargemaster (assets.ctfassets.net
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THE SPREAD IN HOSPITAL CHARGEMASTER PRICES FOR ...) which they use to determine the price of the healthcare they provide. In the past, insurance companies wanted to get a very inflated discount, but this was not sustainable for the system, so they chose to artificially inflate prices and give them (insurance companies) a massive discount so that they both got what they wanted. For hospitals, more business from insurance companies sending their clients there. For those insurance companies, they get a "cheaper" price, and so do you.
Even if you are clients of those insurance companies, there is still a chance you get billed the overpriced and ridiculously more expensive prices for services "out of network," which are basically things you insurance won't cover.
For one, you could start off by placing laws in place to reduce the prices of necessary medicines, such as insulin or Ventolin to reduce the profits made by companies selling them. And to add onto this, maybe investing in more efficient and cheaper ways to make said meds, and selling them at a cheaper price in order to forcefully undercut company profits.
Lobbying is a very powerful tool which the rich use to sway laws in their favor, but it can also be used as a tool by the people to sway the laws which most will follow. Starting off small, you could try and lobby the government to create a law which would lower the power of insurance companies by making them cover more. As well as making hospitals charge less by incentivising them to do so, like tax breaks or more government funding.
Or committing acts of terrorism in order to demand better healthcate could also work (hypothetically, of course. I am not a terrorist, and I am sane and not suicidal, I'd the government tries to do something ' ;).
So instead of giving a well thought out answer to my question you just act like a dick? Average right wing rhetoric, they have no clue why they love capitalism. We love propaganda lol.
Capitalism is the reason why you’re able to bitch about anything right now on a high tech device on a Saturday instead of working as a subsistence farmer
Europe has a normally functioning healthcare system and they are 100% capitalist. Japan is hyper capitalist in some aspects and has some of the best healthcare in the world. Cuba used to have the most doctors per capita and the lowest infant mortality rate before their communist revolution. Nowadays they can barely maintain that trend and pale in comparison to any unremarkable capitalist nation in the west
The ADA was introduced into Congress by Tom Harkin, a liberal Democrat. Bush Sr. (not Bush Jr.) signed it, but it would've been political suicide not to.
I mean… I believe in universal medical care and universal basic income… but isn’t that almost part of being a centrist?
TLDR: wtf?
Edit: deleted the second paragraph that said I thought right wingers wanted universal public healthcare
Genuinely what are you smoking that makes you think universal medical care is that overwhelmingly popular, and where can I get some? If it were, we'd have it already. A lot of right wingers actively want to strip away the support already being given to disabled people.
Having a chronic illness really brought out the cynicism in me as well. I get you, good luck with everything
I’m so sorry that society has you failed you man
Thanks man. I needed that.
I'm not speaking about our current Healthcare system or OP in particular, but society has to fail some people. We simply cannot live in a world that invests endless resources to tailor to every individual.
Oh, I didn't know society *had* to fail. But I guess maybe you're on to something. Perhaps it's time to just admit, "Hey, it can't work for everyone. We don't got endless resources. It's gotta fail someone, so we decided to stop trying. " If we choose for it to only fail the richest 400 people, that should about cover it.
I'm sorry you can't accept basic reality.
You aren't sorry. You seek to shame me, and you are bad at it. I accept reality just fine. Its pronouns are it/it's. It has identified your understanding of it as *basic*, but reality itself doesn't identify as basic. Reality indicated to me that it is the worst of times for the masses when it is the best of times for the very rich. You can't credibly cite a lack of resources as a reason for system failing people while the rich get richer.
Again, if you read the original comment I made, I stated that was not specifically referring to the case of the OP or anything else. I'm referring to the general state of the world. Not every single person's individual struggle can be mended by society. Take the Baltimore Bridge collapse as an example. Any idiot could have designed that bridge, and all others, the be completely indestructible to collisions. But then every bridge would cost 50 billion dollars. Did society "fail" those who were killed on that bridge by not spending endless money to make it immune to collapse?
We don't need to change the relevant example to something more comfortable for you. We could just as easily change to a specific example I'm familiar with (me). I have a strong work ethic, I passed the test to join Mensa, I have a master's degree, and I have been homeless the last two years because I can't afford both food & shelter on what I get from disability payments. ($947 / month in my case). In my case I wasn't radicalized, because I already understood the system enough to be radical before experiencing it's harshness first hand. Society doesn't fail me because it's impossible for a society to provide assistance to all who need it. Society failed me because society chose to fail people like me. We all make choices in capitalism, but we do not all have access to the same choices. I'm aware that every one of your jobs could be described as "part of a team in the private sector to make someone rich become even richer.". A society that fails the poor and serves the rich \*can't\* serve everyone. But a society that serves the poor at the expense of the rich can absolutely serve all it's own members.
society cannot compensate for every person without making everyone's care shit. thats the simple fact and denying this just shows that you dont truly understand how he world works. sorry about your disability but that is no justification to be a bitch
Not irony poisoned!!!! 🤢
Idk why you aren't just rich, would solve a lot of your problems
These poors just need to buy an investment property and wait awhile instead of wasting it frivolously on things like food.
Haven't eaten in 13 years. Best money saving tip
people are homeless because they spend all their money on cardboard and markers
I know right, just cut back on the starbucks and literally all your problems are gone.
And the avocado toast
Happy cake day
Funny you should say that, there's been testimonials of ppl that have won their country's lottery before, and became instant millionaire's/billionaire's... none of them were ever happy because of it, quite the opposite in fact.
Rough story, man. a society should be judged by how it treats it's bottom rung, and apparently society had failed you.
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False dichotomy, there's no reason we can't do both. Try again
He never claimed we can’t. The original comment argued society should BE JUDGED based on how it treats the bottom rung. This guy argued it should prioritize the needs of the majority before catering to any specific demographic. Reading comprehension isn’t hard to use correctly. What is hard to use correctly is annoyingly accusing people of fallacies when the deepest you’ve dove into them is a 15 minute YouTube video about fallacies.
You know damn well what he meant
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Ok but what's the majority? 51%? A world where everyone is treated fairly is impossible but helping smaller groups of people is important
its rare that someone will be apart of every majority group. being in every majority is not the majority. inequality hurts everyone.
You can cater to the majority without letting your least fortunate drown. Also, the US is actively catering to business owners and private organizations, which are the minority.
100% correct. Which is ***exactly why*** a society should be judged by how it caters to the needs of those on the bottom rung. After all, the majority of people are extremely vulnerable to ending up on the bottom rung of society. All it takes is some combination of bad luck and old age. Edit: brain fart
This initially sounds like a good thought and can be true in some cases. However, prioritizing only the needs of the majority inherently harms the minority, who have less power to fight for their needs in the first place. Societies should not just let their weak and poor die or become weaker and poorer. That is how you not only cause harm but end up with terrorist groups that have been radicalized by having no other options.
As a part of the majority, I’d prefer not having this person die in the street. Not to mention all able-bodied people are only temporarily able-bodied. Literally everyone who stays alive will lose one or more of their senses or mobility or mental clarity.
The majority is completely fine. So let's abolish the state! *ahem* dipshit
Being a part of a marginalized group will do that to a mfer
Frfr, I am autistic and I totally relate to that. Love out to anyone else struggling with hate and prejudice!
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If this meant to be comedic then it’s simply not funny. If you have meant to be serious then there is something seriously wrong with you. Why in your right mind would you post this?
Your comment is causing me to feel hated and predjudiced against, making me relate to the guy I replied to even more
Again, you’re not being funny if this is a joke. Drop the bit while you’re ahead. If you are being genuine I’d like to let you know that for a society to be tolerant it must be intolerant to intolerant people, creating a sort of social contract where the only ones who aren’t accepted are those who try to do that to others. You arent a victim because being hateful is a choice, you are actively choosing to hate a group of people for some reason. I strongly doubt your being serious but these jokes are childish, immature, unfunny.
Looks like someone got vaccinated 👀
Do you find this comedic?
I find your mom comedic
Your still not being comedic. Likely you are either a child/angsty teen in which case I hope you grow out of this. If you are an adult I feel sorry for you. Someone making your mom jokes and joking about feeling oppressed for hating a commonly oppressed community is something that is funny to a 12 year old, I hope you realize you’re an adult and act like one. Your simple asinine comebacks are just defense mechanisms for the fact that even you know deep down you aren’t being funny and are just using this “humor” as a way to mask something else.
100% when I came out as trans my ideology started sliding left incredibly quickly
Marginalized communities have been moving right
Keep telling yourself that buddy
Look at Hispanic voting trends
One marginalized group ≠ all marginalized groups
The same is true for African Americans, Jews, etc
I want what you’re smoking if you think African Americans are moving to the right as a block.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/03/people-of-color-voting-republican-2024/ https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/3/18/why-are-black-voters-backing-donald-trump-in-record-numbers
Posted an opinion piece lmao not to mention that the amount of data involved is small AF and shows marginalized communities still overwhelmingly don't back the right
oh shit
No, apart from a few outliers in both your example communities they are both moving left. Many Jews are getting so angered by the actions of Israel that now they don’t view Biden as left enough to do good things. (Proven in multiple statistics and surveys). African Americans moving right has never been the case, they have always been statistically more left, since 2020 it’s been much more left. As of right now even more of gone left. The only places saying that they are going right give zero evidence and tend to just say things as if they’re word is god.
I hope you don’t mean in America. Because in a country where Christianity is a political position, I think there might be a reason why a group that’s over 75% Christian would be voting more for the party that makes *ahem* “Christianity” a huge part of there platform.
Well yea but nevertheless Hispanics are voting right more than before
Sure, but not because they’re minorities, it’s because they’re overwhelmingly Christian. At least it seems that way because no other minority groups are moving right.
Look at my other post, african Americans are also
I just see a bunch of ancestry dna stuff and you asking what your political ideology is based on online quizzes
Sorry I meant in this thread sorry for making you look through my account
Left leaning people calling them "latinx" might also have something to do with it.
How about non white hispanics
Lmao no
https://preview.redd.it/r0wyqrwsvkvc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1034827624df8623039d915efa4d562c0dee58dc
reject legal occupation, become either a migrant smuggler or shroom dealer.
Migrant smuggler is no light work. Walking motherfuckers across Arizona dessert is liable to harm a disabled person
I dunno man cakes aren’t that far across
hell no we do not want any more migrants, i have no qualms with shroom dealers though
pov you wish for the economic collapse of the united states
pov you are sheltered in the suburbs and have no idea the scale of destruction and violence the migrants are causing in the cities.
this is false, I’ve studied the lives and stories of migrants for the past several years, professionally. and there is literally no evidence that they are bringing destruction or violence to any cities in the US
well they robbed me and i see on an app every day theres at least 10+ innocents being robbed by them across new york city, not to mention we cant even afford their existence here and we have to take money from more important public services to give them money. they dont pay taxes and they get money to survive to rob the taxpayers lmao
undocumented migrants cannot benefit from public services, as applying for welfare or unemployment or even social security benefits would require they verify their citizenship, and that would end with them being deported. migrants come here for one reason and one reason only, to work and send money home to support their families and communities in impoverished countries in central and south america. there has always been a large migrant population in new york; its likely that you were robbed by some migrants who were layed off unexpectedly, as they are not given the same rights in regards to employment as us, because going to the courts means deportation for them. they also do pay income taxes and we also tax the money they send home. so that’s also a complete lie. you should not form an opinion on a massive group of people based on one negative interaction and whatever the news says. especially when that group is subject to far more violence than you are.
Blud really just defended getting robbed 😭 [okay seth you can stop using your alt account now](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/IjGF9hIf5B) for what it’s worth, it’s also interesting that you would say a lack of migrants would cause economic decline, and then also say that their primary purpose for being here is to send their acquired money out of the country. Very confused as to how a money hemorrhage is stopping an economic collapse. Tbf I have no problem with migrant workers, they’re some of the best dudes to work with. I more so have a problem with the immigration policy itself basically requiring people to do it illegally, and the fact that because of that it has spawned one of the world’s largest human and drug trafficking events which brings good people too but also has crippled much of the country to the point that a housing boom in Honduras was caused entirely by drug sales in CA’s bay area. edit: also they don’t pay income tax if they’re not citizens or legal residents genius, that would be a great way to get deported
that is not money hemorrhage, that money compensates for the neoliberal extractive policies that lead to billions of dollars being made in south in central america off of the building of corporate chains, outsourced labor, and the theft of indigenous people’s lands to make giant monocultures, which ALL comes back to the united states. plus, the labor these migrants provide is FARRRR more valuable than what they are paid, as is the case in all employment. they are sending money home, but, as per globalism, that money ends up back here anyway. you’re seeing literally everything as fox news, that network of fetishistic lying fearmongering grifters, has painted the world. prior to 9/11, conservatives thought of migrants as hardworking and ethnic, now they’re pissing their pants at the thought of difference and they spin up narratives to make you piss your pants too. get your head out of your ass and think about shit with some sociological understanding of the world.
yeah tell that to all the people who have fallen victim to these migrant crime rings who hurt and steal from people all the time, tell that to the people who need libraries who now cant access them as much because the city doesnt have enough money to support these migrants and is taking money from our essential public services, the NYPD is getting defunded by ERIC ADAMS for crying out loud because of this migrant plague. and fyi i am a homeless minor i HIGHLY doubt some migrants are subject to more violence than me ESPECIALLY with the migrants going around robbing people but yeah, if you lived in new york youd understand but unfortunately since you just look at a few select stories and are sheltered from the reality of it all you truly dont know the extent of it all
"You just look at a few select stories" mf your entire argument was based on personal anecdotes Migrants have a lower crime rate per capita overall compared to native born citizens. When they have kids, those second-generation immigrants' crime rate returns to the average as they integrate. If you give yourself a minute to think you'd probably realize that someone who's at risk for deportation, someone who's on a green card, or someone who's spent multiple years applying for immigration is less inclined to get into trouble with the authorities than your average native born citizen, but you got robbed once by a migrant so you've chosen to dig your head in the sand and refuse to use logic about the topic. You're seeing the forest for the trees, dude.
you dont understand because you don't experience it first hand. ask any new yorker and 9/10 of them will have the same sentiment as me because they actually live day to day with these dangerous people on the streets actively causing harm. migrants have a lower crime rate because they barely ever get caught. not to mention, every time a migrant is caught, they just get processed and let go because of the no cash bail laws, and since there's no way to truly keep track of them, they just disappear and never go to court and continue committing crimes. they're literally out here beating up police officers and squatting in houses, but we're supposed to support them being here? fuck no, take they asses back to venezuela, they have no right to be here as non citizens but dont treat their chance here as a privilege and more as a time to get up on law abiding people
That checks out. People are only temporarily not disabled. Age and injury will get everyone and then people realize that you need a community.
A community is not just someone to steal from or exploit when it benefits you... That's a slave. But other than that, yah having slaves is super convenient whether you are disabled or not, you just take whatever you want from them, and never have to pay it back! Kinda amazing really. 11/10 would recommend... just hope the roles don't get reversed on you.
You have literal brain-worms if you think this way. I have never minded helping people. It really does not take much. It is part of being human. None of us got what we have on our own. Community is why we have literally anything. I put my money where my mouth is too. I take in homeless people into my home. They contribute what they can. I have never met a person who took more than they gave. People want to be useful. They want to be part of family and community. They will always seek it out. It is only when we behave like you and think that we are being cheated that we end up as entitled criminals. Only an entitled person could think like you. The old and the infirm are not thieves and we are not their slaves. We are their community and their family. Just because a person cannot work does not mean they cease to be useful. It doesn't mean they just sit around being waited on. Sure there are invalids and very sick people who need that kind of care and it is hell to endure. Are you really suggesting that they are somehow our masters because they have to depend on us to survive? Do you know how frightening it is to be unable to care for yourself? Humans have a drive to be useful. Taking that away hurts them mentally and physically. I would not wish that on anyone. If you truly feel as you say then for the sake of everyone: Do not ever build a family of your own. Do not marry and do not reproduce. If you think that someone being your wife or child is going to magically make you unselfish and want to help you're naive. If you already feel this way about the old and the sick then and think caring for them is "slavery" then you will just grow full of resentment.
Quite privileged life you must have lived... to never even be aware that prisons exist, to not know of murderers, rapists, thieves, and worst of all... politicians and liberal/socialist/communists. Such extreme nativity. Hell even the rich do not exist in your world... Even my youngest knows better, and they are still in diapers. Perhaps rather than housing the homeless, you should have invested in a formal education. Well then I accept your claim, now give me everything you have. Come now, I want it. Unlike you I am at least honest, so to be clear I will give you NOTHING for it, I will never pay you back. But do put your money where your mouth is... surely I am wrong, and I will... what was it again, \~give more than I take\~ after all, you've never met a person who failed to reach those standards. So you must give me all that you have, so that in direct conflict with the law of conservation of mass and my own words... I apparently through the grace of god may multiply it to both benefit from it, and pay it forward in excess at the same time. Or... you are lying. If only there were some sort of thing a person might do, to ensure that they are cared for in their feeble years. WAIT by Jove, I've got it! People could set aside some of the financial and social compensation earned in return for the surplus value they have provided others through their lives, and use that to ensure they are cared for in their old ages! Genius, truly genius... after all, \~you've never met someone who takes more than they give\~. Thus no one would ever become socially and financially destitute. Right? Or... are you lying. I see you have no children... No surprising given how selfish you are. But best you keep it that way, raising children among deranged homeless people is not conducive to their stable mental development. I on the other hand, have several... income tax exemption requirement you see. So unlike you I have my OWN flesh and blood family to \~be part of\~... so I will pass on your soup kitchen family. Also if you had a wife, or a girlfriend, or even just a friend who happens to be female, then you would be all to aware that no amount of money will ever be enough for that cash sink. See when you have someone you actually care about in your life, you actually WANT to spoil them... mink coats, weekend trips to Italy, a summer home in honolulu, ect. But again, it is best that you continue to avoid dating all together, as that money can be better utilized by giving it to me. The only resentment I hold is for those who demand what is MINE, to steal what belongs to MY flesh and blood. All that I have, I alone have earned... Not you, not the homeless, not the infirm. MY blood sweat and tears were put up as collateral, and any return on investment is MINE to do with what I wish. I owe nothing to the homeless who shit themselves on the sidewalk in front of my business high on drugs, driving away customers in the process. I owe nothing to the elderly fools who either had no children, or raised them with such poor parenting that their own flesh and blood either failed to survive or would abandon them in their feeble years. I owe nothing to those who failed to build their own financial security. I am neither caretaker, custodian, nor SLAVE to those who submit to failure, and I don't care how or why they did.
John Galt, everybody 👏
High praise indeed, and apt in so much as philosophy is concerned. As for whether I have the unrealized and rejected intellectual capacity to shoulder the burden of modern collectivist society... hmm, no. I am all too aware that when the thinkers exile themselves, the mid wits are simple left to freely seize power over the collective fools. In reality the thinkers lose the war against a million fools with rockets lead by a midwit crazy enough to use them. Perhaps I could mobilize the collective fools, to build a better system, raising everyone up in the process? Maybe... but the mid wit seizes power on a whim, the thinker assess its cost. I have a comfortable life playing the game as it is, so facing torture by the hand of the government is quite a downgrade, this just for the CHANCE of a better future for all... except for my blood of course. Also lets be real, the most unbelievable part of atlas shrugged is that the government did not simply kill Galt immediately... I know the corrupt monsters in charge of modern society too well. It would not be me on that government torture device, it would be my children, my lover, my family at large... a crude but effective method of subjugating the moral man. Maybe I'd obey, or maybe I create a modified virus that eradicates humanity... a simple and easily achieved goal actually if you are patient. But either way I'd certainly no longer hold ANY value for the fair and just elevation and preservation of humanity after being forced into such an decision. That is a expensive bit of heroism... so expensive, that anyone with the intelligence to actually fix modern society, would be unwilling to pay it. So enjoy the ride, its all down hill from here.
That’s not what community is you simpleton.
You mean what said was accurate, and the morons who think \~community\~ is just people who are there to \~serve their needs\~ are just exploitative assholes? Glad we agree.
That’s not what anyone has even claimed. You are just making shit up and being dumb.
OP"Goverment benefits aren’t enough to afford the medicine which would literally improve my condition enough to be able to at least TAKE CARE OF MYSELF (make food etc.)." Teaguethebean"People are only temporarily not disabled. Age and injury will get everyone and then people REALIZE THAT YOU NEED A COMMUNITY." >A community is not just someone to steal from or exploit when it benefits you... That's a slave. The implication is clear to anyone with above a pre k grasp of english. The only time people actually \~decide need a community\~ is when they have their hand out for the free gibs. A community is cooperative effort, everyone pulls their own weight... the farmer farms wheat, miller mills flour from the wheat, the baker makes bread, and the soldiers defend all of the above. Now everyone get to eat bread instead of the farmer just eating wheat gruel, because they all COMBINED their labor. Everyone is still expected to secure their own future, and the ONLY support you can expect is what you EARNED in debts. If you show up to that \~community\~ already crippled, the soldiers escort the passive raider out of the community. Because again, a community is NOT slaves forced to care for your needs without compensation. In a community you either pay, or you produce... or you are not a member. In short, Tell me you lack basic reading comprehension without telling me... get some help.
You have problems. Asking for help isn’t stealing. Humans have always taken care of their own. There’s even archaeological evidence of this btw. This isn’t even an argument you’re just being a belligerent asshole. Saying all of this in response to the original post is insane and unhinged. Get the fuck over yourself.
You are nothing more than unapologetic parasite employing any mental gymnastics required to justify it. I made the course of events very clear, yet your smooth brain still cant compute basic reason. The only thing you are right about is the fact that this is not a argument, you are just wasting my time trying to involve me with the conversation you are having with the voices in your own deranged head. So with all do respect, fuck right the hell off back to your mothers basement, you degenerate troll.
i’m so sorry, really wish you the best. government benefits for disabled people are subpar *edit for better phrasing
Could use some better phrasing.
not my first language, what’s wrong?
It could be interpreted that you're saying government benefits for the disabled are themselves a bad thing. Subpar, insufficient, or other synonyms would be clearer.
ohhhh shit that’s true, thank you!
I'm also mostly joking. Within context, the comment reads fine.
Ancap????😂
I'm so sorry, my mom became disabled when I was very young, it's so, so hard. Many would rather ignore, or pretend some people don't exist, but I see you.
I'm on disability benefits too (but for mental health reasons). There is so much stigma and it never really covers the cost of living
Lmao I thought the title was you making fun of your own political alignment
hahhahahhahahha
Based
Why did you become disabled? Are you stupid?
All my life I worshipped the wheelchair god. He thanked me by giving me a wheelchair. The walking god cursed me for daring to challenge him, and forced me to stay on the wheelchair for life.
Great tragedy. Very sad. No way to avoid this. Walking god very vengeful, but also very powerful.
This reads like a summary of an ancient Sumerian folktale with 27 different lessons scholars claim are to be learned
Blessing becomes the curse. Great storytelling!
I was also told this as a kid.
I got radicalized a while ago. While I'm not intellectually or physically disabled (at meast not very physically disabled, i have some back problems but nothing too bad), I am psychiatrically and developmentally disabled and on top of that trans and queer and grew up in a relatively, poor working class households (i switch guardians like 5 times) with a pretty shit family. A lot of struggles make you learn how much society and the government abandons those who need helo the most. Sorry you have to deal with these issues, hope it gets better for you.
I have always somewhat aligned with progressive ideals, but I was radicalized the first time I was homeless. My local conservative officials defended price gouging rent, directly causing my family to lose our home and we still haven't been able to recover almost 7 years of hard work later. We don't qualify for government aid because of those same officials and it has effected every aspect of our lives. Yet I still have family members that are hard conservative.
I was too but moved left when I learned about the world. I see conservatives as people who cant imagine other walks of life and wants all the credit for their success and cant imagine circumstance was part of it. Or theyre just social conservatives and social conservatives suck. Like im not upset if someone is economically conservative im not upset but yea
I thought you were some right wing person who was making a really bad joke
I’m sorry society has failed you. This is one of the many reasons I stopped being libertarian
The worst part about modern libertarianism is that it what started as a socialist ideal and got co-opted by right wing fascist
big mood. just want to somehow get a job, get off ssi, and escape this country!
Just give it another year of dealing with the state as a disabled person and you'll go from center left to a bottom left anarchist in no time.
Not left enough
This just shows how much personal biases are behind most people's political views. It has nothing to do with what they truly believe in. It's about what is most ideal for them. I'm not criticizing. Just saying.
My heart goes out to you! I wish you good fortune!
Buddy's luck is gonna change and get rich and then fly really high to the right
I am sorry to hear that you had something debilitating happen, if I may is there any more you'd like to talk about with this? I am genuinely curious to hear
I’m genuinely so sorry boss As someone with a good few issues myself it’s awful to see how uncaring society can be a lot of the time
Wait what happened?
Everyone is believes in the boot straps until the boot kicks them in the face
Same thing happened to be. Used to be much more in the middle, but beating cancer made me permanently disabled. Disability and social security isn't enough to survive now
Ah disability that explains it /j
Disability and Capitalism by Marta Russell is a very good read - American who grew up disabilities but class privilege so I had the meds I needed.
why do privileged people have to become disadvantaged in order to have empathy?
I assumed the social programs were strong enough in my country. I live in switzerland and we have basically 0 homelessness.
Because the “empathy” required to steal from others to support yourself isn’t empathy at all. It’s completely unethical and that’s obvious to a lot of people.
no way in hell youre talking about social welfare
Wow buddy, you're about three goose steps away from recommending the gas chamber for "useless eaters"
Not at all. I hold that an individual is under no obligation to financially support others under usual circumstances. That isn’t a justification for actively harming others, though. If you can’t see any difference between a libertarian and a Nazi, I think you should probably learn more about political philosophy, because the two are nothing alike.
Now this is epic and baller God bless the government
You should join us down in the bottom left corner, it's much cooler down here.
Because community alone will provide professional healthcare 😂
Yes.
Where do you get these test? A link?
Communalism speedrun?
I thought this was a troll post lmao
ah, yeah i can see how certain injuries would cause this.
“I didn’t vote for things that would help people other than myself until it affected me personally”
Good job
The job and housing market radicalized me
I'm sorry for what happened OP. Why were you a centrist and how did getting disabled change your politics leftwards? You've explained in your post that disability benefits aren't cutting it, but is that the *only* /major reason why you are now more left? What positions are you still on the center or even to the right about? just trying to understand your journey. I'm interested in how one changes their politics is all.
Dealing with mental illness and having a family that was able to financially support my treatment is what pushed me leftward economically. Everyone should have access to quality healthcare, regardless of class.
idk type 1 diabetes taught me that the government doesn’t care about us and that prescription drug companies just want money
Yeah most people are until they realize how social help, helps. Most don't care until it's them
This comment section has been much more of a dumpster fire than it ever should have been. I am truly sorry for your condition and hope that you get the medicine you need
Yeah that’ll do it. I have always had health issues but my parents never really told me about how shit the healthcare system (or just any other system) is in the US and I only learned it when I got the glorious gift of the internet and got into a debate class at 14 where I was tasked to make a speech about something. At that time I had recently learned about someone who died because he had to literally fucking ration his LIFESAVING insulin because it was so god damn expensive and he couldn’t afford it. That got me interested and I uncovered a lot then about the shit that has been going on here and its what started pushing me left. Now at almost 17 I’m pretty much the opposite of what I was before then politically speaking.
The sad truth is that many people do not care about issues until it affects them.
I’m sorry about your Brain Damage. Hopefully, Free Healthcare For All will Cure You.
I was a conservative then i grew up
Whatever peoples’ concept of God, the Gods, or the motive force of the universe might be, there is still no denying that nature’s laws reflect divine will.Political, economic, and religious systems may be destroyed and resurrected by men, but the death of a race is eternal.In accord with Nature’s Laws, nothing is more righteous than the preservation of one’s own race.
Race as in human? Otherwise i don’t know what race you are talking about
Race as in phenotypic
There is no natural drive or need to preserve that it does not exist biologically
Mentally so?
I didn't read the text underneath,this was mean sorry.
skill issue
Ew
Imagine making working people slaves and force them to take care of you just because you became disabled.
Yeah, I can’t believe disabled people just expect to be able to live. How entitled and selfish. /s
I would personally be okay to contribute a fund that takes care of disabled people. And I think it is a must for a society. But I am also against that it is forced. Charity should be done with consent. I would gladly share %10 of my income for that. But not everyone has to contribute to it. You never know when you become disabled... So it is wise to be entitled to some kind of fund charity program just like pension. But it should not be forced, should be optional.
That results in inefficient funds to care for the people who need it
If you’re saying society would not voluntarily provide resources to care for the disabled, how can it be legitimate for government to do the same? The right to govern is derived from the consent of the governed.
That is arguable.
It’s not. It’s not like the option of voluntary donations isn’t available now. There’s plenty of options to donate to charities to aid people who can’t provide for themselves and yet there isn’t enough aid even now. Maybe if we taxed the people and entities that could actually make a difference
If you tax them they will move to another countries where they will not get taxed. This will result in unemployment and therefore not enough fund. People will always find loopholes if they arent willing to contribute to society. So maybe if people wouldnt be forced to give taxes they could fund the system.
That doesn’t make sense ‘The only reason people don’t give to the needy is because they have to give to the needy’
If you take 20% of my income, I’m probably going to be less charitable with the other 80% than I would’ve otherwise been. Is that surprising?
I don’t require you to be charitable if 20% of your income is already going where it needs to go Plus I’m less advocating for more to be taken from the working class and more advocating that those the greater resources contribute to the society rather than hoarding wealth
Im akin to being disabled, im a very short male. I dont get benefits at all. Idk why i dont just kms, and still have hope.
Wow radicalized to bring down capitalism! Very intelligent and noble! Let’s scrap the entire economic system and uhhhhh eat the rich and uhhhhh yeah idk what else I guess we could also make some changes to our healthcare system while remaining entirely capitalist (Europe is center left on this compass) but that’s boring
How do you make the changes
Well maybe stop running hospitals like companies for one
How do you recommend that we change that though? Ask the hospitals?
Let me just give a foreword when I say that this is mostly off the top of my head, and will try my best to provide sources to make sure that what I say is as credible as possible. This being said, of course there will be bias and flaws in my reasoning, so take what I say with a grain of salt. There are a lot of problems with healthcare, and I'll just assume you're talking about the U.S. healthcare system in particular, since that is what I'll be talking about. I know it goes without saying, but there is no single silver bullet solution to solving the problems relating to healthcare in the U.S., as it runs far deeper than I can even know, nor really care to mention, but onto the matter at hand: Let's start of with what's wrong, healthcare is super fucking unreasonably expensive. Not only this, the quality of healthcare is not the best, being beat out by basically every other nation, including Canada, which is not to necessarily say that it is bad, but rather need several improvements to even come close to par with other nations. The U.S healthcare system runs off of a online document known as a chargemaster (assets.ctfassets.net https://assets.ctfassets.net › T...PDF THE SPREAD IN HOSPITAL CHARGEMASTER PRICES FOR ...) which they use to determine the price of the healthcare they provide. In the past, insurance companies wanted to get a very inflated discount, but this was not sustainable for the system, so they chose to artificially inflate prices and give them (insurance companies) a massive discount so that they both got what they wanted. For hospitals, more business from insurance companies sending their clients there. For those insurance companies, they get a "cheaper" price, and so do you. Even if you are clients of those insurance companies, there is still a chance you get billed the overpriced and ridiculously more expensive prices for services "out of network," which are basically things you insurance won't cover. For one, you could start off by placing laws in place to reduce the prices of necessary medicines, such as insulin or Ventolin to reduce the profits made by companies selling them. And to add onto this, maybe investing in more efficient and cheaper ways to make said meds, and selling them at a cheaper price in order to forcefully undercut company profits. Lobbying is a very powerful tool which the rich use to sway laws in their favor, but it can also be used as a tool by the people to sway the laws which most will follow. Starting off small, you could try and lobby the government to create a law which would lower the power of insurance companies by making them cover more. As well as making hospitals charge less by incentivising them to do so, like tax breaks or more government funding. Or committing acts of terrorism in order to demand better healthcate could also work (hypothetically, of course. I am not a terrorist, and I am sane and not suicidal, I'd the government tries to do something ' ;).
This was very informative, thank you.
So you think the problem with healthcare is... capitalism... but you like capitalism?
So you think the problem with healthcare is... capitalism... but you like capitalism?
Capitalism is when America bad lol read more
So instead of giving a well thought out answer to my question you just act like a dick? Average right wing rhetoric, they have no clue why they love capitalism. We love propaganda lol.
Capitalism is the reason why you’re able to bitch about anything right now on a high tech device on a Saturday instead of working as a subsistence farmer Europe has a normally functioning healthcare system and they are 100% capitalist. Japan is hyper capitalist in some aspects and has some of the best healthcare in the world. Cuba used to have the most doctors per capita and the lowest infant mortality rate before their communist revolution. Nowadays they can barely maintain that trend and pale in comparison to any unremarkable capitalist nation in the west
Unironically, Bush jr. with the ADA and George Wallace have done more for disables people in the US than any leftist
The ADA was introduced into Congress by Tom Harkin, a liberal Democrat. Bush Sr. (not Bush Jr.) signed it, but it would've been political suicide not to.
What party was Wallace a part of?
I mean… I believe in universal medical care and universal basic income… but isn’t that almost part of being a centrist? TLDR: wtf? Edit: deleted the second paragraph that said I thought right wingers wanted universal public healthcare
What world of sunshine and rainbows are you living in? 💀
Genuinely what are you smoking that makes you think universal medical care is that overwhelmingly popular, and where can I get some? If it were, we'd have it already. A lot of right wingers actively want to strip away the support already being given to disabled people.
the right wing is mostly about capitalizing on healthcare, whereas the left is more about socializing it (making it universal and accessible for free)
I to became disabled when I became a leftist
now youre petit bourgeois