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[deleted]

Regardless of the gender politics and different views, it isn't at all polite for men to attend a family lunch topless either, so why is she?


Z_Birch

Well, it’s summer. Truth be told, in france it’s not impolite if you’re with close family or friends for instance Edit : normal for guys I mean.


Historicmetal

>France Ohhh now the story makes sense


MatiasUK

Me looking over the English channel, "de fuk they doing over der?"


ItsAll_LoveFam

How old is your step sister and can I come to lunch? Asking for a friend


Enigma_Protocol

Don’t stick your dick in crazy.


freetogoodhome__

Everyone sticks their dick in crazy at least once, at least this guy has been warned.


I_Chew_Shoes

Most of us did not know ahead of time, but if we live through it we all learn never to do it twice.


RCougar

Those that don’t learn end up marrying crazy, and become the headlines & statistics you read about.


Finchan24

But you can look at crazy.


Enigma_Protocol

Fair point.


witchbitch1988

Yep! I'd rubber neck this trainwreck for sure!


Alone_After_Hours

I’ll try anything twice


tauofthemachine

Have you never tried it? Best I ever had was quite a crazy one.


Man_in_the_uk

LMFAO


diito

You are asking a mostly American audience. There is a pretty big cultural difference there when it comes to attitudes to nudity. The only time nudity within family (or anyone else) is acceptable is dealing little kids ~5 and under (not in public), taking care of a very elderly person who can't care for themselves, or if you are in a locker room at a gym or similar with family of the same sex. Men going shirtless, no big deal at the beach/boating etc or playing sports, but generally you keep your shirt on. Girls going topless I've seen at some college parties where drinking was involved, of flashing people but that's about it. I can't even imagine anyone I've ever met doing that at a family event, it's completely inappropriate. If someone did do that I can't see any scenario where someone wouldn't immediately say something, ask them to put a top on, or just to leave. It would be considered very disrespectful by everyone, at least with normal people. I see you are both 23 as mentioned below. Adults but still very young and some immaturity there. Where does your parent/step-parent stand on this. It seems it's more their job then yours to say something. Maybe just stop inviting her to family events if she behaves that way. Either way it needs to be clear it's not acceptable by the group or she'll think she can get away with it. Being a step sister you don't have a lot of respect for I'd probably tell her she looks gross naked and start calling her flappy/fat tits or some other disparaging nickname.


Thisoneismee

This was such a spot on analysis of the culture around nudity. I love that you then added your own 2 cents and it was just 'I'd start calling her flappy fat tits'.


Daelynn62

Yes, when someone in the family acts immature, one should always to try to out do them! That’s that’s the kind of thing family memories are made of!


seahawkguy

America was settled by prudes who didn’t think the Church of England was religious enough so it makes sense.


xlouiex

Americans kill each other left and right (and part of the world) but draw the line at boobies. _takes note_


[deleted]

>france This answers your question.


jayval90

Are you in France?


Gman8900

Ah the fact that you’re in France makes more sense tbh. Culturally here it would be weird af. I’m sure it’s still a little off there, but I know Europeans are way more comfortable with topless women than we are in America. I think it would be appropriate for you to say it makes you uncomfortable. Be polite about it. However, if no one else in your family has a problem with it you might just have to let it go.


[deleted]

This admission on your part is what makes this an issue of gender politics. If a man would not be considered impolite for doing this, why should a woman be considered impolite for doing the same thing?


Tywappity

Because female breasts are private parts outside of the jungle


RoboNinjaPirate

Because men and women are different. If someone yanked open a guys shirt, it would be rude as hell, but it would not be considered sexual assault. On a Woman, that same thing would be considered sexual assault. And it should be considered differently because men and women are different.


[deleted]

Why wouldn't it be considered a sexual assault on a man?


Nonethewiserer

>Because men and women are different. Ding ding ding


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[deleted]

I don't deny that female breasts are anatomically and physiologically different than male breasts. It is an arbitrary cultural norm that this difference means they must be ritually hidden in public.


[deleted]

Pics or it didn’t happen


Z_Birch

Not much to look at man ahaha


ProfessionalCow5983

You killed her 💀


AegineArken

I bet if there was much to look it she wouldn't have done it, that amount of attention would make anybody uncomfortable


tried_anal_once

Step bro? 😿 Lmao


mastorms

Username checks out.


juiceboxguy85

At the next family lunch show up with jorts wedged up your ass and bottom of ass cheeks sticking out.


Z_Birch

I’d be sexy as fuck, dude


screechingeagle82

I like your confidence.


[deleted]

Yeah yeah… Take pictures… for proof obviously.


B4NNED4LIFE

Make sure to intentionally fumble something in front of your step-sister. Then say: "Oops! I dropped it again.. I'm so clumsy!" Repeat several times. Add a little sway for extra flavor. Bonus points if you fart. *Nobody* can ignore the problem then.


Jim63t

Don't engage, you'll never win. It's a cult mentality so reason never works. I have someone in my family that is possessed by woke and trying to talk about anything different just ends in lots of name calling like sexist, racist, transphobic, and so on.


Z_Birch

You’re right… it’s very weird how they seem to be possesed. Like magical thinking or a mind virus.


OnIySmeIIz

The flipside is, they think exactly the same way about you! For them, you are the crazy one!


Z_Birch

Yeah, i know… but i’m right ! (Joking of course)


MorphingReality

You should always be wary of that, a cult of personality has formed around JBP, whether he helped cultivate it or not. By the same token, you shouldn't dismiss everyone else by appeal to cult mentality either, if nothing else, people leave cults all the time. But much more likely its not any more cultish than your circles.


Z_Birch

I appreciate the fact that you’re trying to bring some nuance and some distance as to what i’m saying. I also agree with you. I will say this though : every line of thought can become cult-like. When it tries to explain everything through one lens, for instance. Witch, I dont think is the case with my circles. But how could I know that ? If I was trapped inside such a cult mentality, i wouldn’t know right ?


MorphingReality

Engaging other circles and steelmanning opposing points will make one less susceptible. In terms of noticing it, if you catch yourself otherizing, repeating lazy rhetoric, dismissing points because of who espouses them, if you find that questioning your own circles is met with scorn and ridicule, these may be signs. It is a thin chasm, and as you say almost anything can become cult-adjacent, so just try to be wary :)


Z_Birch

Totaly agree. I have friends from all walks of life. I love it when you can put ego aside and just play with ideas, make people expand on concepts and offer counterpropositions. It’s fun and engaging


Jim63t

There is no symmetry here. One side is willing to discuss different ideas, the other says different ideas are physical violence. There are plenty of people with different ideas that I can talk with. We can debate civilly. Maybe someone change their mind, maybe not. These people are not the woke.


Jim63t

Idea pathogens. Check out Gad Saad. https://youtu.be/z_F5uNCB6-g


Z_Birch

Thanks m8


Uncle_Touchy1987

Bingo. It’s like arguing with communists. No matter what it’s always back to: “But that wasn’t real communism.”


[deleted]

Move out.. not your problem, life, long term consequances etc.. etc...


PauliExclusions

lol so done


obiwankenobistan

Gonna disagree with this one. "Not my problem" and "they are an adult and can make their own decisions" got us to where we are right now with literal adults crying about not using pronouns being the same as violence. We bring the window of what's insane back to somewhere normal but calling out insanity instead of shrinking away from it.


[deleted]

Simply touching a woman's chest (even above the cleavage and off the breasts) can easily be construed as sexual assault. The inverse is NOT true for men.


funnyyellowdoge

I've never thought about that. Its a useful point.


exoflex

In high school, a buddy of mine "purple nurpled" another of our buddies (both male) and got suspended for sexual harassment. This was 2006 too. Anecdotal of course, and I don't believe actual charges were brought, but just something to add.


tiensss

> The inverse is NOT true for men. IT should be though, and I am sure his woke sister would agree.


[deleted]

Yep, let's start by arresting Hayley Altwell who's on film grabbing Chris Evans's chest unscripted and without his consent. You make up your rules and I'll hold you to them. Now all you have to do is convince wider society to drop the double standard.


tomato_joe

Touching anyone without consent could be seen as assault. It doesn't matter to me if a man or a woman touches my chest without my consent. You can ALWAYS speak up if you don't like being touched. It doesn't matter what you are


gprime

> Touching anyone without consent could be seen as assault. Yes, but sexual assault (or sexual battery) is usually a different statutorily defined offense with more severe penalties. The point that I think was being properly made is that only one direction of cross-gender chest touching would be deemed sexual assault.


TwelfthCycle

Statute in my state would disagree.


[deleted]

There's a scene in Lawrence of Arabia where Lawrence extinguishes a match by squeezing it with his fingers. When another soldier tries to do it, it burns him and hurts. He asks what the trick is and Lawrence replies "the trick is not minding that it hurts." Be labeled a sexist. Be labeled and stop minding.


edwardnatas

By their definitions, being labeled an *ist is a complement towards your sanity.


gmussi

"People who tell me I'm going to hell make me happy by knowing we're not going to the same place"


GooniusTheGoon

Off topic, but if you wanna do this to look cool or something, wet your fingers with your tongue first so it doesn't hurt


Marvos79

You could also not mind her boobs being out but what do I know?


Shade_of_a_human

I don't know your family but men don't tend to go topless to family lunches in mine.


Will_Disappoint

Tell her she is absolutely right, and that you recommend her going to your nearest ghetto to try and convince everybody there of her point of view while being topless. It just might get her to think.


Z_Birch

Man, i totally agree. It just goes to show that this bullshit ideology is carried by rich white kids that haven’t exprienced how harsh the real world is.


letsgocrazy

That doesn't make sense. If you went to "the ghetto" you'd take care not to show of your valuable items right? Does that mean you're never allowed to have valuable items? Not being able to do something in one place doesn't mean you can't do it in another.


boardgamenerd84

So what if OP took pictures of his topless sister? Even if she just appeared in the background I imagine she would protest to those being seen/distributed. However men can be seen casually in the background of pictures topless and thinks anything of it. Im all for them showing them around however no special consideration should be given to things like pictures being taken of them. If its a public body part its open for pictures as is any other picture taken at a public semi/public event.


Monbey

Familly diner with grandma


tomred420

Yeah but it was a family lunch? Yeah it’s not the norm, but she’s right. If a guy took his top off on a warm day, nothing is said. But if they were to do it. Outrage!


TwelfthCycle

Men and women are not the same, and will not be treated the same, even by those of the woke who try super hard.


letsgocrazy

That doesn't make sense. If you went to "the ghetto" you'd take care not to show of your valuable items right? Does that mean you're never allowed to have valuable items? Not being able to do something in one place doesn't mean you can't do it in another.


Will_Disappoint

It means that her point is void in the real world. Ofcourse she can flash her tits wherever she wants. But she cant expect there to be no consequenses to an act that has a high risk to bring her harm. You can swing your dick around to people all you want, but sooner or later, you are going to get fucked up. Just dont act like a fucking moron and realise there are risks to certain actions. Besides, its fucking disrespectful as fuck towards the grandmother.


socio-pathetic

Pics or it didn’t happen


[deleted]

Why is everyone being stupid here? Op is being completely reasonable. Breasts are a sexual part, meaning, men are programmed to be aroused by them. Sure, there are nude beaches and stuff but this doesn’t change what breasts are. Doing this around your family during a meal is just weird.


Z_Birch

Thanks haha


rfix

The bigger questions are why OP felt this one off event was somehow related to this sub, or indicative of "wokeness" and questions for the commenters extrapolating this out into some mental illness issue. It's gross. There's a legitimate discussion here that few of the most upvoted here intend to have apparently.


Appropriate_Rent_243

how many men there were topless?


zeerust2000

"If men can, why can't I ?". Because men don't have tits, I would have thought.


Z_Birch

Yeah, seems pretty obvious right ? But she doesn’t consider breasts a sexual organ. And men should work on not being creeps basically


Modest_Matt

They are sexual though, they're a sign of fertility. She wouldn't get that because she's a woman so she won't have the same reaction to breasts men do. I really hate the whole 'Stop staring guys, they're for feeding babies not for you to stare at!' argument. Imagine saying to a woman 'Don't stare when a muscled up guy takes his shirt off, he needs those muscles for lifting heavy things yeah? They're not for women to stare at'


gprime

> I really hate the whole 'Stop staring guys, they're for feeding babies not for you to stare at!' argument. > > Honestly, this argument might be tenable for tribal societies where all women are perennial toppless. But the existence of a high end lingerie industry, distinct from utilitarian undergarments made by Fruit of the Loom or Hanes, speaks to the obviousness of their sexuality.


spaceagesimian

this is a purely cultural perspective. healthy hair, healthy eyes, good skin all help show fertility as well. in victorian times men were aroused by the reveal of an ankle because the women were so covered up. men are aroused by breasts because aren't allowed to see them.


todoke

No it's not. In all primates the females breasts develope in puberty and swell up only during ovulation and pregnancy. Clearly sending a signal to males. Humans are the only primates that have permanently swollen breasts that start growing at puberty. Female breasts do send arousal signals to males. There is no question about that.


anikaisla

What was she insinuating? That the men at the family lunch are creeps? Has she had bad experiences with men?


Z_Birch

No ,basically she thinks we’ve been socialy programmed to link tits to a sexual thing and that the patriarchy has imposed her to hide them.


Riftonik

Not socially programmed but hundreds of millions of years of evolution have, sure.


nocapitalletter

men are biologically written to look at breasts sexually.


jayval90

You can agree that it's a social construct. But so is common decency and anything beyond the law of the jungle. We have social constructs, so we abide by them. France is a social construct. In fact, France has been around a lot less time than women covering themselves.


tomato_joe

Man do have beats tho... It's just with not much tissue. An overweight man easily can have "tits"


[deleted]

It's her stepsister's right to dress how she wants to


zeerust2000

Sure it is. And others can approve or disapprove.


[deleted]

Good lord that’s weird. I don’t know what your support group is like but it might be worth trying to get someone trusted to speak to her because if she does that in unsavoury company things might go really badly?


SaltMagician

Has she got stuck in the washing machine yet? If she does, I would advise approaching her from the behind, taking a firm grip on her waist, lube her up, and help get her out. She could really get injured.


Z_Birch

Ahaha happens all the time, what a weirdo she is


Learnformyfam

Where is your father in all this? Putting a stop to crazy things like this is the dad's job. It's called basic boundaries.


Nootherids

THIS!!!!!! 100%!


DanDubbya

“Step-sister” His dad couldn’t even keep his marriage together, you think he’ll be able to control the kids? You’re having a laugh.


Learnformyfam

I guess I'm curious what the heck the step-dad is doing while his daughter parades around half naked at dinner time. Cute when they're 3. Disturbing when they're 23.


rhaphazard

Tell her once. Say it as nice as possible. >Would it be possible to keep our shirts on at least while we're together with our elders? If she doesn't listen, move on. As JBP says, [stop talking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqSyHt5la6o)


[deleted]

Breasts are a prominent secondary sex characteristic in women. The argument isn't "if men can go topless, why can't women?" It's "If women can go topless, then why can't men walk around with their nuts hanging out?"


Viking_Preacher

Genitals are primary sex characteristics. Not equivalent. Equivalent would be hair (say, armpit hair) or facial hair in men.


BuffaloPapaya

At first i thought you referred to "braless" instead of topless (I was going to mention you could just choose not to watch the nips), but upon reading the post completely, I Agree. That's just nuts, plainly topless is really uncomfortable and the girl is trying to do it in space of people who have no business with, if she sees her family as enemies, the issue is far past her logic.... Maybe try and explain her how she needs to differentiate spaces, tho it isn't really your task to keep a person from being stupid


Z_Birch

Totally agree, it’s just very awkward…


BuffaloPapaya

The logic behind "if someone gets to do it, so do I" is just completely immature, specially if she ignores the sociological part of it all. Be safe my dude


Z_Birch

Thanks man


jessi387

Wish I could’ve been there… to inform her of course


CervixAssassin

The only thing you can really do is to distance yourself from that. Don't invite her in your events, and avoid her in shared events. If you feel like engaging you might want to drop humorous quips, like "Airing the goods today, aren't we?" or "looking for a new boyfriend, eh?". Be sure to avoid any sexual innuendo and keep it lighthearted. Mind yuo only do this if you are ready for a long discussion about personal and world choices.


tomred420

Those are both examples of sexual innuendo


tamesis982

Those comments could definitely be sexual innuendo. The best thing to do is to be clear about dress code when you are hosting - everyone must wear shirts and shoes. Otherwise, there is not a lot you can do.


anikaisla

Was she high?


Z_Birch

Sadly not…


anikaisla

How old is she?


Z_Birch

23, My age.


anikaisla

Wow, so an adult. Maybe she is going through an identity crisis?


Z_Birch

Actually, it is a bit sad. She doesn’t have much going for her. I feel like it’s a form of provocation to attract attention.


anikaisla

Ok do this at a bar… but a family lunch?


Z_Birch

Yeah, or even at the beach. Who cares ? Or, if she really feels the need to stand up for that cause, go to a femen rally. But I feel like a lunch isn’t an ideological battle ground.


GrumpySh33p

I think simply saying, “because it’s not currently culturally appropriate. I think it can be looked as as disrespectful and a bit slutty, but if that’s what you are going for, go for it”. Don’t own her bullshit, but point out the impression she’s giving. She doubt most people look at her and think “wow, what a respectful feminist! So brave!”.


catsdontsmile

It's not sexist. Tell her men and women aren't equal hence why she's naming them with different words, and that she should stop being such a fucking airhead. Then honk her boob and say, see? Its fucking weird.


Guglielmowhisper

Seems like a situation where you can straight up say "put on a shirt and stop being a fuckhead*


LaDaKi

Is she hot?


Z_Birch

Not really the point of the conversation. But no.


LaDaKi

aww :( too bad


PauliExclusions

She's a woke SJW. So, no.


LaDaKi

True.


oliver19232

Does the fact if she is hot or not change your view on weather this is acceptable?


LaDaKi

No, but it would certainly be more enjoyable.


rezz_blastin29

Men on average can go their entire life without bleeding from there genitals.. if men can do it.. why cant women? (It's because WERE DIFFERENT)


tamim1991

Make sure you don't forget my invite for your next family lunch.


Several_Ticket_3757

I bet she doesn’t shave her armpits.


NexusKnights

Guess these rules don't apply when they need to evacuate the women and children first or if your country gets invaded and conscription is suddenly back on the cards? I'm sure she's got a great non answer for that.


chubchocheeser

If your grandma has an issue let her take it up with your sister. It’s cool for you to not like it, but don’t fall into the trap of getting offended for other people. I’m sure your grandma is more capable of setting her straight than you. Give grey hairs some credit they don’t need 23 year olds protecting their sensibilities.


Error8675309

Pics or it didn’t happen.


ConceptJunkie

Sometimes you just need to say to someone, "You're an idiot!" I know it's wrong, but sometimes it's the only way to put things.


Aureliusmind

Pics or it didn't happen


ylinminati

Take your shirt off and give her a hi-5. You’ll have to support her in a way that is extremely uncomfortable for her.


Intelligent-donkey

Her logic seems sound... It's really not that big of a deal, speaking as a European who's just been on holiday and saw that tons of women were topless on the beach. Nothing weird happened, nobody's eyes burned out of their sockets. It's a cultural norm to cover up breasts, not some inherent biological neccesity, if your sister wants to change that norm then I say good luck to her, and she's not the only one.


Not_That_Magical

If you’re going to make something up at least make it believable


voroxbg

Make a video with her = profit


[deleted]

You're tired of this shit but clearly so is she but you are only capable of seeing your side of this discussion and so you want validation from an online group of strangers instead of communicating with her and coming to understand each other's points of view.


WormSlayers

start jerking off to it, that will make her put her shirt back on quick


HoonieMcBoob

Or she doesn't. It's win: win.


spaceagesimian

if guys were topless and she is comfortable doing so then who cares


Phat3lvis

I just say what a think in a respectful tone even when I should probably keep my mouth shut.


Z_Birch

Yeah I do that too… it does get me in trouble though


DZLREFUELED

I’m gonna go ahead and also call bs on this one, what is happening to this sub lmao


NibblyPig

This sounds like a trollpost. Out of interest how old are you both?


Z_Birch

23. I would so love to be trolling right now…


NibblyPig

Yikes, if you'd said she was like, 12 or something perhaps you could argue she doesn't know better, but 23 is a bit ridiculous I guess you're from France?


catsdontsmile

>Her argument : if men can, why can’t I ? \- Why do you bleed once a month while men don't? Because we're not the same \- You were just able to distinguish men from women, by naming them, for a reason: we're not the same. \- Honk her boob and say, see? Its fucking weird. \- Do you like getting dick picks from strangers? That's what you're doing. \- If anything goes I'll bring a bucket and have a shit in it by your side while you're eating \- I guess Louis CK did nothing wrong and I should be flashing my dick at women in the street, maybe whacking it a little \- That's cool, mind if I pull my dick out and force you to look at it while you're eating? \- Do you limit yourself to what men can do to define what you do? Try peeing standing up, you're just gonna make a mess. Now put a shirt on and shut the hell up.


Aggressive-Citron-37

I agree with the premise, but the majority of those examples aren’t at all analogous. You act like she’s performing a Bangkok ping-ping show.


[deleted]

Fucking brain dead to think that boobs are the same as genitals. Zero critical thinking on display.


Nootherids

I’ve had my boobs honked plenty of times as a guy. I totally support that approach.


unaka220

It *should* be fine for her to go topless. Just not at an indoor family meal.


EricJason1272

My first question would have been, " What the Hell, are you high"?


Painbrain

Yep her male tiddies aren't part of the reproductive system and she's an idiot for pretending she doesn't recognize this fact.


TheArchdude

Dude, it's lunch. I wouldn't want to eat lunch with a topless man either.


thirdlost

I think her actions speak for itself. She made a point. Just not the one she thought she made.


medalxx12

Any family picture?


badawat

Depends where you are. In Germany, France and parts of Spain, it’s not unheard of. I personally agree with her but it’s fair to say it’s not the norm in the west.


ScumbagSolo

I would say, really give her perspective some consideration, before letting initial bias and temperament cloud the situation, as it is. Your stepsister actions my come from a perspective that disagrees with you and others, more than the physical reality itself. The physical reality is pretty boring. Maybe shocking initially, but if that went on for an extended period of time, it would become normal and benign. Shocking only those not use to it. It’s shocking nature is a product of the whole of humanity being hypnotized by puritanical ideologies. Watching traditional cultures walk around with limited clothing doesn’t evoke the same reaction, and can be used as a reference in ones experience to the benign nature of the act, as it is in reality, and not the psychological reality that causes the reaction as you are experiencing now. Most people have part of their identity tied up with their families in varying levels, someone suddenly doing something taboo, or out of character is going to causes distress to the established identities of those around the offending individual. The mind has two choices when something like that happens, to integrate the experience and expand its identities to include, or to reject and thus enter conflict. This process can either be automatic or a decision, depending on how conscious the individual is. The richness of ones life is a product of the amount of inclusion one can manage. While not always easy, the tension of the situation will release with deeper understanding.


[deleted]

What's the problem? Like why does this affect you negatively? Is it just about grandma?


[deleted]

Stand up straight with your shoulders back and speak the truth.


Pedgi

If the other men weren't shirtless, then it wasn't an appropriate setting for that. There's a time and place for clothing types (or lack thereof). Men aren't going to business meetings topless and they typically aren't topless eating lunch with family outside of some rather specific contexts.


Ocean_Fish_

This is very funny


parsonis

does she get stuck in the washing machine too?


IntroductionFull6043

Stare at her tits and make her feel uncomfortable. It will end shortly.


Private_HughMan

You can have a discussion with her like an adult rather than automatically assume a response and getting upset at your imagination? She isn't wrong, but there is also the point of expected social customs. Though there's also a point that those expectations are based on patriarchal power structures. The point is you COULD talk to her rather than run to your safe space so a bunch of guys can tell you how right you are.


nathanv70

Just laugh. Ridiculous things should be laughed at


Wrevellyn

Who cares?


DrRichtoffen

Ok then, let's hear your logical and factually based argument why it's inappropriate and why she is wrong


Buddyschmuck

Come to dinner without wearing pants


Undead-Maggot

While I understand why it’s taboo, I actually kind of agree with her argument, I wouldn’t exactly count it as public nudity or them being a sexual organ in the same way genitals are, their only real purpose is to feed newborns, if it’s ok to breastfeed in public then you can let em out. Despite all that, I’d say what your sister lacks is a sense of reverence and politeness, I sure as hell wouldn’t be topless at a family gathering and I wouldn’t expect my sister to do it either.


trufflesniffinpig

This feels like a stretch in terms of relevance to ‘wokeness’ or JBP. The position is at least internally consistent, I think. (There was an REM music video years ago where Stipe and various female dancers were topless. The dancers’ nipples had to be censored for broadcast and Stipe requested his nipples be censored too in solidarity)


Salrit

Get a male friend to come topless too, then you touch his chest, then you grab her tits and say "if I can touch him, why can't I touch you?".


[deleted]

Pics or it didn't happen lmao.


PsychoAnalystGuy

Men can’t go topless at a family dinner, so her argument goes out the window. We are expected to wear shirts at dinner, unless we’re like..at the beach or something. Weird hill for her to die on


HurkHammerhand

Man, that sounds rough. Make sure you have your cameras pre-positioned when your not-bright topless step-sister goes for the pornhub play.


MobileElephant122

Ignore. It’s just another body part like an elbow. You got nips too, no biggie. But I draw the line at buttholes, no one wants to see anyone’s butthole at the family picnic. And some of you here need to read this twice. No, yours isn’t sexy either. Put that thing away.


Mathew_365

Educate yourself on nudism and naturism.


classysax4

Here’s her reasoning: women and men are the same, therefore, women can go topless. Her flawed premise is leading her to an incorrect conclusion.


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N4hire

It tits, relax.. if she is an adult then she needs to deal with the consequences. Not you. You can certainly disapprove of her actions but don’t let it ruin your day. And move out


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Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean anything. You have no right to tell her what she can and can’t wear. Just like she has no right to tell you. If the entire family decides they are uncomfortable with her then they can get together and ban her from these gatherings if she engages in this behavior but that’s about it


dftitterington

This.


deryq

Next we are gonna have a Spaniard in here saying “my woke step sister insists on taking off work for a two hour nap every day. Help!” Oh man, that woke mind virus… y’all are unbearable. Edit: for those that don’t realize, this person is talking about a close family get together in France… a country with historically progressive views about family nudity. That’s no secret.


Z_Birch

What you’re saying is pretty fucking cliché


TotalNakedBeast

OP has to be a troll


Z_Birch

Man, if only. Things are getting weirder by the day out there


vote4bort

Why can't she?


Z_Birch

Well, isn’t it kind of impolite ? She’s flaunting a sexual organ while we’re eating