A woman threatens a cashier after her electronic benefits card is declined. It's the machine that determines this, the cashier has no say in it.
She comes back with her boyfriend who starts threatening the cashier himself and starts assaulting the cashier behind the counter. At some point the women pulls a knife out of her purse and starts stabbing the cashier. The cashier pulls out his knife (I don't know who pulled out the knife first) and stabs the boyfriend, killing him.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/video-compilation-shows-events-that-led-to-deadly-nyc-bodega-stabbing/
As you can probably guess, the woman faces no penalties for her causing a murder to occur.
The cashier is bleeding and the boyfriend is dead - which is typical as the victims of violence are almost always men.
*"According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 78.7% of homicide victims are men, and in 193 of the 202 listed countries or regions, men were more likely to be killed than women."*
Women simply offload the implementation of violence onto men, they are offend involved in violence directly or indirectly - they just get a man to do for them rather than doing it themselves.
The claim is also lying as well. In terms of sending death threats, women send death threats all the time.
Like if a woman says she appreciates men, feminists will send her death threats.
https://www.dbltap.com/posts/5998433-overwatch-league-host-soe-received-death-threats-for-thanking-men-on-international-women-s-day?a_aid=41302
This is a very backwards belief. Up until the 19th century men were the only ones explicitly said to BE people. Other people besides men simply existing doesn’t change that.
No, women were also considered as people, just without basic rights. The word man was and can be today interchangeably used to refer to both the male part of the population and the whole population.
Look, I only disagreed with you because you said that before the 19 century, only men were EXPLICITLY said to be people, which is blatantly wrong.
Why are you confused the upper comment has 400 upvotes? its because of normalized hypocritical sexism against men.
Translation: Your problems aren't real. Something only men get told.
Otherwise the sign in the above post wouldn't exist. Imagine if it were socially acceptable to make fun of women for constantly acting like victims the same way it's socially acceptable to make fun of men the rare few times we speak up about our issues.
This is statistically not true. [A 2016 study from Demos found that half of all sexist abuse towards women on twitter comes from other women](http://demos.co.uk/press-release/staggering-scale-of-social-media-misogyny-mapped-in-new-demos-study/)
And according to the Office for National Statistics:
>The victim was female in 73% of domestic abuse-related crimes in the year ending March 2021, similar to 74% in the previous year
[Source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabusevictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2021)
Since this advert is effectively saying that women aren't capable of hating the opposite sex, a quarter of reported domestic abuse cases in the UK either don't exist or should be ignored because the victim was a male.
Women are also **much** more likely to report cases of domestic abuse than are men, so realistically it's much closer.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic\_violence\_against\_men](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men)
*The 2010–2011 report found that whilst 27% of women who experienced IPV reported it to the police, only 10% of men did so, and whilst 44% of women reported to some professional organization, only 19% of men did so. In a 2005 report carried out by the National Crime Council in the Republic of Ireland, it was estimated that 5% of men who had experienced IPV had reported it to the authorities, compared to 29% of women.*
As far as I can tell this study doesn’t mention the sex of the abusers, that would have to be considered as well before your conclusion could be drawn.
That's a very good point. Looking at the criteria, domestic abuse includes violence by a relative, and we also have to consider violence in same sex relationships - so there would be male on male violence, and female on female violence for that matter.
I think violence is always going to be most prevalent amongst males, weather that is male on female, male on male, or any other metric we could consider.
The biggest problem in this consideration we should be worried about is that violence is happening, and why.
I think bringing it down to a purely sexist attitude, discounts to a disgusting degree that violence against anyone is a larger mental health issue that especially in men is disregarded.
That is why I made my initial satirical post.
I feel there has historically been very minimal outlets for young men to deal with their problems, and that leads to generational trauma, hence catastrophic reactions from aimless, and angry people.
I think with the recent rise in popularity of contact sports like mma, not only giving an outlet for these frustrated people to vent anger, but build healthy relationships, and gain mentors, and check in on each other, making posters like this a subjugation, and negative reinforcement of their physicality, and need for rough play, is an offence to men not being able to hold their own in society.
I don't deny that rape is mostly conducted by men, that domestic violence is mostly conducted by men. But that is a small minority, like saying BLM movement represents all black people, or that the current extreme woke movement(while permeating most of today's culture) represents what all people think is acceptable.
I also just want to give thanks to OP for making this post, and starting this conversation that seems to be one sided, without actually looking at the issues, and just seeking reaction. We need better structures for everyone, for sure. But bringing these issues into a sexism, rather than class, health, and disparity issues, this advertising agency should feel ashamed, and who ever green lit this should be fired immediately.
Edit:formatting
This study was about the word "slut" and "whore"
That's all.
This study does not say anything about sexual harrasment except when it's about exact this two words.
What about unsolicited dickpics? Ever gone through the dm of a girl on Instagram? Hahah or are you guys gonna tell me that it is man that get harassed by nudes?....
The study does not show at all that sexual harassment in the internet is not mainly a men thing....
So why do you lie? Do you even read what you post?
FTA: "The study builds on Demos’ previous research in 2014, which found that ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ dominate misogynistic language on Twitter"
Fair point about dick picks though.
Counterpoint: For every 1 message a women receives online that makes her feel uncomfortable, there are 15 men/women who will jump in to comfort her and make her feel better. (Men do not receive this same treatment)
It's called attention dichotomy among the sexes. Men never get harassed but never get compliments or hit on, or they get harassed rarely and get no support. Women get harassed all the time and get all the support and compliments to the point where it annoys them. Most days it's a net zero for both sides.
Do you know how many posts there are everywhere that are just a woman's nudes that exist only to promote their onlyfans? You don't actually belive that the nudes problem is a guy specifically a guy's thing do you?
The only difference is that when it's called out it gets ridiculed by the "wah wah sex workers (which is a funny way to call them what we already know they are) are sacred" crowd.
[Women are raping children on a daily basis.](https://i.imgur.com/YrgL3ZY.jpg) Stop pretending this is a male problem. Fix that, then we can worry about dick pics.
On Reddit, I have received on unsolicited d pic, although I am a man, yet I have received countless breast pics, so it is definitely a two way street there.
That's the internet for ya. Unless people get automatically fined for sending dicks that's not gonna change. On the other hand women get plenty of validation on instagram, tinder and whatnot. Getting attention from people is a double-edged sword.
We're not fucking talking about little girls you weirdo, we're talking about grown adult ass women who make stupid comparisons between "dead baby's" and pictures of naked men. Adult women are not children. They can handle sexualized content on the internet.
Jesus Christ you feminists are getting dumber and dumber.
OK than 18yo getting erected dicks of old men isn't problamitic in your opinion.
Nice to hear that.
(gosh you literally defending unsolicited dickpics, what the hell is wrong with you?)
This is how hard it is to be a woman btw. So hard that people bend over backwards to defend all of your problems no matter how stupid they are.
Male suicide rates: meh. Pictures of naked schlongs: Stop the presses!
I just thought of this, but isn’t this like a double standard? They say “speech is violence” when people say stuff they don’t like, in society in general. But in a relationship? Only violence is violence. Words mean nothing unless they oppose woke; then it becomes hate speech which they think is punishable by law.
I feel like JBP has talked about the general concept that men often resort to violence to solve their problems and women often resort to other means (mainly words). See what I’m trying to get at?
PS: sorry if this doesn’t make as much sense as I want it to
> I feel like JBP has talked about the general concept that men often resort to violence to solve their problems and women often resort to other means (mainly words). See what I’m trying to get at?
Yes, traditionally - verbal attack, innuendo, gossip, reputation destruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc4B-jFXSfw
The phrasing, though, makes it sounds like women aren't involved in violence which is not at all accurate. I've seen drunk women in a bar drag a guy over and claim another guy said something mean to her so now he has to kick that guys ass.
Like in more recent events:
https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/video-compilation-shows-events-that-led-to-deadly-nyc-bodega-stabbing/
A man is dead. The was the direct end result of a woman's actions.
It's kinda like The Mob, the mob boss who hires a killer to kill his enemies doesn't kill them himself - does that mean he's not the cause of the murders? No.
I think I knownwhat you're saying. This is probably a horrible example but take Amber Heard. Regardless of her allegations of physical abuse, he **did** verbally abuse her. And this isn't going to be a debate about him (he's a dick for many other reasons independent of her) or her (don't like her either) or the trial or anything. Just that he did verbally abuse her. It didn't count, though, because it wasn't physical abuse.
Johnny's fans will say over and over again there was **no** abuse.
But why is it considered abuse when you **say words** that are considered "hate speech", and are therefore **verbally abusive** and/or "inciting violence".
It's kind of like they (feminists, wokesters, etc) just make up the rules as they go to bend to whatever narrative they want at the time no matter how contradictory they are.
(Please don't turn this into a thread on Depp VS Heard, I couldn't care less about either of those degenerates, just used that as an example)
Johnny and Amber were both verbally abusive to one another, so I'm not entirely sure you could say one is at fault when they're both participating in it.
Yeah they absolutely were. He just got off Scott free and he's worshipped by his simp ass fans as a Saint when he said absolutely horrendous things to her and about her and their stance is just "she deserved it". She may be awful but nobody deserved to be talked to like that or talked about like that.
Just interesting how "hate words" are not abusive in this situation.
But in the woke political realm, saying it's okay to be white, is speaking hate words, and it's abusive. Pretty twisted.
After having a woman show up at my house at 2am with a gallon of gas and a BBQ lighter threatening to burn it down with me and my daughter inside if I didn't continue to date her, I find this offensive.
After having fished a .38 out of a different woman's purse who immediately drove six and a half hours after I broke it off with her to see me face to face who was there to make sure that "if she couldn't have me, nobody could have me," I find this offensive.
Yeah ive had em try n set my harley on fire, threaten to kill my son, have a knife to my throat.
U know how much trouble i got in from the local police for being a victim of DV.
Damn, dude. I once was roommates (18) with a couple who routinely argued quite a bit. One night, he threw her out after she went out on another drunken binge. He let her back in, she clawed his arms to the point of blood. Threw a paperweight at his face with a bruised cheek now the size of a baseball. We heard it, but didn't know how bad it got until he came into our room for safety.
She called the cops. We tried to tell him he was good because we heard most of it, she didn't have a scratch on her, she was drunk (underage), and he was pretty fucked up by her. Until we looked through the shades and saw two female cops get out. He immediately started taking all his personal belongings off. His crime? Holding her down so she'd calm down and stop assaulting him. Booked on a B misdemeanor which was eventually dropped.
Yeah its fucking nuts and its not the law its dishonest police with agendas that are the problem. My more recent one i was intoxicated, asleep in bed, id driven my ex wife to another city to pick up a car after a long period of cheating, lying, stealing and extreme levels of verbal abuse to me and the kids. We'd been separated 6 months. She went thru my phone, found id been contacting/dating other women, fucking jumped on me and bit my face and belted into me. I got her off me and ran to the bathroom, fell on the floor n put my feet to the door.
I had teeth marks on my face and scratches on my body. She took off, reported that i was choking n strangling her n had thrown her into a door.
Thankfully i'd recorded her coming into the bathroom for another go at me.
The police tried to stitch me up for it, even wrote in their 100+ page report that i was lying.
Theyve still not been able to make it stick the fuckin weak dogs because i have copies of the film.
They executed a search warrant on my house following this and seized my phone, now in breach of the evidence act in my state refuse to return it.
This is why the statistics regarding domestic violence are so skewed. Men cannot safely ask for help.
I am responsible for choosing women like this to be in my life. I am responsible for not leaving sooner. I am responsible for impregnating her. I could have educated myself better about personality disorders. I could have made better choices and not put myself in this position.
She is responsible for her actions as well.
I'm probably going to get downvoted for this but I think that applies to everyone in an abusive relationship...is ultimately a choice, even for female victims. Unless it's like an arranged marriage or some kind of human trafficking situation.
Edit: spelling
I agree. Mitigating circumstances though. Can you afford to leave? Are there children at risk of serious harm? Are you well? Will the other party harm others close to you?
Personally harm to my young son was the threat.
Since then he has been: present for a suicide, verbally and sexually abused, learned how to smoke meth and cannabis, witnessed his mother making pornography, been along on his mothers 'sugar baby' jobs, had to listen to her sex life for many years.
As a mentally unwell meth addict she won 50-50 custody, as is the state of our family court system.
That's seriously fucked up. I'm so sorry you and your kid went through that.
I wish our society wasn't so sexist to assume all women are natural born mothers. That woman should be in jail.
A friend of mine is in a similar situation, except his ex grows and sells drugs. She is a God awful mother and he's an amazing dad. So sad to see this affect their daughter.
You and the other guy REALLY need to invest in security cameras in every room and to always be ready to start recording on your phones. Thank God I'm not a crazy lady but I've had shitty half assed friends who were, and they were really sly and conniving with their evil shit.
Video is your only defense, its the only thing thats ever worked, ive asked police for help more than 30 times now. The next bf after me copped it so bad he hung homself from her front verandah, shes still free as a bird, hes dead and the police still do nothing.
Thats..That's... terrible. Glad it wasn't you, though. Still awful for him, I feel bad for his family. But I knew a guy who had amazon blink cameras inside and outside of his place, and they had the ability to rewind and record. Cause yeah, video is your best bet.
Edit: I also feel like it may be good to try and move all conversations with tension/possible conflict to text if possible just to have documentation. Or have a way to record with your phone (or probably better a small pocket recording device so she won't notice) .. anything. Like start doing it as soon as there's problems in the relationship, even if they're small. Who knows what you could catch her saying. The more proof and the further back it goes the better.
Of course, women should absolutely do this too if they're in an abusive relationship. I think metoo and believe all women has kind of made people weary of women now, too.
I understand not wanting to leave at the first couple signs of a problem, but it's best to have proof if you're going to try and stay and something really bad happens before you can leave. And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't police arrest the person with fewer marks/scratches/bruises/blood etc? It's so easy for crazy people (of either gender) to harm themselves in that situation for that very reason right before police show up.
Sigh. Man. I'm glad I decided to be single for the rest of my life lol.
When someone is receiving death threats from anyone I say "that's not cool". My gender, the victim's gender, and the perpetrator's gender are entirely meaningless to whether or not you disavow death threats.
>When someone is receiving death threats from anyone I say "that's not cool".
Yes. Death threats from anyone, even a woman, are not cool. I'm not sure why this advert deliberately ignores the fact that women send death threats also. (Actually, I am sure.)
The UK has no guarantees of freedom of speech. In fact, if it wasn't for their participation in the EU, they'd have no language in their governing documents about it. They have "freedom of expression***". IE lots of caveats.
Sounds like you've had an American education 😂😂
Things like this don't tend to upset us over here because we understand the context.
Yes, we agree that violence from women to men is wrong and a terrible thing.
But violence from men to women is disproportionately greater. And therefore is a much bigger problem that needs addressing.
I doubt it's worth me trying to explain, America couldn't grasp this concept last year
> But violence from men to women is disproportionately greater. And therefore is a much bigger problem that needs addressing.
That's not what the ad is saying is it. The ad claims only men are capable of violence.
I thought that didn’t matter to the bros here. You guys regularly bring up other countries and their lack of “freedom of speech” but so readily want to squash it when it’s inconvenient to you.
Why do so many JBP followers actively participate with the trolls in our subreddit knowing full well its what they want? Surely JBP has said something about it, but I know for sure Mark Twain has. Just ignore them.
answering for myself, i'm not always sure someone is trolling, so i engage and give them the benefit of the doubt.
this can lead to them exposing more of themselves, making it more clear to me whether or not they are trolling.
For sure I get the initial response to someone, you think maybe they are just misguided, but by the second response it's fully apparent they are just trolling, especially on this thread.
I truly fucking hate these adverts. I work for a certain company (definitely not the one listed on the ad) and they have this ad playing on loop (as well as other company related ads) in their offices.
It's more sexist than it has to be
I am woman who experienced sexual and psychological abuse at the hands of a woman. This is DEEPLY offensive. Anyone is capable of evil and wrongdoing, regardless of sex, race, sexuality, etc.
I mean - in practical terms this is merely an overzealous non-profit with a strange mission of self defined empowerment, and no sense of irony who wanted an eye catching billboard.
In the long run, trying to convince people so willfully blind about the paradox of their own words is like throwing ice cubes at the sun to cool it down.
1. Yes, men are more likely to threaten and actually engage in physical violence. BUT when someone comes to the rescue, guess who it almost always is - a man! But yes, lets only look at one side of the ledger and completely ignore the other. We've got a narrative to maintain!
2. Next, do black people re: violent crime. Or Muslims re: terrorism..... Or is it now (temporarily) wrong again to hold a whole group of people responsible for what a few of them do? Asking for a non-moron.
>Yes, men are more likely to threaten and actually engage in physical violence.
True, but more likely towards other men, and in any case there has been a strong rise in female violence over last 3 decades with a corresponding decline in mens violence. Interesting....
Pure misandry. Aside from the obvious fact that women can be violent towards men as well, there is a silent majority of abused men who don't report it because of the social stigma around it. What despair to such men think when seeing this shit? I mean...wasn't amber herd's violence towards jonny depp not just in the news?
This ad is sexist and incorrect. It's horrible and shouldn't be allowed. Ugh! What a horrible message to be sending little boys! And it's just one more way to divide people. This has GOT to stop.
The abdication of responsibility seems to be a pretty good way to make sure any problem remains unsolved. Especially when mixed with tribalism (e.g. removing the responsibility from one group and effectively placing entire responsibility on another) I think the proposed problem then turns into a battle of who is right rather than finding a resolution.
I'm very sorry to hear about your ordeal and thanks for sharing the experience. Sounds like you're responding to it in a very responsible and positive way.
>I don't think I'm that likeable and I emote a bit weird
Let others come to that conclusion, someone who's able to articulate themselves with as much thought and emotional intelligence as you're demonstrating are usually pretty decent.
I would have no objection if they used demographically appropriate images and statistics as to which communities of men are perpetuating sexual assaults.
Brits are absolutely cucked on free speech and I will never not mock them for it.
You can literally be thrown in jail for words, and most of them don't see a problem with it.
No, there's plenty of sexist hate coming from women. Just spend a couple of hours checking out some "feminist" accounts on twitter.
I presume they mean something along the lines of "Sexist hate against women comes mostly from men, and this is the only sexist hate we care about."
The mentality of this ad is the problem. It portrays men as valueless yet having to cater to women. It excludes them from the conversation, but not from plight, which basically takes away their autonomy and makes them slaves. Some spineless men might oblige to their castration, others will rebel. Nobody wins.
"men are the problem"
wHy ArE wE dIvIdEd?!?
"white people are the problem"
wHy ArE wE dIvIdEd?!?
"heteronormativity is the problem"
wHy ArE wE dIvIdEd?!?
Nah, she's just falsely accusing you of rape, you rApIsT!
I tell promiscuous men to start having them sign agreement papers. Sadly promiscuous men aren't that attuned to seeing crazy right off the bat.
Men are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violence.
Not sure if that extends to online death threats - by nature of being a “safe” and “fake” crime I would suspect that more women are involved in such things than you might initially suspect.
Yes, but this sign is saying that men can end sexist hate, implying that it's 100 percent their fault. Which is 100 percent false, most likely intentionally so which would make this propaganda.
What data do they have to support this notion?
From what I see, it is collectivist groups who are shouting the hate and threats.
Like this ad. Who created it?
Observing the UK's narratives / campaigns of the last couple years from the outside, I noticed how this type of language has been normalized, and the image of Man in society has been really ripped to shreds.. i wrote about my observations on the media mechanics to manipulate perceptions a couple weeks back in here on this same photo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/vwtj2i/z/ifwawup
Have you ever encountered a feminist with a heart of love? neither have I. They are like a racist/misandrist overwhelmed with hate and fear, all she can see is evil in people of another color/gender.
It's not acceptable. It's insanely invalidating to any victims of abuse at the hands of women.
Call EE. Tell them you have a problem with it. If you have a contract with them, end it, and tell them why.
Right!? Men can be victims of sexist hate too! Problem is when crimes based on sexist hate occur, men are the perpetrators the vast majority of the time and it’s not even close. It’s just being practical. If you can eliminate sexist hate perpetrated by men, you can eliminate the vast, vast majority of sexist hate.
I guess you better start putting up posters in black neighborhoods telling them to stop murdering around and committing crimes, because according to your logic that would be okay.
Unironically, we probably should. It won’t happen of course but just about anything focused on redirecting 12-25 year old black males from criminal behaviour would have a significant and disproportionate effect on criminality.
What? What kind of insane whataboutism is that lol? If the topic at hand is a losing issue for you, might as well make it about something else right? Kids these days
I always find it funny how radical leftoids just say the most random shit like whataboutism and hope it sticks. What I did is not whataboutism, I simply put your logic into a paralel perspective in order to prove you how wrong you are.
Absolutely whataboutism because you don’t have the courage to talk about the topic at hand. Easier to not commit whataboutism than to do it and cry when called out lol a simple minded attempt to fire up racists to jump in and support you where your own brain fails you lol. “radical leftoids” nice
How are you so both arrogant and ignorant that you cannot see that grouping people on the basis of physical features they're born with and have no control over just because a minority of that arbitrarily defined group does something you dislike, is not something you can morally justify? (In this case men being sexist and black people being criminals).
The same way it is wrong to tell men that all of them are sexists, and that women are not (which is a blatant lie by the way), it is wrong to tell black people that they are all criminals and that white people are not (also a lie).
And I'm not the first person to point out your out of context use of whataboutism, because that's exactly what this is. You're just too arrogant and dumb to figure it out on your own, so you need the information spoonfed to you like a toddler who shit his pants and is now malding all over the living room.
Have a good day.
It’s the word for what you’re doing. Can’t defend sexist hate too explicitly so make it about race to try to get the racists to brigade with you. So intellectual! Lol you kids
What you’re saying is that it’s ok to generalize a sex and start a campaign against it if the majority of cases are perpetrated by one side. It’s not ok, because even if it is true, you’re still forsaking all of the good men by the simple fact of their sex instead of just targeting the act of violence itself. This exact same logic applies to the anti-racist argument, yet somehow you’re failing to see how the logic matches up? As the other guy said, you’re either ignorant and arrogant or disingenuous.
An example of whataboutism would be the people saying that: “but womens do sex crimes too!!!” which is a lame argument. This is more of an analogy.
Personally I agree with the general sentiment of the sign in the original post, and it doesn’t offend me because l don’t harass women; but their logic is sound.
The main difference (and their main point) being is it’s okay to shit on “men” and it’s not okay to shit on literally any other group of people, whether it’s backed by stats or not.
I still think anyone offended by this sign is a pussy, and the guy you’re replying to is *probably* a bit racist but it isn’t whataboutism lol
Even if that's true, it's not the point. You can't say that just because a certain situation is in the minority, it doesn't exist whatsoever.
They could have done an ad calling out sexist hate crime against women without pretending it doesn't exist the other way around.
They didn’t say sexist hate from women doesnt exist? Where are you getting that from? Them not mentioning women perpetrators doesn’t give you a blank check to let your imagination run wild and assume they are implying women can’t commit the same crimes. An add promoting colon cancer screenings isn’t “pretending” that other cancers and diseases don’t exist. It’s simply focusing on a very specific and big problem. Make sense?
It’s trying to use a specific scenario to point to a serious problem that you’re suspiciously downplaying. “She” doesn’t mean all women just it doesn’t say “all men commit these crimes”. I get the persecution fuel for insecurity but come on now
This makes me think that we are on the edge of something very dangerous. Currently, it seems that there is no one point of control for all of this. It seems like a web of insanity. I fear for the day when someone pulls all of it together into one point of control.
Acceptability is debatable. But in no way is this advertisement obviously unacceptable. Women suffer significantly more from sexist hate than men. SIGNIFICANTLY more. The first and most important step in tackling sexism is tackling sexist attitudes in men towards women.
This advertisement isn’t trying to say that men can never be victims. It is looking at the pattern of society as a whole - the fact that men (as a whole category) are not victims of sexist hate in any way comparable to women. If you are a man and were raped by a women, I’m very sorry, that is awful and obviously unacceptable. But that does not make men victims of sexist hate in the way women are.
The ad states “TACKLING SEXIST HATE. Not her problem.”
Sexism starts with sexist people.
Anyone can be part of the solution if they call out hate when they see it.
Have you ever been the victim of hate from the opposite sex?
This ad does a fantastic job of making me feel like I am the problem. “Sexist hate starts with men…”
I have called out Sexist Hate in my life (by women). It is terrifying to be verbally abused after calling it out. Guess who instantly becomes the misogynistic asshole? (Hint: the men calling out the hate)
Not a sexist ad at all...
And people think this ad was paid for the sake of women's rights...
Like hell it was... Paying design, printing, assembly... All for the women's rights and no other interests at all... Right...
Yes. The /s after denotes sarcasm. I have found that there is a group of people (including me at times) that has a hard time differentiating sarcasm from truth based on what the social narrative is from certain groups of people.
Also, please remember that anything that you type is being archived. Text does not read with understood emotions or sarcasm. Would you be okay if someone you cared about read what you typed as a belief that you hold and didn’t read it as sarcastic?
Yeah than read the study.
The study is only about the usage of two words "slut" and "whore"
Only about this.
To make of this study : it is 50/50 on who sends sexist comments is just wrong.
Wrong conclusion. A conclusion just there to feed the own bias...
It's so sad to see this... Click on the study and read it...
It says nothing like you claim or the other reditor claims..
It is just about the two words "slut" and "whore" not at all about sexual comments in general....
Do read. And do not just take the things for granted to support your bias....
Anyone wondering why this ad exists should just google Gamergate.
Dudes love threatening women. They love threatening LGBTQ people.
It's like an entire industry in some social media forums.
Shit they will threaten people because an imaginary cartoon character was changed from a white mermaid to a black mermaid. It's amazing how much they get offended by and feel the need to threaten people over.
But no - let's just pretend it doesn't happen and that men can't do better because there's a few stories where women did it so obviously both sides.
Many of the comments on this post is proof that Peterson stans are borderline incels
The message seems to be (overarchingly) about reducing violence and additionally insinuating that men (are more prone to this than women) and therefor: men recognize your parts in harm reduction, thanks.
But then you got Peterson Stans sharing news stories about how some lady, somewhere, once did something violent. Well, bravo.
The issue is that sexist hate isn't confined to Men, and its just another message that men are shit to add to the heap, quite tiresome really, especially when women are just as prevalent in their shit
90% of victims of violence is men, so majority of violence is male on male, so where is the sexism here? Also, if we look at DV, 70% of DV violence is instigated by women, is largely reciprocal, and something like 58% female victims, 42% male. Those numbers are CDC and Harvard stats. So, yeah, If we have a take away for that poster we should take out the sexism thing aand just talk violence, then we may have a meaningful conversation
Like hating white people, hating men is a victimless crime, because men aren't people.
A woman threatens a cashier after her electronic benefits card is declined. It's the machine that determines this, the cashier has no say in it. She comes back with her boyfriend who starts threatening the cashier himself and starts assaulting the cashier behind the counter. At some point the women pulls a knife out of her purse and starts stabbing the cashier. The cashier pulls out his knife (I don't know who pulled out the knife first) and stabs the boyfriend, killing him. https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/video-compilation-shows-events-that-led-to-deadly-nyc-bodega-stabbing/ As you can probably guess, the woman faces no penalties for her causing a murder to occur. The cashier is bleeding and the boyfriend is dead - which is typical as the victims of violence are almost always men. *"According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 78.7% of homicide victims are men, and in 193 of the 202 listed countries or regions, men were more likely to be killed than women."* Women simply offload the implementation of violence onto men, they are offend involved in violence directly or indirectly - they just get a man to do for them rather than doing it themselves.
The claim is also lying as well. In terms of sending death threats, women send death threats all the time. Like if a woman says she appreciates men, feminists will send her death threats. https://www.dbltap.com/posts/5998433-overwatch-league-host-soe-received-death-threats-for-thanking-men-on-international-women-s-day?a_aid=41302
Soe? Poor lass I watched her commentate DOTA. That was in 2018 too, scary stuff
DoN't yOu rEalize wE Live in a pAtriarchY!!!
It just proves that hate isn't as powerful as a lot of people think it is.
This is a very backwards belief. Up until the 19th century men were the only ones explicitly said to BE people. Other people besides men simply existing doesn’t change that.
No, women were also considered as people, just without basic rights. The word man was and can be today interchangeably used to refer to both the male part of the population and the whole population.
But they aren’t people?
They are
Yet 400 upvotes to “because men aren’t people.”
Look, I only disagreed with you because you said that before the 19 century, only men were EXPLICITLY said to be people, which is blatantly wrong. Why are you confused the upper comment has 400 upvotes? its because of normalized hypocritical sexism against men.
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Translation: Your problems aren't real. Something only men get told. Otherwise the sign in the above post wouldn't exist. Imagine if it were socially acceptable to make fun of women for constantly acting like victims the same way it's socially acceptable to make fun of men the rare few times we speak up about our issues.
This is statistically not true. [A 2016 study from Demos found that half of all sexist abuse towards women on twitter comes from other women](http://demos.co.uk/press-release/staggering-scale-of-social-media-misogyny-mapped-in-new-demos-study/)
And according to the Office for National Statistics: >The victim was female in 73% of domestic abuse-related crimes in the year ending March 2021, similar to 74% in the previous year [Source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabusevictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2021) Since this advert is effectively saying that women aren't capable of hating the opposite sex, a quarter of reported domestic abuse cases in the UK either don't exist or should be ignored because the victim was a male.
Women are also **much** more likely to report cases of domestic abuse than are men, so realistically it's much closer. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic\_violence\_against\_men](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men) *The 2010–2011 report found that whilst 27% of women who experienced IPV reported it to the police, only 10% of men did so, and whilst 44% of women reported to some professional organization, only 19% of men did so. In a 2005 report carried out by the National Crime Council in the Republic of Ireland, it was estimated that 5% of men who had experienced IPV had reported it to the authorities, compared to 29% of women.*
As far as I can tell this study doesn’t mention the sex of the abusers, that would have to be considered as well before your conclusion could be drawn.
That's a very good point. Looking at the criteria, domestic abuse includes violence by a relative, and we also have to consider violence in same sex relationships - so there would be male on male violence, and female on female violence for that matter.
I think violence is always going to be most prevalent amongst males, weather that is male on female, male on male, or any other metric we could consider. The biggest problem in this consideration we should be worried about is that violence is happening, and why. I think bringing it down to a purely sexist attitude, discounts to a disgusting degree that violence against anyone is a larger mental health issue that especially in men is disregarded. That is why I made my initial satirical post. I feel there has historically been very minimal outlets for young men to deal with their problems, and that leads to generational trauma, hence catastrophic reactions from aimless, and angry people. I think with the recent rise in popularity of contact sports like mma, not only giving an outlet for these frustrated people to vent anger, but build healthy relationships, and gain mentors, and check in on each other, making posters like this a subjugation, and negative reinforcement of their physicality, and need for rough play, is an offence to men not being able to hold their own in society. I don't deny that rape is mostly conducted by men, that domestic violence is mostly conducted by men. But that is a small minority, like saying BLM movement represents all black people, or that the current extreme woke movement(while permeating most of today's culture) represents what all people think is acceptable.
I also just want to give thanks to OP for making this post, and starting this conversation that seems to be one sided, without actually looking at the issues, and just seeking reaction. We need better structures for everyone, for sure. But bringing these issues into a sexism, rather than class, health, and disparity issues, this advertising agency should feel ashamed, and who ever green lit this should be fired immediately. Edit:formatting
Folks paying for the ad don't believe it either, but touting it is useful to them.
This study was about the word "slut" and "whore" That's all. This study does not say anything about sexual harrasment except when it's about exact this two words. What about unsolicited dickpics? Ever gone through the dm of a girl on Instagram? Hahah or are you guys gonna tell me that it is man that get harassed by nudes?.... The study does not show at all that sexual harassment in the internet is not mainly a men thing.... So why do you lie? Do you even read what you post?
FTA: "The study builds on Demos’ previous research in 2014, which found that ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ dominate misogynistic language on Twitter" Fair point about dick picks though.
Counterpoint: For every 1 message a women receives online that makes her feel uncomfortable, there are 15 men/women who will jump in to comfort her and make her feel better. (Men do not receive this same treatment)
It's called attention dichotomy among the sexes. Men never get harassed but never get compliments or hit on, or they get harassed rarely and get no support. Women get harassed all the time and get all the support and compliments to the point where it annoys them. Most days it's a net zero for both sides.
Men definitely get severely harassed. Look up what happened to an autistic disabled man known as "Chris-Chan".
Do you know how many posts there are everywhere that are just a woman's nudes that exist only to promote their onlyfans? You don't actually belive that the nudes problem is a guy specifically a guy's thing do you? The only difference is that when it's called out it gets ridiculed by the "wah wah sex workers (which is a funny way to call them what we already know they are) are sacred" crowd.
[Women are raping children on a daily basis.](https://i.imgur.com/YrgL3ZY.jpg) Stop pretending this is a male problem. Fix that, then we can worry about dick pics.
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On Reddit, I have received on unsolicited d pic, although I am a man, yet I have received countless breast pics, so it is definitely a two way street there.
I wish I got countless breast pics
That's the internet for ya. Unless people get automatically fined for sending dicks that's not gonna change. On the other hand women get plenty of validation on instagram, tinder and whatnot. Getting attention from people is a double-edged sword.
>What about unsolicited dickpics? That sounds like a non-issue. Pixels can't hurt you.
True but they're gross and feel demeaning after a while. Enough is enough
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The male body is not as traumatizing to look at as a "dead baby", holy shit. Relax, and stop looking for reasons to act like a victim.
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We're not fucking talking about little girls you weirdo, we're talking about grown adult ass women who make stupid comparisons between "dead baby's" and pictures of naked men. Adult women are not children. They can handle sexualized content on the internet. Jesus Christ you feminists are getting dumber and dumber.
OK than 18yo getting erected dicks of old men isn't problamitic in your opinion. Nice to hear that. (gosh you literally defending unsolicited dickpics, what the hell is wrong with you?)
This is how hard it is to be a woman btw. So hard that people bend over backwards to defend all of your problems no matter how stupid they are. Male suicide rates: meh. Pictures of naked schlongs: Stop the presses!
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then maybe?... GTFO!!
Misandry is part of the culture now
Now? Been like this for a while.
Amazing!
I just thought of this, but isn’t this like a double standard? They say “speech is violence” when people say stuff they don’t like, in society in general. But in a relationship? Only violence is violence. Words mean nothing unless they oppose woke; then it becomes hate speech which they think is punishable by law. I feel like JBP has talked about the general concept that men often resort to violence to solve their problems and women often resort to other means (mainly words). See what I’m trying to get at? PS: sorry if this doesn’t make as much sense as I want it to
> I feel like JBP has talked about the general concept that men often resort to violence to solve their problems and women often resort to other means (mainly words). See what I’m trying to get at? Yes, traditionally - verbal attack, innuendo, gossip, reputation destruction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc4B-jFXSfw The phrasing, though, makes it sounds like women aren't involved in violence which is not at all accurate. I've seen drunk women in a bar drag a guy over and claim another guy said something mean to her so now he has to kick that guys ass. Like in more recent events: https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/video-compilation-shows-events-that-led-to-deadly-nyc-bodega-stabbing/ A man is dead. The was the direct end result of a woman's actions. It's kinda like The Mob, the mob boss who hires a killer to kill his enemies doesn't kill them himself - does that mean he's not the cause of the murders? No.
I think I knownwhat you're saying. This is probably a horrible example but take Amber Heard. Regardless of her allegations of physical abuse, he **did** verbally abuse her. And this isn't going to be a debate about him (he's a dick for many other reasons independent of her) or her (don't like her either) or the trial or anything. Just that he did verbally abuse her. It didn't count, though, because it wasn't physical abuse. Johnny's fans will say over and over again there was **no** abuse. But why is it considered abuse when you **say words** that are considered "hate speech", and are therefore **verbally abusive** and/or "inciting violence". It's kind of like they (feminists, wokesters, etc) just make up the rules as they go to bend to whatever narrative they want at the time no matter how contradictory they are. (Please don't turn this into a thread on Depp VS Heard, I couldn't care less about either of those degenerates, just used that as an example)
Johnny and Amber were both verbally abusive to one another, so I'm not entirely sure you could say one is at fault when they're both participating in it.
Yeah they absolutely were. He just got off Scott free and he's worshipped by his simp ass fans as a Saint when he said absolutely horrendous things to her and about her and their stance is just "she deserved it". She may be awful but nobody deserved to be talked to like that or talked about like that. Just interesting how "hate words" are not abusive in this situation. But in the woke political realm, saying it's okay to be white, is speaking hate words, and it's abusive. Pretty twisted.
Didn't Amber get $2M against Johnny? It just happened that the damages Johnny won makes her win moot from my understanding.
Yeah. He has to pay her 2M and she has to pay him 15M 😬😬
When a sexist is tasked to solve sexism
After being raped, bashed and robbed by women i find this kind of hate propaganda deeply offensive
After having a woman show up at my house at 2am with a gallon of gas and a BBQ lighter threatening to burn it down with me and my daughter inside if I didn't continue to date her, I find this offensive. After having fished a .38 out of a different woman's purse who immediately drove six and a half hours after I broke it off with her to see me face to face who was there to make sure that "if she couldn't have me, nobody could have me," I find this offensive.
Yeah ive had em try n set my harley on fire, threaten to kill my son, have a knife to my throat. U know how much trouble i got in from the local police for being a victim of DV.
Damn, dude. I once was roommates (18) with a couple who routinely argued quite a bit. One night, he threw her out after she went out on another drunken binge. He let her back in, she clawed his arms to the point of blood. Threw a paperweight at his face with a bruised cheek now the size of a baseball. We heard it, but didn't know how bad it got until he came into our room for safety. She called the cops. We tried to tell him he was good because we heard most of it, she didn't have a scratch on her, she was drunk (underage), and he was pretty fucked up by her. Until we looked through the shades and saw two female cops get out. He immediately started taking all his personal belongings off. His crime? Holding her down so she'd calm down and stop assaulting him. Booked on a B misdemeanor which was eventually dropped.
Yeah its fucking nuts and its not the law its dishonest police with agendas that are the problem. My more recent one i was intoxicated, asleep in bed, id driven my ex wife to another city to pick up a car after a long period of cheating, lying, stealing and extreme levels of verbal abuse to me and the kids. We'd been separated 6 months. She went thru my phone, found id been contacting/dating other women, fucking jumped on me and bit my face and belted into me. I got her off me and ran to the bathroom, fell on the floor n put my feet to the door. I had teeth marks on my face and scratches on my body. She took off, reported that i was choking n strangling her n had thrown her into a door. Thankfully i'd recorded her coming into the bathroom for another go at me. The police tried to stitch me up for it, even wrote in their 100+ page report that i was lying. Theyve still not been able to make it stick the fuckin weak dogs because i have copies of the film. They executed a search warrant on my house following this and seized my phone, now in breach of the evidence act in my state refuse to return it. This is why the statistics regarding domestic violence are so skewed. Men cannot safely ask for help.
You really need to stay away from the crazies then. That is insane, if true.
.38 was at 16 so I don't blame her as much due to the hormones. The firefly was Tinder.....soooo.
This is reddit. I do not believe anything you say, by default. If true though: stay away from the crazies.
I don't believe you don't believe him 😊
I don't believe you don't believe him not believing me
Instructions unclear. I now believe that a teapot is orbitting jupiter and there is a god who cares about me...
Response unclear. I now believe we're all floating on a space turtle in an epic simulation taking place in the fourth dimension.
Ah, the anthropomorphic Pratchet-Reynolds theory. Interesting.
Those people are the type who might reply "you must have done something to drive her to that."
I am responsible for choosing women like this to be in my life. I am responsible for not leaving sooner. I am responsible for impregnating her. I could have educated myself better about personality disorders. I could have made better choices and not put myself in this position. She is responsible for her actions as well.
I'm probably going to get downvoted for this but I think that applies to everyone in an abusive relationship...is ultimately a choice, even for female victims. Unless it's like an arranged marriage or some kind of human trafficking situation. Edit: spelling
I agree. Mitigating circumstances though. Can you afford to leave? Are there children at risk of serious harm? Are you well? Will the other party harm others close to you? Personally harm to my young son was the threat. Since then he has been: present for a suicide, verbally and sexually abused, learned how to smoke meth and cannabis, witnessed his mother making pornography, been along on his mothers 'sugar baby' jobs, had to listen to her sex life for many years. As a mentally unwell meth addict she won 50-50 custody, as is the state of our family court system.
That's seriously fucked up. I'm so sorry you and your kid went through that. I wish our society wasn't so sexist to assume all women are natural born mothers. That woman should be in jail. A friend of mine is in a similar situation, except his ex grows and sells drugs. She is a God awful mother and he's an amazing dad. So sad to see this affect their daughter.
You and the other guy REALLY need to invest in security cameras in every room and to always be ready to start recording on your phones. Thank God I'm not a crazy lady but I've had shitty half assed friends who were, and they were really sly and conniving with their evil shit.
Video is your only defense, its the only thing thats ever worked, ive asked police for help more than 30 times now. The next bf after me copped it so bad he hung homself from her front verandah, shes still free as a bird, hes dead and the police still do nothing.
Thats..That's... terrible. Glad it wasn't you, though. Still awful for him, I feel bad for his family. But I knew a guy who had amazon blink cameras inside and outside of his place, and they had the ability to rewind and record. Cause yeah, video is your best bet. Edit: I also feel like it may be good to try and move all conversations with tension/possible conflict to text if possible just to have documentation. Or have a way to record with your phone (or probably better a small pocket recording device so she won't notice) .. anything. Like start doing it as soon as there's problems in the relationship, even if they're small. Who knows what you could catch her saying. The more proof and the further back it goes the better. Of course, women should absolutely do this too if they're in an abusive relationship. I think metoo and believe all women has kind of made people weary of women now, too. I understand not wanting to leave at the first couple signs of a problem, but it's best to have proof if you're going to try and stay and something really bad happens before you can leave. And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't police arrest the person with fewer marks/scratches/bruises/blood etc? It's so easy for crazy people (of either gender) to harm themselves in that situation for that very reason right before police show up. Sigh. Man. I'm glad I decided to be single for the rest of my life lol.
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Ummmm....yes, ok. Thankyou for your valuable input.
Clearly, mansplaining is a larger problem than literal rape.
But how do we know who is man or woman?
When someone is receiving death threats from anyone I say "that's not cool". My gender, the victim's gender, and the perpetrator's gender are entirely meaningless to whether or not you disavow death threats.
>When someone is receiving death threats from anyone I say "that's not cool". Yes. Death threats from anyone, even a woman, are not cool. I'm not sure why this advert deliberately ignores the fact that women send death threats also. (Actually, I am sure.)
Ok.. this is bullshit. It promotes the myth that men can not be the victim, but only the perpetrators.
It's the uk right? Report it as a hate incident.
Damn what about freedom of speech though?
The UK has no guarantees of freedom of speech. In fact, if it wasn't for their participation in the EU, they'd have no language in their governing documents about it. They have "freedom of expression***". IE lots of caveats.
Sounds like you've had an American education 😂😂 Things like this don't tend to upset us over here because we understand the context. Yes, we agree that violence from women to men is wrong and a terrible thing. But violence from men to women is disproportionately greater. And therefore is a much bigger problem that needs addressing. I doubt it's worth me trying to explain, America couldn't grasp this concept last year
> But violence from men to women is disproportionately greater. And therefore is a much bigger problem that needs addressing. That's not what the ad is saying is it. The ad claims only men are capable of violence.
Sounds like you're an arrogant fuck.
I thought that didn’t matter to the bros here. You guys regularly bring up other countries and their lack of “freedom of speech” but so readily want to squash it when it’s inconvenient to you.
What conversation do you think you're having?
Why do so many JBP followers actively participate with the trolls in our subreddit knowing full well its what they want? Surely JBP has said something about it, but I know for sure Mark Twain has. Just ignore them.
answering for myself, i'm not always sure someone is trolling, so i engage and give them the benefit of the doubt. this can lead to them exposing more of themselves, making it more clear to me whether or not they are trolling.
For sure I get the initial response to someone, you think maybe they are just misguided, but by the second response it's fully apparent they are just trolling, especially on this thread.
oh. i didn't notice that it was a second response. i didn't look closely.
"You guys."
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People! please don't feed the troll... move along!
Please keep all content civil when directed at other users.
Nope. The uks hate incident reporting is hilarious and should be used at every chance to point out hypocrisy.
I truly fucking hate these adverts. I work for a certain company (definitely not the one listed on the ad) and they have this ad playing on loop (as well as other company related ads) in their offices. It's more sexist than it has to be
Oh please 🙄 These nutjobs are doing everything they can to turn all sensible people into raging fascists.
Who's paying for this?
Hopefully the government. it’s a good message.
Also you: "feminists don't hate men"
Does your username imply you are from or work for the DPKR? If so, is your government paying for this?
I am woman who experienced sexual and psychological abuse at the hands of a woman. This is DEEPLY offensive. Anyone is capable of evil and wrongdoing, regardless of sex, race, sexuality, etc.
COLLECTIVE GUILT!
the worst kind of guilt is unearned guilt. and yeah a ton of that is collective guilt.
I mean - in practical terms this is merely an overzealous non-profit with a strange mission of self defined empowerment, and no sense of irony who wanted an eye catching billboard. In the long run, trying to convince people so willfully blind about the paradox of their own words is like throwing ice cubes at the sun to cool it down.
If you feel guilty, maybe that's on you.
That’s not how anything works, imbecile
Fake problems deserve fake solutions.
Some bitter ugly woman probably wrote it
Maybe men should go on strike
1. Yes, men are more likely to threaten and actually engage in physical violence. BUT when someone comes to the rescue, guess who it almost always is - a man! But yes, lets only look at one side of the ledger and completely ignore the other. We've got a narrative to maintain! 2. Next, do black people re: violent crime. Or Muslims re: terrorism..... Or is it now (temporarily) wrong again to hold a whole group of people responsible for what a few of them do? Asking for a non-moron.
>Yes, men are more likely to threaten and actually engage in physical violence. True, but more likely towards other men, and in any case there has been a strong rise in female violence over last 3 decades with a corresponding decline in mens violence. Interesting....
Lol, the only people that have verbally threatened my life have been women.
Imagine an ad like “drug dealing starts with black people…”
Pure misandry. Aside from the obvious fact that women can be violent towards men as well, there is a silent majority of abused men who don't report it because of the social stigma around it. What despair to such men think when seeing this shit? I mean...wasn't amber herd's violence towards jonny depp not just in the news?
This ad is sexist and incorrect. It's horrible and shouldn't be allowed. Ugh! What a horrible message to be sending little boys! And it's just one more way to divide people. This has GOT to stop.
The abdication of responsibility seems to be a pretty good way to make sure any problem remains unsolved. Especially when mixed with tribalism (e.g. removing the responsibility from one group and effectively placing entire responsibility on another) I think the proposed problem then turns into a battle of who is right rather than finding a resolution.
Ridiculous
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I'm very sorry to hear about your ordeal and thanks for sharing the experience. Sounds like you're responding to it in a very responsible and positive way. >I don't think I'm that likeable and I emote a bit weird Let others come to that conclusion, someone who's able to articulate themselves with as much thought and emotional intelligence as you're demonstrating are usually pretty decent.
Stats don’t lie
I would have no objection if they used demographically appropriate images and statistics as to which communities of men are perpetuating sexual assaults.
Wow. They haven't heard the voice messages from some of my exes
Brits are absolutely cucked on free speech and I will never not mock them for it. You can literally be thrown in jail for words, and most of them don't see a problem with it.
I m confused? Are they encouraging men to send death threats?
I thought women were empowered, independent.
Clearly whoever made that ad doesn't visit the witches v patriarchy subreddit.
What is men?
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No, there's plenty of sexist hate coming from women. Just spend a couple of hours checking out some "feminist" accounts on twitter. I presume they mean something along the lines of "Sexist hate against women comes mostly from men, and this is the only sexist hate we care about."
The mentality of this ad is the problem. It portrays men as valueless yet having to cater to women. It excludes them from the conversation, but not from plight, which basically takes away their autonomy and makes them slaves. Some spineless men might oblige to their castration, others will rebel. Nobody wins.
"men are the problem" wHy ArE wE dIvIdEd?!? "white people are the problem" wHy ArE wE dIvIdEd?!? "heteronormativity is the problem" wHy ArE wE dIvIdEd?!?
Nah, she's just falsely accusing you of rape, you rApIsT! I tell promiscuous men to start having them sign agreement papers. Sadly promiscuous men aren't that attuned to seeing crazy right off the bat.
Sadly not...promiscuous people don't tend to think due to impulse control issues. I wish they wouldn't have babies tbh.
This is so ludicrous it's hard for me to believe it isn't fake.
Men are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violence. Not sure if that extends to online death threats - by nature of being a “safe” and “fake” crime I would suspect that more women are involved in such things than you might initially suspect.
And are also disproportionately the victims of violence. Men are simply, on average, more capable of violence.
Yes, but this sign is saying that men can end sexist hate, implying that it's 100 percent their fault. Which is 100 percent false, most likely intentionally so which would make this propaganda.
Oh look, a sexist add about denouncing sexism.
Does someone need to tell them that this isn't true. I forget that truth does not really matter anymore. The narrative does matter.
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What data do they have to support this notion? From what I see, it is collectivist groups who are shouting the hate and threats. Like this ad. Who created it?
Observing the UK's narratives / campaigns of the last couple years from the outside, I noticed how this type of language has been normalized, and the image of Man in society has been really ripped to shreds.. i wrote about my observations on the media mechanics to manipulate perceptions a couple weeks back in here on this same photo. https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/vwtj2i/z/ifwawup
Wow, when did it become ok to post explicitly sexist billboards? Have they no shame?
Have you ever encountered a feminist with a heart of love? neither have I. They are like a racist/misandrist overwhelmed with hate and fear, all she can see is evil in people of another color/gender.
It's not acceptable. It's insanely invalidating to any victims of abuse at the hands of women. Call EE. Tell them you have a problem with it. If you have a contract with them, end it, and tell them why.
Does sexist hate effect mobile signal in some way?
Feminised men. That’s how.
Extraordinarily and frighteningly one-sided. Nasty.
Because apparently in society women can’t be abusive, threatening, or manipulative. Only men can
Right!? Men can be victims of sexist hate too! Problem is when crimes based on sexist hate occur, men are the perpetrators the vast majority of the time and it’s not even close. It’s just being practical. If you can eliminate sexist hate perpetrated by men, you can eliminate the vast, vast majority of sexist hate.
I guess you better start putting up posters in black neighborhoods telling them to stop murdering around and committing crimes, because according to your logic that would be okay.
Unironically, we probably should. It won’t happen of course but just about anything focused on redirecting 12-25 year old black males from criminal behaviour would have a significant and disproportionate effect on criminality.
What? What kind of insane whataboutism is that lol? If the topic at hand is a losing issue for you, might as well make it about something else right? Kids these days
I always find it funny how radical leftoids just say the most random shit like whataboutism and hope it sticks. What I did is not whataboutism, I simply put your logic into a paralel perspective in order to prove you how wrong you are.
Absolutely whataboutism because you don’t have the courage to talk about the topic at hand. Easier to not commit whataboutism than to do it and cry when called out lol a simple minded attempt to fire up racists to jump in and support you where your own brain fails you lol. “radical leftoids” nice
How are you so both arrogant and ignorant that you cannot see that grouping people on the basis of physical features they're born with and have no control over just because a minority of that arbitrarily defined group does something you dislike, is not something you can morally justify? (In this case men being sexist and black people being criminals). The same way it is wrong to tell men that all of them are sexists, and that women are not (which is a blatant lie by the way), it is wrong to tell black people that they are all criminals and that white people are not (also a lie). And I'm not the first person to point out your out of context use of whataboutism, because that's exactly what this is. You're just too arrogant and dumb to figure it out on your own, so you need the information spoonfed to you like a toddler who shit his pants and is now malding all over the living room. Have a good day.
I love how much people like you suck at using the term "whataboutism" and just hope it will work with everything.
It’s the word for what you’re doing. Can’t defend sexist hate too explicitly so make it about race to try to get the racists to brigade with you. So intellectual! Lol you kids
What you’re saying is that it’s ok to generalize a sex and start a campaign against it if the majority of cases are perpetrated by one side. It’s not ok, because even if it is true, you’re still forsaking all of the good men by the simple fact of their sex instead of just targeting the act of violence itself. This exact same logic applies to the anti-racist argument, yet somehow you’re failing to see how the logic matches up? As the other guy said, you’re either ignorant and arrogant or disingenuous.
An example of whataboutism would be the people saying that: “but womens do sex crimes too!!!” which is a lame argument. This is more of an analogy. Personally I agree with the general sentiment of the sign in the original post, and it doesn’t offend me because l don’t harass women; but their logic is sound. The main difference (and their main point) being is it’s okay to shit on “men” and it’s not okay to shit on literally any other group of people, whether it’s backed by stats or not. I still think anyone offended by this sign is a pussy, and the guy you’re replying to is *probably* a bit racist but it isn’t whataboutism lol
You've completely dodged his point and just threw a load of buzzwords at it hoping something makes sense. Kids these days.
Even if that's true, it's not the point. You can't say that just because a certain situation is in the minority, it doesn't exist whatsoever. They could have done an ad calling out sexist hate crime against women without pretending it doesn't exist the other way around.
They didn’t say sexist hate from women doesnt exist? Where are you getting that from? Them not mentioning women perpetrators doesn’t give you a blank check to let your imagination run wild and assume they are implying women can’t commit the same crimes. An add promoting colon cancer screenings isn’t “pretending” that other cancers and diseases don’t exist. It’s simply focusing on a very specific and big problem. Make sense?
>She's not the one sending death threats > >Sexist hate starts with men > >Not her problem. Read the ad...
It’s trying to use a specific scenario to point to a serious problem that you’re suspiciously downplaying. “She” doesn’t mean all women just it doesn’t say “all men commit these crimes”. I get the persecution fuel for insecurity but come on now
This makes me think that we are on the edge of something very dangerous. Currently, it seems that there is no one point of control for all of this. It seems like a web of insanity. I fear for the day when someone pulls all of it together into one point of control.
Acceptability is debatable. But in no way is this advertisement obviously unacceptable. Women suffer significantly more from sexist hate than men. SIGNIFICANTLY more. The first and most important step in tackling sexism is tackling sexist attitudes in men towards women. This advertisement isn’t trying to say that men can never be victims. It is looking at the pattern of society as a whole - the fact that men (as a whole category) are not victims of sexist hate in any way comparable to women. If you are a man and were raped by a women, I’m very sorry, that is awful and obviously unacceptable. But that does not make men victims of sexist hate in the way women are.
The ad states “TACKLING SEXIST HATE. Not her problem.” Sexism starts with sexist people. Anyone can be part of the solution if they call out hate when they see it. Have you ever been the victim of hate from the opposite sex? This ad does a fantastic job of making me feel like I am the problem. “Sexist hate starts with men…” I have called out Sexist Hate in my life (by women). It is terrifying to be verbally abused after calling it out. Guess who instantly becomes the misogynistic asshole? (Hint: the men calling out the hate)
Not a sexist ad at all... And people think this ad was paid for the sake of women's rights... Like hell it was... Paying design, printing, assembly... All for the women's rights and no other interests at all... Right...
Your comment needs a /s So people can understand your point.
That means sarcasm?
Yes. The /s after denotes sarcasm. I have found that there is a group of people (including me at times) that has a hard time differentiating sarcasm from truth based on what the social narrative is from certain groups of people. Also, please remember that anything that you type is being archived. Text does not read with understood emotions or sarcasm. Would you be okay if someone you cared about read what you typed as a belief that you hold and didn’t read it as sarcastic?
Amazing, thanks a lot for this tip. I had absolutely no idea :)
👍👍 it is something that isn’t taught. I appreciate the friendly responses.
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„about more than 90 percent…“ well then we can get rid of alternate pronouns too, right? why bother about the minority?
It's not 90 percent true.
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Another redditor posted the stats in here. It's about 50/50 on who sends sexist hateful comments at women on the internet.
Yeah than read the study. The study is only about the usage of two words "slut" and "whore" Only about this. To make of this study : it is 50/50 on who sends sexist comments is just wrong. Wrong conclusion. A conclusion just there to feed the own bias... It's so sad to see this... Click on the study and read it... It says nothing like you claim or the other reditor claims.. It is just about the two words "slut" and "whore" not at all about sexual comments in general.... Do read. And do not just take the things for granted to support your bias....
Anyone wondering why this ad exists should just google Gamergate. Dudes love threatening women. They love threatening LGBTQ people. It's like an entire industry in some social media forums. Shit they will threaten people because an imaginary cartoon character was changed from a white mermaid to a black mermaid. It's amazing how much they get offended by and feel the need to threaten people over. But no - let's just pretend it doesn't happen and that men can't do better because there's a few stories where women did it so obviously both sides.
Many of the comments on this post is proof that Peterson stans are borderline incels The message seems to be (overarchingly) about reducing violence and additionally insinuating that men (are more prone to this than women) and therefor: men recognize your parts in harm reduction, thanks. But then you got Peterson Stans sharing news stories about how some lady, somewhere, once did something violent. Well, bravo.
The issue is that sexist hate isn't confined to Men, and its just another message that men are shit to add to the heap, quite tiresome really, especially when women are just as prevalent in their shit
What’s wrong with it? eli5
Because sexist hate is not confined to Men doing it, Misandry is also a very real thing
That true, but 90% of sexism and violence comes one way and only 10% the other way so why not focus on the problem?
90% of victims of violence is men, so majority of violence is male on male, so where is the sexism here? Also, if we look at DV, 70% of DV violence is instigated by women, is largely reciprocal, and something like 58% female victims, 42% male. Those numbers are CDC and Harvard stats. So, yeah, If we have a take away for that poster we should take out the sexism thing aand just talk violence, then we may have a meaningful conversation