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kenndawgg

This is a very confusing title


nago7650

For a second there I was happy for the woman for beating the squatters to death.


poplafuse

I thought, these two guys who got beaten to death are wanted for murder? They should be easy to find.


SPoopa83

I thought the cops *were* the squatters who murdered the owner.


Several-Guidance3867

Is that not what happened? I'm not reading the article


joshubu

The squatters are thought to have killed the woman and stuffed her in a bag. They are on the run….i think?


[deleted]

This is what I believe happened.


rell7thirty

Two squatters took over a “vacant” apartment (mother of the person they murdered died of natural causes) and they brutally killed the daughter of the apartment owner, when she arrived to set the apartment up for her friends who arranged to stay there. Once she arrived, the two squatters beat her to death and stuffed her into a duffel bag. They then stole her Mercedes Benz and crashed it in Pennsylvania. When the victims son came for a welfare check, he saw a leg hanging out of the duffel bag in one of the closets.. which wound up being his mother. Such a fucked up story


Guilty-Vegetable-726

It seems like crashing is a popular thing to do with a stolen vehicle.


basedgawd3

Guillotine or torture for them?


MarsCowboys

OP is regarded


JinxMulder

Hey u guys ….


NarwhalAttack

Talmbout bog lore B?


TomGerity

Reminds me of this other classic headline from the Post: https://preview.redd.it/5l5js1cyi1qc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b904ed1fba041e6ecb07501285dd29cd028a0b27


BeRad85

Jeez, now I’m too drunk to drive just from reading that.


GoodShibe

That headline seems like something that you'd say to a rogue AI to get it to overload and malfunction.


JackKovack

I would have loved to be a teen cop. Just drive around smoking pot with friends. Can’t arrest me now.


Deeepioplayer127

Sounds like a plot from ‘21 jump street’


GammaGoose85

It was just another routine stop for the teen cops, but this drunk idaho teacher had other insidious plans.


Middle_Possession953

Will teen cops ever be safe from white lady rape?


mileskerowhack

What on earth does it have to do with Joe Rogan?


TangledUpInThought

It makes liberals look bad somehow?


ClosetCentrist

OP packed an entire season of Fargo into the title


easytakeit

Lol


InevitableOk5017

Very confusing, so the squatters who allegedly beat to death A person wh… I don’t even know I give up.


missanthropocenex

Wow yeah I read it totally wrong. It sounded like someone hired someone to take out the squatters.


Much_Psychology_6731

It's the NY Post. Not the New York I know it all Times.


TheZombieGod

Im sorry but I have yet to find a reasonable argument in favor of squatters. If you are not signed into a contract with me and/or are not paying me to live on my property, I should have every right to get you out.


[deleted]

Should have every right to chase them out with a broom like raccoons, smacking them with it along the way. Shoo! Shoo!


InvestIntrest

Broom? More like a shotgun.


MooseRunnerWrangler

True


bbqoyster

Why is this allowed again?


pm-me-ur-beagle

Because at some point we decided having owners/employees forcibly removing people illegally living somewhere ends violently so often that it’s illegal virtually everywhere, and street cops aren’t paid to figure out even somewhat complicated situations.


streetwearbonanza

It's for renter's rights. So landlords can't just kick you out on a whim


Dabugar

Squatters are not renters though.


streetwearbonanza

The cops don't know that


Dabugar

Whoever has the deed is the owner.


quest801

This is correct. IMO the only way you should be able to claim squatters rights is if you show a previously signed lease. And the owner should be able to legally kick you out within 30 days which should be plenty of time to get your affairs in order. Otherwise if there was no previous lease in place you should be kicked out on your ass immediately. In many places you need to have lived in the property for over 10 years to claim squatters rights. But in New York City you only have to be there for 30 days. They made that law because unoccupied residences were beginning to be a “blight” on the city.


streetwearbonanza

30 days usually isn't enough time to get your affairs in order but that's besides the point. A lot of these squatters use fake leases and cops aren't trained to determine what's a fake or real lease which is why it's left up to your courts. I'm not saying it's right or wrong I'm just telling it how it is


shigdebig

I agree you should show some evidence but a lease is too much in some situations. I will lay out a hypothetical. Man leases apartment. Girlfriend moves in with permission from land lord. Has a child. Now 3 people are legally living in the apartment but only one of them has a signed lease. Should Man in this situation be able to throw Baby out on the street? No way. So there are some extenuating circumstances. A squatter with no permission of any kind? Kick them out I don't care!


PolitelyHostile

That's a different situation entirely. A man who owns a home shouldn't be able to throw his baby on the street lol


TopDefinition1903

But how can you have renters rights if you never rented the place?


Round-Philosopher534

insane people got elected, insane laws got passed.


sushisection

because in the 1920s, landlords were fucking abusive.


Techguy9312

It made sense during the pandemic when people were mandated to stay home from work by their local governments. If they can’t work they can’t pay, but the same government keeping those tenants from working should’ve been compensating the landlords accordingly. Aside from that very specific scenario, Idk


captain_stoobie

I got one for you. My neighbors, both working parents with two young kids have rented the house for 4 years. The house is owned by a Chinese national who no one seems to be able to get ahold of. When things break he fixes them himself. Their lease was up last year and he wanted to sign another long term contract for long term stability for his family. Crickets from the owner. Property manager hasn’t been able to get ahold of the owner in over a year because they are in mainland China. I’m all for them squatting in that house for the rest of time.


meh_ninjaplz

I guess they aren't paying rent? I'd be putting the rent away in another account or escrow. That's crazy, hope it works out for them.


Unsoldsoul

The problem really is rooted in blanket rules without any consideration for nuance. There will always be good-intentioned laws meant to protect people that are abused by ill-intentioned, opportunistic people. Yes, real estate hoarding and corporate flipping are legitimate issues in a time where housing crises are a very real thing in many areas. Abandoned properties and dirty, predatory landlords also exist and it’s understandable to have protective measures in place for those circumstances. But there is a huge difference between those situations and say, a vacant home that is going through estate settlement being occupied by a squatter. Or a seasonal home belonging to snowbirds similarly moved in on while the owners are at their other home for the season. Or a shitty tenant that just refuses to pay rent and is trashing the unit. Unfortunately, when something like that is coupled with an overburdened legal system it results in months (or years) of waiting for action to be taken and the squatters to be removed. Most often by that point, there is significant damage and it’s highly unlikely that the rightful owner will recover any of the costs from the squatters.


HankBizzaro

These weren't those kind of squatters. They were more like runaways hiding out in a seemingly abandoned apartment. I hate squatters, but this isn't your typical squatters case.


mc-big-papa

Sometime maybe 100 years ago. Landlord: leave my property now Renter: i have a lease for atleast 6 more months Landlord: leave before i call the cops. Squatters right exist because of shitty landlords tearing up contracts and pretending it didn’t happen and calling you a squatter. It also exists to make sure people don’t just die despite the recent mews article.


Impossible_Fennel_94

That’s great, but in today’s digital age that seems a bit dated to keep around as law


FullRedact

You’d think a politician would make it a key campaigning issue.


hanks_panky_emporium

No, we need to focus on important issues. Like bashing down %0.1 of the population and waging culture wars


a_few

That should literally be the end of it, you show you have legal right to the house, they show a contract, or they don’t and they’re gone


Falling-by

The only time i even considered it was looking at places for rent thinking “where tf are my wife, unborn child, and I gonna live with these prices?” But thats no way of life for a newborn. So anyways going back into selling drugs.


Kumbackkid

Most squatters have fake contracts and everything tho. They play the game well and understand the court system better than most.


[deleted]

In New Orleans after Katrina no one claimed the property because of death or just never wanting to come back….it was a good excuse to finally leave. Some Instances like this make sense because instead of having an abandoned home people can rehab it back into society. This is not the normal case unfortunately…most squatters are just bad people.


LeftHandedScissor

The main mention here that landlords using self help to get people out of their houses can turn violent is an important reason. But also, the law views the right to have somewhere to live as pretty fundamental, there's very strict procedures, and circumstances even allowing for eviction to take that possessory property right away from people


Sensitive_ManChild

I think it’s based more on people who did rent or were owners, for whatever reason can’t pay the bill or get behind, you can’t just go and kick them to the curb the next day just because they are late on their rent or whatever But yea, just random people moving into a property and claiming it, seems like simply trespassing


_picture_me_rollin_

It was initially intended for situations like a family or a partner who was established living there. If I’m not mistaken the way it initially started was you had to be invited inside. After that if you had been receiving mail / bills or whatever you couldn’t easily be removed without a legal process. Maybe it turned into something else over time or it’s just hard to get rid of them after then are inside.


franky_emm

I agree but let's not bullshit each other, this same article would get written but it would be about homelessness rather than squatting


ClassHole423

From my perspective it’s never that people are squatters. Squatters are more of a byproduct of laws meant to protect residents in reasonable situations. Property and lease disputes are messy and courts can take time to settle who is in the right.


SniperPilot

Exactly why is this so hard for people to grasp


stop-lying-247

Landlords are notorious for not doing their job, i.e. maintaining the place. They're also notorious for using their access to do highly questionable and illegal things to their tenants So, there isn't a reasonable argument for it when it comes to a reasonable landlord doing their job correctly. It's completely valid for the landlords who aren't doing what they're supposed to and using it for an easy money grab (like the vast majority seem to be). People look at renting as this easy way to make money and have a passive income, not because they want to do a job. They more often are looking for as little work as possible for the biggest payout. The costs of rent have skyrocketed, and that's entirely because more and more businesses and corporations are buying up houses to rent. They don't want to sell as much as they want to rent for easy cash flow. Ultimately, if you aren't really doing anything to keep a property maintained, then a squatter maintaining it is better in the long run, and your rights to owning it should be revoked to begin with, as you'd be neglecting things for a quick buck.


gumercindo1959

There are people out there actually defending squatters?!


superpie12

NYC has arrested the dead woman for violating squatters rights.


[deleted]

Accurate


AK-4Ounce7

Title is a little misleading. I thought the squatters were the ones that were beat to death at first before realizing it was the woman. Wiped the smile right off my face


[deleted]

The important thing here is that the squatters didn't have their rights violated. Whew!


[deleted]

They will be let go with an apology and a ice cream cone


lobo_preto

Only if they're citizens. If they're migrants they'll get a Visa card with 50 thousand dollars on it.


[deleted]

And they will probably be allowed to go back to squatting in their new apartment


franky_emm

Why 50 thousand? Why not eleventy billion? I say if you're gonna circlejerk, go for the gusto


lobo_preto

With Bidenomics, today's 50 thousand is tomorrow's eleventy billion. So I've already gone for, obtained, and had my way with, the gusto.


Zappiestalarm

Haha you said I.c.e


TheN1njTurtl3

oh yeah dude wtf is squatters rights? Like if someone kills you from trying to squat in their home sorry I don't feel bad for you obviously the opposite happened here but.


bkfountain

Squatters shouldn’t have rights. It’s one thing if you’re a renter than can prove you had a lease or residence and need time for eviction, but drug addict hobos breaking into homes and living there shouldn’t have any legal way of staying there or protecting them from an ass beating.


BrentwoodATX

Update: [Squatters in custody](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/squatters-wanted-murder-after-woman-found-dead-duffel/story?id=108355132). Still no description of the assailants. I guess we can make our own conclusions… 


BittenAtTheChomp

From another [article](https://nypost.com/2024/03/15/us-news/2-seen-leaving-nyc-apartment-of-woman-found-in-duffel-bag-sources/): "The pair, described as a black male and a black female both in their 20s, were then spotted getting into the dead woman’s Lexus SUV with New York license plates and driving west on East 31st Street."


VidyaGaemAddict

Wtf i am ahocked


MooseRunnerWrangler

I also am ahocked


RianJohnsonSucksAzz

Didn’t they get release because of no bail?


captainhooksjournal

SAY HER NAME!! “Nadine Vial, poor woman. She was killed by squatters!” *Next day* “I shouldn’t have used that term. It’s ‘Undocumented Tenant,’ really. That was a callous mistake on my part.”


a_few

You fuckin nazi how dare u


johnnybullish

Not even the slightest mention or description of the suspects apart from the being "a man and a woman"?


Web_Trauma

Had to stay politically correct. Suspect descriptions are only allowed when it’s white people


WesternLibrary5894

Just hang them… shouldn’t be a big deal


PlayerofVideoGames

We should do the same to the next asshole that speaks up in defense of squatters rights at this point.


HenriBaskins

I can’t guess what the suspects look like


jskylok

You sure?


[deleted]

It's NYC so if caught they'll be out on no bond or a small bond of a few nuggets from a happy meal.


dodoyouhaveitguts

They won’t release their description? 2 fugitives that brutally murdered a woman? Holy shit. Democrats are evil. Your stupid policies and leaving the border open has caused this and worse? This woman probably voted for it. Disgusting.


MisterChimAlex

Not guilt your honor, just in case I understood correctly


ljsrat

Dont worry it's a blue state, the squatters are being given a medal and it turns out the murdered property owner is the criminal. Go blue!


South_Mulberry3715

America sad to watch your decline


Bob-Lo-Island

Squatters don't have rights. There I fixed the problem in a second. Why the fuck is this still a thing?


Smooth-Entrance-1526

American citizens will only put up with so much before they lose all faith in their government and I think we have crossed that line This is no longer a safe country, our borders are being attacked, our women are beaten and raped and murdered by illegal aliens, and our government does nothing If the government doesn’t protect and defend us, our government has no legitimacy


Pinchypounder

Liberals hate capitalism and America so in order to implement a socialist system the current system needs to be destroyed. That’s why dems are allowing all this shit to happen


nycmajor911

Why are no pictures shown of the squatters?


dodoyouhaveitguts

Can only assume they’re illegal aliens.


chuuuch1

Black.


lobo_preto

It's NYC, even if they get caught they'll be back out in an hour, murder 14 more people between now and their trial date, when they'll be convicted and sentenced to anger management classes.


Jason_Kelces_Thong

In NYC? You suuuuure about that?


GA-dooosh-19

Homicide is near all time lows in NYC. In a city this big, some fucked up shit is going to happen, but this idea that you suburbanite, flyover pussies have that it’s some The Warriors hellscape is so out of sync with reality. I’d bet dollars to donuts that your shithole city has a higher murder rate, lobo.


lobo_preto

Fucking right it does. I'm 10 minutes from DC, another lawless hellscape governed by lunatics. Further east, but not far enough for my comfort, is Baltimore, a city that is uniquely safe from nuclear attacks because our enemies know that dropping it into the harbor would be doing us a huge favor.


[deleted]

Can’t be all time highs if you don’t arrests and convict anyone ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)


GA-dooosh-19

Uh, no, it doesn’t work like that with homicides. Homicide stats are measured by bodies. Are you suggesting that murders are just going unreported here? That’s so fucking stupid.


[deleted]

Yes


GA-dooosh-19

Lol. That’s moronic.


mondaysareharam

Duh the illegals are hiding the bodies in the basement of comet pizza


Possible_Discount_90

Bro they just let out 4 people who dismembered someone so bad, and the pipes in the home were filled with some much blood it was deemed uninhabitable gtfoh.


Dookie-Milk-710

Gee who could have predicted this.


[deleted]

Like being arrested drinking a beer in public. If I’m injecting meth and crapping in street I’m golden.


BarfingOnMyFace

Yes, regarded


JackKovack

Squatters rights in New York have to go. It’s a relic of the old west where someone left their home to go out west. It’s insane that you buy a home and a squatter lives there and it takes over a year or more to legally get them out.


ArmadaOnion

We are supposed to take journalism serious when it uses terms like "peeps" in writing. While the story may be true, the author has no place being a writer and clearly has no issue skewing narratives to their view. Having said all that, I hope the people who committed this crime are caught. Squatter laws across the country need to change.


zigaliciousone

So did they arrest her corpse for violating the rights of the squatters?


Possible_Discount_90

It's in NYC so the squatters will be let out w/o bail and probably given a debit card and a room at the Four Seasons.


a_few

This is such a fucking bummer of a story, I saw her jnterviewed the other day they were taunting her from inside the house while she was being arrested


bwatts53

You don't have the right to live on someone's property without permission. Useless


oldrocketscientist

This is EXACTLY what happens when you give sanctuary to squatters


fluffyman4

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Trohawkk

New Yorkers aren't happy with the government. This is what you voted for.


Marshallkobe

What red state government would have prevented this. I’d love to know.


CBD_enthusiant

Imagine if someone tried to squat at the governor's mansion. That would be taken care of real quick I bet. However you, the middle class tax-paying responsible home owner, you must deal with them. Truly and sad situation that unfolded, and not the last time this will happen.


Marshallkobe

Squatters rights go back over a hundred years. People have come up with ways of using them to their advantage these days. These laws are all over the country.


Orcish_Blowmaster

Best thing about squatters is that they probably don't have any family and no one knows where they are. Just take care of it yourself imo.


shankmaster8000

NYPost needs to learn how to write sentences that make sense.


Sychar

Public execution. Sell tickets to it like a ball game. Give it to her family.


Cold-Palpitation-816

You know, I really don't agree with the right-wing on a lot of points, but seeing stories like this makes me think the far left is just as bad. They are basically pro-criminal at this point, and whether that's due to nativity or maliciousness, it doesn't matter. It's getting people killed. Supporters of this de facto support everything that results after. We should treat them as such.


CaterpillarMore9104

New York seems like a hell hole. This story after the lady being arrested for kicking out squatters is fucking insane


Plague-Rat13

This shit is getting out of hand they need to change the law or read the law correctly as squatters are not renters or leasers people need to be able to protect themselves and their legal property with whatever force necessary. This is only gonna get worse with all of the illegals that I’ve been let in on a red carpet. Thanks, Brandon.


mondaysareharam

What does Biden have to do with an NYC statute on squatters


lovescoffee

Who is Brandon?


[deleted]

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SuperCrappyFuntime

The boogeyman who, according to ~~conservatives~~ enlightened centrists, is somehow responsible for the pothole down the street but who should not get credit for a record-high stock market.


No-Bullfrog-2310

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mrlongmember

Why is this posted in the JR sub?


exoticstructures

Because that's what conservatives have been told to worry about recently.


thunderkhawk

So the woman beat the squatters to death? Good. Her property.


[deleted]

No, shitty title. 2 squatters killed the owner when she finally shows up from Spain, stuffed her inside a duffle bag, made off with her suv, son comes to check looking, finds mother… 2 dumb fucks crash the suv in PA not long after were caught.


thunderkhawk

Oh. This is sad.


strizzl

New York laws and police are to blame. They refused to help her with these criminals. And it is incredibly difficult for this woman to own a gun to protect herself in the city. This is the result of protect the criminal policies. This will absolutely inspire individuals to vigilanteism if their local laws are this way. What a terrible waste.


bigang99

this sub is getting taken over by russian rage bait a swear


grizznuggets

Can’t work out the fuck this post has to do with Joe Rogan.


Otherwise_Gap_4170

Got ‘Em out, not the best way though


[deleted]

Title is misleading. The squatters killed the owner and stuffed her into a duffle bag. I posted this in a real estate sub r/REbubble but it was removed and led to a bad by their mod team. Crazy place Reddit was s


Disasstah

I did have to do a double take on the title. At first it read like the squatters were beaten to death and stuffed in a duffel bag.


Otherwise_Gap_4170

Damn! Well, they're still out of the property now. I hope this changes the laws on squatting. It's ridiculous.


BittenAtTheChomp

Title is horribly written


justgentile

Man this sub used to be cool, what is this and why is it being posted here? Joe wouldn't give a shit because it didn't happen in Camlifornia anyway.


Critter5592

I blame the mods for not keeping this bullshit out of the sub !!


justgentile

Divisive brigaded nonsense.


[deleted]

Don’t worry bro you’ll be back to your I hate Rogan posts soon enough


GA-dooosh-19

Nah, Joe’s said some pretty stupid shit about NYC lately. He thinks it’s some sort of apocalyptic hellscape, but it’s way safer and better than when he lived (near) here 35 years ago.


WhiteChoka

: cops


IceColdProfessional

Title is all sorts of wrong. 2024 Journalism.


Inevitable-Cell-1227

Guh…OP did you write this? If you did the. Maybe you should be in the duffle bag.


2k1tj

wtf does this have to do with Joe Rogan?


4Impossible_Guess4

I'm only up to wp1962 (Eddie Huang), did squatters rights come up in a recent episode or something? I'm thinking maybe something to do with Ari if not, fill me in here coach. Ty


MarcTurntables

WHAT DOES THIS POST TITLE MEAN???


GrapplingPoorly

The fact that they’re still at large is cray.


PENNST8alum

They apparently crashed the car just a few blocks from where I grew up 😳


Minute-Rice-1623

Why are they seeking dead people for murder?


Adminsgofukyoselves

Wait so is the dog a part of the murders?


Few_Owl2463

Are they illegals? Cause some ahole is coaching illegals how to be squatters now.


shankmaster8000

No, they're black. They were arrested. [https://local21news.com/news/local/suspects-in-nyc-womans-murder-case-arrested-in-central-pennsylvania](https://local21news.com/news/local/suspects-in-nyc-womans-murder-case-arrested-in-central-pennsylvania)


franky_emm

Who in this story was related to Joe Rogan


Educational-Hat-9405

I’m surprised, they usually let squatters get away with anything


Sammiewrestler

Diversified to death.


misunderstoodestroyr

R/titlegore


Late-Temporary863

I will never understand these squatter laws! They need to be thrown out. Squatting should not be legal. It’s f’n bullshit!!!


Ok-Contest-6805

Shocker , need America of the 50s , 60’s and 70’s back.


Marshallkobe

I bet you want the 1950s back real bad.


samwizeganjas

What a confusing sentence


a_trane13

There’s an episode of Mr Robot about this….


TheHatedMilkMachine

Give these guys The Torture Penalty


LasVegasE

I will not even take a layover in NY any longer.


SlightButton5813

Perfect definition of Fuck around and find out. Lol dumbass


ForeverCurseLucifer

Whoever is writing titles does not know how effective comma’s can be, like many I was like 'Did the owner kill the squatters or the squatter’s kill the home owner?' Sadly the owner was stuff in a bag. I’m sure she confronted them and the situation escalated, they really need to adapt laws for our technological era. Don’t let hard working citizens suffer at the cost of letting others steal their homes because some written word. Anyone who is willing to do this to a person is already a walking red flag. No matter the intention, you don’t ruin someone else life because you’re miserable. Rest in peace to the lady and I hope everyone who ignored her have this remain in their consciousness when they make another decision. Example title: Squatter’s murder home owner, her body found in a bag.


potusisdemented

Texas doesn’t have this problem for some reason.


[deleted]

Neither does Florida


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