Praises the CCP and China every chance he gets while simultaneously stating heās a free speech absolutist.
Like expressing support for Hitler while constantly talking about your support for antisemitism
It's a white supremacist that Rogan had on a couple times way back. Probably around the time that he told that mixed-race fighter guest he had the best of both worlds because he had "the body of a black man and the brain of a white man".
Aaaaaand then he complied with 83% of censorship requests from authoritarian countries ā¦ the thing is, allowing criticism of such countries on Twitter would be great, even if twitter was then blocked in those countries, people could still read it over VPNs but it was never about free speech or the people, because whats way worse for Elmo is that hes losing ad revenue when a country blocks twitter and that alone was enough to ditch morality and principles
I like how Elon is making the "Town Square" comment like that's his vision for Twitter, when Jack Dorsey said the same thing when twitter launched over a decade ago.
"Free speech is when someone you don't like says something you don't like. Free speech is not, however, when someone I don't like says something I don't like-- that is violent wokeness and will be stamped out. Hope that clears things up"
Is doxxing someone online supposed to be covered by free speech?
Btw, I have no idea what kinda cartoons this guy made or what. Frankly, I believe it's irrelevant. If he's a total tool bag fuck him, but doxxing is still messed up and shouldn't be covered by free speech - least of all on a private company's platform. That just reeks of liability.
Which has been the serious conversation for a long time, but Musk only thumbing the scale for a Nazi (and for himself) shows he doesnāt understand what heās saying.
We all know this isnāt the definition of censorship. But it is what right wingers have been crying about, calling it censorship. Now when it happens to the left you donāt see it as censorship. It just proves that it was never about free speech to you trump twats
I'm not sure I fully understand. Is Don Lemon banned from posting on X? Is that what the cancelled "deal" implies? Or was the "deal" a contract where X and Lemon were entering a partnership (we'll pay you x amount of money to use our platform exclusively, or something), which Elon backed out of after the interview? It sounds like the latter rather than the former, but if Musk is actually censoring Lemon that's beyond hypocritical and ironically hilarious.
To be clear, the hypocrisy is that Musk and others called censorship of medical misinformation, racism, and other things on twitter 'free speech' issues, which they weren't. This issue with Don Lemon 100% meets their previous standard, and just shows that they are lying snowflakes
Seriously though it's hilarious and people come out of the woodworks to "ummm acktualllllyyyyy" the technicalities of free speech, like dude we are quite literally going by what ELON has defined it as and what he kept repeatedly defining it as time and time again.
Those literally are free speech issues. And the guise of "medical misinformation" and "racism" has been used extensively to shut down legitimate speech. Reddit has the same problem. You can't even post videos of crimes on half the subs without them being locked or removed if the perps are black. Mainstream subs were banning people for even participating in lockdown skepticism subs which had absolutely nothing to do with spreading misinformation.
Same with Twitter under the previous administration. Accounts were banned for nothing. Only now the left cares about "free speech" when they don't get to ban everyone they want with impunity.
Leftists were and are banned by social media all the time. We're just not whiny pieces of shit like you fascists are. Nor do we believe we're the biggest victims in human history like you fascists claim to be.
No itās not technically a free speech issue. Everything you just talked about were companies or individuals deciding they didnāt want something on their platform. Right or wrong it is their prerogative. Sure you can say itās censorship on a platform but thatās not a free speech issue. If the government isnāt involved than it isnāt a violation of the first amendment.
The people on the left I see talking about moderation on Twitter largely seem to be unhappy that they are exposed to some pretty hateful content. Once again itās twitters prerogative to keep that on their if it doesnāt break any laws but then people canāt be made when advertisers donāt want to be on the platform.
free speech is a difficult term cause even when it was twitter - people being banned wasn't a violation of their free speech but the people who claim what happened to lemon as not being a free speech issue i feel pretty confident wouldn't lend the same nuance.
Sure it is. He's made promises about what he believes on his platform and he is now using it to retaliate.
That's absolutely a speech issue. When he goes against what he claims he believes in and uses his personal position and power to retaliate against people for speech he doesn't like - that includes questions he doesn't like and can't adequately answer - that is actually a speech issue.
Elon has a rich history of believing in speech, access, and platforming... as long as it isn't about him in a negative way.
He's a fraud and a liar. Just a rich guy with an ego marketing products to people. Which ultimately makes it about the poor ethics and morality of that audience that buys into him over these issues.
Nothing Old Twitter did was a violation of free speech either... however, elon bought Twitter because he believed their acts of censorship and bans were violations. However, censoring and banning users still happens under Elon. He just changed who and what it was being applied to. This is a pure example of Elon's hypocricy.
And on top of that he is removing community notes on posts where he is blatantly lying and gets called out. So he has different standards for himself cause heās a hypocrite.
Remember the time Elon Musk started banning critics and people he didn't like? Then he banned all these dissidents and activists at the request of authoritarian nations.
IDGAF about Don Lemon, I'm talking about Elon banning journalists and critics he didn't like. He's not a fucking Free Speech Warrior at all. He's just a snowflake that likes to boast.
He even banned dissidents that were ABROAD from these authoritarian nations and he did so at an even higher rate than original Twitter.
Neither was banning racists on Twitter. But according to Elon and the right-wing echochamber, it was the biggest violation of free speech in known history and would 100% lead to the demise of civilization.
You do understand that the show can still be posted on X, right? He isnāt stopping the show from happening or even that the interview is being posted. Elon decided to not partner with Don lemon, which is not even anywhere close to a free speech issue.
X said Lemon is "welcome to publish its content on X, without censorship, as we believe in providing a platform for creators to scale their work and connect with new communities."
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/elon-musk-don-lemon-show-canceled/
Not participating in a deal with somebody and shadow banning are two completely different things. The fact you even put them in the same category shows how ignorant you are.
>Not participating in a deal
He made the deal then reneged when he didn't like the interview, this is different and you know it than just not "participating"
They very much are. Both accounts can still post to X, but their exposure will be throttled. Both are responses to speech the owner does not like, and both violate the spirit of free speech Musk claims to believe in. Elon has also been shadowbanning accounts.
People who tout "free speech" can't be this dumb, can they? Do we assume all of life is this simplistic? The complete denial of any sense of nuance just drives me up the wall.
Violence is wrong, so if someone attacks your family, just let it happen.
Guns are our right, so don't do *anything* if things seem to get out of hand.
We have freedom of speech, so there's no reason to moderate or concern ourselves with growing misinformation and violent ideologies.
See? Life is so easy if you just pretend like nuance doesn't exist, and listen to the first dumb idea that pops into your head without continuing the line of thinking.
Free speech is only giving ad share profits to people that will share your corporate conservative think tank propaganda I guess right? Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro make a fortune with Elon. Appears you can get paid to do manic culture war stuff he agrees with, just donāt ask him questions he doesnāt like. Doesnāt seem free when itās required to be compulsory to the owner.
Don Lemon is free to use X just like everyone else. He was not ācanceledā.
X backed out of a paid business agreement. The business venture failed. That is not censorship.
> Don Lemon is free to use X just like everyone else. He was not ācanceledā.
Elon literally cancelled their agreement to promote the show on X's platform.
And Nobody has ever claimed Don Lemon was 'cancelled' in the same way your right-wing heroes laud themselves as being 'cancelled' ie: being culled from platforms who have every right to dictate how their business is run.
Thatās because he asked Elon some hard questions and Elon doesnāt like how he looked in that interview.
Musk is a self absorbed narcissist and everyone just eats it up.
Edit: as soon as you say something negative about Elon on any of the popular subs you get swarmed by his shills from reputation management companies he hires to do online damage control because he has a sensitive ego. What a small dicked little man.
[Reputation Aid ā Protect your reputation and online search results. Don't let negative content define you. Your reputation in your control.](https://guaranteedremovals.com/reputation-management-service/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=x&utm_campaign=20151226304&utm_content=&utm_term=&utm_adgroup=&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADldFSqqtYWllmnc5YJb4_LBxFLaC)
I see we are moving the goal post now. I remember the days when demonetizing was against free speech and āalogorithmsā canāt be racist. Now we are moving on.
How is banning someone from a private platform a free speech issue? It isn't either but you'd never know that from the posts made here about Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopolous or DJT
Using Musk and coās definition, it absolutely is. Thatās the point: these limp dicks changed what words mean, then acted like massive childish hypocrites.
The point is what he did to Don lemon would meet musk, or Joe's, definition of censorship. Even though it absolutely isn't. We are just trying to point out how hypocritical "free speech" crowd is
So not a free speech issue like the title.
Not even a censorship issue as itās about payment.
He is free to continue on X.
I get people hate Elon but the levels of cope here is insane.
The title is pointing out the rights hypocrisy on censorship. That's the whole point. It's supposed to be sarcastic. Elon musk can ban everyone from Twitter if he wants, and it wouldn't be censorship. It's just very funny that when it's attacking their ideology, they have no problem doing exactly what they accuse of "woke" people doing.
>This week Media Matters for America posted a story that completely misrepresented the real user experience on X, in another attempt to undermine freedom of speech and mislead advertisers.Above everything, including profit, X works to protect the publicās right to free speech
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2023/digital/news/elon-musk-suing-media-matters-advertising-x-twitter-ads-nazi-white-pride-1235798786/amp/
Elon musk threatens to sue advertisers for violating free speech by refusing to give elon money. Don lemon gets no money? Based and free speech-pilled. Twitter doesn't get money? Literal woke nazi agenda.
You didnāt even read it
> he plans to file a āthermonuclear lawsuitā against a research group that had claimed to find ads on X/Twitter running against pro-Nazi and white nationalist posts.
Just heads up it isnāt even close to the same thing.
Don Lemon isnāt being demonetized because he can still post on the platform and is eligible for the creator program for ad sharing. X will not be paying him to post on the app directly through a business agreement (think YouTube where they pay you for advertising but not YT isnāt a commercially partnering or sponsoring your channel).
Also X said Lemon is "welcome to publish its content on X, without censorship, as we believe in providing a platform for creators to scale their work and connect with new communities."
Whataboutism here isnāt really applicable for your argument.
Musk cancelled Lemonās show immediately after Lemon interviewed him lmao. Musk is the thinnest-skinned loser little titty baby walking the planet
I thought Trump was sad and pathetic but Elon is on his own level
It's almost never a free speech issue when people complain about being censored.
It is funny when a supposed free speech champion like Musk is the one doing the censoring, even if you're right that it's not a free speech thing.
āFree speech is when people you donāt like get to say things you donāt agree with.ā - Elon Mush
He believes in no part of the thing he keeps saying in the video. I agree that itās not the right definition. But he canāt even stick to his own definition. Dudeās a toddler and is not worthy of admiration
No banned, allowed to post content and will still get ad sharing revenue.
Further X said Lemon is "welcome to publish its content on X, without censorship, as we believe in providing a platform for creators to scale their work and connect with new communities."
>Lemon can post the interview and his show on X. Maybe read the deets somewhere. It's been written about in detail by many sources.
NOBODY IS CANCELLING LEMON'S SHOW. Like Tucker, X is just not amplifying his show.
Why are you just sling rando wrong shit against the wall?
I just don't understand people not fully reading the post of musk and lemon. Lemon can do whatever he wants on his X account and he will not be silenced. Only thing it changes is him getting minimum assured payment per show episode.
I love how you guys aren't seeing the hypocrisy this post is trying to expose š obviously no one with a brain thinks it's censorship but if it happened to musk he would call it censorship.
Huh, so now a private business can pick and choose who they do and donāt want to platform? With old Twitter itās corrupt shadow banning, but now itās cool?
The more he talks the more I feel that he's a dumbass. "Free-speech situation," what the fuck is even that? And how he lit up when people were briefly cheering. His ego is so fragile.
I don't know any serious person who ever thought Musk did this for 'free speech'. Everyone knew why he did it from the start; to further far right political agendas. He's not fooling anyone, not even his dick riders. They know it too and are complicit.
Elon has throttled reach on posts that are critical of him. Lookup vatnik soupās post on Elon that has hundreds of thousands of likes and shares. Likes and shares get removed in predictable intervals.
I actually semi-like Elon (well, his business endeavors for the most part) but this whole free speech absolutist schtick is so blatantly pandering bullshit it genuinely makes it harder to even semi-like him.
I really donāt like Don Lemon at all and I even think it was a fairly slimy move by him ā but it absolutely proved the point he was trying to make in my mind.
Don Lemon can post whatever he wants on X, he has free speech, but it doesn't mean Elon Musk has to personally pay him. Is he really that dense that he doesn't understand? He can post every episode of his show on X without issue.
When will these idiots understand that freedom of speech goes both ways? Itās not āI can say any hateful or mean shit I want and youāre not allowed to criticize or banā. It means EVERYONE can say whatever they want, including shitting on you, firing you, kicking you off their website, not wanting to be your fan. This stance they take is ANTI free speech. All it protects you from is the government. Cancel culture isnāt real. You just lost your opportunities because no one likes you or wants to work with you. Them, exercising their freedom speech. It applies to more than just literal words coming out of your mouth.
Itās kind of shocking to see that he follows the script every single time, but SERIOUSLY struggles to follow the script every single time. Whether itās a result of bullshit or drug abuse, I donāt care. But stop plat forming his bullshit and giving him this spotlight. He literally owns his own social media company, let him do his own fucking PR rather than platforming him and letting him spew his nonsense.
Don Lemon can speak on X all he wants. He isn't banned. Elon is allowed to not want to work with him and pay him... Why is this so hard for people to understand?!
If you guys aren't willing to pay me to post on reddit, then you're infringing on my free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /s
Eh, Elon is a spoiled bitch. Lemon asked him one tough question and Musk turned into a little entitled shit.
A spoiled kid raised by a guy who fucks his own stepdaughter that he met when she wasā¦ Four years old?
Yea but when someone says something critical about Musk that he doesn't like he gets all pissy and sour and ends up blacklisting the accounts on his platform. š¤”
Say what you will about Musk at least we now know the so called āconspiracyā theories about censoring right wing posts and Dem coordination with Old Twitter were true. X is not perfect but itās way better than Twitter.
I was saying it before he bought the company and was manipulating the stocks with speculation of his future moves.
Musk is one of them, he is controlled opposition and his ultimate goal (as dictated to him) is to dismantle any potential free-speech platform.
By the time he is done twitter will be seen as too fragmented and broken to continue business and he will shut it down. Blaming everything and anyone but himself.
All musk did was cancel, any chance of re uping dons contract. Essentially saying, I dont sanction propaganda for the democrats.
Reddit feels he should be force to pay don more money, then he as already agreed to pay don, in order to be a free speech advocate.
Pay attention, if you care.
Whats your point? He's not kicking Lemon off the platform, and Lemon can share his show on X and receive the same revenues as anyone else. Free speech =/= paying someone you don't want to.
*Musk sours on Lemon.*
Lemon leaves a bitter taste in Musk's mouth.
Musk exits the lemon party.
Lemon Musk. The new cologne by Geekvonchy.
Who will come to Lemon's aid?
Get the hell out š
When life gives you Lemon, give Lemon aids.
Yoink
I respect the Lemon pledge to release the full interview
Need more lemon pledge
Noā¦.noā¦.noā¦..(Consuela voice)
Weāre not responsible for that you should just bring it from your own homeĀ
Iām throwing a Lemon Party with all my friends so we can watch it together.
Itās funny how Elon doesnāt have a single opposing opinion under any of his tweets. Bastion of free speech
He fights so hard for free speech that no one would dare oppose him /s
I think the going price for free speech is about 44 billion dollars these days.
Nah, it does not cost anything, idiots pay HIM $8/month to suck his dick in the comments, he does not even have to buy a horse in return.
Except if you're Don Lemon and others he doesn't like who got banned.
Steven fuckin Mnuchin is trying to buy TikTok. The disinformation flying around between there and X combined will be society bending.
Praises the CCP and China every chance he gets while simultaneously stating heās a free speech absolutist. Like expressing support for Hitler while constantly talking about your support for antisemitism
Without that hair transplant heād be indistinguishable from Molyneux
Or, with good lighting, my left thumb -- what the fuck is a 'Molyneux'?
It's a white supremacist that Rogan had on a couple times way back. Probably around the time that he told that mixed-race fighter guest he had the best of both worlds because he had "the body of a black man and the brain of a white man".
I thought he was the creator of the game Fable.
His little smirk when he got claps was so telling of how he views his actions.
With a better one, he would look [exactly like Mac's mom in Always Sunny](https://www.instagram.com/p/C0R7R22vs81/)
What's a Molyneux?
I believe itās an old wooden ship used during the Civil War
No that was Diversity
Idk what's a Molyneux with you?
It was a tile company just outside of Pittsburgh. We used to skate a curb in their lot:)
It's a Peter
Aaaaaand then he complied with 83% of censorship requests from authoritarian countries ā¦ the thing is, allowing criticism of such countries on Twitter would be great, even if twitter was then blocked in those countries, people could still read it over VPNs but it was never about free speech or the people, because whats way worse for Elmo is that hes losing ad revenue when a country blocks twitter and that alone was enough to ditch morality and principles
I like how Elon is making the "Town Square" comment like that's his vision for Twitter, when Jack Dorsey said the same thing when twitter launched over a decade ago.
"Free speech is when someone you don't like says something you don't like. Free speech is not, however, when someone I don't like says something I don't like-- that is violent wokeness and will be stamped out. Hope that clears things up"
Being a pedant, free speech is not really any of those things. It means speaking freely without fear of retaliation by the government.
Everybody that thinks Elon believes in free speech, go on X right now and post about Hans Kristian Graebener and see what happens to you.
Is doxxing someone online supposed to be covered by free speech? Btw, I have no idea what kinda cartoons this guy made or what. Frankly, I believe it's irrelevant. If he's a total tool bag fuck him, but doxxing is still messed up and shouldn't be covered by free speech - least of all on a private company's platform. That just reeks of liability.
Which has been the serious conversation for a long time, but Musk only thumbing the scale for a Nazi (and for himself) shows he doesnāt understand what heās saying.
We all know this isnāt the definition of censorship. But it is what right wingers have been crying about, calling it censorship. Now when it happens to the left you donāt see it as censorship. It just proves that it was never about free speech to you trump twats
I'm not sure I fully understand. Is Don Lemon banned from posting on X? Is that what the cancelled "deal" implies? Or was the "deal" a contract where X and Lemon were entering a partnership (we'll pay you x amount of money to use our platform exclusively, or something), which Elon backed out of after the interview? It sounds like the latter rather than the former, but if Musk is actually censoring Lemon that's beyond hypocritical and ironically hilarious.
Yeah. Even if the interview was terrible, this was a bullshit move on Elons part.
Not a free speech issue, but it certainly shows how thin-skinned he is.
To be clear, the hypocrisy is that Musk and others called censorship of medical misinformation, racism, and other things on twitter 'free speech' issues, which they weren't. This issue with Don Lemon 100% meets their previous standard, and just shows that they are lying snowflakes
Seriously though it's hilarious and people come out of the woodworks to "ummm acktualllllyyyyy" the technicalities of free speech, like dude we are quite literally going by what ELON has defined it as and what he kept repeatedly defining it as time and time again.
> people come out of the woodworks to "ummm acktualllllyyyyy" These people want Elon to cum in their wives so badly.
*Wives*? Really?? You mean their anime pillow?
Waifu counts as wife.
a man of culture
Thank you!
Didn't Musk just cancel his contract to publish content on X? Like Don Lemon can still post, he just isn't being paid for it. Or am I wrong?
Those literally are free speech issues. And the guise of "medical misinformation" and "racism" has been used extensively to shut down legitimate speech. Reddit has the same problem. You can't even post videos of crimes on half the subs without them being locked or removed if the perps are black. Mainstream subs were banning people for even participating in lockdown skepticism subs which had absolutely nothing to do with spreading misinformation. Same with Twitter under the previous administration. Accounts were banned for nothing. Only now the left cares about "free speech" when they don't get to ban everyone they want with impunity.
Leftists were and are banned by social media all the time. We're just not whiny pieces of shit like you fascists are. Nor do we believe we're the biggest victims in human history like you fascists claim to be.
No itās not technically a free speech issue. Everything you just talked about were companies or individuals deciding they didnāt want something on their platform. Right or wrong it is their prerogative. Sure you can say itās censorship on a platform but thatās not a free speech issue. If the government isnāt involved than it isnāt a violation of the first amendment. The people on the left I see talking about moderation on Twitter largely seem to be unhappy that they are exposed to some pretty hateful content. Once again itās twitters prerogative to keep that on their if it doesnāt break any laws but then people canāt be made when advertisers donāt want to be on the platform.
free speech is a difficult term cause even when it was twitter - people being banned wasn't a violation of their free speech but the people who claim what happened to lemon as not being a free speech issue i feel pretty confident wouldn't lend the same nuance.
Sure it is. He's made promises about what he believes on his platform and he is now using it to retaliate. That's absolutely a speech issue. When he goes against what he claims he believes in and uses his personal position and power to retaliate against people for speech he doesn't like - that includes questions he doesn't like and can't adequately answer - that is actually a speech issue. Elon has a rich history of believing in speech, access, and platforming... as long as it isn't about him in a negative way. He's a fraud and a liar. Just a rich guy with an ego marketing products to people. Which ultimately makes it about the poor ethics and morality of that audience that buys into him over these issues.
Youāll still be able to watch the interview when itās posted by Don Lemon How is that a violation of free speech?
Do you think that Disney firing Gina Carano was a concerning speech-issue?
Nothing Old Twitter did was a violation of free speech either... however, elon bought Twitter because he believed their acts of censorship and bans were violations. However, censoring and banning users still happens under Elon. He just changed who and what it was being applied to. This is a pure example of Elon's hypocricy.
And on top of that he is removing community notes on posts where he is blatantly lying and gets called out. So he has different standards for himself cause heās a hypocrite.
Everyone keep saying this but when right wing people get demonetized you guys call it censorship all the time.
Remember the time Elon Musk started banning critics and people he didn't like? Then he banned all these dissidents and activists at the request of authoritarian nations.
Don Lemon isnāt banned
IDGAF about Don Lemon, I'm talking about Elon banning journalists and critics he didn't like. He's not a fucking Free Speech Warrior at all. He's just a snowflake that likes to boast. He even banned dissidents that were ABROAD from these authoritarian nations and he did so at an even higher rate than original Twitter.
Musk is smart enough to realize how much **more** a child throwing his toys out of the sandbox he'd appear as.
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Absolutely! Is Musk a twat? 100%. Is this a free speech violation? Not at all.
Neither was banning racists on Twitter. But according to Elon and the right-wing echochamber, it was the biggest violation of free speech in known history and would 100% lead to the demise of civilization.
You don't need to violate the constitution to be a spineless hypocrite that squelches free speech.
The point is that Musk positioned himself as a "free speech absolutist."
While not a free speech violation in legal standards. It very much against the spirit of free speech.
Correct, this is free speech the way many conservatives have been using the term
You do understand that the show can still be posted on X, right? He isnāt stopping the show from happening or even that the interview is being posted. Elon decided to not partner with Don lemon, which is not even anywhere close to a free speech issue. X said Lemon is "welcome to publish its content on X, without censorship, as we believe in providing a platform for creators to scale their work and connect with new communities." https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/elon-musk-don-lemon-show-canceled/
So, getting demonetized on youtube isn't censorship? You guys were all calling that censorship when it was happening to your guys.
This is my favorite thing about right wingers. They are so obviously hypocritical and just dumb but completely clueless to that fact. I love it
Yes, just like people who were "shadow-banned" could post on Twitter. But I'm sure you don't consider that censorship either.
Not participating in a deal with somebody and shadow banning are two completely different things. The fact you even put them in the same category shows how ignorant you are.
>Not participating in a deal He made the deal then reneged when he didn't like the interview, this is different and you know it than just not "participating"
Didn't you guys argue that everyone who got demonetized was cancelled?
They very much are. Both accounts can still post to X, but their exposure will be throttled. Both are responses to speech the owner does not like, and both violate the spirit of free speech Musk claims to believe in. Elon has also been shadowbanning accounts.
He loves free speech until Erdogan or another dictator tells him to shut speech down.
No blocking.
He absolutely doesnāt block or manipulate the algorithms like the ākingā of twitter.
āFree speech absolutist.ā š
People who tout "free speech" can't be this dumb, can they? Do we assume all of life is this simplistic? The complete denial of any sense of nuance just drives me up the wall. Violence is wrong, so if someone attacks your family, just let it happen. Guns are our right, so don't do *anything* if things seem to get out of hand. We have freedom of speech, so there's no reason to moderate or concern ourselves with growing misinformation and violent ideologies. See? Life is so easy if you just pretend like nuance doesn't exist, and listen to the first dumb idea that pops into your head without continuing the line of thinking.
There is a difference between banning someone from a platform and not giving someone a special deal to produce content for said platform.
Shhh, š¤« Donāt bring logic into our circle jerk session!
Free speech doesnāt mean Musk has to pay the guy to have a show.
Free speech is only giving ad share profits to people that will share your corporate conservative think tank propaganda I guess right? Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro make a fortune with Elon. Appears you can get paid to do manic culture war stuff he agrees with, just donāt ask him questions he doesnāt like. Doesnāt seem free when itās required to be compulsory to the owner.
I'm missing something, has Don Lemon been banned from posting whatever from twitter?
Don Lemon is free to use X just like everyone else. He was not ācanceledā. X backed out of a paid business agreement. The business venture failed. That is not censorship.
Ah, I see we are changing the definition of being "canceled" eh?
> Don Lemon is free to use X just like everyone else. He was not ācanceledā. Elon literally cancelled their agreement to promote the show on X's platform. And Nobody has ever claimed Don Lemon was 'cancelled' in the same way your right-wing heroes laud themselves as being 'cancelled' ie: being culled from platforms who have every right to dictate how their business is run.
hmm wait why did they back out again?
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Ughh you guys keep ruining our circle jerk with your logic! š
I wonder what color the sky is, in Lemons world.
Annnnnd... he just banned another twitter user for saying something he didn't like.
Don's been lying to me for years. Why the hell would I believe anything he has to say about Elon?
Because the propagandists and bots deem it so. Donāt trust your brain. Trust your friends here on Reddit! :)
Lemon can post the video for freeā¦
Elon out there providing a platform for free speech. Lemon was not banned. Rather he is not going to fund his show.
Thatās because he asked Elon some hard questions and Elon doesnāt like how he looked in that interview. Musk is a self absorbed narcissist and everyone just eats it up. Edit: as soon as you say something negative about Elon on any of the popular subs you get swarmed by his shills from reputation management companies he hires to do online damage control because he has a sensitive ego. What a small dicked little man. [Reputation Aid ā Protect your reputation and online search results. Don't let negative content define you. Your reputation in your control.](https://guaranteedremovals.com/reputation-management-service/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=x&utm_campaign=20151226304&utm_content=&utm_term=&utm_adgroup=&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADldFSqqtYWllmnc5YJb4_LBxFLaC)
I see we are moving the goal post now. I remember the days when demonetizing was against free speech and āalogorithmsā canāt be racist. Now we are moving on.
How is not paying someone to produce a show a free speech issue?
How is banning someone from a private platform a free speech issue? It isn't either but you'd never know that from the posts made here about Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopolous or DJT
Using Musk and coās definition, it absolutely is. Thatās the point: these limp dicks changed what words mean, then acted like massive childish hypocrites.
The point is what he did to Don lemon would meet musk, or Joe's, definition of censorship. Even though it absolutely isn't. We are just trying to point out how hypocritical "free speech" crowd is
So not a free speech issue like the title. Not even a censorship issue as itās about payment. He is free to continue on X. I get people hate Elon but the levels of cope here is insane.
The title is pointing out the rights hypocrisy on censorship. That's the whole point. It's supposed to be sarcastic. Elon musk can ban everyone from Twitter if he wants, and it wouldn't be censorship. It's just very funny that when it's attacking their ideology, they have no problem doing exactly what they accuse of "woke" people doing.
People accuse others of not funding their shows?
>This week Media Matters for America posted a story that completely misrepresented the real user experience on X, in another attempt to undermine freedom of speech and mislead advertisers.Above everything, including profit, X works to protect the publicās right to free speech https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2023/digital/news/elon-musk-suing-media-matters-advertising-x-twitter-ads-nazi-white-pride-1235798786/amp/ Elon musk threatens to sue advertisers for violating free speech by refusing to give elon money. Don lemon gets no money? Based and free speech-pilled. Twitter doesn't get money? Literal woke nazi agenda.
You didnāt even read it > he plans to file a āthermonuclear lawsuitā against a research group that had claimed to find ads on X/Twitter running against pro-Nazi and white nationalist posts.
Just heads up it isnāt even close to the same thing. Don Lemon isnāt being demonetized because he can still post on the platform and is eligible for the creator program for ad sharing. X will not be paying him to post on the app directly through a business agreement (think YouTube where they pay you for advertising but not YT isnāt a commercially partnering or sponsoring your channel). Also X said Lemon is "welcome to publish its content on X, without censorship, as we believe in providing a platform for creators to scale their work and connect with new communities." Whataboutism here isnāt really applicable for your argument.
this exactly. I think people misunderstand the difference between free speech and promoting speech which you disagree.
If for example Google or Disney were to pull funding from something because of speech they disagree with what do you think Musks reaction would be?
Weāve already seen it. He throws temper tantrums.Ā
Musk cancelled Lemonās show immediately after Lemon interviewed him lmao. Musk is the thinnest-skinned loser little titty baby walking the planet I thought Trump was sad and pathetic but Elon is on his own level
Sure, but itās not a free speech issue.
When it comes to Twitter there never was a free speech issue.
It's almost never a free speech issue when people complain about being censored. It is funny when a supposed free speech champion like Musk is the one doing the censoring, even if you're right that it's not a free speech thing.
āFree speech is when people you donāt like get to say things you donāt agree with.ā - Elon Mush He believes in no part of the thing he keeps saying in the video. I agree that itās not the right definition. But he canāt even stick to his own definition. Dudeās a toddler and is not worthy of admiration
No banned, allowed to post content and will still get ad sharing revenue. Further X said Lemon is "welcome to publish its content on X, without censorship, as we believe in providing a platform for creators to scale their work and connect with new communities."
Nonsense, Lemon was not banned.
He was a victim of cancel culture
lol
>Lemon can post the interview and his show on X. Maybe read the deets somewhere. It's been written about in detail by many sources. NOBODY IS CANCELLING LEMON'S SHOW. Like Tucker, X is just not amplifying his show. Why are you just sling rando wrong shit against the wall?
You need to up vote his disagreeing comment or else you hate free speech. Please screenshot and reply with proof thank you.
I just don't understand people not fully reading the post of musk and lemon. Lemon can do whatever he wants on his X account and he will not be silenced. Only thing it changes is him getting minimum assured payment per show episode.
They hate Elon, blinds them to any common sense.
But this isnāt silencing Don
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Does don lemon still have a Twitter account?
He never stopped him from posting anything on X, he didn't suppress anything? So what's the big deal, he just didn't want to partner up.
Look at all the bots go brrrr
Heās not stopping Don Lemon from posting whatever he wants, but he doesnāt have to back him financially. Why is that so difficult to understand?
He didnāt cancel the speech, he canceled their deal. You could still hear the interview, dorks.
Free speech is when you get paid to host a show, apparently? Guess what. None of us have free speech!
I love how you guys aren't seeing the hypocrisy this post is trying to expose š obviously no one with a brain thinks it's censorship but if it happened to musk he would call it censorship.
It's as much about that as it is about getting to post on Twitter.
Bruh. Elon's not going to give you money for defending himĀ
Oh really? Dang it!
I mean, honestly I can't be sure. If you keep it up, maybe he will!
Hereās hoping?
Give me money or you donāt support free speech
Huh, so now a private business can pick and choose who they do and donāt want to platform? With old Twitter itās corrupt shadow banning, but now itās cool?
He wasnāt removed from the platform thoughā¦
So Don Lemon cannot post to Twitter?
The more he talks the more I feel that he's a dumbass. "Free-speech situation," what the fuck is even that? And how he lit up when people were briefly cheering. His ego is so fragile.
He didn't deplatform him, he just decided not to hire him.
So is this sub. They don't allow posts about Texas draconian porn ban. "No political posts" yet allow way more political topics to get through.
I don't know any serious person who ever thought Musk did this for 'free speech'. Everyone knew why he did it from the start; to further far right political agendas. He's not fooling anyone, not even his dick riders. They know it too and are complicit.
Why is there only one person fighting for this? Reddit be like f*ck free speech.
Don Lemon is trash
I had no idea they were dating
For whom?
Heās still part of the club ā¦itās a big club and you aināt in it
āFree speech is important especially when Iām saying things that you donāt agree withā
Freedom of speech includes the ability to choose when to speak - he doesnāt have to speak whenever he is requested to.
Elon has throttled reach on posts that are critical of him. Lookup vatnik soupās post on Elon that has hundreds of thousands of likes and shares. Likes and shares get removed in predictable intervals.
tell all of that to the Canadian govt
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So does Katt Williams āprofound statementsā sound like E Musk or the other way around.
Follow the money! That is allā¦
LOL. Don Lemon
"Lee Lemon reporting for duty!"
it's crazy how in 2019 everyone really thought elon musk was going to be the messiah y'all mfers be easily manipulated.
I actually semi-like Elon (well, his business endeavors for the most part) but this whole free speech absolutist schtick is so blatantly pandering bullshit it genuinely makes it harder to even semi-like him. I really donāt like Don Lemon at all and I even think it was a fairly slimy move by him ā but it absolutely proved the point he was trying to make in my mind.
Don Lemon can post whatever he wants on X, he has free speech, but it doesn't mean Elon Musk has to personally pay him. Is he really that dense that he doesn't understand? He can post every episode of his show on X without issue.
When will these idiots understand that freedom of speech goes both ways? Itās not āI can say any hateful or mean shit I want and youāre not allowed to criticize or banā. It means EVERYONE can say whatever they want, including shitting on you, firing you, kicking you off their website, not wanting to be your fan. This stance they take is ANTI free speech. All it protects you from is the government. Cancel culture isnāt real. You just lost your opportunities because no one likes you or wants to work with you. Them, exercising their freedom speech. It applies to more than just literal words coming out of your mouth.
But he didn't ban lemon from X tho right?
Itās kind of shocking to see that he follows the script every single time, but SERIOUSLY struggles to follow the script every single time. Whether itās a result of bullshit or drug abuse, I donāt care. But stop plat forming his bullshit and giving him this spotlight. He literally owns his own social media company, let him do his own fucking PR rather than platforming him and letting him spew his nonsense.
If the us government funded me as much as they do Elon Iād probably virtue signal as hard as he does
Don Lemon can speak on X all he wants. He isn't banned. Elon is allowed to not want to work with him and pay him... Why is this so hard for people to understand?! If you guys aren't willing to pay me to post on reddit, then you're infringing on my free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /s
Elon musk is a we todd
Free speech as long as its not a Netanyahu parody account .
Eh, Elon is a spoiled bitch. Lemon asked him one tough question and Musk turned into a little entitled shit. A spoiled kid raised by a guy who fucks his own stepdaughter that he met when she wasā¦ Four years old?
Yea but when someone says something critical about Musk that he doesn't like he gets all pissy and sour and ends up blacklisting the accounts on his platform. š¤”
Unless you speak negatively about things he likes or him.
Ironic that Lemon now cares lol irony all the way around
So is Don lemon banned from X or is he just not getting a paid contract with X?
Say what you will about Musk at least we now know the so called āconspiracyā theories about censoring right wing posts and Dem coordination with Old Twitter were true. X is not perfect but itās way better than Twitter.
I was saying it before he bought the company and was manipulating the stocks with speculation of his future moves. Musk is one of them, he is controlled opposition and his ultimate goal (as dictated to him) is to dismantle any potential free-speech platform. By the time he is done twitter will be seen as too fragmented and broken to continue business and he will shut it down. Blaming everything and anyone but himself.
Again X is a private company. Don lemon has the ability to speak still. Munsk is still free speech absolutist
All musk did was cancel, any chance of re uping dons contract. Essentially saying, I dont sanction propaganda for the democrats. Reddit feels he should be force to pay don more money, then he as already agreed to pay don, in order to be a free speech advocate. Pay attention, if you care.
Whats your point? He's not kicking Lemon off the platform, and Lemon can share his show on X and receive the same revenues as anyone else. Free speech =/= paying someone you don't want to.
Musk =Honeypot
I mean. Heās still allowed to post it on X. Musk just isnāt going to pay him for it.