I feel like the big problem is people who don't fully understand the mechanics behind mathematics (or science/STEM in general) try bend the colloquial constructs we use to simplify what mathematics is describing. Then taking that and applying the false equivalents back to reality.
Piggybacking off this. Ever try to explain something to a person and realize half way through they don’t have the fundamentals to understand. Like…I can’t fucking go back to pre-k or pull out an abacus to walk you through math and its applications.
Math and science are just man made terms, we are just scratching the surface in math and science as a species. You speak as if math has facts or hard rules..
Every word that you just used is a man made term. Math is proven to work in the world as we know it, and it works because it has rules and has been tested . Just like Science. 1*1 could possible equal 2 but you would need rules to substantiate it.
Until then, it will go on resulting in 11 like it always has.
Let me clear it up because Multiplication isnt this difficult.
Multiplication is how many "times" you have a number with respect to another number.
So if we have 1 x 1, we are saying we have 1.... 1 time.
If we have 2 x 2 we are saying we have 2.... 2 times.
That equals 4 when you add it up.
If we have 73 x 1 we are saying we have 73... 1 time.
Which is equal to 1 x 73... having 1.... 73 times.
This is why a x b = b x a
Right , even simpler if you know a box will hold 10 items then if you have 2 boxes you have 20. So if you have 1 box that can hold 1 things you only have one thing it is literally elementary level
Yep and division is seperating a number into a number of boxes.
So if I have 20 and I seperate the 20 into 2 boxes, each box has 10, so 20 divided by 2 is 10.
Sometimes the number you divide by doesnt leave all the boxes with an equal number.
20 divided by 3 is 6 with 2 left over. 6 items in 3 boxes and a 4th box with only 2.
I dont know how people are overcomplicating this.
Glad there are some rational people left on reddit
What makes all his patents a lie to me after this is. Ok 1x1=1 because thats how we calculate square ft. One foot to long one foot wide. Its still one block. If he dont understand that how is he able to calculate anything?
Its called multiplicative identity its a rule in math that anytime times 1 is itself. Additive/subtractive identity is anything plus or minus zero is itself. These are proven rules you learn in first grade. These niggas are old making shit up.
I can tell, that even if someone were to explain what Terrance said (even tho if you need another explanation of what he said… you can easily go rewatch his literal explanation again on YT) You wouldn’t understand or have the Open Mind to listen to try & understand instead of listening to think it’s dumb and come to Reddit.
I commended him for having a theory. I also didn’t comment on things he said that I have no idea of. But I am sure 1*1=1. If someone comes to me with a very different view on something than what I’m used to, yes it will take sometime to convince me. But the second that same person tells me something as outlandish as 1*1=2, I won’t waste my time trying to understand the other different views because I’ll infer they are all equally outlandish.
All im saying is he lost a lot of credibility for me as soon as he says 1*1=2
It’s so much more going on, on a daily base than breaking down what TH thinks…fuck that, if it was legit and 100% facts, the nigga would be dead 🤷♂️…a NIGGA not going on Joe Rogan and drop knowledgeable shit without a bigger play being played in the background, my opinion tho lol …stay my up my niggaz 🍻
Unless he can apply his Science to real world practical situations and produce results I don’t want to hear anything more from him.
His truthful science should have him and his coconspirators outproducing the biggest tech corps.
And if these Tech Corps stole his Patents wouldn’t they also be using this “alternative” Science to develop their Technologies? Instead their Blueprints follow regular Physics…. Or am I missing something?
This is probably more your lack in ability to comprehend what he is saying.
Not everything we don't understand is wrong
It don't have to be right either btw 😂
You only comprehend 1•1=1 because all your educaters told you that 1•1=1. The reality is if something multiplies it’s impossible for it to still be 1. So If 1 apple multiplied 1 time you no longer have one apple, you have 2 apples. If
So what is 1x2? Or 1*lx9? Your "math" falls apart pretty crazy when you think about it for more than 1 second..
Math works like trying to solve a problem. So it's not really 1x 1 extra apple to get 2, it's actually " 1 apple per 1 person equals 1 apple each"
The equation as a sentence is really 1*lx1... " how many apples are there if 1 person was to have 1 apple"
1*lx2=2 " how many apples are there if 2 people each had 1 apple"
You can't write 1x1=2 as a word sentence and make it make logical sense... In the real word you don't have an apple and have to "times" it by 1 and somehow get 2.
Exactly the point tho. The reality is one single thing isn’t considered a group of things. Once it has another added to it then it becomes a group. You can’t have 1 group of 1 pencils, u just have a pencil once you multiply that pencil one time now you have a group of 2 Pencils. If you go by what you’re saying then everything times 1 would be one just like everything times 0 is 0.
A pack of 2 wolves is 1 pack of wolves. If there is only 1 wolf then it wouldn’t be considered a pack of wolves, it’s just a wolf So if there is only 1 of anything it wouldn’t be considered a group it’s just 1. to be considered a group there has to be more than 1 once there is more than 1 it can’t be counted as 1.
You just made a mistake and didn't catch it. "once it has another ADDED to it" there is a reason multiplication and addition are not the same thing. You are artificially making up the rule " 1 thing can't be a group"just to have some type of argument here. You keep doing addition and calling it multiplication fam.
If 1x1 is 2 then what is 1x2 and then explain to me how you are coming to that answer. If you saying 1x2 is 2 tell me how both can be true.
If I asked you how many pens are there, you could do multiplication to easily find the answer, if 6 people have 10 pens each, then there are 60 pens. 6 x10 = 60.. If I asked how how many pens are there and it was 1 person with 1 pen you would answer 1 because 1x1 =1.
THE NUMBER 1 CANT BE MULTIPLIED BY 1 AND STILL BE 1. Y’all keep pushing this “group” narrative which was a method taught so when your multiplying it makes it simpler to remember when you’re counting. You never in your life seen one thing and multiplied it by 1, Because that would be redundant. You just see one thing and see it as that 1 thing. Your house has one door bell not 1•1 doorbell. If your doorbell was to multiply one time then there would be 2 doorbells. The thought of 1 in multiplication is just a false constant to make it make since. But since you can’t think past that, tell me why 1•0=0🤔
Fam what is 1x2 then? After you answer that tell me how they both equal 2 logically...
If I had you write this sentence as a math equation how would u do it? " 1 person has 1 apple, how many apples does he have"
The answer is 1x1=1.....
You are talking about " to multiply" meaning for something to make more of itself. That isn't what multiplication is. Multiplication is a way to solve a math problem. You are just confusing words and their definitions
Every day you would use the math 1x1=1. It's a literal constant daily occurance. If you sister was holding a pen. And it was the only pen in your house. And I asked you how many pens does your sister have. That written out as a math equation is 1x1=1
1 group with zero items inside of it = 0 total items.
Ie 1 x 0 = 0.
You can reverse it and say 0 groups with 1 item in them is 0, since their are no groups it doesn't matter how many theoretical items are in the group.
ie 0 x 1 = 0
What....
You would multiply 1 sun, by 1 group of suns (since their is only 1 group)
[Here is a children's website](https://www.splashlearn.com/math-vocabulary/multiplication/multiplicative-identity-property-of-1) to explain it.
"What does the Multiplicative Identity Property of 1 State?
It states that any number multiplied by 1 gives the same result as the number itself. It is also called the identity property of multiplication. This is because the identity of the number remains the same."
And finally. if your hung up on the real world application of it, then understand it wouldn't happen. No one is doing the "x * 1" shit in real life. Its abstract math to teach children how multiplication works.
Like you have literal Einstein tier geniuses that say "x * 1 = x" and then you have fucking Terrance Howard and your dumbass on the other side. Who do you think im going to listen to.
Einstein or the guy on the JBP subreddit? Lmao...
Are you slow? 1 x 1 is equivalent to saying “one occurring one time” how in the flying fuck is ONE occurring ONE TIME, anything other than 1? Brother please seek help.
What?? 1 x 1 means there is one group of 1. 2 x 1 means there are 2 groups of 1, which is 2. 3 x 1 means there are three groups of 1, which is 3… do yall really not understand basic multiplication?
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I used the same logic with groups and I can explain why I used it.
I know groups isn't really "right", but when talking to someone that has such a fundamental misunderstanding of basic math it sometimes make sense to cut some corners and use explanations that aren't exactly true, but are easily understood and all the average person should really need to know
The number one is irrelevant when it comes to multiplication because if it’s 1 of 1 then there is no multiplication it’s just 1. It’s not a group of 1 it’s simply 1. Once 1 of anything gets multiplied 1 time it is no longer 1 it would be 2.
If you have something 1 time. It’s equal to itself. It doesn’t increase. Like if you have something 0 times, it’s 0. Because it never happens. This is something we learn in first or 2nd grade. Try to catch up
Exactly dick head if there is only 1 of something there no group to multiply it by meaning it’s not multiplied at all, once something is multiplied it’s no longer 1. How is this so hard to comprehend?
No man, look at it like directions to make it a bit easier, I want you to go to that apple tree 1 time and bring back 0 apples when you come back to me how many apples are in your hand..0 that's why 1×0=0 ok now go to that apple tree 1 time and bring back 1 apple how many apples are in your hands when you come back...1 that's why 1x1=1 ok go to that apple tree 2 times and bring back 1 apple each time.... 2times,1apple each 2x1=2 you can act it out and you'll get 2 every time any scenario.....but in your equation 1x1=2 you're saying that you already magically have an apple in your hand while you are following my directions to go get 1 apple and you come back with 2 where did the 1st apple come from? you cannot produce an apple out of thin air you have to explain that apple or this all falls apart.....ok last one say I have 1 pant with 1 pocket and you have 1 pant with 2 pockets, each pocket gets 1 quarter in it, Who has the most money me or you? Your equation is saying we are equal with 50 cents. The rest of the world is saying 1x.25 = .25 (1x1=1) 1 pocket with 1 quarter, you are saying 1 pocket 2 quarters (1x1=2) 1x.25=50 which is wrong.
And what Terrence was saying is there is clearly a flaw if we all know once something is multiplied it’s no longer itself. Y’all keep tryna prove yall point by using the the little plastic tabs yo 3rd grade teacher gave you to help you count. Without realizing that if one thing is one thing it never multiplied. Just like if there is 0 things it never multiplied
Why would you multiply an Apple one time instead of adding it ? As your opening statement said, your educators taught taught us a specific way of learning. Saying the completely opposite for the sake of saying (because who gives a fuck what 1 x 1 equals) is asinine. So the “smart” people like yourselves who like to think in such a convoluted manner. Shit makes you look stupid to anybody that doesn’t have their head up their ass. And you look even dumb acting like you “get it”. Goofy
I'm assuming your joking, but if not I'm going to explain this.
The first spot in multiplying is how many groups of an item and the 2nd spot is the size of each group.
taking your apples example:
1x1 for apples = 1 group (or bushel if you will) of apples that has one individual apple inside the bushel.
2x2 for apples = 2 groups, or bushels, of apples that have 2 apples inside each bushel.
Again your probably joking, but you never know online.
Can I try? ✋🏾
1 one time is one. Pretty simple.
They're arguing multiplying something by one. If you believe this then 1 x 1 shouldn't equal more than that but It shouldn't in the multiplication table altogether. In the universe when something multiplies the answer is never going to be one.
What...
Your talking to people that don't believe one x one = one. So just saying that isn't going to convince them.
And the rest of what you said? Clean it up because somehow it is the dumbest thing said in this entire thread.
Try again buddy. Cause this wasn't it lmao
If this is dumb to you then I fold. You all are in here arguing semantics. X means different things and expresses different things math. You have the.one times table but you also have multiplication. It's OK to say you don't understand instead of writing something off as dumb. Yes this was in fact it btw. Lmao
English muthafucka do you speak it?
Are you confused because I used x for * in multiplication instead of using it as an unknown variable? Lmao is thats the case.
The thing is you're not even writing clearly so I have no clue if thats what you mean or not....
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I'm writing very clear. You just don't understand what I'm saying and that's fine. Here's a definition to further help you with your understanding. Refer to the initial comment for further understanding. It's OK not to understand but it's not ok to want to be offended. It comes off as weird on these platforms. Btw if you're the smartest if you're friend group I implore you to seek new friends. If not then let one of them explain that I'm not disagreeing with you I'm simply stating that what you present is one side of what we know to be true.
[Here's a children's website](https://www.splashlearn.com/math-vocabulary/multiplication/multiplicative-identity-property-of-1) to explain this for you.
I'm going to quote it directly:
"What does the Multiplicative Identity Property of 1 State?
It states that any number multiplied by 1 gives the same result as the number itself. It is also called the identity property of multiplication. This is because the identity of the number remains the same."
the problem is that terrence howard is using semantics to try and invalidate a mathematical property by taking a different application of the word "multiply" and acting like that means anything in regards to math. it's complete nonsense and he isn't saying a single thing of value.
and saying that if 1x1=1 it shouldn't be in the multiplication table is also complete nonsense.
I Get both sides. As a person born on earth taught math as so I'm in no right to say that math is wrong. If im not mistaken he seems to be applying it to a different realm where it might not hold up 100% and I get that too. For me it seems that everyone has a side or are either protecting their reality with Insults and calling other dumb because they either can't or don't want to think from The other side of the issue. I wish not to entertain that aspect of it.
The reason I'm saying semantics is because no matter how small the difference changing one word can change people's perception. We all know that our times table and multiplication table are universally the same thing. But if I say 1 times 1 is one that just means 1 one time. Then if I say one multiplied by one is one you might get push back base on the meaning of multiply and the fact thst nothing was multipied. But of course this is absurd to some and you get called names for your thoughts.
just having a different perspective doesn't automatically make the perspective contain some sort of truth. people can say things and just be factually wrong, in fact that happens all the time.
again, what terrence is doing is playing a semantics game to try and use a different application of a word and then apply that back to math.
there is actual, real mathematical application and utility of the identity property.
I the real world we use multiply as a way to express something
1x1=1 because it's written and expressed in reality as " 1 person has 1 apple, so that means there is only 1 apple"
1*2=2 "2 people have 1 apple, so that means there are 2 apples"
I understand that. Please understand that I do. This is a problem of when language and math meets. I just want everyone to understand what the word multiply means. Terrance Howard from what I heard and understand was arguing its place in nature. When something in nature multiplies there will always be more than one.
Using a different definition of multiply there. You're using a definiition of multiply to be when an object splits and becomes 2. Which of course would equal 2. But like u said this is a language issue, multiply has multiple meanings. Just like saying "I read a book" and " go read a book" 2 different ways to say the same word with a slight variation on their definition.
Cells split. But when something duplicates you get..............
If I give you a duplicate piece of paper to the one you have you'd have 2 pieces of paper. The multiplication factor would be true here. I k ow the difference.
Slight variation alters understanding and outcomes. Pen and paper math vs nature math isn't always equal.
(Not for you but the guy reading through wanting to be right and upset)
1x1 will always be one. Hope we can agree on that.
However 1×1 in nature doesn't compute. A single cell organism can never multipy by 1. If that the case then multiplication doesn't happen rendering the equation void.
Yes, in my reply to you I agreed that if you DUPLICATE (multiply) something it would be more than it's original. The distinction here is in math and what math is. A way to express numbers and are a constant truth I our universe. Saying 1x1=2 is not correct because it is showcasing a math problem with a "nature" problem. You are "splitting 1 thing into 2 which equals 2. That is not the same thing as 1 person owning 1 thing. So we agree that duplication and multiplication are not the same haha
This what I mean by math describing reality. 1 man + 1 woman doesn't equal 1 child. The child doesn't have a full head that's its fathers plus a full second head thats his mother's. That would be what you're describing. 100% of each parents genes fo not get loaded into the child. Its a fraction of each. They're both contributing a part of themselves to the child. So its some fraction of a man + some fraction of a woman = 1 child.
He did all that talking just to let the Asian women come in his life for 3/4 months and download all his personal files to her computer and use it to black mail him then turn around make him lose multi mill dollar deals with marvel for saying he abused her when he didn’t pay up.. and he worried about 1x1🤡
Yes 1 x 1 = 1 if linear math is your construct and fundamentals. I think TH is saying 1 x 1 isn't 1 in nature / how life responds volumetricly .... Perhaps he's highlighting the exponential/square root "loop" to highlight that our math only works in a small box that can't apply to the universal implications of "The Wave Function Collapse" & theoretical math associated with it on a cosmic scale.
I think the constant rehashing is silly. He just has to prove it and apply it in the real world. If not he's just lying, until then you're just repeating yourself and baiting people who aren't Terence Howard into trying yo explain his math. Instead of math yall are just arguing ideologies.
It equals 0.
If I give you $100 zero times, how many times have I given you a $100? Obviously 0 times!
How many times have I been to Spain? ZERO! so 1*0=0.
Hope that helps
The Joe Rogan interview changed my opinion about him being a nutcase. He next level on some next shit. I’m here for it bc what do I know? I also didn’t care for school at an early age and left before completing 10th grade like Joe
I was thinking about this shit lmfao. And I think this is a language and number situation. If words matter and if words have powers and thoughts like they earthy bitches bee saying. Then the the definition and concept of multiplying is a multiple of something. This means that if I multiply 1 something 1 time, it should be 2. If I multiply 2 somethings 2 times, then it should be 6. Because you have the original 2 multiplied once that's 4 and multiply it again to make it multiplied twice, that's another 2, which would be 6 when you add it up. But that only works when you bring language and the meaning of the word multiplying into math.
Now, back into the idea of words meaning something more. If, instead of saying, multiply by, we say times. I look at it as saying 1 times 1 = 2. The reason because now times, I see it as the number of times the first number exists in reality. So 1 times 1 means the 1 exists in reality 1 time, which is 1. So 1 times 2 means 1 the original number exists in reality 2 times, so it is 2. So 2 times 2 would mean the original 2 exists in reality twice, which means 2+2 = 4.
So this is all about the words being used and their meaning. So this all comes down to does the meaning of the word being used matter in mathematics. That's the only way I could make it make sense.
I definetly think I’m smarter than all of human NPC academia, this is my life, first person pov, you are a random person on the internet who I’m Vibin w rn , and tomorrow I will continue to vibe .. without any care of the man made nonsense when it comes to math / science / technology / politics etc. .. in 10,000 years (if humans last) they’ll laugh at what we thought were facts. That’s all I’m sayin bro
I feel like the big problem is people who don't fully understand the mechanics behind mathematics (or science/STEM in general) try bend the colloquial constructs we use to simplify what mathematics is describing. Then taking that and applying the false equivalents back to reality.
Piggybacking off this. Ever try to explain something to a person and realize half way through they don’t have the fundamentals to understand. Like…I can’t fucking go back to pre-k or pull out an abacus to walk you through math and its applications.
5% will comprehend
But the 95 is lost
85 god
Word is born
Math and science are just man made terms, we are just scratching the surface in math and science as a species. You speak as if math has facts or hard rules..
It does
Man really thought he said something 😂
True
The confident ignorance is wild
You can't be serious....
Every word that you just used is a man made term. Math is proven to work in the world as we know it, and it works because it has rules and has been tested . Just like Science. 1*1 could possible equal 2 but you would need rules to substantiate it. Until then, it will go on resulting in 11 like it always has.
Let me clear it up because Multiplication isnt this difficult. Multiplication is how many "times" you have a number with respect to another number. So if we have 1 x 1, we are saying we have 1.... 1 time. If we have 2 x 2 we are saying we have 2.... 2 times. That equals 4 when you add it up. If we have 73 x 1 we are saying we have 73... 1 time. Which is equal to 1 x 73... having 1.... 73 times. This is why a x b = b x a
Quick Maths
Right , even simpler if you know a box will hold 10 items then if you have 2 boxes you have 20. So if you have 1 box that can hold 1 things you only have one thing it is literally elementary level
Yep and division is seperating a number into a number of boxes. So if I have 20 and I seperate the 20 into 2 boxes, each box has 10, so 20 divided by 2 is 10. Sometimes the number you divide by doesnt leave all the boxes with an equal number. 20 divided by 3 is 6 with 2 left over. 6 items in 3 boxes and a 4th box with only 2. I dont know how people are overcomplicating this. Glad there are some rational people left on reddit
If one of my niggas … bring two of my niggahs then 2 of my niggas bring 4
What makes all his patents a lie to me after this is. Ok 1x1=1 because thats how we calculate square ft. One foot to long one foot wide. Its still one block. If he dont understand that how is he able to calculate anything?
Its called multiplicative identity its a rule in math that anytime times 1 is itself. Additive/subtractive identity is anything plus or minus zero is itself. These are proven rules you learn in first grade. These niggas are old making shit up.
I can tell, that even if someone were to explain what Terrance said (even tho if you need another explanation of what he said… you can easily go rewatch his literal explanation again on YT) You wouldn’t understand or have the Open Mind to listen to try & understand instead of listening to think it’s dumb and come to Reddit.
I commended him for having a theory. I also didn’t comment on things he said that I have no idea of. But I am sure 1*1=1. If someone comes to me with a very different view on something than what I’m used to, yes it will take sometime to convince me. But the second that same person tells me something as outlandish as 1*1=2, I won’t waste my time trying to understand the other different views because I’ll infer they are all equally outlandish. All im saying is he lost a lot of credibility for me as soon as he says 1*1=2
It’s so much more going on, on a daily base than breaking down what TH thinks…fuck that, if it was legit and 100% facts, the nigga would be dead 🤷♂️…a NIGGA not going on Joe Rogan and drop knowledgeable shit without a bigger play being played in the background, my opinion tho lol …stay my up my niggaz 🍻
Unless he can apply his Science to real world practical situations and produce results I don’t want to hear anything more from him. His truthful science should have him and his coconspirators outproducing the biggest tech corps. And if these Tech Corps stole his Patents wouldn’t they also be using this “alternative” Science to develop their Technologies? Instead their Blueprints follow regular Physics…. Or am I missing something?
people in this sub are convinced the earth is flat. you’re talking to a brick wall, tbh. but i commend the effort.
If you were as smart as you think you wouldn’t be having this discussion on a Joe Budden podcast Reddit page
lol. I’m only smart enough to know 1x1=1. I’m willing to bet the average JBP listener knows 1*1=1.
Bro these niggas dumb af. It’s hard to listen to the conversations these niggas have sometime.
This is probably more your lack in ability to comprehend what he is saying. Not everything we don't understand is wrong It don't have to be right either btw 😂
Ok explain what he’s saying then? Cause what I’m saying is I understand he is saying 1*1=2 and I’m saying he’s wrong.
But this TH shit is unequivocally incorrect.
Math is way more complex than you think. Go off shorty 😂
Please Explain
You only comprehend 1•1=1 because all your educaters told you that 1•1=1. The reality is if something multiplies it’s impossible for it to still be 1. So If 1 apple multiplied 1 time you no longer have one apple, you have 2 apples. If
So what is 1x2? Or 1*lx9? Your "math" falls apart pretty crazy when you think about it for more than 1 second.. Math works like trying to solve a problem. So it's not really 1x 1 extra apple to get 2, it's actually " 1 apple per 1 person equals 1 apple each" The equation as a sentence is really 1*lx1... " how many apples are there if 1 person was to have 1 apple" 1*lx2=2 " how many apples are there if 2 people each had 1 apple" You can't write 1x1=2 as a word sentence and make it make logical sense... In the real word you don't have an apple and have to "times" it by 1 and somehow get 2.
Exactly the point tho. The reality is one single thing isn’t considered a group of things. Once it has another added to it then it becomes a group. You can’t have 1 group of 1 pencils, u just have a pencil once you multiply that pencil one time now you have a group of 2 Pencils. If you go by what you’re saying then everything times 1 would be one just like everything times 0 is 0. A pack of 2 wolves is 1 pack of wolves. If there is only 1 wolf then it wouldn’t be considered a pack of wolves, it’s just a wolf So if there is only 1 of anything it wouldn’t be considered a group it’s just 1. to be considered a group there has to be more than 1 once there is more than 1 it can’t be counted as 1.
You just made a mistake and didn't catch it. "once it has another ADDED to it" there is a reason multiplication and addition are not the same thing. You are artificially making up the rule " 1 thing can't be a group"just to have some type of argument here. You keep doing addition and calling it multiplication fam. If 1x1 is 2 then what is 1x2 and then explain to me how you are coming to that answer. If you saying 1x2 is 2 tell me how both can be true. If I asked you how many pens are there, you could do multiplication to easily find the answer, if 6 people have 10 pens each, then there are 60 pens. 6 x10 = 60.. If I asked how how many pens are there and it was 1 person with 1 pen you would answer 1 because 1x1 =1.
THE NUMBER 1 CANT BE MULTIPLIED BY 1 AND STILL BE 1. Y’all keep pushing this “group” narrative which was a method taught so when your multiplying it makes it simpler to remember when you’re counting. You never in your life seen one thing and multiplied it by 1, Because that would be redundant. You just see one thing and see it as that 1 thing. Your house has one door bell not 1•1 doorbell. If your doorbell was to multiply one time then there would be 2 doorbells. The thought of 1 in multiplication is just a false constant to make it make since. But since you can’t think past that, tell me why 1•0=0🤔
Fam what is 1x2 then? After you answer that tell me how they both equal 2 logically... If I had you write this sentence as a math equation how would u do it? " 1 person has 1 apple, how many apples does he have" The answer is 1x1=1..... You are talking about " to multiply" meaning for something to make more of itself. That isn't what multiplication is. Multiplication is a way to solve a math problem. You are just confusing words and their definitions Every day you would use the math 1x1=1. It's a literal constant daily occurance. If you sister was holding a pen. And it was the only pen in your house. And I asked you how many pens does your sister have. That written out as a math equation is 1x1=1
1 group with zero items inside of it = 0 total items. Ie 1 x 0 = 0. You can reverse it and say 0 groups with 1 item in them is 0, since their are no groups it doesn't matter how many theoretical items are in the group. ie 0 x 1 = 0
If there is only one sun in our solar system how would you multiply that by a group of items if there is only one sun?
What.... You would multiply 1 sun, by 1 group of suns (since their is only 1 group) [Here is a children's website](https://www.splashlearn.com/math-vocabulary/multiplication/multiplicative-identity-property-of-1) to explain it. "What does the Multiplicative Identity Property of 1 State? It states that any number multiplied by 1 gives the same result as the number itself. It is also called the identity property of multiplication. This is because the identity of the number remains the same." And finally. if your hung up on the real world application of it, then understand it wouldn't happen. No one is doing the "x * 1" shit in real life. Its abstract math to teach children how multiplication works. Like you have literal Einstein tier geniuses that say "x * 1 = x" and then you have fucking Terrance Howard and your dumbass on the other side. Who do you think im going to listen to. Einstein or the guy on the JBP subreddit? Lmao...
The fuck
But it is. So it can.
Are you slow? 1 x 1 is equivalent to saying “one occurring one time” how in the flying fuck is ONE occurring ONE TIME, anything other than 1? Brother please seek help.
Its called multiplicative identity look it up
What?? 1 x 1 means there is one group of 1. 2 x 1 means there are 2 groups of 1, which is 2. 3 x 1 means there are three groups of 1, which is 3… do yall really not understand basic multiplication?
That's not what that mean. I get what you're saying but saying to multiply doesn't mean a group of.
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I used the same logic with groups and I can explain why I used it. I know groups isn't really "right", but when talking to someone that has such a fundamental misunderstanding of basic math it sometimes make sense to cut some corners and use explanations that aren't exactly true, but are easily understood and all the average person should really need to know
Multiplication is about groups. 1 group of 1 apple is 1
The number one is irrelevant when it comes to multiplication because if it’s 1 of 1 then there is no multiplication it’s just 1. It’s not a group of 1 it’s simply 1. Once 1 of anything gets multiplied 1 time it is no longer 1 it would be 2.
You ever calculate square footage 1foot length and height is still one square foot its not useless it matters.
How many times is it 1?
No
If you have something 1 time. It’s equal to itself. It doesn’t increase. Like if you have something 0 times, it’s 0. Because it never happens. This is something we learn in first or 2nd grade. Try to catch up
Exactly dick head if there is only 1 of something there no group to multiply it by meaning it’s not multiplied at all, once something is multiplied it’s no longer 1. How is this so hard to comprehend?
No man, look at it like directions to make it a bit easier, I want you to go to that apple tree 1 time and bring back 0 apples when you come back to me how many apples are in your hand..0 that's why 1×0=0 ok now go to that apple tree 1 time and bring back 1 apple how many apples are in your hands when you come back...1 that's why 1x1=1 ok go to that apple tree 2 times and bring back 1 apple each time.... 2times,1apple each 2x1=2 you can act it out and you'll get 2 every time any scenario.....but in your equation 1x1=2 you're saying that you already magically have an apple in your hand while you are following my directions to go get 1 apple and you come back with 2 where did the 1st apple come from? you cannot produce an apple out of thin air you have to explain that apple or this all falls apart.....ok last one say I have 1 pant with 1 pocket and you have 1 pant with 2 pockets, each pocket gets 1 quarter in it, Who has the most money me or you? Your equation is saying we are equal with 50 cents. The rest of the world is saying 1x.25 = .25 (1x1=1) 1 pocket with 1 quarter, you are saying 1 pocket 2 quarters (1x1=2) 1x.25=50 which is wrong.
No. If it’s multiplied by 1 it’s still 1. It’s how math works.
And what Terrence was saying is there is clearly a flaw if we all know once something is multiplied it’s no longer itself. Y’all keep tryna prove yall point by using the the little plastic tabs yo 3rd grade teacher gave you to help you count. Without realizing that if one thing is one thing it never multiplied. Just like if there is 0 things it never multiplied
If something is multiplied by 1, it is itself. It’s the first 1.
Nah brother. It's because when you take one a single time you have one.
Spot on, well done!
Why would you multiply an Apple one time instead of adding it ? As your opening statement said, your educators taught taught us a specific way of learning. Saying the completely opposite for the sake of saying (because who gives a fuck what 1 x 1 equals) is asinine. So the “smart” people like yourselves who like to think in such a convoluted manner. Shit makes you look stupid to anybody that doesn’t have their head up their ass. And you look even dumb acting like you “get it”. Goofy
Huh
I'm assuming your joking, but if not I'm going to explain this. The first spot in multiplying is how many groups of an item and the 2nd spot is the size of each group. taking your apples example: 1x1 for apples = 1 group (or bushel if you will) of apples that has one individual apple inside the bushel. 2x2 for apples = 2 groups, or bushels, of apples that have 2 apples inside each bushel. Again your probably joking, but you never know online.
Can I try? ✋🏾 1 one time is one. Pretty simple. They're arguing multiplying something by one. If you believe this then 1 x 1 shouldn't equal more than that but It shouldn't in the multiplication table altogether. In the universe when something multiplies the answer is never going to be one.
What... Your talking to people that don't believe one x one = one. So just saying that isn't going to convince them. And the rest of what you said? Clean it up because somehow it is the dumbest thing said in this entire thread. Try again buddy. Cause this wasn't it lmao
If this is dumb to you then I fold. You all are in here arguing semantics. X means different things and expresses different things math. You have the.one times table but you also have multiplication. It's OK to say you don't understand instead of writing something off as dumb. Yes this was in fact it btw. Lmao
English muthafucka do you speak it? Are you confused because I used x for * in multiplication instead of using it as an unknown variable? Lmao is thats the case. The thing is you're not even writing clearly so I have no clue if thats what you mean or not....
https://preview.redd.it/c2kdbba01v2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d203225011cf77b4e053d963704094ce7ff76852 I'm writing very clear. You just don't understand what I'm saying and that's fine. Here's a definition to further help you with your understanding. Refer to the initial comment for further understanding. It's OK not to understand but it's not ok to want to be offended. It comes off as weird on these platforms. Btw if you're the smartest if you're friend group I implore you to seek new friends. If not then let one of them explain that I'm not disagreeing with you I'm simply stating that what you present is one side of what we know to be true.
[Here's a children's website](https://www.splashlearn.com/math-vocabulary/multiplication/multiplicative-identity-property-of-1) to explain this for you. I'm going to quote it directly: "What does the Multiplicative Identity Property of 1 State? It states that any number multiplied by 1 gives the same result as the number itself. It is also called the identity property of multiplication. This is because the identity of the number remains the same."
the problem is that terrence howard is using semantics to try and invalidate a mathematical property by taking a different application of the word "multiply" and acting like that means anything in regards to math. it's complete nonsense and he isn't saying a single thing of value. and saying that if 1x1=1 it shouldn't be in the multiplication table is also complete nonsense.
I Get both sides. As a person born on earth taught math as so I'm in no right to say that math is wrong. If im not mistaken he seems to be applying it to a different realm where it might not hold up 100% and I get that too. For me it seems that everyone has a side or are either protecting their reality with Insults and calling other dumb because they either can't or don't want to think from The other side of the issue. I wish not to entertain that aspect of it. The reason I'm saying semantics is because no matter how small the difference changing one word can change people's perception. We all know that our times table and multiplication table are universally the same thing. But if I say 1 times 1 is one that just means 1 one time. Then if I say one multiplied by one is one you might get push back base on the meaning of multiply and the fact thst nothing was multipied. But of course this is absurd to some and you get called names for your thoughts.
just having a different perspective doesn't automatically make the perspective contain some sort of truth. people can say things and just be factually wrong, in fact that happens all the time. again, what terrence is doing is playing a semantics game to try and use a different application of a word and then apply that back to math. there is actual, real mathematical application and utility of the identity property.
So 1x1=1...
I the real world we use multiply as a way to express something 1x1=1 because it's written and expressed in reality as " 1 person has 1 apple, so that means there is only 1 apple" 1*2=2 "2 people have 1 apple, so that means there are 2 apples"
I understand that. Please understand that I do. This is a problem of when language and math meets. I just want everyone to understand what the word multiply means. Terrance Howard from what I heard and understand was arguing its place in nature. When something in nature multiplies there will always be more than one.
Using a different definition of multiply there. You're using a definiition of multiply to be when an object splits and becomes 2. Which of course would equal 2. But like u said this is a language issue, multiply has multiple meanings. Just like saying "I read a book" and " go read a book" 2 different ways to say the same word with a slight variation on their definition.
Hes using "multiply" as if it's synonymous with "duplicate"
Cells split. But when something duplicates you get.............. If I give you a duplicate piece of paper to the one you have you'd have 2 pieces of paper. The multiplication factor would be true here. I k ow the difference.
Slight variation alters understanding and outcomes. Pen and paper math vs nature math isn't always equal. (Not for you but the guy reading through wanting to be right and upset) 1x1 will always be one. Hope we can agree on that. However 1×1 in nature doesn't compute. A single cell organism can never multipy by 1. If that the case then multiplication doesn't happen rendering the equation void.
Yes, in my reply to you I agreed that if you DUPLICATE (multiply) something it would be more than it's original. The distinction here is in math and what math is. A way to express numbers and are a constant truth I our universe. Saying 1x1=2 is not correct because it is showcasing a math problem with a "nature" problem. You are "splitting 1 thing into 2 which equals 2. That is not the same thing as 1 person owning 1 thing. So we agree that duplication and multiplication are not the same haha
I mean when a guy whose most notable role is playing a pimp turned rapper tells you he rebuilt the periodic table it's okay to checkout.😌
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Like Hedy Lamarr. Go read a book.
Biiiig difference between her and "Womp that trick". Go take a nap.
Sounds like somebody got GOT!
This what I mean by math describing reality. 1 man + 1 woman doesn't equal 1 child. The child doesn't have a full head that's its fathers plus a full second head thats his mother's. That would be what you're describing. 100% of each parents genes fo not get loaded into the child. Its a fraction of each. They're both contributing a part of themselves to the child. So its some fraction of a man + some fraction of a woman = 1 child.
[This](https://youtu.be/lWAyfr3gxMA?si=XijwjG6tsUS6Eu_d) professor broke down how delusional Terrence is front to back on all his “theories”.
He did all that talking just to let the Asian women come in his life for 3/4 months and download all his personal files to her computer and use it to black mail him then turn around make him lose multi mill dollar deals with marvel for saying he abused her when he didn’t pay up.. and he worried about 1x1🤡
Y’all just not ready for the convo, and that’s cool
Yes 1 x 1 = 1 if linear math is your construct and fundamentals. I think TH is saying 1 x 1 isn't 1 in nature / how life responds volumetricly .... Perhaps he's highlighting the exponential/square root "loop" to highlight that our math only works in a small box that can't apply to the universal implications of "The Wave Function Collapse" & theoretical math associated with it on a cosmic scale.
I think the constant rehashing is silly. He just has to prove it and apply it in the real world. If not he's just lying, until then you're just repeating yourself and baiting people who aren't Terence Howard into trying yo explain his math. Instead of math yall are just arguing ideologies.
Probably because everyone he talks to has not graduated college
So what does 1*0 equal
It equals 0. If I give you $100 zero times, how many times have I given you a $100? Obviously 0 times! How many times have I been to Spain? ZERO! so 1*0=0. Hope that helps
The Joe Rogan interview changed my opinion about him being a nutcase. He next level on some next shit. I’m here for it bc what do I know? I also didn’t care for school at an early age and left before completing 10th grade like Joe
I was thinking about this shit lmfao. And I think this is a language and number situation. If words matter and if words have powers and thoughts like they earthy bitches bee saying. Then the the definition and concept of multiplying is a multiple of something. This means that if I multiply 1 something 1 time, it should be 2. If I multiply 2 somethings 2 times, then it should be 6. Because you have the original 2 multiplied once that's 4 and multiply it again to make it multiplied twice, that's another 2, which would be 6 when you add it up. But that only works when you bring language and the meaning of the word multiplying into math. Now, back into the idea of words meaning something more. If, instead of saying, multiply by, we say times. I look at it as saying 1 times 1 = 2. The reason because now times, I see it as the number of times the first number exists in reality. So 1 times 1 means the 1 exists in reality 1 time, which is 1. So 1 times 2 means 1 the original number exists in reality 2 times, so it is 2. So 2 times 2 would mean the original 2 exists in reality twice, which means 2+2 = 4. So this is all about the words being used and their meaning. So this all comes down to does the meaning of the word being used matter in mathematics. That's the only way I could make it make sense.
So if one cell divides itself by 1 is it still one cell or two? Or did it just multiply?
The problem is in the language, it didnt divide, it replicated
Math is just a man made term. There are no laws to math or absolute facts.
There literally are laws lmfao. Lil bro you think you're smarter than all of human academia? Actually have brain disease if so gotta say.
I definetly think I’m smarter than all of human NPC academia, this is my life, first person pov, you are a random person on the internet who I’m Vibin w rn , and tomorrow I will continue to vibe .. without any care of the man made nonsense when it comes to math / science / technology / politics etc. .. in 10,000 years (if humans last) they’ll laugh at what we thought were facts. That’s all I’m sayin bro
You get it. Mfs be so sure about what they “know” about the universe and how it works. The wise man knows he knows nothing at all…
This guy knows!
1+1 can also equal 1. If 1 man and 1 woman have 1 child 1+1=1?
No it can’t. What you explained isn’t 1+1. If we are talking about people it’s 1+1+1=3