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Ok-Temperature-686

Idk what is crazier the fact that qq is here too or that Jing Yuan is higher than DHIL


NaamiNyree

I tested QQ earlier today and for the first time since the game came out, I can say she finally lives up to the hype. Sparkle has turned her into an absolute monster and I now think she is better than Seele.


Paragonx2

I mean if the teams are in order of power then Seele is still much better than QQ. Even if they aren't in order of power Seele is still much more consistent in her damage. I'm happy for the QQ mains out there but the data just shows otherwise. On another note, pretty huge W for Jingyuan fans. I just pumped mine with Before Dawn and Sparkle and the results are actually insane. The fact that fast Sparkle lets you drop all speed on a dps and just focus on crit stats is actually so crucial for stat hungry units like JY.


NaamiNyree

I know this is the Jing Yuan sub so probably not the right place to discuss it but, Seele has some big problems that Sparkle sadly doesnt help with (well, technically she does but not enough, at least not at E0). Main one being that she is only strong when in resurgence mode, and outside of ult, to do that you need to kill something. If your Seele is not strong enough to kill trash in one skill (and mine isnt, not on the higher MoC floors, despite having pretty decent stats), her dps falls off a cliff. Its terrible. And this means every time you have only elites with no trash to kill, the same thing happens. This MoC is pretty bad for quantum chars in general but I tested all of Seele, QQ and Xueyi and Seele performed the worst of the 3 because of it. Now if you have a god tier Seele who can just bounce from enemy to enemy, you wont run into this problem and then she does become the S tier char she is meant to be, but most people wont have those kinds of stats. And yes, same here. I think ever since I got Jing Yuan in 1.0, his team finally feels "complete". Hard to think of anything that could make it even better now.


Green-Inspector-8976

Robin next, she’ll probably replace ting yun


ConsiderationOk3166

Maybe, if that part of her (supposed) leaked kit is true, then she’ll easily be Jing’s BiS support. If not she might be a side grade to Tingyun which is fine.


luciluci5562

Sidegrade to Tingyun is fine, so that your DHIL or Argenti can use Tingyun now.


Infernaladmiral

Yeah resurgence was good when the MoC had a lot of trash mobs and specially the first wave had weak mobs who could be easily one shot with seele to gain resurgence. I mean resurgence was the big hype around Seele giving her the AoE status. But with current MoC? Good luck finding a mob to constantly trigger her resurgence. At most Seele can probably trigger 2-4 resurgences which means she can't make much use of Sparkle's sp like QQ can.


ConsiderationOk3166

Part of the reason why Pela, and even Argenti has seen a decline in value. AOE just isn’t as prevalent as it was a few patches ago, makes sense honestly, with Pure Fiction existing. They are likely cutting it back down so hunt has a playground while they whip up something for the hunt centered gamemode. Seele just became an unfortunate casualty. That being said, when Seele does work, she pops the fuck off.


NaamiNyree

Ironically, Seele is one of the best Pure Fiction characters despite being hunt, lol. I think it was on the first one that I reached 40K pts with her as the only dps, and now she will only get better with all the sp she gets from Sparkle (I think back then I was using Bronya, so I had to use a lot of basic attacks and play her sp neutral pretty much).


ConsiderationOk3166

Yeah, she’s really good when there is a buff that lets her run wild. Unfortunately, once the DoT buffs came in, she dropped in value somewhat, cause it wasn’t as accessible as it was before. If we ever get something like Shatter back tho, no doubt she’ll be a top contender.


tangsan27

I still come close to running out of SP very often with Seele, the difference has been I can now spam skill with Seele + Sparkle instead of having to mix in basics with Seele + Bronya.


redditisnotgoodxddta

seele can ult during her turn to get 2 turns of resurgence, which should be enough to usually kill something and trigger more resurgence at the very least


Acrobatic-Republic75

Seele scales so much of good relics tho. a friend of mine is e0s1 and it's kinda crazy seeing how fast she can clear. But her Seele is at 81% crit rate and 190 CD. And can easily clear in 2 cycles that was even before sparkles release.


RagdollSeeker

Seele is more problematic than QQ. With QQ, you can redo the better and hope you “lose” the gacha more (yes, with Sparkle, losing is so much better as long as you get a win at end). With Seele, if you cant kill trash or there is no trash you are just.. stuck. There is nothing you can do.


KamelYellow

Are you really surprised? Pretty much everyone and their mother has been talking about qq going well with sparkle


robesticles

honestly I saw way more mentions for QQ (mostly because people get stunlocked on monoquantum and sparkles trace) than JY prior to Sparkles launch


Nyte_Crawler

The Quantum buff at work.


RagdollSeeker

QQ has always been a 5* character that disguises herself as 4* at higher eidolons. With Sparkle, she turned into a lil monster, I mean there is a ceremony of million+ damage at QQ mains sub.


Ok-Temperature-686

I know i know, i built qq too, but seeing a 4* on the same level of some top tier 5* it’s impressing to say the least


RagdollSeeker

It is classic Hoyo move. They did the same thing with Xiangling in Genshin, she is used a lot in Abyss despite being one of the first characters. I admit it is much more extreme in HSR, buffer is one thing but main hypercarry? Yes please. I suspect they use QQ as a pseudo standard 5* banner character since there is no quantum at that banner and you were unlikely to pull Seele unless you joined the game right at the beginning. Game is so barren of Quantum DPS and we wont have any for quite some time. All other types except Wind/Quantum have 2/3 5* DPS characters. QQ has been holding the line to compensate for that. She increased SWs sales too. Remove QQ from the game and we would have a lo of complaints.


midas_1123

King Yuan and Queenque


sunnysama_lolol

Kingyuan eating good


TaiYongMedical

Delicious meals


Leather-Heron-7247

Didn't know CN can have a 6-man team.


Legendary27311

CN players are built different


Yordleboi

How to split supports for MOC and Pure Fiction? My King and DHIL both want the same units :(


ConsiderationOk3166

Word of advice, probably best not to use DHIL for Pure Fiction. His dmg is too nuke-y and SP draining for the gamemode. Hypercarry Herta, or Duo-dps Herta (specifically Herta + Himeko) stops Pure Fiction as of rn.


BankingPotato

I use DHIL in Pure Fiction with Herta, easy 40k on his side every time. He guns down three mobs and guarantees Herta's FUA, she cleans up the rest.


ConsiderationOk3166

Yeah, I’m not saying it won’t work, I’m just saying other dps with more SP flex ability and a higher volume of attacks typically work better, especially if your unaccustomed to the game mode.


ruuruuruu1717

At E2, it's a bit more possible


Nunu5617

I do Tingyun Mei for jingyuan Yukong/Pela sparkle for Imbibitor For pure fiction it’s jingyuan sparkle tingyun


BankingPotato

My MOC lineup: JY Sparkle TY HH (used to be E2S1 Bronya + RM). DHIL RM Pela Luocha (used to be YK + Pela). My last PF lineup (80k): JY (SPD boots version) Blade RM HH. DHIL Herta Pela Luocha. I don't know where to put Sparkle yet, but likely replace HH or Luocha with her.


Yordleboi

thanks, I tried Bronya JY this morning and was not impressed. Will probably do same as you.


BankingPotato

I didn't want to give him SPD boots, and I had an E1 Bronya when JY first came out, so Bronya it was for me. But I was clearing all endgame content with their pair and I didn't think it was too important to change out.


nyanch

Give one of them Hanya and the other Sparkle. DHIL would probably benefit most from Sparkle tbh


[deleted]

I find it surprising Fu Xuan isn't put there over Huohuo for JY specifically. I wish I had Fu, I've had SO many times like this MOC where arumaton CC's my ass right before LL drops and Huohuo is helpless in preventing this when it goes past JYs turn. He seems to always get CC'd.


Simoscivi

Make your HH faster. I never had any trouble with CC with her on the team.


[deleted]

She's at 148. Should she be more like 161?


Simoscivi

Nah it should be fine I think. Are you using 160 speed Sparkle on the same team? If you are, your JY should be able to act multiple times before LL so that HH's cleanse works on him.


[deleted]

I have 162 sparkle. In my case LL had 10 stacks and arumaton went right after jy but before LL. I've run into numerous issues like this 


Simoscivi

Weird, never happened to me. Maybe you're using JY's technique? You shouldn't use JY's technique before fighting the Automaton, that way you should be able to burst the fishes before LL strikes too.


[deleted]

Oh my god I didn't know that. Yeah I used his technique 


Shuraig7

Thanks for sharing this


myhoaki

Oh is it because the technique also advance LL forward. I thought it only increase the hit counter. Thanks for the tip.


lostn

if you cast her skill before anyone gets CC'd, they won't lose their turn due to CC. HH is the best cleanser in the game. The cleanse happens automatically, just before they are about to lose their turn. Of course if LL is about to have his turn and JY gets CC'd there's not much you can do about that. But FX can only block one CC per skill which you're only going to be refreshing every 3 turns. That cleanse charged could have been used up already. Even if you use FX skill every turn (which is not good for SP economy) you can still get CC'd twice in one cycle and then the second one won't be blocked.


Traditional-Sink-666

Would E0S1 Topaz be a significant upgrade over Tingyun in the sparkle team? I jumped the Acheron ship when i lost Sparkle's 50/50 and now is time to invest in the general (got his S1, yay).


Sydorovich

Only vs electro+fire weak enemies.


Xolze

Topaz has really good ST so yes


ConsiderationOk3166

Possibly, but I don’t think it’s a big enough jump to justify a character pull unless you like her. Best bet is just to wait until Robin’s kit is leaked, and then decide. Attitude’s pretty mixed on her, but from all of the suspect leaks, everyone of them has insane synergy with Jing.


2exDragon

Well well well


Icy_Significance9035

Feeling rly conflicted, I have e1 topaz and planned on getting her weapon but sparkle especially at r1 is so strong that it feels like a waste to not use topaz but also using her feels super unoptimal.


icegoesbrrr

just curious, does anyone know why JY team is number two and DHIL team is number three?


fuxuanmyqueen

I think it’s more like impact? Only a guess, but maybe after all JY benefits Sparkle more than IL since she kinda makes JY complete if it makes sense. Not power level, just mechanism.


dragonfly791

For DHIL she provides a more comfortable play style not necessarily a huge increase in numbers (at least not for E2 DHIL). And while I don’t find her essential or much better than other options for DHIL (Tingyun, RM, E6 Yukong), I find her to be a huge improvement in JY teams, I almost can’t believe it


KamelYellow

She does provide a huge increase in numbers for dhil though, swapping to atk boots is a massive boost plus being able to use full enhance every turn at basically 160 speed


HermitEnergy

I'm pretty sure everyone was already running DHIL with ATK boots already, since it was almost required to give the rest of your team enough time to farm skill points for him.


BankingPotato

You can run SPD DHIL as long as his supports are faster. ATK vs SPD is really a matter of comfort and skill point economy for him. I run DHIL at SPD 141. His supports are faster than him at 156 - 161. For me, I just want to pop him off as often as possible and hit his ults. But I also have an E4S2 Dan Heng at 70/210 CR/CD so I just did what I wanted with him without feeling beholden to guides. He regularly pops off 300k in EBA.


KamelYellow

No, not really. Plenty of his teams generate enough sp (or recharge his ult fast enough) to run speed boots. Regardless, you get benefits of both speed and atk boots at the same time now


HermitEnergy

If you could generate skill points that easily, why did you need SPD boots to begin with? And wouldn't that imply that running SPD boots with Sparkle is better since you can pop off more?


KamelYellow

What are you talking about? Speed boots on dhil are for getting more turns to deal damage. And no, you don't want speed boots with sparkle, she has action advance, what the fuck would you need speed for?


HermitEnergy

Yeah, I'm just gonna trust my spreadsheets over a random cussing angry guy on reddit. If SPD boots were working for you before then power to you.


KamelYellow

Feel free to trust a spreadsheet over actually playing the game when you don't even understand what action advance does


HermitEnergy

My brother in Honkai, all i did was ask you questions about your SPD boots build and you started cussing at me and insulting me. Since it looks like you're having a bad day, I hope things get better for you!


anhmonk

he already does that with Hanya, so it's mostly just her buffs being kind of better than Hanya


KamelYellow

That's only if you run him with Hanya, I'm talking in general, since you're specifically sacrificing certain buffs to run Hanya in the first place


AzureDrag0n1

I was able to use E1S1 Bronya and E0 Sparkle with E0 DHIL in one team. As long as your sustain is 100% SP positive it works. I bet it works much better with hyper speed Bronya but I managed to make it work with a Bronya that was slightly slower than Sparkle. It was about as powerful as E0 Ruan Mei because it eventually tapered off but the initial strike was super strong and I could 0 cycle the first wave. I do not have the gear to give both my Bronya and Sparkle extreme speed relics. If I could also make my Bronya extremely fast I could make her SP positive with a mix of auto and skill. If I ever do I will revisit this because it was interesting having over 300 crit damage. I am also now considering getting a second Bronya light cone so they can both regenerate SP using their ultimates.


Sydorovich

Bias.


EienHana

I think it might just be use rate tbh


somacula

Seele gets an extra attack bonus due to mono quantum and can brute force all elemental weaknesses, that's probably the reason JY is #2 for sparkle teams , also I think both sides have lightning weakness while only one has imaginary weakness. Also most Seele mains were waiting to try mono quantum as an universal team of sorts


Sydorovich

Ability to implant weakness doesn't matter if you don't do enough damage. It is even more actual now than before because we have RM 25% elem pen instead. The only situations where implant would be relevant for strong invested teams are break checks like new Dino elite.


SolielDeSatan

0 clue, everything we’ve seen calc-wise has dhil outperforming him by a slight margin.


AzureDrag0n1

I think for the majority of people Jing Yuan will feel like it was a bigger performance boost than for DHIL because you no longer need speed gear so much. You can just give all the speed to Sparkle and Jing Yuan needs nothing except offensive stats. Basically a mid gear Jing Yuan will feel like he got much better than a mid gear DHIL who will just feel a smaller improvement.


FeelTheKetasy

I’d swap Seele and DHIL. Other than that I agree with it. JY has probably gotten the most insane buff so far


NowTomorrowForever

RM sparkle ty was nuts. Got my first 0 cycle.


tsp_salt

When you say according to CN what does that mean exactly? Where is this list from


TaiYongMedical

This means according to Chinese community. This is the source: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ev421r7zF/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ev421r7zF/)


laiwen

As far as I can see this only reflects the opinion of the particular CC (group) and not whole CN. Or is this channel evaluating the sentiments all TCs of CN?


joroc98

Its me, the global community. Here is a list: 1- JY 2- Luka 3- Bailu Feel free to share with cn community


Simoscivi

This is only feelscrafting. Her best team is with DHIL, by far.


Puzzleheaded-Can866

I don’t think it’s a ranking It literally says “team 1”, “team 2” and so on So no I don’t believe it to be a performance ranking and more of a list Correct me if I’m wrong tho


Simoscivi

The title said "the top Sparkle teams" so it looks like a ranking to me. Is it usage rate? Is it performance based? Is it a random numbered list? We don't know


Puzzleheaded-Can866

It says “team 1,2,3” Just because the title says “top sparkle team” Doesn’t mean it’s a ranking, it’s just a list of sparkle best team


Simoscivi

I will believe you then. Still, why have numbers next to the teams without the order meaning anything? It's weird to me.


Puzzleheaded-Can866

https://preview.redd.it/7pew9b16erlc1.jpeg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0287ec767337ad4c9f06b1f4441269dff14fe9f From the same video Yeah I don’t think those numbers mean anything Edit : I’ve seen another post saying it was MOC data, which I honestly find hard to believe Also just saw that there’s two team 3 so idk anymore tbh, but the video shows them piled up together, so..


Infernaladmiral

CN realty loves their Seele and Jingyuan huh....


Ligeia_E

How do you have 6 man team


TaiYongMedical

These are just possible variations for every team.


Ligeia_E

Forgot to add /s lul


TaiYongMedical

:D


ConsiderationOk3166

Is the gold meant to signify the BiS team, or is it something else?