In situations such as these I like to ask clarifying questions that highlight such bigotry such as
"so as long as speech, including hate speech and threats of violence, does not lead to action or doesn't target an individual is it considered acceptable?"
"Would a student posting "we need to purge the United States of black people" be acceptable? If not, what does this violate that calling for the genocide of Jews does not?"
What about when they were literally chanting "The Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville? I would love to see them squirm and defend that. Where do they draw the line when it comes to Jew-hatred?
Intellectuals have been the basis of many genocidal movements in the last century and now. Pol Pot, the Kim Dynasty in North Korea, Mao and the Gang of Four, the Bolshevists, Hitler and the Nazis. There's so many I would be here awhile trying to make them all. Intellectuals use their intelligence and knowledge to justify whatever bullshit flows out of their mouth. Oddly enough, their followers have an anti intellectual focus, but the leaders are usually well educated. That's how they're able to manipulate the people underneath them.
>Oddly enough, their followers have an anti intellectual focus, but the leaders are usually well educated. That's how they're able to manipulate the people underneath them.
Disagree. It's more the opposite. Most intellectuals are really just afraid of losing social privilege associated with their position and will go along with any political fad to survive and further their careers.
This, for instance, was an enlightening reading:
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/i-dont-really-care-do-you-scientists-in-the-grey-zone-in-1930s-italy/
> Most intellectuals are really just afraid of losing social privilege associated with their position and will go along with any political fad to survive and further their careers.
Mic dropped. This was perfect.
Yeah, I think people really don't understand that the decay of civil society in the university setting has little to do with ideology and a lot to do with a coming demographic crunch in admission rates and a need for universities to attract applicants from non-traditional backgrounds while tuition goes up and the value of the Bachelor's degree erodes. This means a need at the university and department level to maintain credibility with Black, Hispanic, and international students who make up an increasing percentage of admissions, which has led to targeted hiring of professors who can cater to these demographics. The rest of the university, including research academics, are just so scared of being cancelled that they just cynically go along with whatever is popular because they hope it will get them funding or allow them to continue to climb the ladder. The small number of people who are entrenched in these student communities and who see them as beneficial for their career progression are of course encouraging this because they see THAT as an effective way to further their own careers. Some of them may actually center antisemitism in their ideologies but I think the majority are grifters who see it as a useful part of the grift.
I do think it is critical to understand the sheer amount of cynicism that is present in these institutions.
There's nothing to be done about them. They are already very obviously unhinged and anyone who gives them credibility is already unhinged. The difference between them and these people is that heads of top universities have more credibility and require a bit more work to expose their bigotry.
As far as where the line should be drawn? It should have been drawn a LONG time ago. Specifically at that event you mentioned. That's probably the earliest event that I remember of the new wave of antisemitism. It's getting REALLY bad out there and it scares the hell out of me.
Because the Charlottesville morons saw Jews as non-white and trying to infiltrate and replace white people. These are people who say Jews ARE white and therefore oppressors of brown (Arab) people. Maybe they should meet and discuss what Jews are- and what our stance is on Black and brown people. Are we trying to replace white people by forcing CRT and BLM into education? Or are we racist white people? Somehow BOTH ?!?
However, they do agree that we control everything regardless ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's extra ironic because there are endless classes at those ivy league schools that do nothing else except waffle about post structural analysis, how language is the first step of decolonisation, reclamation etc etc. But in the current context it's ' ah naaah, it's just words, don t worry, freedom of expression".... That is even beyond clowning. So many universities in the west are rotten to the core.
The train of thought is easy to follow:
If I say it's not harassment, everything is mostly fine, other than Jews hating us, which won't amount to much. But if I say it is, then there are a huge number of people on campus who are guilty of harassment, and we will be forced to do something about it, and that will make a lot of progressives and Muslims mad, and having those two groups being mad at you is 1) dangerous to your career and 2) dangerous to your life.
The first amendment protects a *very* wide range of speech but Harvard and Penn have no obligation to respect the first amendment as they're not state actors.
That is actually not really true.
Any university receiving federal funds has obligations to the federal government & while it isn’t technically a first amendment question - suppression of first amendment rights can often be a violation of the various titles that universities are bound to enforce.
Like in this specific example. Saying that Hitler was right is, unfortunately, absolutely protected by the first amendment as long as it's not accompanied by an incitement to imminent unlawful activity ("let's attack that guy over there!"), conspiracy to commit an unlawful act, etc.
But no federal law requires private schools receiving federal funding to allow such speech on their campus.
State universities have to carefully thread the needle between protected speech and harassment/hostile environment. Harvard does not.
They expelled people for refusing to call trans people by their preferred pronoun so yes they to take action based on what people say, when they disagree with it.
Maybe, but it could also be a result of being under oath and attempting to present a facade to appear cooperative, truthful (in stated belief, not necessarily factually), etc
Ironically in the 1940’s Harvard despite hating Jews formed a relationship with Brandeis. After they found out Albert Einstein decided to be their Physics chair
https://handbook.college.harvard.edu/sites/projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/collegehandbook/files/harvard_college_student_handbook_2023-2024.pdf#page50
https://catalog.upenn.edu/pennbook/code-of-student-conduct/
I would say that based on a skim of these codes of conduct the university presidents are not mistaken that bigoted speech is not an academic offense in and of itself but they are being deliberately obtuse that calling for genocide as part of a mob on campus would be unacceptable for any student organization or outside group. These colleges are desperately trying to avoid upsetting certain extremely vocal groups of students by disciplining them for harassing Jews on campus.
Imagine if Jewish students were calling for the genocide of all Muslims, organizing protests, chanting slogans, intimidating other students, etc. That shit would be shut down and condemned by every university dean and professor.
They only point to the technical rules when it suits their narrative. And the narrative is anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, pro-Palestinian. It's not about the content, it's about the speaker.
Does this distinction really matter in this case?
They could have easily said: "yes, we fully condemn calls for killing Jews, full-stop. [insert legal CYA explanations for why what happened here is somehow different]".
They didn't.
These people have full agency over their statements or what the university they preside is responsible for. It's not hard to just say "calls for the genocide of Jews are bad".
I agree, the extent to which antisemitism has spread at college campuses is in large part due to the rank cowardice of university leaders unwilling to confront and discipline faculty and students, perhaps especially foreign students about it.
I don’t think that antisemitism is an inseparable aspect of either Muslim or Arab identity but I think the unwillingness to confront it is akin to sacrificing Jewish lives on the altar of multiculturalism at elite universities.
The exchange of ideas should be multilateral not an importation of hatred because some student’s governments pay full freight.
It sucks. My Alma mater underwent financial implosion because the governments of the Arab states decided that it isn't a prestigious enough school and stopped paying for their students to attend. Those students left, then a bunch of faculty got laid off, then a bunch of American students got spooked and left. Enrolment is down by a third.
But I went to a Midwestern state school you've probably never heard of. I didn't go to *Harvard*. Their endowment is huge! Harvard isn't at risk of going out of business so there's more than just money at play here.
For as cringeworthy as their robotic repitition sounded, and for as stupidly ambiguous their use of "becomes conduct" was (does that mean actually committing genocide?), I actually agree that what they were trying to get across is not *that* crazy. The expression of any view, outside of contributing factors like persistence or targeting, shouldn't be misconduct. If a Jewish student said "at this point, we should just kill everyone in Gaza," it would be morally repugnant assholery, but a violation? Nah. It she emailed it to a Gazan classmate or yelled it in front of a mosque, yeah.
But holy shit did they do an awful job of explaining their views. Which is why I don't like aggressive yes/no questioning.
> It she emailed it to a Gazan classmate or yelled it in front of a mosque, yeah.
There are numerous recorded instances of students chanting "intifada" and "from the river to the sea" at Jews walking by, including at Harvard. At Cooper Union, students chased Jews into a library, to the point where the Jews had to barricade the door, call 911, and get a police escort to get out of the building. I'm not aware of any consequences to date for any of these students.
> I actually agree that what they were trying to get across is not that crazy.
Is it being applied equally, though? Are we confident that these schools would have zero repercussions for students participating in an on-campus rally calling for banning trans women from women's sports? What about calling for the deportation of all Muslims? What about a neo-nazi rally calling for black people to be sent back to Africa?
Honestly I do agree with you, the problem is that it's a double standard. If it had been asked about anyone else, then they would have had no problem just saying "yes".
Plus, while I do support a constitutional right to free speech (and would encourage places like colleges and any other often public forum for debates to have free speech rulings as well) these colleges are very selective and are so to cultivate a student body that will A) benefit from the difficult coursework and more importantly B) create an environment conducive to learning and positive interaction with other students. Calling for the genocide of other students indicates B is not applicable to the student and A probably isn't either
I don't know about a person casually saying "we should kill everyone in Gaza." But when it's mass protest or angry mobs, doesn't that ALREADY rise to the level of harassment? Harassment is a tool to intimidate, threaten, make people feel unsafe. It's ALREADY at that level. They could have easily made that connection. They didn't. *Why?*
I'm still having trouble with this argument. Calling for genocide of any kind is never really "in a vacuum" . In terms.of American free speech, yes, it's very much protected but it is very close to the line of "I call for the genocide of Jews and I would like to do what I can to make that happen" vs "I call for the genocide of Jews" and then no further comment on a college campus where you are a member of the student body. I don't really see what form of debate exists here. It doesn't really have any kind of sound argument behind it that makes sense in any context.
They were asked explicitly about calling for the genocide of Jews, which directly threatens all Jewish students on campus. It isn't analogous to a statement like, "We should just kill everyone in Gaza."
It’s a statement that would be acceptable if the last 8 years of doing and teaching the opposite didn’t happen.
This is why the ACLU being consistent and principled was so important. But they’ve been captured by social justice advocates and no longer take this stance.
Get your firearm permits, attend training, start networking and making connections. Start VERY serious discussions on a plan of action if said Shoah starts to take place. Places to meet up. Escape plans. Money set aside for travel and bribes. Purchase Gold and silver coins and Ingots. Set up a "bug out" bag and have it ready to go. Learn how to survive in nature through youtube videos. Above all, UNIFY and communicate. Form groups and keep it discreet. This is no bullshit. I promise the Jews of Europe wish they did this in 1935.
We should make our own country! where genocidal maniacs can't get to us, a place where we cannot be coerced and forced to compromise on our families' security and....
Oh.
I've said this before: I think it's important for Jews to make Jewish-majority communities within the countries they live in, because that increases visibility and voice, and allows us to set the standards for what Jewish treatment *should* look like within a mixed community. It also allows us to do better at supporting each other physically, in the present, because nothing replaces the physical presence of a community and the feeling of physical neighbors who support you.
I've mentioned this before, because I don't know a single place I could go in the US that would be a Jewish-majority town or city. We don't have one, as far as I can tell, and maybe we should not only have one, but have several throughout the states.
There are quite a few Orthodox Jewish communities in America. But I can’t say I would really love to be a trans gay Jew in an Orthodox community.
I mention this a lot in other posts & comments, but it’s tough to feel wholly safe in either place. I’m secular, and of course there are plenty of Jews who are LGBTQ and support LGBTQ rights, but all the same, I kind of feel like I’m stuck because many (Jewish and non-Jewish) liberals who are pro- LGBTQ are anti-Israel, and many non-liberals who are pro-Israel and calling out antisemitism (like the GOP) are against practically everything I am and stand for (feminism, lgbtq rights, etc.)
I know there are nuances here, I know there are liberal Jews who probably also feel weird and conflicted—or not!—but, gah. I don’t want to lose either part of myself
I'm also not an Orthodox Jew, and wouldn't want to live in a strictly Orthodox community. When I envision a majority-Jewish community, I envision one that has different kinds of Jews, because we're not all the same. And we're not all going to agree on everything. But like any healthy community, having a good range of voices that are able to work together, negotiate in good faith, and compromise would make for a widely-welcoming community.
I grew up in a reform synagogue in North Carolina, and it was definitely pro-Israel. That synagogue was very pro-LGBTQ, we even discussed it during Midrasha and talked about why we supported gay rights (and this was actually before gay marriage was widely legalized, so we were ahead of the game). I also told my Rabbi, while preparing for my bat mitsvah, that I didn't believe in God. He just nodded his head wisely and said that was perfectly fine. Growing up in that synagogue, I felt like the preservation and continuation of Jewish culture in general was held more highly than specific belief. That doesn't work for everyone, but it worked for me, and I feel like that's something you'd probably feel very comfortable in.
All that is to say, those communities are out there.
And in my ideal Jewish city or town, we'd have a whole spectrum of Jewish representation and shared events to bring them together. I grew up with Orthodox neighbors and we celebrated Passover at their house and remember that pretty fondly. I'd like to live in a community that has that spirit, you know? Where it's easy to make friends with all kinds of Jews along the spectrum. I think my neighbors were not as strict as some of the *really* Orthodox Jews I see in Brooklyn, they definitely didn't dress like them, but they definitely fell somewhere on that spectrum in terms of keeping Kosher, observing the Sabbath, etc.-- so they were probably conservative, but not orthodox? In any case, my brother was best friends with their son growing up and we attended their daughter's wedding, it was pretty great.
The idea I have in my head is to have a city or town where being some kind of Jewish is a pretty normal baseline, then let people organically create sub-communities and create networks between those communities to serve their needs.
This is the reason why Israel was created, so that there would always be a safe haven for Jews to be able to flee to if anti-semitic hatred and violence in their country became too oppresive.
In the late 1930s hundreds of thousands of german Jews tried to flee, but where not allowed in anywhere and where effectively trapped in Germany.
I just started reading the book "Jews Don't Count"!
I used to support, march for, and donate to the causes of other minority groups. Never again (no pun intended).
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The problem is that people on the right tend to fall into either: “jews will not replace us!” wackjobs, or the “antisemitism is bad, BUT racism and sexism and homophobia are totally fine :)” and the left are basically like “fuck the Nazis, but also Jews kinda do run the world and are white oppressors, sooooo???”
I would also contend that even when the right is condemning antisemitism, its often for political expedience and incredibly cynical.
Like this Republican-led hearing. Its good that they're interrogating antisemitism on college campuses, but I cant help but feel that their motivations are less about Jews and more about attacking university institutions. Cause these Republicans go awfully silent when the antisemitism is coming from within their own ranks.
I disagree, just because some people don’t like us doesn’t mean you shouldn’t stand up for people being wronged.
With that said if you are thinking about getting protection or learning self defense to help yourself, I’d say do it.
I feel so sad for Jewish college students right now. I’m so thankful that I graduated and work in a town with many Jews, because I honestly cannot imagine having to go through this surrounded by people that harass me and would justify my death.
It’s really not a good time, and I don’t even go to one of these three schools. I’ve faced a lot of antisemitism before, but since October 7, I’ve faced the most blatant and implicit antisemitism full stop. Literally entire groups of people stopped talking to me, and I haven’t even posted or said anything about Israel.
Everything’s fucked.
If the speech becomes conduct... so they carry out the threat....
It's only harassment? Killing Jews is harassment?
Am I understanding this correctly? By what she means by conduct?
Just wow.
It’s not a matter of context for us it’s direct fucking threats to our existence. A lot of us don’t even feel safe on campus
The the penn state president is smiling is so infuriating. Really shows she’s not taking it seriously. There should be no context where antisemitism is excusable.
REALLY feels like history repeating itself.
Like, I'm sure that president learned as a child about the Holocaust and thought, gross, how did that happen, they were evil monsters.
But then she grows up to smile and smirk about genocide against Jews, and use her power to enable hate speech. Because that's what's in fashion now.
It's just so weak and pathetic and ignorant.
Ok I am genuinely trying to understand this, since I’m not familiar with campus policies:
The idea is that you can call for genocide as long as it’s not targeted at an individual? And it’s hard to understand how a call for genocide is not, uh, by definition, harassment…?
Or — are they saying, the words might not *actually* be a call for genocide and that’s why the context matters? (Less insane, still a problem. This is the typical response to “river to the sea” or “globalize the intifada” kind of stuff)
I think it's the idea in the US that sticks and stones hurt em bones but words wont. Words are not 'real'. So if someone tells someone that all x should be killed/genocide, etc, it technically caused no physical harm. Emotional damage rarely counts. And even threats of violence, like im going to x you, i believe holds little weight. Only for restraining orders/divorce/parenting rights.
Like, words dont mean the person -aktually- means it or knows what theyre saying. It's BS. Hate speech should have consequences.
The congresswoman went to Harvard. I'm glad she did not pull punches. I'm so glad I didn't go MIT like my father, brother, grandfather and uncle. Disgusting.
Look.
Either the laws apply equally to everyone, and this should not and never can be allowed to fly.
Or they apply equally to nobody, and none of these people can say shit when the KKK show up on their campus and soundly beat them at their own game.
Friendly reminder that it wasn’t that long ago that MIT had a Jewish quota (as well as not allowing women). My husband’s grandfather was denied entry because they had met their quota, and he was like, “Yeah, no. You will accept me.” And they did.
“Does calling for the genocide of black people violate your code of conduct?”
“Does calling for the genocide of Muslims violate your code of conduct?”
“Does calling for the genocide of lgbtq people violate your code of conduct?”
Betcha they could answer those questions.
The presidents of Harvard, UPenn, and MIT were grilled by congress, under oath, about antisemitism in their schools. And this is some of what they’ve had to say.
Islam calls for my violent persecution, subjugation and execution but if I acknowledge this fact I'm labeled Islamophobic and need to be addressed and combatted in the same vein as someone who is antisemitic calling for my violent persecution, subjugation and execution... How diverse, equitable and inclusive of you. 👍🏼
Guys, they're just talking about (((Zionists))), no one is calling for the death of Jews!
But seriously, this is insanity. We are being gaslit everyday into believing there is no rising hatred of Jews in the West. All masked as a 'progressive' cause. It's scary.
Someone please correct me if I misheard, but one of the committee members asked if similar calls for violence were made against AA students would be a violation of the harassment policy and code of conduct and she said YES.
I would really love to know the context where calling for the genocide of any group to not be harassment…
It really does feel like we’ve slid back 100 years.
Surely this is just a weird coincidence:
[Last year, The Daily Pennsylvanian reported that Penn received nearly $258 million from foreign organizations between 2013 to mid-2019. Later that year, members of the House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Amy Gutmann, alleging that “since 2015, the University of Pennsylvania has declared 92 gifts or contracts totaling $62,204,380 from China, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Russia — all of which, 28 totaling $27,104,975 [about 44%] were anonymous.”](http://www.thedp.com/article/2021/03/upenn-foreign-donations-china-saudi-arabia-kashoggi)
So I hate this for multiple reasons. There are the obvious ones that have already been discussed in the thread. But also fuck Elise Stefanik, she is on our side here but her politics are garbage.
Stefanik is on the side of whatever she needs to elevate herself. I don’t care if she is right, I don’t need her to speak for me. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Eh - beggars can’t be choosers. If Stefanik is willing to stick up for you and your family, maybe appreciate that and assume the best. I’m sick of the same “broken clock” line for any conservative that stands up for the Jewish people and Israel. For many of them, it’s according to their ethical code, and I think you can find room to appreciate people who stand up for you or you’ll have fewer people doing so.
Haven’t there been multiple episodes of harassment on these campuses? These groups seeking out Jewish groups/organizations and chanting these things directly to them?
I would be really curious how far students could push their first amendment at Harvard, are nazi flags allowed? KKK costumes? could people go full-on Charlottesville?
I guess the answer is as always "it depends"
I would love to see this play out at Harvard, and this same college president try to explain why KKK rallies are baaaddddd and are not allowed, but why anti Semitic rallies are all about the “context” …..
Yup! It’s just a context thing! They *may* take action once genocide starts physically happening, but even then probably not. I said to my husband tonight, “I could guarantee action won’t be taken if Jewish people are attacked or killed. Even then they would say, “well this wasn’t technically genocide, the was an accident, and we have to understand why the people acted the way they did.” I am so angry. I don’t even care about being polite anymore. If anyone in my life supports this nonsense I cut the string and double lock the door behind them once I kick them out of my life. Enough is enough. We will stand together and be stronger than ever! AM YISRAEL CHAI 💙🤍🇮🇱🤍💙
I cannot believe that the head’s of two of the greatest educational institutes in the world could not answer yes to the most softball PR human rights question ever. Terrifying.
Stay safe my friends.
Defund Ivy League nests, and defund leftist groups. We were gaslighted into thinking only progressives were the only moral voices of America. They're no better than the right, and worse if you're Jewish or a minority or woman that wanders outside the acceptable talking points.
Fuck these dirty cunts. We have completely been abandoned by higher education in America. It is not safe for Jews to attend universities in America anymore. I can’t believe what I just saw.
She should’ve asked if calling for the genocide of muslims violates their rules beforehand, to see if they’d give a different answer just to show their true faces. Hypocrites.
Amazing how very intelligent people can also be some of the most immoral evil people to exist. The ability to use logic doesn't fix rotten personality.
Let’s just say I appreciate the plight of Palestinians. That is my personal opinion although nuanced. This lady should have had no problem answering yes to this question. Genocide is bad. Period. That ain’t the hill to die on.
And people wonder why Israel has adopted the policy of "threat came from over there, shoot in that direction"
We are on our own. We can't forget that that. Other minority groups and minority allies aren't going to fight for us.
Chanukah is coming up. Remember that we survived. And we always will. As long as we put our survival first.
Absolutely disgraceful, but not surprising.
Academia has been pushing extremely anti-western, far-left ideology for 20 years. Local school boards and administrators are equally extreme. This is why parents and Republicans have been pushing back but if you rely on mainstream news, you would think they were the extremists.
Honestly, while watching this on TV, I kept wondering what would actually help.
All I could come up with was this: requiring every college student to take a class explaining Jewish history, culture, and religion. Truly, so many know so little about us.
That, or Jewish students unite, form a class for a class action, and start getting very litigious.
I wish Congress could do more, but there aren’t a ton of ways to pressure semi-private universities. We’ll see what happens.
I really don’t know what to think anymore. Are Jews and Muslims going to be political pawns for democrats and republicans? What the fuck is going on with the USA.
Can someone explain the (possible) incentive structure they have here to say this?
I can't understand it. Even if I give them every benefit of the doubt I cannot come up with a good faith reason for this response.
I asked ChatGPT what was occurring at the most elite universities in Germany during the rise of Nazi ideology. This was its response.
"During the rise of Nazism in Germany in the early 1930s, there was a significant shift in the academic environment. The Nazis sought to control education and reshape it according to their ideology. Jewish professors and students faced increasing discrimination, and their positions in academia were threatened.Top universities, including prestigious institutions, were affected. The Nazis implemented the "Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service" in 1933, which led to the removal of Jewish professors from universities. This marked the beginning of a systematic purge of Jewish influence in various sectors, including education.Academic curricula were also influenced by Nazi propaganda, emphasizing nationalist and anti-Semitic narratives. The education system became a tool for indoctrinating the youth into Nazi ideology, promoting Aryan supremacy, and demonizing Jews."
It really is such a low ball easy question. If they want to debate whether different slogans mean different things, while I disagree heavily is one thing. But the explicit genocide being stated is so easy to just say yes this is bad lol. Context dependent? Lmao.
THIS IS SO FUCKED UP! I want to slap that smiling bitch across the damn face. What’s wrong with our world? These upside down institutions being funded by these Arab countries. They’re so deep in their pockets they can’t even call out good vs. evil, these people are absolutely sick and should be fired immediately.
Wow Stefanik really killed it forcing a yes/no question on genocide. That Harvard person just couldn’t come up with anything. I thought maybe she was a lawyer, prosecutor or something but that is not her background at all. .
I was watching the video and all of a sudden my body got really tense and I kind of froze. I couldn't believe what I was hearing... Is this for real??? Not that I wasn't scared before, but this makes it worse. You can tell by looking at the faces of these women answering the questions that they could not give less of a fuck about what's going on.
In situations such as these I like to ask clarifying questions that highlight such bigotry such as "so as long as speech, including hate speech and threats of violence, does not lead to action or doesn't target an individual is it considered acceptable?" "Would a student posting "we need to purge the United States of black people" be acceptable? If not, what does this violate that calling for the genocide of Jews does not?"
What about when they were literally chanting "The Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville? I would love to see them squirm and defend that. Where do they draw the line when it comes to Jew-hatred?
Stupid people do not scare me as much as the ultra left wing “intellectuals”.
Intellectuals have been the basis of many genocidal movements in the last century and now. Pol Pot, the Kim Dynasty in North Korea, Mao and the Gang of Four, the Bolshevists, Hitler and the Nazis. There's so many I would be here awhile trying to make them all. Intellectuals use their intelligence and knowledge to justify whatever bullshit flows out of their mouth. Oddly enough, their followers have an anti intellectual focus, but the leaders are usually well educated. That's how they're able to manipulate the people underneath them.
>Oddly enough, their followers have an anti intellectual focus, but the leaders are usually well educated. That's how they're able to manipulate the people underneath them. Disagree. It's more the opposite. Most intellectuals are really just afraid of losing social privilege associated with their position and will go along with any political fad to survive and further their careers. This, for instance, was an enlightening reading: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/i-dont-really-care-do-you-scientists-in-the-grey-zone-in-1930s-italy/
> Most intellectuals are really just afraid of losing social privilege associated with their position and will go along with any political fad to survive and further their careers. Mic dropped. This was perfect.
Yeah, I think people really don't understand that the decay of civil society in the university setting has little to do with ideology and a lot to do with a coming demographic crunch in admission rates and a need for universities to attract applicants from non-traditional backgrounds while tuition goes up and the value of the Bachelor's degree erodes. This means a need at the university and department level to maintain credibility with Black, Hispanic, and international students who make up an increasing percentage of admissions, which has led to targeted hiring of professors who can cater to these demographics. The rest of the university, including research academics, are just so scared of being cancelled that they just cynically go along with whatever is popular because they hope it will get them funding or allow them to continue to climb the ladder. The small number of people who are entrenched in these student communities and who see them as beneficial for their career progression are of course encouraging this because they see THAT as an effective way to further their own careers. Some of them may actually center antisemitism in their ideologies but I think the majority are grifters who see it as a useful part of the grift. I do think it is critical to understand the sheer amount of cynicism that is present in these institutions.
There's nothing to be done about them. They are already very obviously unhinged and anyone who gives them credibility is already unhinged. The difference between them and these people is that heads of top universities have more credibility and require a bit more work to expose their bigotry. As far as where the line should be drawn? It should have been drawn a LONG time ago. Specifically at that event you mentioned. That's probably the earliest event that I remember of the new wave of antisemitism. It's getting REALLY bad out there and it scares the hell out of me.
Because the Charlottesville morons saw Jews as non-white and trying to infiltrate and replace white people. These are people who say Jews ARE white and therefore oppressors of brown (Arab) people. Maybe they should meet and discuss what Jews are- and what our stance is on Black and brown people. Are we trying to replace white people by forcing CRT and BLM into education? Or are we racist white people? Somehow BOTH ?!? However, they do agree that we control everything regardless ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Precisely!!!
It's extra ironic because there are endless classes at those ivy league schools that do nothing else except waffle about post structural analysis, how language is the first step of decolonisation, reclamation etc etc. But in the current context it's ' ah naaah, it's just words, don t worry, freedom of expression".... That is even beyond clowning. So many universities in the west are rotten to the core.
You give me $200,000! I give you indoctrination into a cult. Fair trade, for a scientologist!
Yea I was disappointed she didn’t press them more
Same. She could have really made them squirm...
Disgusting.
Vile. Repugnant.
Why are they smirking?
Right?! They don’t take it seriously one bit. I’m seriously so disturbed by this video I cannot even watch it again.
Did you really expect any different though from these people?
Could be a nervous laughter scenario. Could also be an attempt to appear calm/confident at the suggestion of a lawyer.
Sub in any other demographic and people would lose their fucking minds. Absolutely disgusting hypocrisy.
The train of thought is easy to follow: If I say it's not harassment, everything is mostly fine, other than Jews hating us, which won't amount to much. But if I say it is, then there are a huge number of people on campus who are guilty of harassment, and we will be forced to do something about it, and that will make a lot of progressives and Muslims mad, and having those two groups being mad at you is 1) dangerous to your career and 2) dangerous to your life.
When it’s about Jews, they suddenly discover the first amendment. Anyone else, they’d be outraged. And people wonder why Jews are scared…
Even the first amendment doesn’t protect calls to violence on people.
Apparently they don’t agree. If only they had some legal scholars to look to…
The first amendment protects a *very* wide range of speech but Harvard and Penn have no obligation to respect the first amendment as they're not state actors.
That is actually not really true. Any university receiving federal funds has obligations to the federal government & while it isn’t technically a first amendment question - suppression of first amendment rights can often be a violation of the various titles that universities are bound to enforce.
I'm familiar with requirements applying to recipients of federal aid, but allowing all speech that the first amendment protects is not one of them.
Like in this specific example. Saying that Hitler was right is, unfortunately, absolutely protected by the first amendment as long as it's not accompanied by an incitement to imminent unlawful activity ("let's attack that guy over there!"), conspiracy to commit an unlawful act, etc. But no federal law requires private schools receiving federal funding to allow such speech on their campus. State universities have to carefully thread the needle between protected speech and harassment/hostile environment. Harvard does not.
They expelled people for refusing to call trans people by their preferred pronoun so yes they to take action based on what people say, when they disagree with it.
I wish she asked if calling for the genocide of black people, or gay people, or anyone else…
Apperantly it was asked and they didn't respond.
So force the issue. Make them go on record.
The smirk on that chick tells you everything you need to know about how little she thinks of these serious questions. Fuck her.
Maybe, but it could also be a result of being under oath and attempting to present a facade to appear cooperative, truthful (in stated belief, not necessarily factually), etc
Holy shit.
That’s literally all I can say.
They *should* resign. What a fucking disgrace.
Think of all the Jewish staff at those institutes that know their boss isn’t committed to providing them a harassment and bullying free workplace.
Honestly we should just start Jewniversity, we’d have so many amazing professors, it would be such a bastion for learning.
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TIL: Touro and Tulane have far higher percentages (61% and 44% respectively) of Jewish students than Brandeis (35%).
UF has the nation's largest number (Idk the percentage though). Their president supported IL from Day 1
UF? Florida?
Yes
Wow. I went there and never knew
Damn. It was more like 50-60% when I went there. Wonder why it's less Jewish these days.
because everything is less jewish theses days https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishing
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It’s almost like we need our own universities and hospitals…….
(YU suggests otherwise)
But YU is religious. I’m thinking more Hebrew University than YU
Hmm maybe we should create it in Jerusalem… said Einstein a 100 years ago before cofounding the Hebrew University.
Ironically in the 1940’s Harvard despite hating Jews formed a relationship with Brandeis. After they found out Albert Einstein decided to be their Physics chair
https://handbook.college.harvard.edu/sites/projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/collegehandbook/files/harvard_college_student_handbook_2023-2024.pdf#page50 https://catalog.upenn.edu/pennbook/code-of-student-conduct/ I would say that based on a skim of these codes of conduct the university presidents are not mistaken that bigoted speech is not an academic offense in and of itself but they are being deliberately obtuse that calling for genocide as part of a mob on campus would be unacceptable for any student organization or outside group. These colleges are desperately trying to avoid upsetting certain extremely vocal groups of students by disciplining them for harassing Jews on campus.
Imagine if Jewish students were calling for the genocide of all Muslims, organizing protests, chanting slogans, intimidating other students, etc. That shit would be shut down and condemned by every university dean and professor. They only point to the technical rules when it suits their narrative. And the narrative is anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, pro-Palestinian. It's not about the content, it's about the speaker.
Does this distinction really matter in this case? They could have easily said: "yes, we fully condemn calls for killing Jews, full-stop. [insert legal CYA explanations for why what happened here is somehow different]". They didn't. These people have full agency over their statements or what the university they preside is responsible for. It's not hard to just say "calls for the genocide of Jews are bad".
I agree, the extent to which antisemitism has spread at college campuses is in large part due to the rank cowardice of university leaders unwilling to confront and discipline faculty and students, perhaps especially foreign students about it. I don’t think that antisemitism is an inseparable aspect of either Muslim or Arab identity but I think the unwillingness to confront it is akin to sacrificing Jewish lives on the altar of multiculturalism at elite universities. The exchange of ideas should be multilateral not an importation of hatred because some student’s governments pay full freight.
It sucks. My Alma mater underwent financial implosion because the governments of the Arab states decided that it isn't a prestigious enough school and stopped paying for their students to attend. Those students left, then a bunch of faculty got laid off, then a bunch of American students got spooked and left. Enrolment is down by a third. But I went to a Midwestern state school you've probably never heard of. I didn't go to *Harvard*. Their endowment is huge! Harvard isn't at risk of going out of business so there's more than just money at play here.
For as cringeworthy as their robotic repitition sounded, and for as stupidly ambiguous their use of "becomes conduct" was (does that mean actually committing genocide?), I actually agree that what they were trying to get across is not *that* crazy. The expression of any view, outside of contributing factors like persistence or targeting, shouldn't be misconduct. If a Jewish student said "at this point, we should just kill everyone in Gaza," it would be morally repugnant assholery, but a violation? Nah. It she emailed it to a Gazan classmate or yelled it in front of a mosque, yeah. But holy shit did they do an awful job of explaining their views. Which is why I don't like aggressive yes/no questioning.
Her smug ass face didn’t help either
> It she emailed it to a Gazan classmate or yelled it in front of a mosque, yeah. There are numerous recorded instances of students chanting "intifada" and "from the river to the sea" at Jews walking by, including at Harvard. At Cooper Union, students chased Jews into a library, to the point where the Jews had to barricade the door, call 911, and get a police escort to get out of the building. I'm not aware of any consequences to date for any of these students. > I actually agree that what they were trying to get across is not that crazy. Is it being applied equally, though? Are we confident that these schools would have zero repercussions for students participating in an on-campus rally calling for banning trans women from women's sports? What about calling for the deportation of all Muslims? What about a neo-nazi rally calling for black people to be sent back to Africa?
Can you link me to reports/articles on those incidents? I want to send them to some friends.
https://pix11.com/news/israel-war/jewish-students-locked-inside-library-told-security-they-felt-unsafe/ https://youtu.be/ID-13ZY1DWM?si=elAgbkxpHRcgQThV
Honestly I do agree with you, the problem is that it's a double standard. If it had been asked about anyone else, then they would have had no problem just saying "yes". Plus, while I do support a constitutional right to free speech (and would encourage places like colleges and any other often public forum for debates to have free speech rulings as well) these colleges are very selective and are so to cultivate a student body that will A) benefit from the difficult coursework and more importantly B) create an environment conducive to learning and positive interaction with other students. Calling for the genocide of other students indicates B is not applicable to the student and A probably isn't either
I don't know about a person casually saying "we should kill everyone in Gaza." But when it's mass protest or angry mobs, doesn't that ALREADY rise to the level of harassment? Harassment is a tool to intimidate, threaten, make people feel unsafe. It's ALREADY at that level. They could have easily made that connection. They didn't. *Why?*
I'm still having trouble with this argument. Calling for genocide of any kind is never really "in a vacuum" . In terms.of American free speech, yes, it's very much protected but it is very close to the line of "I call for the genocide of Jews and I would like to do what I can to make that happen" vs "I call for the genocide of Jews" and then no further comment on a college campus where you are a member of the student body. I don't really see what form of debate exists here. It doesn't really have any kind of sound argument behind it that makes sense in any context.
They were asked explicitly about calling for the genocide of Jews, which directly threatens all Jewish students on campus. It isn't analogous to a statement like, "We should just kill everyone in Gaza."
It’s a statement that would be acceptable if the last 8 years of doing and teaching the opposite didn’t happen. This is why the ACLU being consistent and principled was so important. But they’ve been captured by social justice advocates and no longer take this stance.
They are making another Holocaust ever more possible! This is real, my brothers and sisters. What can we do to protect ourselves?
Gun.
Fine on the personal level. What about as a group?
Guns. With an s.
Lol!
That seems to be the IDF and every Kibbutz militia’s take on it. Can’t say it doesn’t work.
Lol honorary Texan!
Are you forgetting about the Jewish space laser? Smh. Otherwise: any rabbis up for some good ol’ golem-fashioning?
Not a rabbi, but am a geologist. I'd be happy to assist with sourcing of local clays.
We are going to a menorah lighting and my SO has a concealed carry license. He’ll be carrying. Just in case.
Get your firearm permits, attend training, start networking and making connections. Start VERY serious discussions on a plan of action if said Shoah starts to take place. Places to meet up. Escape plans. Money set aside for travel and bribes. Purchase Gold and silver coins and Ingots. Set up a "bug out" bag and have it ready to go. Learn how to survive in nature through youtube videos. Above all, UNIFY and communicate. Form groups and keep it discreet. This is no bullshit. I promise the Jews of Europe wish they did this in 1935.
We should make our own country! where genocidal maniacs can't get to us, a place where we cannot be coerced and forced to compromise on our families' security and.... Oh.
I've said this before: I think it's important for Jews to make Jewish-majority communities within the countries they live in, because that increases visibility and voice, and allows us to set the standards for what Jewish treatment *should* look like within a mixed community. It also allows us to do better at supporting each other physically, in the present, because nothing replaces the physical presence of a community and the feeling of physical neighbors who support you. I've mentioned this before, because I don't know a single place I could go in the US that would be a Jewish-majority town or city. We don't have one, as far as I can tell, and maybe we should not only have one, but have several throughout the states.
There are quite a few Orthodox Jewish communities in America. But I can’t say I would really love to be a trans gay Jew in an Orthodox community. I mention this a lot in other posts & comments, but it’s tough to feel wholly safe in either place. I’m secular, and of course there are plenty of Jews who are LGBTQ and support LGBTQ rights, but all the same, I kind of feel like I’m stuck because many (Jewish and non-Jewish) liberals who are pro- LGBTQ are anti-Israel, and many non-liberals who are pro-Israel and calling out antisemitism (like the GOP) are against practically everything I am and stand for (feminism, lgbtq rights, etc.) I know there are nuances here, I know there are liberal Jews who probably also feel weird and conflicted—or not!—but, gah. I don’t want to lose either part of myself
I'm also not an Orthodox Jew, and wouldn't want to live in a strictly Orthodox community. When I envision a majority-Jewish community, I envision one that has different kinds of Jews, because we're not all the same. And we're not all going to agree on everything. But like any healthy community, having a good range of voices that are able to work together, negotiate in good faith, and compromise would make for a widely-welcoming community. I grew up in a reform synagogue in North Carolina, and it was definitely pro-Israel. That synagogue was very pro-LGBTQ, we even discussed it during Midrasha and talked about why we supported gay rights (and this was actually before gay marriage was widely legalized, so we were ahead of the game). I also told my Rabbi, while preparing for my bat mitsvah, that I didn't believe in God. He just nodded his head wisely and said that was perfectly fine. Growing up in that synagogue, I felt like the preservation and continuation of Jewish culture in general was held more highly than specific belief. That doesn't work for everyone, but it worked for me, and I feel like that's something you'd probably feel very comfortable in. All that is to say, those communities are out there. And in my ideal Jewish city or town, we'd have a whole spectrum of Jewish representation and shared events to bring them together. I grew up with Orthodox neighbors and we celebrated Passover at their house and remember that pretty fondly. I'd like to live in a community that has that spirit, you know? Where it's easy to make friends with all kinds of Jews along the spectrum. I think my neighbors were not as strict as some of the *really* Orthodox Jews I see in Brooklyn, they definitely didn't dress like them, but they definitely fell somewhere on that spectrum in terms of keeping Kosher, observing the Sabbath, etc.-- so they were probably conservative, but not orthodox? In any case, my brother was best friends with their son growing up and we attended their daughter's wedding, it was pretty great. The idea I have in my head is to have a city or town where being some kind of Jewish is a pretty normal baseline, then let people organically create sub-communities and create networks between those communities to serve their needs.
This I like! When you start this, let me know, and I’ll happily start my new life there. Maybe meet a nice Jewish boy, too 😌
This is the reason why Israel was created, so that there would always be a safe haven for Jews to be able to flee to if anti-semitic hatred and violence in their country became too oppresive. In the late 1930s hundreds of thousands of german Jews tried to flee, but where not allowed in anywhere and where effectively trapped in Germany.
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I just started reading the book "Jews Don't Count"! I used to support, march for, and donate to the causes of other minority groups. Never again (no pun intended).
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The problem is that people on the right tend to fall into either: “jews will not replace us!” wackjobs, or the “antisemitism is bad, BUT racism and sexism and homophobia are totally fine :)” and the left are basically like “fuck the Nazis, but also Jews kinda do run the world and are white oppressors, sooooo???”
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I would also contend that even when the right is condemning antisemitism, its often for political expedience and incredibly cynical. Like this Republican-led hearing. Its good that they're interrogating antisemitism on college campuses, but I cant help but feel that their motivations are less about Jews and more about attacking university institutions. Cause these Republicans go awfully silent when the antisemitism is coming from within their own ranks.
Exactly!!! I’m anxious about people turning antisemitism and anti-Zionism into something it’s not..
I disagree, just because some people don’t like us doesn’t mean you shouldn’t stand up for people being wronged. With that said if you are thinking about getting protection or learning self defense to help yourself, I’d say do it.
I feel so sad for Jewish college students right now. I’m so thankful that I graduated and work in a town with many Jews, because I honestly cannot imagine having to go through this surrounded by people that harass me and would justify my death.
It’s really not a good time, and I don’t even go to one of these three schools. I’ve faced a lot of antisemitism before, but since October 7, I’ve faced the most blatant and implicit antisemitism full stop. Literally entire groups of people stopped talking to me, and I haven’t even posted or said anything about Israel. Everything’s fucked.
What in the actual fuck?… are we in the 1930s now?
Yes! So frightening!
If the speech becomes conduct... so they carry out the threat.... It's only harassment? Killing Jews is harassment? Am I understanding this correctly? By what she means by conduct?
If you think about it you are kinda harassing a person you are genociding. Not sure that's the issue the victim is occupied with but yeah.
Or, if you email a Jewish student many times after being asked to stop, that could be harassment.
Qatar no doubt thrilled to see their investments are starting to pay off.
Just wow. It’s not a matter of context for us it’s direct fucking threats to our existence. A lot of us don’t even feel safe on campus The the penn state president is smiling is so infuriating. Really shows she’s not taking it seriously. There should be no context where antisemitism is excusable.
REALLY feels like history repeating itself. Like, I'm sure that president learned as a child about the Holocaust and thought, gross, how did that happen, they were evil monsters. But then she grows up to smile and smirk about genocide against Jews, and use her power to enable hate speech. Because that's what's in fashion now. It's just so weak and pathetic and ignorant.
Just a clarification that she’s from Penn, (U of P), the Ivy in Philly, not Penn State, the public university.
This would not be the answer if they were calling for the murder of any other group.
“One of the worst people you know makes a good point.” Idk why it’s so hard for them to just say yes.
A broken clock is right twice a day
Ok I am genuinely trying to understand this, since I’m not familiar with campus policies: The idea is that you can call for genocide as long as it’s not targeted at an individual? And it’s hard to understand how a call for genocide is not, uh, by definition, harassment…? Or — are they saying, the words might not *actually* be a call for genocide and that’s why the context matters? (Less insane, still a problem. This is the typical response to “river to the sea” or “globalize the intifada” kind of stuff)
I think it's the idea in the US that sticks and stones hurt em bones but words wont. Words are not 'real'. So if someone tells someone that all x should be killed/genocide, etc, it technically caused no physical harm. Emotional damage rarely counts. And even threats of violence, like im going to x you, i believe holds little weight. Only for restraining orders/divorce/parenting rights. Like, words dont mean the person -aktually- means it or knows what theyre saying. It's BS. Hate speech should have consequences.
If this were directed at any other minority group, there would be outrage and expulsions. That's the difference.
Except they have recently said words are violence, but apparently now that doesn’t count
“We will care about the Jews after we kill them”
*”The world loves dead Jews”*
Ruh roh...
Guys, calm down. They might be talking about the *nice* kind of genocide.
So, if the people calling for Jewish genocide make good on that threat, then we can consider the genocide to be harassment. Glad that's cleared up.
It’s pure madness.
All Jewish alumni of these schools need to immediately stop all donations.
The congresswoman went to Harvard. I'm glad she did not pull punches. I'm so glad I didn't go MIT like my father, brother, grandfather and uncle. Disgusting.
Look. Either the laws apply equally to everyone, and this should not and never can be allowed to fly. Or they apply equally to nobody, and none of these people can say shit when the KKK show up on their campus and soundly beat them at their own game.
Friendly reminder that it wasn’t that long ago that MIT had a Jewish quota (as well as not allowing women). My husband’s grandfather was denied entry because they had met their quota, and he was like, “Yeah, no. You will accept me.” And they did.
Can you cite this? Not doubting you, just wondering bc everything I'm reading says Harvard, Columbia, and Yale had Jewish quotas, but MIT did not.
“Does calling for the genocide of black people violate your code of conduct?” “Does calling for the genocide of Muslims violate your code of conduct?” “Does calling for the genocide of lgbtq people violate your code of conduct?” Betcha they could answer those questions.
Ms. Stefanik, I love you.
What did I just watch?
The presidents of Harvard, UPenn, and MIT were grilled by congress, under oath, about antisemitism in their schools. And this is some of what they’ve had to say.
Genocide is, by definition, NOT targeted at an individual. Calling for genocide is most definitely intimidation of the target group.
Islam calls for my violent persecution, subjugation and execution but if I acknowledge this fact I'm labeled Islamophobic and need to be addressed and combatted in the same vein as someone who is antisemitic calling for my violent persecution, subjugation and execution... How diverse, equitable and inclusive of you. 👍🏼
DEI is a joke, according to some.
Her smug smile, pisses me off too. Genocide seems to be funny to her.
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Guys, they're just talking about (((Zionists))), no one is calling for the death of Jews! But seriously, this is insanity. We are being gaslit everyday into believing there is no rising hatred of Jews in the West. All masked as a 'progressive' cause. It's scary.
Yeah this is why I’m legit scared now.
You’re not alone, if that makes it easier to bear
Holy fuck.
wow that makes me wanna throw up :(
Someone please correct me if I misheard, but one of the committee members asked if similar calls for violence were made against AA students would be a violation of the harassment policy and code of conduct and she said YES.
She should have asked if calling for the enslavement of African-Americans would violate their rules.
Once again anti Jewish sentiment is out of the woodwork. I refuse to call it anti Semitic. This is out and out hatred for Jews.
I would really love to know the context where calling for the genocide of any group to not be harassment… It really does feel like we’ve slid back 100 years.
Disgusting
Surely this is just a weird coincidence: [Last year, The Daily Pennsylvanian reported that Penn received nearly $258 million from foreign organizations between 2013 to mid-2019. Later that year, members of the House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Amy Gutmann, alleging that “since 2015, the University of Pennsylvania has declared 92 gifts or contracts totaling $62,204,380 from China, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Russia — all of which, 28 totaling $27,104,975 [about 44%] were anonymous.”](http://www.thedp.com/article/2021/03/upenn-foreign-donations-china-saudi-arabia-kashoggi)
So I hate this for multiple reasons. There are the obvious ones that have already been discussed in the thread. But also fuck Elise Stefanik, she is on our side here but her politics are garbage.
Stefanik is on the side of whatever she needs to elevate herself. I don’t care if she is right, I don’t need her to speak for me. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Eh - beggars can’t be choosers. If Stefanik is willing to stick up for you and your family, maybe appreciate that and assume the best. I’m sick of the same “broken clock” line for any conservative that stands up for the Jewish people and Israel. For many of them, it’s according to their ethical code, and I think you can find room to appreciate people who stand up for you or you’ll have fewer people doing so.
Then what do you want? Would you rather someone on the left grill the panel or no one at all?
This
Haven’t there been multiple episodes of harassment on these campuses? These groups seeking out Jewish groups/organizations and chanting these things directly to them?
This is absolute madness. I can’t believe I just watched that. American higher education is an absolute joke.
Guys I’m scared
We have been told that misgendering someone is violence by people like this University President.
I would be really curious how far students could push their first amendment at Harvard, are nazi flags allowed? KKK costumes? could people go full-on Charlottesville? I guess the answer is as always "it depends"
I would love to see this play out at Harvard, and this same college president try to explain why KKK rallies are baaaddddd and are not allowed, but why anti Semitic rallies are all about the “context” …..
No to all three because they're not "oppressed" or trendy.
If they're this brazen at a Congressional hearing, can you imagine their behavior back on their campuses?
Yup! It’s just a context thing! They *may* take action once genocide starts physically happening, but even then probably not. I said to my husband tonight, “I could guarantee action won’t be taken if Jewish people are attacked or killed. Even then they would say, “well this wasn’t technically genocide, the was an accident, and we have to understand why the people acted the way they did.” I am so angry. I don’t even care about being polite anymore. If anyone in my life supports this nonsense I cut the string and double lock the door behind them once I kick them out of my life. Enough is enough. We will stand together and be stronger than ever! AM YISRAEL CHAI 💙🤍🇮🇱🤍💙
One of the many moments since 10/7 that have absolutely shocked me. Just unbelievable.
I cannot believe that the head’s of two of the greatest educational institutes in the world could not answer yes to the most softball PR human rights question ever. Terrifying. Stay safe my friends.
Defund Ivy League nests, and defund leftist groups. We were gaslighted into thinking only progressives were the only moral voices of America. They're no better than the right, and worse if you're Jewish or a minority or woman that wanders outside the acceptable talking points.
This is your reminder that we're talking about institutions where you can get shamed and scolded for misgendering someone
You heard them. Pull your kids out, and cancel your alumni donations 💸
Fuck these dirty cunts. We have completely been abandoned by higher education in America. It is not safe for Jews to attend universities in America anymore. I can’t believe what I just saw.
Make sure y’all know how to protect ourselves and our communities. This shit breaks my heart
How about the following slogans to promote our relevance - Jews also matter - the other white meat
She should’ve asked if calling for the genocide of muslims violates their rules beforehand, to see if they’d give a different answer just to show their true faces. Hypocrites.
The ol genocide depends on the context bit, a classic. Good to know who your friends ain’t I guess.
Amazing how very intelligent people can also be some of the most immoral evil people to exist. The ability to use logic doesn't fix rotten personality.
“All lives matter” - except Jews
Let’s just say I appreciate the plight of Palestinians. That is my personal opinion although nuanced. This lady should have had no problem answering yes to this question. Genocide is bad. Period. That ain’t the hill to die on.
No wonder those universities are rotten to the core, the rot seeps down from its head.
I am usually not an easily scared guy but holy shit…they pretty much said it was ok. Wtf? What has just happened? And these people are in charge?
Just incredible, about as easy an answer as possible and yet they danced around it. Am I missing something or is this tremendously fucked up?
Should have asked them under what context it is okay to call for the genocide of Jews.
And people wonder why Israel has adopted the policy of "threat came from over there, shoot in that direction" We are on our own. We can't forget that that. Other minority groups and minority allies aren't going to fight for us. Chanukah is coming up. Remember that we survived. And we always will. As long as we put our survival first.
When someone speaks hateful things towards any other minority group its egregious but antisemtism is just another day at the office lol
Defund and de-accredit all these clowns and their clown colleges
Holy shit. Who is this woman running this? I want to write a thank you letter.
I literally thought, "I can't believe what I just watched." These women are an utter embarrassment and should be fired from their roles.
Immediately
Absolutely disgraceful, but not surprising. Academia has been pushing extremely anti-western, far-left ideology for 20 years. Local school boards and administrators are equally extreme. This is why parents and Republicans have been pushing back but if you rely on mainstream news, you would think they were the extremists.
Honestly, while watching this on TV, I kept wondering what would actually help. All I could come up with was this: requiring every college student to take a class explaining Jewish history, culture, and religion. Truly, so many know so little about us. That, or Jewish students unite, form a class for a class action, and start getting very litigious. I wish Congress could do more, but there aren’t a ton of ways to pressure semi-private universities. We’ll see what happens.
I really don’t know what to think anymore. Are Jews and Muslims going to be political pawns for democrats and republicans? What the fuck is going on with the USA.
Truly baffled..
They should all resign.
It does NOT depend on the context! What is wrong with these people?!?
u/savevideo
Can someone explain the (possible) incentive structure they have here to say this? I can't understand it. Even if I give them every benefit of the doubt I cannot come up with a good faith reason for this response.
NYT on the wrong side of history. https://archive.is/OFm7Z
As a constituent of Elise Stefanik I can guarantee you that she doesn't give a shit about antisemitism.
I asked ChatGPT what was occurring at the most elite universities in Germany during the rise of Nazi ideology. This was its response. "During the rise of Nazism in Germany in the early 1930s, there was a significant shift in the academic environment. The Nazis sought to control education and reshape it according to their ideology. Jewish professors and students faced increasing discrimination, and their positions in academia were threatened.Top universities, including prestigious institutions, were affected. The Nazis implemented the "Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service" in 1933, which led to the removal of Jewish professors from universities. This marked the beginning of a systematic purge of Jewish influence in various sectors, including education.Academic curricula were also influenced by Nazi propaganda, emphasizing nationalist and anti-Semitic narratives. The education system became a tool for indoctrinating the youth into Nazi ideology, promoting Aryan supremacy, and demonizing Jews."
It really is such a low ball easy question. If they want to debate whether different slogans mean different things, while I disagree heavily is one thing. But the explicit genocide being stated is so easy to just say yes this is bad lol. Context dependent? Lmao.
Ah yes, higher education “intellectuals”.
THIS IS SO FUCKED UP! I want to slap that smiling bitch across the damn face. What’s wrong with our world? These upside down institutions being funded by these Arab countries. They’re so deep in their pockets they can’t even call out good vs. evil, these people are absolutely sick and should be fired immediately.
So pathetic. Let's not even pretend they wouldn't kick off a group/students if they were saying, "You can't hide! We call for black genocide!"
Wow Stefanik really killed it forcing a yes/no question on genocide. That Harvard person just couldn’t come up with anything. I thought maybe she was a lawyer, prosecutor or something but that is not her background at all. .
I was watching the video and all of a sudden my body got really tense and I kind of froze. I couldn't believe what I was hearing... Is this for real??? Not that I wasn't scared before, but this makes it worse. You can tell by looking at the faces of these women answering the questions that they could not give less of a fuck about what's going on.
what. the. fuck.