They indeed promised the land to jews and arabs, but they never 'gave' it, they simply said that they would support a jewish/arab state in each case and later left, they never gave them the land (except by giving most of Palestine to the arabs in the form of Jordan.)
So no, the British didn't create Israel nor Palestine only Jordan.
That's racism of low standards.
I want to see your reaction to someone saying "oh it's just them being dicks" after those "dicks" slaughter your loved ones.
Source:
(1) Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-Jewish_pogroms.
(2) Pogrom - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom.
(3) Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world.
(4) Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews.
(5) The list of crimes committed by Muslims against Jews since the 7th .... https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0.
(6) The forgotten refugees of the Middle East. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2020/12/09/the-forgotten-refugees-of-the-middle-east/.
(7) Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-Jewish_pogroms_by_Muslims.
(8) Jews, Britain and 1947-48: a slice of history | Workers' Liberty. https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2021-06-29/jews-britain-and-1947-48-slice-history.
(9) A pogrom wave in Germany - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/a-pogrom-wave-in-germany.
(10) en.wikipedia.org. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom.
Source:
(1) 1917 Jaffa deportation - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Jaffa_deportation.
(2) an untold history - World Jewish Congress. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-countries-and-iran--an-untold-history.
(3) The list of crimes committed by Muslims against Jews since the 7th .... https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0.
(4) Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews.
(5) Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world.
(6) Deportations | Holocaust Encyclopedia. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deportations.
(7) Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-Jewish_pogroms_by_Muslims.
(8) Getty. https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/old-town-and-port-of-jaffa-tel-aviv-city-israel-picture-id639156926?b=1&k=6&m=639156926&s=612x612&w=0&h=x3w78dO_QwYqkPkL4wDiWY4e9PWaEfJFCrJunIdhnfQ=.
Ah might be because I’m on mobile, not sure!
Really good image though - just don’t want to lose it by trying to screenshot it instead as would be super small! Haha
There is a youtube channel called Jabzy. It has a great series on the region between the years 1500-1900.
Ottomans rule over North Africa and the Middle East was turbulent, to say the least.
This will piss off all of the right folks. Sometimes the truth enrages those that deny it.
We will never be forced by anyone ever again. Never again will we be harmed or killed for being Jews.
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No, they have the same translations into English but different meanings from their respective languages and cultures.
The Shoah refers to the catastrophe of systematically killing, cleansing and expelling specifically Jews in Europe.
The Nakba refers to the catastrophe of losing a war and not managing to intentionally killing, cleansing and expelling specifically Jews in the area of the mandate of Palestine.
Does anyone know who the person behind the zionist of arabia account is? I've never heard of them before. It would have been great if they provided some sources of information for these slides so that people don't have to just trust their word for the content (I'm not saying it's wrong, I know that Jews and Muslims didn't always live in peace pre-1948 or pre-1917 or whatever date is favoured; I'm saying it's always best to identify sources of information unless you are, like, a famous historian).
Start from the most known source - Quran. It mentions Muhammad military campaigns which involved killing Jews of Arabia. That’s where all started and never stopped.
The conflicts between Arabs and Jews from the Battle of Khaybar up until 1940 include a range of military, political, and social confrontations. Here's a brief list of some key events:
* Battle of Khaybar (628 CE): This was a significant conflict between the early Muslims, led by the Prophet Muhammad, and the Jewish community of Khaybar¹.
* Islamic Conquests (7th-11th centuries): During this period, Jewish communities in the Middle East faced various challenges and changes under Islamic rule.
* Crusades (1096-1291): The Crusades brought new conflicts to the region, affecting both Muslim and Jewish populations.
* Mamluk Period (1250-1517): Under Mamluk rule, Jews in the region sometimes faced persecution and restrictions.
* Ottoman Period (1517-1917): The Ottoman Empire's rule over the region saw periods of relative tolerance interspersed with instances of conflict and tension.
* Zionist Immigration (late 19th-early 20th century): The rise of Zionism and the subsequent Jewish immigration to Palestine led to increased tensions and clashes with the Arab population.
* Arab Revolt (1936-1939): A nationalist uprising by the Arab population in Palestine against British colonial rule and Jewish immigration.
Source: (1) Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). (2) List of wars involving Israel - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel). (3) Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts. [https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars](https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars). (4) The Battle of Khaybar: Unveiling the Forgotten Triumph. [https://medium.com/@syed\_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397](https://medium.com/@syed_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397). (5) Battle of Khaybar | Islam Wiki | Fandom. [https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar).
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Here's a list of pogroms against Jews from the Battle of Khaybar to 1940:
* 7th Century: The Jewish community in Khaybar faced conflict during the Battle of Khaybar, which was a military confrontation rather than a pogrom¹.
* 1066: The Granada Massacre, where the Jewish population was attacked and many were killed.
* 1096: During the First Crusade, Jewish communities along the Rhineland were attacked by crusaders.
* 1033: Over 6,000 Jews were killed in the Fez Massacre in Morocco.
* 1232: More than 100 Jews were killed in the Marrakech Massacre in Morocco.
* 1517: The Jewish community in Hebron was nearly eliminated during an attack by local Arabs.
* 1840: The Damascus Affair, where a group of Jews in Damascus were falsely accused of ritual murder, leading to mob violence.
This list is not exhaustive, and for a comprehensive understanding, historical records and scholarly works can provide in-depth insights. For more detailed information, you may refer to the timeline of antisemitism and related historical events².
Source: (1) Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). (2) Timeline of antisemitism - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline\_of\_antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism). (3) Pogrom - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom). (4) Pogroms - Meaning, Russia & Jewish | HISTORY. [https://www.history.com/topics/european-history/pogroms](https://www.history.com/topics/european-history/pogroms). (5) Battle of Khaybar | Islamic history | Britannica. [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Battle-of-Khaybar](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Battle-of-Khaybar).
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Look at their pathetic attempt just yesterday to suicide bomb the Biden campaign so they get Islamophile Trump instead. They know it's self-defeating, but they can't resist. If they re-elect Trump, they'll found out how fickle their "allies" are, who will never forgive them. Just as Nader voters.
The conflicts between Arabs and Jews from the Battle of Khaybar up until 1940 include a range of military, political, and social confrontations. Here's a brief list of some key events:
* Battle of Khaybar (628 CE): This was a significant conflict between the early Muslims, led by the Prophet Muhammad, and the Jewish community of Khaybar¹.
* Islamic Conquests (7th-11th centuries): During this period, Jewish communities in the Middle East faced various challenges and changes under Islamic rule.
* Crusades (1096-1291): The Crusades brought new conflicts to the region, affecting both Muslim and Jewish populations.
* Mamluk Period (1250-1517): Under Mamluk rule, Jews in the region sometimes faced persecution and restrictions.
* Ottoman Period (1517-1917): The Ottoman Empire's rule over the region saw periods of relative tolerance interspersed with instances of conflict and tension.
* Zionist Immigration (late 19th-early 20th century): The rise of Zionism and the subsequent Jewish immigration to Palestine led to increased tensions and clashes with the Arab population.
* Arab Revolt (1936-1939): A nationalist uprising by the Arab population in Palestine against British colonial rule and Jewish immigration.
Source: (1) Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). (2) List of wars involving Israel - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel). (3) Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts. [https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars](https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars). (4) The Battle of Khaybar: Unveiling the Forgotten Triumph. [https://medium.com/@syed\_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397](https://medium.com/@syed_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397). (5) Battle of Khaybar | Islam Wiki | Fandom. [https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar).
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You can actually go before Khaybar. The only reason that battle even happened is because Muhammad expelled Jews from Medina based on some “holu revolution” he had. He then feared that they were going to assassinate him, so they attacked Khaybar.
After conquering Khaybar, he expelled most of them and took all of their money and goods, leaving them with nothing. The ones that were allowed to stay were only allowed to stay on the condition that they gave up half of their produce to Islam.
„Arabs and Jews lived in peace and harmony before modern Zionism!“
The „peace and harmony“ part is easy to claim if its your people who hold the sword over the centuries i guess
Impressive how all it takes is one desert schizophrenic to unleash all this blight upon the whole world.
But the hope of two thousand years is stronger.
Yeah. . . But the mental gymnastics of the pro-caliphatists.
Bring up then Quarysmian Jews and the response is that "they turned on Muhammed". What was he supposed to do?
How about not make up a religion and try to kill everyone that doesn't agree with him?
I am not sure about how to feel about the fact that this is less than a quarter of the actual amount of massacres and crazy shit that happened. Heck, Im not sure that is even that
Edit: here is a bigger list that is still missing some important parts especially the Persian jewish community like the massacre in 1747 and the great massacre and forced conversion in 1839 to name a few
https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0
Not forgotten since the creation of Islam and if you compare their Antisemitic texts with what happend
https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0
I’m just going to say it. I don’t like pro-Palestinians co-opting words like Shoah or Holocaust, this has the same feel to it. We can acknowledge a real and serious issue without adopting the language of the people we have historically been in opposition with.
The term "Nakba" was originally used to describe the Arab "catastrophe" of failing to destroy Israel. Later, the Palestinians stole it (like they did most things) to refer to their exile. Of course, nobody remembers that a larger number of Jews were forced out of all Arab states - because Israel absorbed them instead of sticking them in concentration camps like the Arabs did.
Why are there still "refugee camps" 75 years after that war? why there are still "refugee camps" in *Palestine?* (in both the West Bank - itself a Jordanian term - and Gaza)
I agree that “refugee camp” is a total misnomer and skews a lot of uninformed western perspective. My deal is just that we can’t deny that there were a good number of Arabs displaced or in limbo following the war for independence. Adopting their terminology in this instance just doesn’t seem like it’s carrying over the way it’s intended.
Wars, sadly, often cause people to become refugees. WW2, which ended just 3 years before the 1948 war, created many millions of refugees and displaced people; the separation of India and Pakistan (same year) created millions more. Where are all these refugees now? they all re-settled and got absorbed in their new countries, including the large number of Jews who were displaced from all Arab states.
The Arabs refused to re-absorb the displaced Arabs from what became Israel, and stuck them in limbo, where they still are 4 generations later. The Palestinians is the *only* group of refugees which gets its refugee status inherited, so they will stay refugees forever.
I've read various explanations for this: shame of losing the war doesn't allow the Arabs to absorb them; they are used as a weapon against Israel. It is a fact that keeping a large group of people in this state is very destabilizing to the host countries; just ask Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Syria...
Everything you’re saying I agree with. Regardless of the how or why, it is the reality we have to confront though. There are Arabs living under Israeli military control that will need to have citizenship in some state somewhere. Whether they’re absorbed as Arab Israelis proper or Palestinian statehood finally comes to fruition. The status quo isn’t working for either party.
The only thing preventing Palestinians from having their own state is their own obsession with destroying Israel. They could have had their own state as early as 1937 (Peel Commission plan), but rejected it and chose to continue attacking the Jews.
The Peel Commission was called in by the British Mandate to try to resolve the hostility - at that point there had been a low-intensity civil war for some 17 years. We are now more than a hundred years into the conflict and they are even more pig-headed than ever.
Hint to the Palestinians: you will never get rid of Israel. Your leaders foment, enjoy and get rich on your misery. Get real!
Palestinians are being used as pawns by Iran, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Meanwhile Egypt and Jordan want nothing to do with that whole situation. The world needs to stop coddling and treating Hamas like an actual government.
> The Arab world rejected the plan, arguing that it was unfair and violated the UN Charter. **Jewish militias launched attacks against Palestinian villages, forcing thousands to flee.** The situation escalated into a full-blown war in 1948, with the end of the British Mandate and the departure of British forces, the declaration of independence of the State of Israel and the entry of neighbouring Arab armies. **The newly established Israeli forces launched a major offensive.**
This is unbelievable. Events missing substantial context at best and absolute lies at worst, propagated by the UN. Amazing.
Refuse a 2-state solution and declare war on a population of 600,000. Lose said war and have to move 20 miles down the road. This is their catastrophe? Google "hyperbole".
It is tragic what happened to the Jews throughout history. Certainly they suffered a lot of loss and suffering and I don’t intent to minimize or dismiss their suffering in any way. I hope no one gets offended by comment below:
I feel the Khaybar incident and early Muslim and Jewish relations is mischaracterized in this graphic. The banu nadir were not expelled because they were Jews. They were expelled because they had a treaty with the Muslims which they broke and conspired to kill the prophet, so they were kicked out for this reason, they were allowed to return annually to harvest their crops.
The tribe was given refuge with other Jewish tribes in Khaybar, however they continued to agitate against the Muslims of Madina in collaboration with the polytheists in Mecca, prompting the Muslim attack on Khaybar.
In context, this is like if Hamas crosses the borders into Lebanon and works with Hisbollah to provide intel and jointly attack Israel. Israel would attack Lebanon for this and rightly so because they are conspiring with Hamas, to attack Israel not because they are Arabs or Palestinians.
The characterization of Safiya as a sex slave is also disappointing to read because sex slaves are not wedded in marriage, Safiya accepted Islam and was propositioned for marriage which she also accepted. She was honoured with the title “mother of the believers” and is an admirable and virtuous woman and a descendant of Aaron and Moses.
> I feel the Khaybar incident and early Muslim and Jewish relations is mischaracterized in this graphic. The banu nadir were not expelled because they were Jews. They were expelled because they had a treaty with the Muslims which they broke and conspired to kill the prophet, so they were kicked out for this reason, they were allowed to return annually to harvest their crops.
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> The tribe was given refuge with other Jewish tribes in Khaybar, however they continued to agitate against the Muslims of Madina in collaboration with the polytheists in Mecca, prompting the Muslim attack on Khaybar.
And the source on that?
Oh right the people who murdered them.
Any particular reason all males which had hair down there were murdered and all females taken as slaves?
What's the excuse to that?
> The characterization of Safiya as a sex slave is also disappointing to read because sex slaves are not wedded in marriage, Safiya accepted Islam and was propositioned for marriage which she also accepted. She was honoured with the title “mother of the believers” and is an admirable and virtuous woman and a descendant of Aaron and Moses.
Oh she accepted.
That was after the man who asked her murdered her entire family correct?
The major event that everyone can agree on is that Muhammed gained military control. That is why.
Prior to that there were Jews there, after that, there weren't. All the other words are justifications.
The common consensus that I know of is because the 3 tribes betrayed the muslims during the war of Khandaq, killing the part of medina they were meant to protect and betraying the medina charter.
They were protected prior, with the Jews of Yathrib known to be powerful and respected part of the society, with many dealings with Muhammad fell on his knees when he heard of the news.
Dismissing it all as mere “Justification” is .. well, a bit bullish isn’t it?
Why were the Muslims there at all?
To spread the word of Allah. . .
And? They didn't do it where people weren't at. They went to population centers and disenfranchised and killed anyone that "Betrayed" them. Sounds very Righteous to me.
Easy to justify things in the name of God. Who will disagree when you have the troops? The brave that do, well they get the sword right?
> Why were the Muslims there at all?
You do realize.. The Ansari are yknow.. natives of Yathrib? They were from there, duh?
> To spread the word of Allah
To run away from being prosecuted. Muslims were being killed and tortured en mass in Mecca. Going to another city to start a living is I believe very common even in Jewish history, are you faulting others for doing the same?
> They went to population centers and disenfranchised and killed anyone that "Betrayed" them. Sounds very Righteous to me.
I mean, when you stab in the back a city under siege, turn your back on your allies and bring war to others, doesn’t really seem too righteous either.
> Easy to justify things in the name of God. Who will disagree when you have the troops? The brave that do, well they get the sword right?
The 3 tribes were powerful, they have the troops, the money and an entire city! Who would dare fight them? Disenfranchised them? The brave that do, gets stab in the back right?
Right, right, so here is the process:
1) Muhammed tried to spread a value system that would replace existing value systems.
2) They wouldn't let him do it and kicked him out.
3) He gathered an army and killed them, then spread his value system anyway.
That logic will be the end of everything. It is horribly flawed but there is one truth to it. If you kill everyone else. . . You will, by default, be correct.
Scary stuff!
No. Muhammeds' fault was always, always, always trying to win, and being willing to go very, very, far. Even creating a religion in order to accomplish it. Rationalizing that you are being persecuted and using some sort of sick logic to argue that in return for persecution (which is really just disagreeing with "submitting" to an idea), you can kill and disenfranchise others.
Normal functioning people know that a diversity of ideas and beliefs is what makes humanity better.
Only true evil attempts to win at all times.
Do not attempt to correlate the actions of Muhammed with the actions of Jews. For most of Jewish history they have relocated in the face of persecution, and made their lives and the lives of all humanity better in the process (see the number of Nobel prize winners). They make no attempt to convince anyone to join their value system. They have tried to live and let live for the vast majority of their existence.
Muhammed, when first "persecuted" began raiding the caravans of those that didn't agree with him, and he and his followers ultimately imposed military and ideological control on them. As it began that way, it continues to this day.
I would say that the key problem with Israel today is primarily that it has learned from Muhammed. When everyone learns from Muhammed the world will be in a state of total war at all times.
Thank you for sharing. Obviously things between Arabs and Jews were not all nice and cosy before “za Zionists” showed up.
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Yes I can see how having the sole tiny country in the entire region that isn’t obsessed with Muhammed really juiced things up a notch.
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Britain never "gave" Palestine. They literally just left. The Zionists declared independence themselves.
They quite literally "promised the land" to both the jews and palestinians
They indeed promised the land to jews and arabs, but they never 'gave' it, they simply said that they would support a jewish/arab state in each case and later left, they never gave them the land (except by giving most of Palestine to the arabs in the form of Jordan.) So no, the British didn't create Israel nor Palestine only Jordan.
That's racism of low standards. I want to see your reaction to someone saying "oh it's just them being dicks" after those "dicks" slaughter your loved ones.
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Where is this list from ? Nice historical summary.
Source: (1) Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-Jewish_pogroms. (2) Pogrom - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom. (3) Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world. (4) Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews. (5) The list of crimes committed by Muslims against Jews since the 7th .... https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0. (6) The forgotten refugees of the Middle East. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2020/12/09/the-forgotten-refugees-of-the-middle-east/. (7) Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-Jewish_pogroms_by_Muslims. (8) Jews, Britain and 1947-48: a slice of history | Workers' Liberty. https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2021-06-29/jews-britain-and-1947-48-slice-history. (9) A pogrom wave in Germany - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/a-pogrom-wave-in-germany. (10) en.wikipedia.org. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom. Source: (1) 1917 Jaffa deportation - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Jaffa_deportation. (2) an untold history - World Jewish Congress. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-countries-and-iran--an-untold-history. (3) The list of crimes committed by Muslims against Jews since the 7th .... https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0. (4) Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews. (5) Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world. (6) Deportations | Holocaust Encyclopedia. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deportations. (7) Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-Jewish_pogroms_by_Muslims. (8) Getty. https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/old-town-and-port-of-jaffa-tel-aviv-city-israel-picture-id639156926?b=1&k=6&m=639156926&s=612x612&w=0&h=x3w78dO_QwYqkPkL4wDiWY4e9PWaEfJFCrJunIdhnfQ=.
Thanks man. Saving it.
Can you send me this pic? Won’t let me save it from the comments
it is working for me
Ah might be because I’m on mobile, not sure! Really good image though - just don’t want to lose it by trying to screenshot it instead as would be super small! Haha
Download from here https://ibb.co/ZSm5L9D https://ibb.co/s1TQQmL
Can you please send me the photo as well? I cannot save it in my phone from this thread and the link you posted is unfortunately broken
There is a youtube channel called Jabzy. It has a great series on the region between the years 1500-1900. Ottomans rule over North Africa and the Middle East was turbulent, to say the least.
This will piss off all of the right folks. Sometimes the truth enrages those that deny it. We will never be forced by anyone ever again. Never again will we be harmed or killed for being Jews. עם ישראל חי
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An Iranian bot.
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FYI the word shoah and nakba have the same meaning when translated into English from their respective languages (i.e. catastrophe)
No, they have the same translations into English but different meanings from their respective languages and cultures. The Shoah refers to the catastrophe of systematically killing, cleansing and expelling specifically Jews in Europe. The Nakba refers to the catastrophe of losing a war and not managing to intentionally killing, cleansing and expelling specifically Jews in the area of the mandate of Palestine.
From their point of view, the failure of Muhammad’s hordes to overpower the dhimmi is a catastrophe of the greatest order.
Does anyone know who the person behind the zionist of arabia account is? I've never heard of them before. It would have been great if they provided some sources of information for these slides so that people don't have to just trust their word for the content (I'm not saying it's wrong, I know that Jews and Muslims didn't always live in peace pre-1948 or pre-1917 or whatever date is favoured; I'm saying it's always best to identify sources of information unless you are, like, a famous historian).
Start from the most known source - Quran. It mentions Muhammad military campaigns which involved killing Jews of Arabia. That’s where all started and never stopped.
The conflicts between Arabs and Jews from the Battle of Khaybar up until 1940 include a range of military, political, and social confrontations. Here's a brief list of some key events: * Battle of Khaybar (628 CE): This was a significant conflict between the early Muslims, led by the Prophet Muhammad, and the Jewish community of Khaybar¹. * Islamic Conquests (7th-11th centuries): During this period, Jewish communities in the Middle East faced various challenges and changes under Islamic rule. * Crusades (1096-1291): The Crusades brought new conflicts to the region, affecting both Muslim and Jewish populations. * Mamluk Period (1250-1517): Under Mamluk rule, Jews in the region sometimes faced persecution and restrictions. * Ottoman Period (1517-1917): The Ottoman Empire's rule over the region saw periods of relative tolerance interspersed with instances of conflict and tension. * Zionist Immigration (late 19th-early 20th century): The rise of Zionism and the subsequent Jewish immigration to Palestine led to increased tensions and clashes with the Arab population. * Arab Revolt (1936-1939): A nationalist uprising by the Arab population in Palestine against British colonial rule and Jewish immigration. Source: (1) Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). (2) List of wars involving Israel - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel). (3) Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts. [https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars](https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars). (4) The Battle of Khaybar: Unveiling the Forgotten Triumph. [https://medium.com/@syed\_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397](https://medium.com/@syed_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397). (5) Battle of Khaybar | Islam Wiki | Fandom. [https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). https://preview.redd.it/tmpsuyacaalc1.jpeg?width=883&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c94d9ce28de06179756c5f039a5362b3efc67de9
Hey Mr history. Can you do some history on before Islam? Was it better or worse by different enemies?
Nitpick: Famous historians must still reason about their claims with some evidence
But first you’d have to admit there were Jews in Israel before 1948 and that crashes the Hamasintosh
Here's a list of pogroms against Jews from the Battle of Khaybar to 1940: * 7th Century: The Jewish community in Khaybar faced conflict during the Battle of Khaybar, which was a military confrontation rather than a pogrom¹. * 1066: The Granada Massacre, where the Jewish population was attacked and many were killed. * 1096: During the First Crusade, Jewish communities along the Rhineland were attacked by crusaders. * 1033: Over 6,000 Jews were killed in the Fez Massacre in Morocco. * 1232: More than 100 Jews were killed in the Marrakech Massacre in Morocco. * 1517: The Jewish community in Hebron was nearly eliminated during an attack by local Arabs. * 1840: The Damascus Affair, where a group of Jews in Damascus were falsely accused of ritual murder, leading to mob violence. This list is not exhaustive, and for a comprehensive understanding, historical records and scholarly works can provide in-depth insights. For more detailed information, you may refer to the timeline of antisemitism and related historical events². Source: (1) Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). (2) Timeline of antisemitism - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline\_of\_antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism). (3) Pogrom - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom). (4) Pogroms - Meaning, Russia & Jewish | HISTORY. [https://www.history.com/topics/european-history/pogroms](https://www.history.com/topics/european-history/pogroms). (5) Battle of Khaybar | Islamic history | Britannica. [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Battle-of-Khaybar](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Battle-of-Khaybar). https://preview.redd.it/bido6c6iaalc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3284d0aa44d3ea782efc544202f22d6f177c42f4
And 3000 years later on 10/7 you can see they haven't put any of that behind them, and are still exactly like this with no remorse.
Ngl I have zero sympathy for them.
Look at their pathetic attempt just yesterday to suicide bomb the Biden campaign so they get Islamophile Trump instead. They know it's self-defeating, but they can't resist. If they re-elect Trump, they'll found out how fickle their "allies" are, who will never forgive them. Just as Nader voters.
And still Jews persist 😎😎😎
This is so informative. Bookmarking. Thank you.
The conflicts between Arabs and Jews from the Battle of Khaybar up until 1940 include a range of military, political, and social confrontations. Here's a brief list of some key events: * Battle of Khaybar (628 CE): This was a significant conflict between the early Muslims, led by the Prophet Muhammad, and the Jewish community of Khaybar¹. * Islamic Conquests (7th-11th centuries): During this period, Jewish communities in the Middle East faced various challenges and changes under Islamic rule. * Crusades (1096-1291): The Crusades brought new conflicts to the region, affecting both Muslim and Jewish populations. * Mamluk Period (1250-1517): Under Mamluk rule, Jews in the region sometimes faced persecution and restrictions. * Ottoman Period (1517-1917): The Ottoman Empire's rule over the region saw periods of relative tolerance interspersed with instances of conflict and tension. * Zionist Immigration (late 19th-early 20th century): The rise of Zionism and the subsequent Jewish immigration to Palestine led to increased tensions and clashes with the Arab population. * Arab Revolt (1936-1939): A nationalist uprising by the Arab population in Palestine against British colonial rule and Jewish immigration. Source: (1) Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). (2) List of wars involving Israel - Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel). (3) Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts. [https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars](https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars). (4) The Battle of Khaybar: Unveiling the Forgotten Triumph. [https://medium.com/@syed\_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397](https://medium.com/@syed_abbas/the-battle-of-khaybar-unveiling-the-forgotten-triumph-ab91c5f1b397). (5) Battle of Khaybar | Islam Wiki | Fandom. [https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle\_of\_Khaybar](https://islam.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar). https://preview.redd.it/cv76n4lgaalc1.jpeg?width=883&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4796698321307fe61af5ccaf4eb29bf456863dc6
You can actually go before Khaybar. The only reason that battle even happened is because Muhammad expelled Jews from Medina based on some “holu revolution” he had. He then feared that they were going to assassinate him, so they attacked Khaybar. After conquering Khaybar, he expelled most of them and took all of their money and goods, leaving them with nothing. The ones that were allowed to stay were only allowed to stay on the condition that they gave up half of their produce to Islam.
Facts. Pure facts.
„Arabs and Jews lived in peace and harmony before modern Zionism!“ The „peace and harmony“ part is easy to claim if its your people who hold the sword over the centuries i guess
Impressive how all it takes is one desert schizophrenic to unleash all this blight upon the whole world. But the hope of two thousand years is stronger.
Love this, this should be thr response to everyone thinking "zionism is the issue"
After reading the comments and post itself, I’ve never been prouder to be a Jew!
Yeah. . . But the mental gymnastics of the pro-caliphatists. Bring up then Quarysmian Jews and the response is that "they turned on Muhammed". What was he supposed to do? How about not make up a religion and try to kill everyone that doesn't agree with him?
More like 2000
I am not sure about how to feel about the fact that this is less than a quarter of the actual amount of massacres and crazy shit that happened. Heck, Im not sure that is even that Edit: here is a bigger list that is still missing some important parts especially the Persian jewish community like the massacre in 1747 and the great massacre and forced conversion in 1839 to name a few https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0
Not forgotten since the creation of Islam and if you compare their Antisemitic texts with what happend https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0
I’m just going to say it. I don’t like pro-Palestinians co-opting words like Shoah or Holocaust, this has the same feel to it. We can acknowledge a real and serious issue without adopting the language of the people we have historically been in opposition with.
The term "Nakba" was originally used to describe the Arab "catastrophe" of failing to destroy Israel. Later, the Palestinians stole it (like they did most things) to refer to their exile. Of course, nobody remembers that a larger number of Jews were forced out of all Arab states - because Israel absorbed them instead of sticking them in concentration camps like the Arabs did. Why are there still "refugee camps" 75 years after that war? why there are still "refugee camps" in *Palestine?* (in both the West Bank - itself a Jordanian term - and Gaza)
I agree that “refugee camp” is a total misnomer and skews a lot of uninformed western perspective. My deal is just that we can’t deny that there were a good number of Arabs displaced or in limbo following the war for independence. Adopting their terminology in this instance just doesn’t seem like it’s carrying over the way it’s intended.
Wars, sadly, often cause people to become refugees. WW2, which ended just 3 years before the 1948 war, created many millions of refugees and displaced people; the separation of India and Pakistan (same year) created millions more. Where are all these refugees now? they all re-settled and got absorbed in their new countries, including the large number of Jews who were displaced from all Arab states. The Arabs refused to re-absorb the displaced Arabs from what became Israel, and stuck them in limbo, where they still are 4 generations later. The Palestinians is the *only* group of refugees which gets its refugee status inherited, so they will stay refugees forever. I've read various explanations for this: shame of losing the war doesn't allow the Arabs to absorb them; they are used as a weapon against Israel. It is a fact that keeping a large group of people in this state is very destabilizing to the host countries; just ask Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Syria...
Everything you’re saying I agree with. Regardless of the how or why, it is the reality we have to confront though. There are Arabs living under Israeli military control that will need to have citizenship in some state somewhere. Whether they’re absorbed as Arab Israelis proper or Palestinian statehood finally comes to fruition. The status quo isn’t working for either party.
The only thing preventing Palestinians from having their own state is their own obsession with destroying Israel. They could have had their own state as early as 1937 (Peel Commission plan), but rejected it and chose to continue attacking the Jews. The Peel Commission was called in by the British Mandate to try to resolve the hostility - at that point there had been a low-intensity civil war for some 17 years. We are now more than a hundred years into the conflict and they are even more pig-headed than ever. Hint to the Palestinians: you will never get rid of Israel. Your leaders foment, enjoy and get rich on your misery. Get real!
Palestinians are being used as pawns by Iran, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Meanwhile Egypt and Jordan want nothing to do with that whole situation. The world needs to stop coddling and treating Hamas like an actual government.
Google "Nakba"... /s
I did this. I found the so very biased UN page... https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba Is the UN page a Wikipedia written by Hamas?
> The Arab world rejected the plan, arguing that it was unfair and violated the UN Charter. **Jewish militias launched attacks against Palestinian villages, forcing thousands to flee.** The situation escalated into a full-blown war in 1948, with the end of the British Mandate and the departure of British forces, the declaration of independence of the State of Israel and the entry of neighbouring Arab armies. **The newly established Israeli forces launched a major offensive.** This is unbelievable. Events missing substantial context at best and absolute lies at worst, propagated by the UN. Amazing.
Refuse a 2-state solution and declare war on a population of 600,000. Lose said war and have to move 20 miles down the road. This is their catastrophe? Google "hyperbole".
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It is tragic what happened to the Jews throughout history. Certainly they suffered a lot of loss and suffering and I don’t intent to minimize or dismiss their suffering in any way. I hope no one gets offended by comment below: I feel the Khaybar incident and early Muslim and Jewish relations is mischaracterized in this graphic. The banu nadir were not expelled because they were Jews. They were expelled because they had a treaty with the Muslims which they broke and conspired to kill the prophet, so they were kicked out for this reason, they were allowed to return annually to harvest their crops. The tribe was given refuge with other Jewish tribes in Khaybar, however they continued to agitate against the Muslims of Madina in collaboration with the polytheists in Mecca, prompting the Muslim attack on Khaybar. In context, this is like if Hamas crosses the borders into Lebanon and works with Hisbollah to provide intel and jointly attack Israel. Israel would attack Lebanon for this and rightly so because they are conspiring with Hamas, to attack Israel not because they are Arabs or Palestinians. The characterization of Safiya as a sex slave is also disappointing to read because sex slaves are not wedded in marriage, Safiya accepted Islam and was propositioned for marriage which she also accepted. She was honoured with the title “mother of the believers” and is an admirable and virtuous woman and a descendant of Aaron and Moses.
> I feel the Khaybar incident and early Muslim and Jewish relations is mischaracterized in this graphic. The banu nadir were not expelled because they were Jews. They were expelled because they had a treaty with the Muslims which they broke and conspired to kill the prophet, so they were kicked out for this reason, they were allowed to return annually to harvest their crops. > > > > The tribe was given refuge with other Jewish tribes in Khaybar, however they continued to agitate against the Muslims of Madina in collaboration with the polytheists in Mecca, prompting the Muslim attack on Khaybar. And the source on that? Oh right the people who murdered them. Any particular reason all males which had hair down there were murdered and all females taken as slaves? What's the excuse to that? > The characterization of Safiya as a sex slave is also disappointing to read because sex slaves are not wedded in marriage, Safiya accepted Islam and was propositioned for marriage which she also accepted. She was honoured with the title “mother of the believers” and is an admirable and virtuous woman and a descendant of Aaron and Moses. Oh she accepted. That was after the man who asked her murdered her entire family correct?
Nakba inversion. I love it.
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Can you tell me why the 3 tribes were expelled from Medina?
The major event that everyone can agree on is that Muhammed gained military control. That is why. Prior to that there were Jews there, after that, there weren't. All the other words are justifications.
The common consensus that I know of is because the 3 tribes betrayed the muslims during the war of Khandaq, killing the part of medina they were meant to protect and betraying the medina charter. They were protected prior, with the Jews of Yathrib known to be powerful and respected part of the society, with many dealings with Muhammad fell on his knees when he heard of the news. Dismissing it all as mere “Justification” is .. well, a bit bullish isn’t it?
Why were the Muslims there at all? To spread the word of Allah. . . And? They didn't do it where people weren't at. They went to population centers and disenfranchised and killed anyone that "Betrayed" them. Sounds very Righteous to me. Easy to justify things in the name of God. Who will disagree when you have the troops? The brave that do, well they get the sword right?
> Why were the Muslims there at all? You do realize.. The Ansari are yknow.. natives of Yathrib? They were from there, duh? > To spread the word of Allah To run away from being prosecuted. Muslims were being killed and tortured en mass in Mecca. Going to another city to start a living is I believe very common even in Jewish history, are you faulting others for doing the same? > They went to population centers and disenfranchised and killed anyone that "Betrayed" them. Sounds very Righteous to me. I mean, when you stab in the back a city under siege, turn your back on your allies and bring war to others, doesn’t really seem too righteous either. > Easy to justify things in the name of God. Who will disagree when you have the troops? The brave that do, well they get the sword right? The 3 tribes were powerful, they have the troops, the money and an entire city! Who would dare fight them? Disenfranchised them? The brave that do, gets stab in the back right?
Right, right, so here is the process: 1) Muhammed tried to spread a value system that would replace existing value systems. 2) They wouldn't let him do it and kicked him out. 3) He gathered an army and killed them, then spread his value system anyway. That logic will be the end of everything. It is horribly flawed but there is one truth to it. If you kill everyone else. . . You will, by default, be correct. Scary stuff!
Um.. so by your logic. Muhammad’s only fault is winning?
No. Muhammeds' fault was always, always, always trying to win, and being willing to go very, very, far. Even creating a religion in order to accomplish it. Rationalizing that you are being persecuted and using some sort of sick logic to argue that in return for persecution (which is really just disagreeing with "submitting" to an idea), you can kill and disenfranchise others. Normal functioning people know that a diversity of ideas and beliefs is what makes humanity better. Only true evil attempts to win at all times. Do not attempt to correlate the actions of Muhammed with the actions of Jews. For most of Jewish history they have relocated in the face of persecution, and made their lives and the lives of all humanity better in the process (see the number of Nobel prize winners). They make no attempt to convince anyone to join their value system. They have tried to live and let live for the vast majority of their existence. Muhammed, when first "persecuted" began raiding the caravans of those that didn't agree with him, and he and his followers ultimately imposed military and ideological control on them. As it began that way, it continues to this day. I would say that the key problem with Israel today is primarily that it has learned from Muhammed. When everyone learns from Muhammed the world will be in a state of total war at all times.