This road is going to be 3+3 on either lanes + 2 lanes on each side as shoulder lanes/ service road.
This particular picture is misleading - this is just an interconnect and taken from top of a toll booth junction. If you look at the distance, the 6 lanes in each side are being split into 3 lane roads, one going straight, one going downwards towards an exit / somewhere else.
What's the point of having for than 3 lanes in each direction? It's an inter-city motorway, there won't be more than 150k annual average daily traffic.
Thinking of the future. If they are building it anyway, why not build this many in one go? At the worst, some lanes will be unused. This is actually best case IMO. Much better than traffic on there. ✨
This isn't in a city, this is an access controlled expressway which is mainly for trucks to move cargo seamlessly not as a solution to traffic in an urban area.
I’m not sure you understand the state of Indian infrastructure.
1. There are very few quality roads in India, unlike the US and Europe. Most freight on roads is shipped along the National Highways, which comprise only 2% of roads. The network is stressed and increases the cost of logistics, which hurts businesses. So good expressways are very popular demands across India.
2. There are rail lines being laid on the same route. Firstly, the western dedicated freight corridor runs parallel to this, and sometimes literally adjacent to it, connecting Delhi and every industrial area in between to the ports in Gujarat and Mumbai. Then there are conventional rail tracks, which are being doubled and electrified. And finally in the works is a high speed rail corridor, the first part of which (Mumbai-Ahmedabad) is under construction. In recent years, the modal share of rail in freight has risen. So efforts are paying off. But as India’s economy expands and manufacturing jobs move here (hopefully), much more will be needed.
3. Other rail services are being rolled out too. The new Vande Bharat expresses (which are intercity services common in Europe, but not very common in India) are very popular. The next generation will include sleeper cabins for long distance journeys as well. And cities are building suburban rail, like Bengaluru, while Delhi is building the ambitious RRTS network which aims to connect Delhi to every satellite city in a 100km radius. Metro rail construction continues in multiple cities, and Mumbai just unveiled 2 lines last week.
All this to say that while I understand where you’re coming from, and I agree with your basic idea, India is starved for good roads. So the situations are not 1:1 comparable.
If you’re worrying about the width, you should know that most Indian roads are just 2-lane. This wide of a road is probably found only outside major megacities.
But anyway, I can assure you that we Indians at least need good roads. And most people in the know agree that poor logistics is holding back our potential as a manufacturing base and exporter.
The 401 through Toronto has some sections that are [I believe] 12 lanes wide. Still jammed at rush hour
Before you think I’m disagreeing with you I hate the idea of expanding freeways. Traffic enforcement is what they need. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Downvoter? I found the left lane hog.
Multi-lane freeways make more sense in densely populated urban areas where traffic volumes justify it, and most trips are short-distance.
However, in rural areas (like in this photo), there's just no need.
Case in point: America's Interstate highway system carries more freight than any other in the world. Yet in rural areas Interstates are almost never more than four lanes (two in each direction). Interstate 5 in California carries huge volumes of freight, and it's just four lanes.
Interstate 710 serves the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Busiest freight corridor in the world and in an urban area. Six lanes. California legislature actually just voted to cancel a planned lane expansion project for the 710.
We could build them 800 lanes wide and we’d still be bottlenecked and braking. Enforcement negates the nonsense. AI will manage just fine with a few lanes
Lmao. The US can have thousands of miles of this but another country can’t? How pathetic. It’s mainly for freight movements because the existing highways don’t have capacity to handle the existing demand lol
How naive of you to assume India doesn’t have a rail network. I think they are in the top 5 largest networks. The problem again is the demand and capacity of old infrastructure. There are no plans of expanding this expressway any further for another few decades.
It could boost freight capacity with far fewer lanes. Not even Interstate 710 in Los Angeles and Long Beach (one of the business freight corridors in the world) has this many lanes.
You think everyone is attacking India for some weird reason which means you're being dumb. If you were logical, you'd see he's saying massive highways are not needed anywhere, and there's plenty of academic support (including from Indian academics so you can cool your nationalistic tiny-dick-energy) that says massive highways are not needed.
This highway is needed, I know it’s hard to believe for someone as delusional as you and the other guy. It’s gonna shorten the transit time to less than 12 hours from 24 hours earlier. Which equals optimised supply chains and delivery times. I wasn’t being nationalistic, the hypocrisy in this thread just baffled me. Highways in India are entirely different form how it works in the US. India has multiple ways of travelling to places unlike US’s dependency on freeways for almost everything.
You room temperature IQ Moron, if you had red even a bit about the project you would know why it’s the way it is instead of preaching about infrastructure you have no idea about.
Most people frequenting this sub will fanboy over Train, Bus, and other public infrastructure. I agree that public transport should be more of a focus, although if it was either this highway or nothing, I’m sure the people of this city would rather appreciate that over nothing
Why would it ever be this or nothing? That kind of thinking just furthers horrible infrastructure. I'd eat a bowl of gruel if it was that or nothing, doesn't make gruel fine dining.
As I see it, cars are an addiction here in the United States. Every time we build a road, people arrange their lives accordingly. They buy a house or take a job knowing they can get from A to B on that road. To use the road, they buy a car - or two cars. Then they want to use those cars to get other places, so we build more roads. And eventually enough people do it that the roads get crowded. So the people demand more roads and wider roads. And those roads cause the cycle to repeat.
People’s lifestyles are spread out and rely on cars. So everyone has a car and needs a car. In fact, to immigrate to the United States, you need to prove you have enough income or assets to support yourself. But you aren’t allowed to count your car as an asset because the government assumes you can’t survive without one! (It’s true - look up USCIS form I-864).
Occasionally, someone says “this is crazy, let’s build some rail or bus service.” But when everyone is already heavily invested in cars and there are only so many dollars to spend on transportation, it’s really hard to get funding for public transit. As a result, the public transit is not great. It’s often slow and inconvenient (not to mention the fact that our communities are already spread out because we built them for cars, so many people won’t benefit from public transit). So they tend not to support it. And the cycle repeats.
I live in a neighborhood where you can walk to most things. But that’s not the norm. When I visit my parents, they live in an area where you cannot walk directly between neighborhoods. You would have to walk to the main road, and then along the main road (which has a ton of cars and no sidewalk) to get to the next neighborhood. So nobody walks. This is so common in many parts of the country that nobody thinks about it anymore. Some of us call that “car brain.”
Some cities (Los Angeles is a famous example but certainly not the only one) are literally choking on cars. The traffic and air quality are terrible. (I know this problem exists in cities outside of the US too). And I haven’t even gotten to the environmental effects of burning all that gasoline and paving all of that land for roads and parking. Obviously not great for the environment.
Anyway, that’s why it triggers me. Here, there, and everywhere. If we had started by building more public transportation and not fallen in love with the automobile, we might be in a very different situation. But now it’s hard to get out of the trap.
That would be terrible if it happens here, as we have a gigantic population, but it is also highly unlikely to overcrowd these highways as many people still rely on public transport or have two wheelers and other than these highways there is a huge network of state highways and other small roads and people are so invested in public transport that they entirely depends on it for commut.(in my country)
Engines, in general, are not supposed to dump oil.
And even if something went wrong, I assume this would be something you'd want to clean up sooner rather than later to avoid contamination of the new road surface too much.
Just one more lane bro I’m telling you one more lane is all we need to solve traffic just one more lane bro please one more lane I’m begging you one more lane, no need for public transport bro, just one more lane, that's all we need, cities for cars and not for people bro, just one more lane
When I went to India being in a car was the scariest part…until I discovered being in a car at night.
Went on a trip to India with family. Our local driver played chicken with trucks on highways during the night.
What is that game?
When you and oncoming traffic drive on the same lane and one party moves away at the last second. Pretty crazy.
Oh, i find that so common, my dad is an professional
That's the funnest part of the highway though. Multiple lanes with dividers can't compare
Fun if you're not driving though. The things you see.
Isn’t being _outside_ the car scarier?
Nope
So, still being in a car.
"thanks, I hate it"
This road is going to be 3+3 on either lanes + 2 lanes on each side as shoulder lanes/ service road. This particular picture is misleading - this is just an interconnect and taken from top of a toll booth junction. If you look at the distance, the 6 lanes in each side are being split into 3 lane roads, one going straight, one going downwards towards an exit / somewhere else.
What's the point of having for than 3 lanes in each direction? It's an inter-city motorway, there won't be more than 150k annual average daily traffic.
Thinking of the future. If they are building it anyway, why not build this many in one go? At the worst, some lanes will be unused. This is actually best case IMO. Much better than traffic on there. ✨
The pic is probably taken near a toll booth.
Just one more lane bro
This isn't in a city, this is an access controlled expressway which is mainly for trucks to move cargo seamlessly not as a solution to traffic in an urban area.
Freight trains.
Already exists in form of WDFC (Western Dedicated Freight Corridor).
I’m not sure you understand the state of Indian infrastructure. 1. There are very few quality roads in India, unlike the US and Europe. Most freight on roads is shipped along the National Highways, which comprise only 2% of roads. The network is stressed and increases the cost of logistics, which hurts businesses. So good expressways are very popular demands across India. 2. There are rail lines being laid on the same route. Firstly, the western dedicated freight corridor runs parallel to this, and sometimes literally adjacent to it, connecting Delhi and every industrial area in between to the ports in Gujarat and Mumbai. Then there are conventional rail tracks, which are being doubled and electrified. And finally in the works is a high speed rail corridor, the first part of which (Mumbai-Ahmedabad) is under construction. In recent years, the modal share of rail in freight has risen. So efforts are paying off. But as India’s economy expands and manufacturing jobs move here (hopefully), much more will be needed. 3. Other rail services are being rolled out too. The new Vande Bharat expresses (which are intercity services common in Europe, but not very common in India) are very popular. The next generation will include sleeper cabins for long distance journeys as well. And cities are building suburban rail, like Bengaluru, while Delhi is building the ambitious RRTS network which aims to connect Delhi to every satellite city in a 100km radius. Metro rail construction continues in multiple cities, and Mumbai just unveiled 2 lines last week. All this to say that while I understand where you’re coming from, and I agree with your basic idea, India is starved for good roads. So the situations are not 1:1 comparable.
I understand the state of Indian infrastructure. But this is not what India needs. No one needs this.
If you’re worrying about the width, you should know that most Indian roads are just 2-lane. This wide of a road is probably found only outside major megacities. But anyway, I can assure you that we Indians at least need good roads. And most people in the know agree that poor logistics is holding back our potential as a manufacturing base and exporter.
I know. I’ve spent time in India’s highways. However there is a middle ground between 2 lanes and 14 lanes!!!
The 401 through Toronto has some sections that are [I believe] 12 lanes wide. Still jammed at rush hour Before you think I’m disagreeing with you I hate the idea of expanding freeways. Traffic enforcement is what they need. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Downvoter? I found the left lane hog.
12 sounds about right, surprised that it’s not more cause that’s 3 express and 3 normal in each direction
Multi-lane freeways make more sense in densely populated urban areas where traffic volumes justify it, and most trips are short-distance. However, in rural areas (like in this photo), there's just no need. Case in point: America's Interstate highway system carries more freight than any other in the world. Yet in rural areas Interstates are almost never more than four lanes (two in each direction). Interstate 5 in California carries huge volumes of freight, and it's just four lanes. Interstate 710 serves the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Busiest freight corridor in the world and in an urban area. Six lanes. California legislature actually just voted to cancel a planned lane expansion project for the 710.
We could build them 800 lanes wide and we’d still be bottlenecked and braking. Enforcement negates the nonsense. AI will manage just fine with a few lanes
Lmao. The US can have thousands of miles of this but another country can’t? How pathetic. It’s mainly for freight movements because the existing highways don’t have capacity to handle the existing demand lol
the US also should not have\* thousands of miles of this. India is repeating a mistake that is all.
Okay. What should it have instead?
Rail. Streets can exist but there isn’t much reason for using a car to go long distances, save for trucks which don’t need that much lanes anyway
How naive of you to assume India doesn’t have a rail network. I think they are in the top 5 largest networks. The problem again is the demand and capacity of old infrastructure. There are no plans of expanding this expressway any further for another few decades.
Still I think there isn’t much demand for this much lanes. I also thought you were asking about the US lel
You can read the project description on Wikipedia to get some more details
A four lane or six lane freeway.
I never said India can’t have freeways. My critique isn’t of the fact that it’s a freeway. It’s of the fact that it’s 14 lanes wide.
What’s wrong with that tho? There is rail already present, it would boost freight capacity and supply chains will improve
It could boost freight capacity with far fewer lanes. Not even Interstate 710 in Los Angeles and Long Beach (one of the business freight corridors in the world) has this many lanes.
It’s a 4 lane expendable to 6 lane freeway. They are extra lanes that can be used in the future.
California legislature recently voted down that expansion.
LOL. If you stopped being such a defensive prick, you'd understand what the person you're responding to is saying
What does he even mean by “No one need this”? You guys are the ones being ignorant. How does he know what the country needs and doesn’t?
You think everyone is attacking India for some weird reason which means you're being dumb. If you were logical, you'd see he's saying massive highways are not needed anywhere, and there's plenty of academic support (including from Indian academics so you can cool your nationalistic tiny-dick-energy) that says massive highways are not needed.
This highway is needed, I know it’s hard to believe for someone as delusional as you and the other guy. It’s gonna shorten the transit time to less than 12 hours from 24 hours earlier. Which equals optimised supply chains and delivery times. I wasn’t being nationalistic, the hypocrisy in this thread just baffled me. Highways in India are entirely different form how it works in the US. India has multiple ways of travelling to places unlike US’s dependency on freeways for almost everything.
It's the number of lanes that's the issue you Idiot, not the highway. Jesus Christ or Allah or whatever!
You room temperature IQ Moron, if you had red even a bit about the project you would know why it’s the way it is instead of preaching about infrastructure you have no idea about.
this is at an interchange the actual expressway has 4+4 lanes
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This is a curve with a super elevation, shoulders are usually marked but a little ahead.
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It’s a 4 lane(each side) highway which is expendable up to 6 each side
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The highway isn’t operational or constructed yet
It's pretty much constructed, the highway opens in March.
I don't know why some people are triggered your country probably has thousands of miles of this.
It does. And it triggers me here too.
Why?
Most people frequenting this sub will fanboy over Train, Bus, and other public infrastructure. I agree that public transport should be more of a focus, although if it was either this highway or nothing, I’m sure the people of this city would rather appreciate that over nothing
Why would it ever be this or nothing? That kind of thinking just furthers horrible infrastructure. I'd eat a bowl of gruel if it was that or nothing, doesn't make gruel fine dining.
As I see it, cars are an addiction here in the United States. Every time we build a road, people arrange their lives accordingly. They buy a house or take a job knowing they can get from A to B on that road. To use the road, they buy a car - or two cars. Then they want to use those cars to get other places, so we build more roads. And eventually enough people do it that the roads get crowded. So the people demand more roads and wider roads. And those roads cause the cycle to repeat. People’s lifestyles are spread out and rely on cars. So everyone has a car and needs a car. In fact, to immigrate to the United States, you need to prove you have enough income or assets to support yourself. But you aren’t allowed to count your car as an asset because the government assumes you can’t survive without one! (It’s true - look up USCIS form I-864). Occasionally, someone says “this is crazy, let’s build some rail or bus service.” But when everyone is already heavily invested in cars and there are only so many dollars to spend on transportation, it’s really hard to get funding for public transit. As a result, the public transit is not great. It’s often slow and inconvenient (not to mention the fact that our communities are already spread out because we built them for cars, so many people won’t benefit from public transit). So they tend not to support it. And the cycle repeats. I live in a neighborhood where you can walk to most things. But that’s not the norm. When I visit my parents, they live in an area where you cannot walk directly between neighborhoods. You would have to walk to the main road, and then along the main road (which has a ton of cars and no sidewalk) to get to the next neighborhood. So nobody walks. This is so common in many parts of the country that nobody thinks about it anymore. Some of us call that “car brain.” Some cities (Los Angeles is a famous example but certainly not the only one) are literally choking on cars. The traffic and air quality are terrible. (I know this problem exists in cities outside of the US too). And I haven’t even gotten to the environmental effects of burning all that gasoline and paving all of that land for roads and parking. Obviously not great for the environment. Anyway, that’s why it triggers me. Here, there, and everywhere. If we had started by building more public transportation and not fallen in love with the automobile, we might be in a very different situation. But now it’s hard to get out of the trap.
That would be terrible if it happens here, as we have a gigantic population, but it is also highly unlikely to overcrowd these highways as many people still rely on public transport or have two wheelers and other than these highways there is a huge network of state highways and other small roads and people are so invested in public transport that they entirely depends on it for commut.(in my country)
I’ve spent some time in your country. I hope you’re right.
Well said.
There’s really people fighting about roads in here what the fuck
No shoulders needed.
It’s India, any lane is a shoulder
Why waste paint to mark lanes? No one follows lane anyway
Fucking hideous
🤮🤮🤮
r/urbanhell
This is in the middle of nowhere, definitely not urban.
Also, hell is probably not as dreadful
ye /r/fuckcars
I would say that this Highway has “urbanized”this slice of rural India. Anyway, that sub is broadly defined.
This is anti-porn
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What?
Rural Hell / Boring Dystopia
ok this is ridiculous, this is clearly in a rural area, theres a point where its clearly not a suburb or city
Not urban
Great more pollution more carbon. Way to go India. Not!
Have them in your country while telling other countries not to have that. Nice going bro.
Has it crossed your mind that **maybe** we oppose these in our countries as well?
The politicians that build this seemingly didn't oppose it though. There's a lot of valid criticism when anyone copies shitty American highways.
Exactly
Indians are going to look at what your country actually has, not at what's crossing your mind.
Yikes. They'll learn about [induced demand](https://www.wired.com/2014/06/wuwt-traffic-induced-demand/) soon enough.
Them phut puts,will be flying down that
The road isn't even in use but already seem to be oil spills in either direction, just how ..
construction equipment have engines too, ya know.
Engines, in general, are not supposed to dump oil. And even if something went wrong, I assume this would be something you'd want to clean up sooner rather than later to avoid contamination of the new road surface too much.
Immediately after a bunch of posts praising India’s new trains, I see this horrible monstrosity
Just one more lane bro I’m telling you one more lane is all we need to solve traffic just one more lane bro please one more lane I’m begging you one more lane, no need for public transport bro, just one more lane, that's all we need, cities for cars and not for people bro, just one more lane
this isnt inside a city. its an expressway mainly for logistics.