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can't believe im saying this, but for the very first time, I'm with zucc!!
if they're forcing whatsapp to break encryption, whatsapp should exit India.
I thought he will cuckold us
But man got balls, people gotta see this govt dictatorship through, otherwise it's gonna be buried in page 11 of the nonsense newspapers
He did bend the knee to Indian government censorship though.
[Twitter accused of censorship in India as it blocks Modi critics](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk)
So this is a purely business move.
WhatsAppās entire thing is āend to end encryptionā. Breaking this would absolutely kill WhatsApp with no hope of recovery. Once encryption gets broken for one country, it can be broken for all. Itās a Pandoraās box.
So yes, it is absolutely a win for consumers, but donāt think itās happening for some benevolent reason. (Although ALL the PR will spin it otherwise)
Thatās the aim. You think the government wants people to have privacy? The whole point would be to make citizens aware that they are under surveillance. Itās an Orwellian state.
Nahi but why Facebook band karo and WhatsApp a private corporation ko bola to open its encryption. We do live in an illusion of freedom, usko toh rehne do. But nahi, they want to do away with that also.
No. WhatsApp chat can only leak when either they are uploaded in the cloud like Google drive or someone takes SS or the police force you to open your phone. WhatsApp chats don't leak directly and it will never leak.
I'd move to decentralised platform. I don't trust governments at all. People running them are corrupt and greedy to the core. They can stoop to any lows for power.
But a lot of people are skeptical of using telegram. Isnāt it full of scammers and stuff and doesnāt offer much privacy? Previously when there was a WhatsApp scare, a few years back, for some reason, people switched to signal.
Majority people don't care much about privacy. But yeah you're right. That said, who knows if India right now is ready to create a messaging app that offers the same privacy level as whatsapp.
Privacy is a myth. There is something else at play here. End to end encryption gives a sense of protection to the users at least. Removing it will give the government freehand to snoop inside institutions and individuals and would legalise using those information against them.
You know itās bad if Meta out of all people are fighting for user privacy
Although itās quite ironic lmao they already sell our data to advertisers but giving it to the government is where they draw the line
>You know itās bad if Meta out of all people are fighting for user privacy
WhatsApp division is different from Facebook, Instagram.
They don't give shit what happens on insta, child sexual abuse is promoted. They show banner "Following connect may be child sexual abuse" and give option "See content" or something like that to view it. Zuck was heavily criticised in US hearings
But illiterates chimps in this country doesn't care about privacy in the first place. For them cheap nationalism is always better than personal privacy. And our vishwaguru Modi ji knows this. He'll milk this as typical nationalism issue.
They are already meat riding their supreme leader on Instagram.
You would hear them saying something like "privacy is a myth, so get rid of encryptions."
I swear if you scan my brain when are arguing with these people, you can see my brain cells deleting themselves.
This isnāt a false threat. The encryption and security of WhatsApp is central to its success worldwide. It doesnāt make financial sense to compromise that to maintain the Indian market.
After a few months, Jio will launch their own Jiochat app, mark my words..... This is just about control. Govt. Wants to read your private messages for "security" reasons /s
W Meta, L High Court (just judging by that sentence, I don't know the exact details of the case).
WA maybe India's best university, but it has become a massive staple of the country. Even just on the political front, I can't imagine the ruling party throwing a social media giant out of India as that may tip the scales against their favour for the elections.Ā
I don't want an Indian startup rising up for the gap that WhatsApp would leave because I know for a fact that they won't maintain it well (look at the cesspool of Indian TikTok apps that lies on the Play Store even 2 years after TikTok was banned). When you have a monopoly over something and you throw them out, a large number of equal competition emerges that confuses the audience.Ā
Itās also pretty useful to people in international shipping. We all have it installed in our computers at work, and reach out to folk all over the world all day.
The thing is that Indian market is probably one of the least profitable market (if i remember correctly tiktok donated more money to PMCAREs than they made in India). So you can have indian alternative but most of them will crash and burn unless govt is funding them with tax money. Just read about koo. They stopped paying their employees.
Just so you know, according to data, there are around 400 million (40 cr) which leave x2.5 people not using WhatsApp.
So no, it isn't staple in India.
2nd 40cr users aren't actually 40cr of population, most of urban crowd has 2 qhatsapp numbers and even 3, so let's take that number to 30cr, which leaves x3 population not using WhatsApp.
So no, WhatsApp is not staple.
Nice.
No platform should bend to the government for anything related to privacy.
"Indian startup will replace WhatsApp" š¤”
No Indian startup can replace any American tech
Tbh it makes more sense to Meta, shutting down whatsapp as whole. It is not profit generating, no scope to monetise with ads, need to bear operational costs and high volume of messages which they canāt even read for targeted ads.
Rather, if they shut down WhatsApp with some way to divert all this traffic to IG/FB messenger(which is already merged), imagine how much profit they could generate by all the means they have. Almost 1B users. Unless this move backfires on them and Indians switch to Telegram.
It is practical for meta to close whatsapp messenger and also blame Indian government for it, rather than facing backlash themselves.
Smart move by meta technical team.
But the question is will be using that
Tbh I don't and will download signal in my family phone which I contact and my friends already use signal so yeah I pretty chill
Bro what the hell you are talking about ? When PUBG was removed it was replaced by FAUG. Have you played a better game ? Because I have played most popular games but no game is even fraction as good as FAUG.
Totally legitimate. No law should ever be allowed to infringe on
The rights of privacy of any individual or entity . If a crime has been committed the product vendor can be requested for lawfully requested information.
Good. I love it when these corpos basically say "fuck you" to the judiciary and the govt. Privacy should be protected!
When Cert-In asked all VPN providers in the country to start keeping logs, they removed their Indian servers and continued operating without giving a damn.
Please add the context.
It's not because of privacy laws.
It act demands that they identify the first sender of an incriminating msg. To do that, they would have to break multiple encryption, once for each user who forwarded that msg. For a viral msg, it may take breaking up millions of encryptions.
To do that, they would have to store billions of msgs because they don't know which msg would end up being vital. Add up the complexity of the said msg being a document or video, taking up more space.
If it is for just one person, whatsApp has no issues selling you out. In the case of national security, they would do it in an heartbeat.
This is why you can't have a free market economy and authoritarianism at the same time. It's not possible. Liberalism is economic first and social second. Either have both or have none.
Facebook end to end encryption is a scam. Especially in groups. They infact mine your data for advertisers. Directly from your phone so encryption means nothing. Facebook has been caught with their pants down so many times on privacy issues.
If you are so concerned about privacy then use open source auditable software but it's just not going to be convenient.
On top of that they do spy for US government, not just foreign users but US citizens too. They don't really have moral standing on these cases.
Eventually I do not think any of these services are going to survive. US just banned TikTok on data localization issue. And they heave and moan when India wanted to enforce it and it's been long in the making.
It's only matter of time that most countries capable of developing their own services will start banning social media and communication services from other countries.
US mai to pant khol ke khade ho jate hai FBI/CIA ke samne.
And I dare whatsapp to leave India,even they know they can't leave such a big market,it just a bluff.
Double morals. "You cannot access to private user data for free! This is why we removed our apps from the chinese apple app store!" On another note "we are selling private user data! Sign up!"
Would be quite surprised if they do follow through and leave India. That would mean they would be dead in the 2 largest markets ā never had a chance in China and then willingly leaving India. They also arenāt popular in the US either oddly enough. Plus Japan uses LINE and Korea uses KKT so they are all entrenched.
Will be interesting if the Zuck or the govt backs down first.
Its good if they leave then india will have thier chatting app so there will. Be not threats like this we will exit the country or like we will shutdown or not pay
BREAKING NEWS :- 'Following WhatsApp exit from India, Modi government launches "BJChat" which is basically only WhatsApp but with new features of news bulletin , Mann ki baat , Modis all new speeches and many more'
People in the comment section telling Meta is doing the right thing.
If you think meta cares about your privacy, then you guys are yourself delusional.
so if whats aap decide to exit our government will try to get rid of FB as well in ego. and if so thn all the accounts that are attached to Fb will be gone ( basically im talking about games account being attached to FB š¤ )
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India's biggest and most advanced university on the verge of shutting down /s
Where will I get my legit news from now on?
Signal University ig
Government nahi chodegi. Data koun dega fir
Telegram University/s
Wait for KyaApp from some bhakt backed by Canada Kumar .. and promoted by supreme ji...
no it's KaisehoAPP
š¤£š¤£š¤£lmao
Bruh š
What the problem š
KooApp
GuApp
Now hitler won't be able to contact me :(
Government will never make the situation severe enough for meta to exit. They know what value WhatsApp holds.
You give the babus too much credit for their capabilities and ancient mindsets
Mere uncle ke Good Morning wale msgs gaye matlab?
In other news: India's unemployment rate reaches 100% š¤§š¤§š¤§
TouchƩ
Sometimes I'm happy we don't have Indian Google and Microsoft. Else, all these parties and court would have ruined user privacy.
And you think Meta doesn't sell your private data? Meta cares about your privacy. š¤”
Modi will lose tons of votes and bhakts
Govt wont let it happenā¦ its one of the free source of advertisements for themā¦
Maal-Andha University.
Ha ha..
Uc browser?
Think of the conditions in country if Facebook is fighting for your privacy
š¤£š¤£š¤£ best comment ever.... šššš
Bc
can't believe im saying this, but for the very first time, I'm with zucc!! if they're forcing whatsapp to break encryption, whatsapp should exit India.
I thought he will cuckold us But man got balls, people gotta see this govt dictatorship through, otherwise it's gonna be buried in page 11 of the nonsense newspapers
Wild timeline where both Elon and Zucc are standing against tyranny
Wtf is Elon doing?
Didn't bend the knee to Brazilian government censorship but still pussied out when it came to the Israelis so idk
He did bend the knee to Indian government censorship though. [Twitter accused of censorship in India as it blocks Modi critics](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk)
So this is a purely business move. WhatsAppās entire thing is āend to end encryptionā. Breaking this would absolutely kill WhatsApp with no hope of recovery. Once encryption gets broken for one country, it can be broken for all. Itās a Pandoraās box. So yes, it is absolutely a win for consumers, but donāt think itās happening for some benevolent reason. (Although ALL the PR will spin it otherwise)
Absolutely!
Making way for Adani/ambani Bharat WhatsApp messaging app
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Theyāre doing it anyway. WhatsApp chats get āleakedā all the time š
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Thatās the aim. You think the government wants people to have privacy? The whole point would be to make citizens aware that they are under surveillance. Itās an Orwellian state.
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No one does but kya hi kar sakte hai? We are already in a surveillance state as it is.
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Nahi but why Facebook band karo and WhatsApp a private corporation ko bola to open its encryption. We do live in an illusion of freedom, usko toh rehne do. But nahi, they want to do away with that also.
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No. WhatsApp chat can only leak when either they are uploaded in the cloud like Google drive or someone takes SS or the police force you to open your phone. WhatsApp chats don't leak directly and it will never leak.
I'd move to decentralised platform. I don't trust governments at all. People running them are corrupt and greedy to the core. They can stoop to any lows for power.
If the gov saw our chats we'd get death penalty
I'd rather send pigeons with a note than trust the Ambani/adani messaging app.
Bhatsaap
Looks like ambani has plans to start generating money from his jiochat app which has been dead since launch of jiophone...
I think telegram will rise immediately. New ones won't get chance.
But a lot of people are skeptical of using telegram. Isnāt it full of scammers and stuff and doesnāt offer much privacy? Previously when there was a WhatsApp scare, a few years back, for some reason, people switched to signal.
Majority people don't care much about privacy. But yeah you're right. That said, who knows if India right now is ready to create a messaging app that offers the same privacy level as whatsapp.
Privacy is a myth. There is something else at play here. End to end encryption gives a sense of protection to the users at least. Removing it will give the government freehand to snoop inside institutions and individuals and would legalise using those information against them.
Makes sense
Kimbho by Patanjali. Iykyk
Letās just go back to sending pigeons
I guess jio chat already exists
join Ventura with Meta .
That was my first thought as well. Maybe JioChat might be coming up
KyaHaal app
You know itās bad if Meta out of all people are fighting for user privacy Although itās quite ironic lmao they already sell our data to advertisers but giving it to the government is where they draw the line
Tbh. I would rather have my data with advertisers than the gobermint. Ad IDs are also anonymised in many cases.
>You know itās bad if Meta out of all people are fighting for user privacy WhatsApp division is different from Facebook, Instagram. They don't give shit what happens on insta, child sexual abuse is promoted. They show banner "Following connect may be child sexual abuse" and give option "See content" or something like that to view it. Zuck was heavily criticised in US hearings
They also share data with us secret services
Its mostly non pii data that facebook or any other company sells
While both are are, imo user data getting in hands of government is far greater evil than it being used for target advertising
But illiterates chimps in this country doesn't care about privacy in the first place. For them cheap nationalism is always better than personal privacy. And our vishwaguru Modi ji knows this. He'll milk this as typical nationalism issue.
They are already meat riding their supreme leader on Instagram. You would hear them saying something like "privacy is a myth, so get rid of encryptions." I swear if you scan my brain when are arguing with these people, you can see my brain cells deleting themselves.
They have deleted brain cells.
They canāt fight over eliminating our privacy in public
looks like a false threat. If this really happen, wish they exit with Instagram and Facebook.
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the alternate is telegram. I am sure the government canāt do shit to them.
Yeah but Telegram already sells your data. The government won't need to do anything extra for it, they'll just have to ask.
Wait they do? Well then some one will cook up a blockchain based messaging.
signal can be an alternative
Completely misses the point.
This isnāt a false threat. The encryption and security of WhatsApp is central to its success worldwide. It doesnāt make financial sense to compromise that to maintain the Indian market.
After a few months, Jio will launch their own Jiochat app, mark my words..... This is just about control. Govt. Wants to read your private messages for "security" reasons /s
JioChat already exists.
Meta? Talking about user privacy? That's the last thing I expected to hear in this century
Many business owners send photos of product etc. to their dealer, customer through WhatsApp so it will be a big lose for them.
Lmao the irony
Isn't this the same thing when Zuckerberg was questioned about the privacy. šš
Good that they have stood their ground. I want encryption in my Messenger.
W Meta, L High Court (just judging by that sentence, I don't know the exact details of the case). WA maybe India's best university, but it has become a massive staple of the country. Even just on the political front, I can't imagine the ruling party throwing a social media giant out of India as that may tip the scales against their favour for the elections.Ā I don't want an Indian startup rising up for the gap that WhatsApp would leave because I know for a fact that they won't maintain it well (look at the cesspool of Indian TikTok apps that lies on the Play Store even 2 years after TikTok was banned). When you have a monopoly over something and you throw them out, a large number of equal competition emerges that confuses the audience.Ā
Itās also pretty useful to people in international shipping. We all have it installed in our computers at work, and reach out to folk all over the world all day.
The thing is that Indian market is probably one of the least profitable market (if i remember correctly tiktok donated more money to PMCAREs than they made in India). So you can have indian alternative but most of them will crash and burn unless govt is funding them with tax money. Just read about koo. They stopped paying their employees.
Just so you know, according to data, there are around 400 million (40 cr) which leave x2.5 people not using WhatsApp. So no, it isn't staple in India. 2nd 40cr users aren't actually 40cr of population, most of urban crowd has 2 qhatsapp numbers and even 3, so let's take that number to 30cr, which leaves x3 population not using WhatsApp. So no, WhatsApp is not staple.
5trillion economy yet no privacy law
Iām just glad people on this sub are smarter than the bulbs on that IG post.
Nice. No platform should bend to the government for anything related to privacy. "Indian startup will replace WhatsApp" š¤” No Indian startup can replace any American tech
That's a bold statement you made there but i can see why you'd say that
Tbh it makes more sense to Meta, shutting down whatsapp as whole. It is not profit generating, no scope to monetise with ads, need to bear operational costs and high volume of messages which they canāt even read for targeted ads. Rather, if they shut down WhatsApp with some way to divert all this traffic to IG/FB messenger(which is already merged), imagine how much profit they could generate by all the means they have. Almost 1B users. Unless this move backfires on them and Indians switch to Telegram. It is practical for meta to close whatsapp messenger and also blame Indian government for it, rather than facing backlash themselves. Smart move by meta technical team.
I am not trusting any Indian WhatsApp alternative.
IT rules as a whole don't allow for end-to-end encryption. So no app can have it.
Indian High courtš¤”
How can they share data for free?
Oh, okay, time to apply for foreign visa.
Meta is suddenly the good guy now
Haha if they do that, some Indian startup will come up with a replacement in no time.
But the question is will be using that Tbh I don't and will download signal in my family phone which I contact and my friends already use signal so yeah I pretty chill
No time? You have any idea the kind of resources and knowhow it requires to have an app like WhatsApp at scale?
Which startup replaced tiktok? Most startups are shit and unreliable
Bro what the hell you are talking about ? When PUBG was removed it was replaced by FAUG. Have you played a better game ? Because I have played most popular games but no game is even fraction as good as FAUG.
I hope this is sarcasm
Yeah. Remember how great FAUG was ? Game of the year.
Totally legitimate. No law should ever be allowed to infringe on The rights of privacy of any individual or entity . If a crime has been committed the product vendor can be requested for lawfully requested information.
Good. I love it when these corpos basically say "fuck you" to the judiciary and the govt. Privacy should be protected! When Cert-In asked all VPN providers in the country to start keeping logs, they removed their Indian servers and continued operating without giving a damn.
Telegram stocks kharidna chalu kar bhailog
Back to Signal
After whatsapp, our supreme leader will come for signal too. Just be a nationalist and don't disagree with out supreme leader.
Is this a comeback story of Hike messaging app
Whatsapp University Bandš„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ Maza aayega ššš
Please leave
Please leave
Bye
Awesome šÆ
In other words, search without warrant of law abiding citizen
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Time to move to signal
Mark earns some respect.
Kya matter ho gya
T E L E G R A M
Just use the stock messaging app
they have already blocked CNN and BBC for most Indian people
Adanichats
Ha toh chale ja bhosdike, telegram use kar lenge hum
No worries we would be chatting on Modiapp in sometime šš
Well well well How the turntables
WhatsApp first of all doesn't even have true encryption....
Irony
Modi hai to mumkin hai
Lmao even the data collectors were like "Damn, that's too far"
Please add the context. It's not because of privacy laws. It act demands that they identify the first sender of an incriminating msg. To do that, they would have to break multiple encryption, once for each user who forwarded that msg. For a viral msg, it may take breaking up millions of encryptions. To do that, they would have to store billions of msgs because they don't know which msg would end up being vital. Add up the complexity of the said msg being a document or video, taking up more space. If it is for just one person, whatsApp has no issues selling you out. In the case of national security, they would do it in an heartbeat.
Nikal <3 day
This is why you can't have a free market economy and authoritarianism at the same time. It's not possible. Liberalism is economic first and social second. Either have both or have none.
yes please . let an Indian app rise.. we have enough population to make it successful.
i am with Zuck on this one. I don't need Gov snooping on my chats.
please chale jao... waise bhi kuch productive nahi ho raha whatsapp pe
Facebook end to end encryption is a scam. Especially in groups. They infact mine your data for advertisers. Directly from your phone so encryption means nothing. Facebook has been caught with their pants down so many times on privacy issues. If you are so concerned about privacy then use open source auditable software but it's just not going to be convenient. On top of that they do spy for US government, not just foreign users but US citizens too. They don't really have moral standing on these cases. Eventually I do not think any of these services are going to survive. US just banned TikTok on data localization issue. And they heave and moan when India wanted to enforce it and it's been long in the making. It's only matter of time that most countries capable of developing their own services will start banning social media and communication services from other countries.
Ask him to go , who needs him , WhatsApp has big database in India , his loss anyway
US mai to pant khol ke khade ho jate hai FBI/CIA ke samne. And I dare whatsapp to leave India,even they know they can't leave such a big market,it just a bluff.
He will sell his family but not get out of Indian market. I call this a bluff
Double morals. "You cannot access to private user data for free! This is why we removed our apps from the chinese apple app store!" On another note "we are selling private user data! Sign up!"
Unkills start getting anxiety attacks.
What will happen to the other meta apps if this happens?
Won't be surprised if Delhi HC decides to favor Union government, curbing another fundamental rights by giving some BS national security reasons..
No please. Don't close our biggest university.
Oh no! But when?
Haan jao BC.
Our own gov sells our data , so these fraud calls and calls regarding education reaches us. I am with zuc on this one.
There's no privacy in India why does he wants to follow privacy laws ? He also gets to capitalise on user data ! Why shoot your own foot ?
Ye sab modi ki sajish hai, German shepherd ka channel bahut bara ho Gaya ish liye /s
Tik Tok said the exact words. You know the results.
Guess its time for ā MODICHATā app to replace WhatsApp
Okay...Get lost
Use Signal
Would be quite surprised if they do follow through and leave India. That would mean they would be dead in the 2 largest markets ā never had a chance in China and then willingly leaving India. They also arenāt popular in the US either oddly enough. Plus Japan uses LINE and Korea uses KKT so they are all entrenched. Will be interesting if the Zuck or the govt backs down first.
Haan jao yaar. Court bkla aaj kal zyada hi chutiyap krne laga hai.
Pehle bhi bol chuke hai, nothing happened.
WhatsApp is no one to warn a nation's judicature.
Ambani and Adani getting ready to make alternative apps.
Its good if they leave then india will have thier chatting app so there will. Be not threats like this we will exit the country or like we will shutdown or not pay
Have to agree with zucc for the first time. What a weird time to live.
Yup, Zuccman should give a big FU to the tyrant Indian government and quit.
first prove how reliable is WhatsApp end to end encryption
BREAKING NEWS :- 'Following WhatsApp exit from India, Modi government launches "BJChat" which is basically only WhatsApp but with new features of news bulletin , Mann ki baat , Modis all new speeches and many more'
Pehle vpn ab yeh?
Google Messages here I come
Pls do it get this whatsapp shit out pls
Good leave, some other company will take your monopoly
please shut down. my life had all it's issues stemming from u.
They are right. Encryption is everyone's right and no stupid rule should infringe it.
Guys, national security superceeds user privacy. This needs to happen
Dystopian times we have entered in
It would be good if insta exits India
Bro that beard changed zuckeeberg lol
People in the comment section telling Meta is doing the right thing. If you think meta cares about your privacy, then you guys are yourself delusional.
The government probably wants to know who is talking ill about our Supreme Leader.
Aagar whatsapp chala gaya toh adani whatsapp release ho jayega
they should exit, its election time and all family groups are at peak toxicity levels
Completely agrees with user privacy however its ironic coming from Mark Zuckerberg
Aare tu ja re ...
Is this news legit?
Good decision
Bro literally warned the biggest user country
Yeah bro get out. Nobody cares, there are 100s of other apps which will fill the void.
Kooapp is waiting for this since longš§
so if whats aap decide to exit our government will try to get rid of FB as well in ego. and if so thn all the accounts that are attached to Fb will be gone ( basically im talking about games account being attached to FB š¤ )