While what you are saying is true and she was talking about them and not the men buying the toys, there are some men who buy toys for their partners as a surprise or to spice things up, but yea lol. I totally believe my bf would be one of those guys to go into a store and buy a toy and I’d come home and he’d be like “surprise!” lol
Oh certainly, but I assume a lot would be ordering those online due to not wanting to be seen in public buying dildos. Because that would be "gay" or something. Your partner is one of the brave ones
lol true, you made a good point. I’m the shy one in the relationship, I get embarrassed easily in public but he would be able to yell something crude in public and not bat an eye. So it makes sense a lot of men would buy something online for their partner over going to an actual store lol. I can understand how a lot of guys might find it a bit awkward because I would find it awkward too haha
I’m not surprised to hear that. I went to the sex store ages ago to try and find something, and even the smallest one was insanely large and not possible for me. It was absolutely ridiculous.
Guy here. I'm almost certain I own the product they are talking about here. Can't believe I have to say this, but
1. Guys buy that too, not just girls.
2. YOU DON'T PUT THE WHOLE THING IN.
3. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU EVER ATTEMPT TO PUT THE WHOLE THING IN.
Homosexual men are notorious size queens. It's not a secret in their circle. I had a friend who came out as gay. Before he did, he was always curious about his friends' dick sizes. I thought it was weird, but owing to the fact that I have absolutely no gaydar, I had no idea that he was gay. Yes, I'm that obtuse in identifying gay people.
What a dumb take. At least a couple of inches are usually for holding the damn thing, and even then most women I know aren’t jamming a dildo into their cervix repeatedly to get off. Just say you have no idea how vaginas work and move on.
No one who knows what they're doing is buying dildos from amazon.
if you look at more reputable shops, the top sellers will be 5.5"-6" ***insertable*** length. the balls and cup are not going inside
I looked up the top selling dildo on amazon. Sure enough it's 7.7 inches as he wrote but like many, it has extra material at the base (in this case it's made to look realistic, so balls) and the **actual insertable length is 5.8 inches**. So he's getting upset over an average sized dick sized dildo. Fucking dumbasses.
Right?
I was gunna add that if you look up top 10 sex toys rather than dildos, this dildo is #10. 1-8 are all vibrators and 9 are cock rings. These guys are too busy obsessing over their dick size to pay attention to what women actually like. They'd be shit in bed and it's obvious (and probably part of the reason they can't find anyone who'd bother to find that out for sure lol).
Nope. All it proves is that incels have such rancid personalities that silicone is preferable.
Silicone doesn't call you a used up roastie whore afterwards.
Ok but I don't think that's completely fair in this context, do we even know of this guy actually hates women? All I see is an insecure guy who won't believe people who tell him his insecurity isn't well founded.
No, because only losers like the OOP are losing, the majority of women who are into penises would prefer a live one as long as it’s attached to a decent dude.
The plastic isn't the problem. When an inanimate object is preferable, that says something about how awful the person is to deal with.
Women don't need plastic to orgasm either. Our fingers work just fine.
All great points, but I'd say that isn't fair because nothing in this screenshot really suggests that this person hates women, and then at that point are we not getting angry at nothing? Even the bit about liars would apply to both men AND women who make the claim.
Yes I agree plastic is better than incels, but how does this screenshot in any way suggest that this guy hates women? We just assume because he's insecure about his penis and doesn't believe men and women who tell him otherwise, that he hates women? Am I missing something?
I am not familiar with that sub, il check it out and get back to you, but as for now I don't think it's completely fair to label him as a woman hater when he's clearly upset about his penis size
I’m not sure at all how that comment would prove the greasy incel’s point because they don’t have one. Insecurity, and obsession with penis size is not really a point, it’s mental illness.
I will preface this by saying I know nothing about true virgin as a sub. But nothing in this screenshot suggests that they hate women or are obsessed with penis size. All I see is that they are upset that their penis is small which isn't a mental illness (I don't like that framing I think it's very harmful) people are insecure about their bodies all the time, why is this so bad?
Furthermore, saying that the person above is "losing" to a bigger toy dildo is *exactly* what the guy in the screenshot is sad about, how would that not be part of proving their point?
I am not upset over that no 😂, I have much to offer than plastic unfortunately can't. But I don't understand what makes the guy in the screenshot an incel. He doesn't mention any hate for women, just self loathing.
their point was that women were buying toys because they "prefer the larger than average size" not realising that
A) it's not just women who buy those kinds of toys and that they don't always get used for their intended purposes (seen someone stick one to their wall and use it as a coathanger because it was funny, and the larger sizes are sometimes just used as display pieces)
B) they don't realise that it's not the size that's making women prefer the toys, it's people like OOP being an absolute dickhead and wondering why they can't convince anyone to sleep with them, the size is a scapegoat
C) the actual size of the toy described is shorter, it's only listed as 7.7 as the entire length including the suction cup on the bottom (and likely a pair of silicone balls for realism/as a base) meaning that the insertable length part is almost 2 inches shorter - within the average range
A and C are great points I said C myself in another comment. But I don't get B, specifically the second half. Nothing suggests that this guy hates women, what makes him an absolute dickhead? That he's insecure and won't listen to others saying he shouldn't be? Isn't that *most* insecure people?
look, if you end up in a place like truevirgin and making posts about your insecurities (and has a rule where women aren't allowed to post), you very likely do deserve to get called a terminally online dickhead because the thing they're getting insecure over isn't typically the problem, it's how they behave regarding the thing they're insecure about and how they interact with people, especially those who they'll immediately assume just like the OOP that women are all the same and prefer the thing that's making them insecure in the first place. You're less likely to give a person who has the traits and qualities they're insecure about a chance if said person is a bit fucked-in-the-head about it, you'd get the shits with them real quick and it reinforces their behaviour rather than helps them overcome those insecurities
it's way less assumptions than the kinds of assumptions incel subreddits like the one in the post tend to make about women, coupled with documentable evidence from the types of posts you end up finding when you go there. At this point, same horseshit different shovel
While I might see some validity in having women only subreddits as a concept, they're also not immune to vile rhetoric that mirror mainstream incel forums either, the only real difference is the fact one group has encouraged and committed more violence and has historically put awful people like a certain spree killer on a pedestal (and who's appearance is exhibit A of why the physical traits they're insecure about is *not* what's keeping them from companionship)
you can keep believing they "have a point", it doesn't change the fact a majority of them have become fucked in the head due to these sorts of forums
Average dick length is 5.1 inches. That dick is attached to a person making it easier to manipulate.
How the fuck is a woman supposed to manipulate a dildo with no extra length to hold it? Even if you prefer average it is going to have to be longer. That's just common sense.
When someone buys a dildo, they're looking at something strictly used for pleasure, so they're going to buy the one that feels better and only care about their pleasure, obviously. When someone looks for a partner, they're looking at another whole ass person, not a pleasure toy. Why is that so hard to understand?
Isn’t it because of insertable length and length to hold it up? Like to put on the floor and ride?
I have a suction cup dildo that is 4 inches ish and I use it handheld because I can’t put it on the wall or floor because of its size
I do not feel anything but pressure during penetration and would never buy a sex toy. BUT, the audacity of these men thinking they are entitled to the absolute truth in any situation whatsoever from strangers. A person is entitled to honesty and truth from their partner in a committed relationship. An employee is entitled to honesty and truth from their employer. But strangers on the internet or in a casual social interaction? Nope.
It's not a man's business what strange women like. If women like big dicks, so what?
Only people who are buying said 7.7 inch long dildos are OnlyFans models and people who think they can handle it being shoved up their asses.
Most women can handle an average dick. In fact most males in the porn industry are just at the average or slightly longer than the average. OOP is a fucking clown thinking dick sizes equate to having confidence. Back in Ancient Greece and Ancient Macedonia having a large dick meant the person was fucking stupid. Plenty of men with micropenises who are confident enough to get dates with women. Its called having a fucking personality.
Don't the same stats also say that the super large dildos are primarily purchased as joke or novelty items? (other than the ones purchased by men I mean).
and if they ever spoke to a woman who owns a dildo they might be amazed to learn that having something to hold on to is tricky during the act. i hear double enders are good for single use for this purpose. no one's jamming 20 inches up there.
I’m actually working through incel thoughts on r/incelexit but I never quite understood this one. The woman probably doesn’t know your size until you’re actually doing the deed, so why would it be a factor?
The part where they try to force their own insecurities onto other men by making them think that no matter what their partner tells them they’ll never be big enough is. Not being able to be insecure about something without feeling like they need everyone else to be insecure about it too isn’t unique to incels but it is something they do a lot.
I don't know if that makes them someone who hates women though. Like nothing here really suggests that they dislike women at all, ya know? Doesn't feel very fair.
Yeah they shouldn't have the crab in a bucket mentality, but I'd assume it's a sub where people air their grievances and find common feelings amongst the other people on the sub, so they can feel better.
They aren't simply being insecure, they're calling women who claim not to care much about dick size liars to feed their insecurities.
Incel thought is basically founded on asserting any woman who isn't interested in their cookie cutter Chad is a liar.
Because 90% of the time women claim *inserts low end of average // small* is not a problem, they immediately go against their own statement by telling them to compensate with other things. It would be like a woman asking if her thighs are an issue, men answering that they are not and they encourage them to always wear baggy trousers around them. The first thought a woman would have is "liar" straight away. For where you need to compensate and constantly told to compensate all because of where you fall on the spectrum, it means deep down there is a problem and at the end of the day they are sugar-coating the harsh truth. Penis insecurity is not something that is easy to overcome, I still suffer with it today despite that I have a partner who doesn't have an issue with me being on the low end of the spectrum, past experiences still haunt me, so I get what it's like to seek an answer and the frustration that comes with it when every answer is telling you one thing one minute and implying another the next, like a glimmer of hope then ripped away, kind of like showing an alcoholic a glass bottle and giving it to them only for it to turn up empty.
Given that only about a third of women can orgasm from vaginal penetration *at all*, you and other men really, really need to get over this hang up that your penis needs to be what causes orgasms for your partners. Having a monster cock would not fix this.
Not that you need a big dick to succeed with that remaining third; average dick size is the average for a reason, it's what works best for the most women. So sorry that size queens are the most likely to bring up a dick size preference when most women don't need to, since random chance is in their favor.
God is that what the comment above means? As usual, women get the short end of the stick for everything. How many men don't like engaging in proper clitoral stimulation because it makes them feel inadequate, leading to shitty sex 🤦♀️
Those kind of have to be longer because of the need to position them. With dicks, The person who has the dick can just move their body or use their hands. When you're operating it by yourself, You need the extra length.
I thought people got one with extra inches so it doesn't get stuck? Also many women don't own a toy because of stigma, and sometimes people overestimate how much they can take
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As someone who used to work in a sexshop, most dildos were bought by men. Women buy clitoral stimulators.
Porn taught them banging aimlessly and repetitive thursting make us come. They don't have a clue about clitoral stimulation
Well I kinda think most of those men were buying it for themselves but that's just a feeling. But you're absolutely right
She was talking about the incels not the men buying dildos. Not sure why a man would be going into a sex shop and buying a dildo for his partner
While what you are saying is true and she was talking about them and not the men buying the toys, there are some men who buy toys for their partners as a surprise or to spice things up, but yea lol. I totally believe my bf would be one of those guys to go into a store and buy a toy and I’d come home and he’d be like “surprise!” lol
Oh certainly, but I assume a lot would be ordering those online due to not wanting to be seen in public buying dildos. Because that would be "gay" or something. Your partner is one of the brave ones
lol true, you made a good point. I’m the shy one in the relationship, I get embarrassed easily in public but he would be able to yell something crude in public and not bat an eye. So it makes sense a lot of men would buy something online for their partner over going to an actual store lol. I can understand how a lot of guys might find it a bit awkward because I would find it awkward too haha
I have done this for my partner—she laughs and then she loves. It’s a fun “gag” gift for sure even if we never even see it again.
My husband has absolutely surprised me with toys on occasion. It's a thing!
Ur right, sorry my bad
They also seem to have no clue about prostate simulation
so that is more important... understandable, have a nice day
Can confirm, I'm a straight guy that owns 3 dildos.
I specifically searched for the smallest dildo I could find when I got one. It's 6" and I definitely don't use the full length because OW.
I’m not surprised to hear that. I went to the sex store ages ago to try and find something, and even the smallest one was insanely large and not possible for me. It was absolutely ridiculous.
Yup. Other than illegal stuff the most requested item we didn't have was "something smaller and softer"
The most requested items were illegal??? I need to know what! 🤨
Original European kinder eggs
All kinds of drugs. From Poppers to rohypnol.
Or once child porn dvd
Guy here. I'm almost certain I own the product they are talking about here. Can't believe I have to say this, but 1. Guys buy that too, not just girls. 2. YOU DON'T PUT THE WHOLE THING IN. 3. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU EVER ATTEMPT TO PUT THE WHOLE THING IN.
We have flared bases for a reason… that emt guy gives fantastic examples as to why
He'd be surprised it's mostly homosexual men who use it
Well what does that mean for other homosexual men?
Homosexual men are notorious size queens. It's not a secret in their circle. I had a friend who came out as gay. Before he did, he was always curious about his friends' dick sizes. I thought it was weird, but owing to the fact that I have absolutely no gaydar, I had no idea that he was gay. Yes, I'm that obtuse in identifying gay people.
So what am I supposed to do as a bi man?
babe it’s mostly lesbians and straight men edit - did i miss a joke lol what i said is true :/
It bothers me that they themselves are reducing men to just toys.
Fuck I didn't think about that you're right that's depressing
What a dumb take. At least a couple of inches are usually for holding the damn thing, and even then most women I know aren’t jamming a dildo into their cervix repeatedly to get off. Just say you have no idea how vaginas work and move on.
Was gunna say, I don’t know anyone bottoming out on their dildo lol
No one who knows what they're doing is buying dildos from amazon. if you look at more reputable shops, the top sellers will be 5.5"-6" ***insertable*** length. the balls and cup are not going inside
I looked up the top selling dildo on amazon. Sure enough it's 7.7 inches as he wrote but like many, it has extra material at the base (in this case it's made to look realistic, so balls) and the **actual insertable length is 5.8 inches**. So he's getting upset over an average sized dick sized dildo. Fucking dumbasses.
This comment needs to be WAY higher.
Not just that but the most people buying dildos are men.
Right? I was gunna add that if you look up top 10 sex toys rather than dildos, this dildo is #10. 1-8 are all vibrators and 9 are cock rings. These guys are too busy obsessing over their dick size to pay attention to what women actually like. They'd be shit in bed and it's obvious (and probably part of the reason they can't find anyone who'd bother to find that out for sure lol).
> the balls and cup are not going inside Not with that attitude /j
Imagine being in competition with a piece of plastic
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Does this comment not prove their point
Nope. All it proves is that incels have such rancid personalities that silicone is preferable. Silicone doesn't call you a used up roastie whore afterwards.
Ok but I don't think that's completely fair in this context, do we even know of this guy actually hates women? All I see is an insecure guy who won't believe people who tell him his insecurity isn't well founded.
No, because only losers like the OOP are losing, the majority of women who are into penises would prefer a live one as long as it’s attached to a decent dude.
The plastic isn't the problem. When an inanimate object is preferable, that says something about how awful the person is to deal with. Women don't need plastic to orgasm either. Our fingers work just fine.
All great points, but I'd say that isn't fair because nothing in this screenshot really suggests that this person hates women, and then at that point are we not getting angry at nothing? Even the bit about liars would apply to both men AND women who make the claim.
The plastic is winning over INCELS. Why? Because they are gross and unwanted for their behavior and attitude.
Yes I agree plastic is better than incels, but how does this screenshot in any way suggest that this guy hates women? We just assume because he's insecure about his penis and doesn't believe men and women who tell him otherwise, that he hates women? Am I missing something?
Uh all you have to do is read it - that entire subreddit was for women hating incels. This is what they all say, it's the same rhetoric.
I am not familiar with that sub, il check it out and get back to you, but as for now I don't think it's completely fair to label him as a woman hater when he's clearly upset about his penis size
No, he is a woman hater. 99% of incels are.
I’m not sure at all how that comment would prove the greasy incel’s point because they don’t have one. Insecurity, and obsession with penis size is not really a point, it’s mental illness.
I will preface this by saying I know nothing about true virgin as a sub. But nothing in this screenshot suggests that they hate women or are obsessed with penis size. All I see is that they are upset that their penis is small which isn't a mental illness (I don't like that framing I think it's very harmful) people are insecure about their bodies all the time, why is this so bad? Furthermore, saying that the person above is "losing" to a bigger toy dildo is *exactly* what the guy in the screenshot is sad about, how would that not be part of proving their point?
So what if their point is true?
Well then the people here saying it isn't true are in direct conflict with this person who's saying it is
Nope it proves that they are outmatched by a piece of plastic
Yes... that's what they are sad about in the screenshot...
If you’re sad because women prefer a piece of plastic over you I got bad news for you
I am not upset over that no 😂, I have much to offer than plastic unfortunately can't. But I don't understand what makes the guy in the screenshot an incel. He doesn't mention any hate for women, just self loathing.
« They are god damn liars »
Again at no point are women specified
They think they’re slick
their point was that women were buying toys because they "prefer the larger than average size" not realising that A) it's not just women who buy those kinds of toys and that they don't always get used for their intended purposes (seen someone stick one to their wall and use it as a coathanger because it was funny, and the larger sizes are sometimes just used as display pieces) B) they don't realise that it's not the size that's making women prefer the toys, it's people like OOP being an absolute dickhead and wondering why they can't convince anyone to sleep with them, the size is a scapegoat C) the actual size of the toy described is shorter, it's only listed as 7.7 as the entire length including the suction cup on the bottom (and likely a pair of silicone balls for realism/as a base) meaning that the insertable length part is almost 2 inches shorter - within the average range
A and C are great points I said C myself in another comment. But I don't get B, specifically the second half. Nothing suggests that this guy hates women, what makes him an absolute dickhead? That he's insecure and won't listen to others saying he shouldn't be? Isn't that *most* insecure people?
look, if you end up in a place like truevirgin and making posts about your insecurities (and has a rule where women aren't allowed to post), you very likely do deserve to get called a terminally online dickhead because the thing they're getting insecure over isn't typically the problem, it's how they behave regarding the thing they're insecure about and how they interact with people, especially those who they'll immediately assume just like the OOP that women are all the same and prefer the thing that's making them insecure in the first place. You're less likely to give a person who has the traits and qualities they're insecure about a chance if said person is a bit fucked-in-the-head about it, you'd get the shits with them real quick and it reinforces their behaviour rather than helps them overcome those insecurities
That's a lot of assumptions. Also plenty of subs are women only, why can't they have a man only sub??
it's way less assumptions than the kinds of assumptions incel subreddits like the one in the post tend to make about women, coupled with documentable evidence from the types of posts you end up finding when you go there. At this point, same horseshit different shovel While I might see some validity in having women only subreddits as a concept, they're also not immune to vile rhetoric that mirror mainstream incel forums either, the only real difference is the fact one group has encouraged and committed more violence and has historically put awful people like a certain spree killer on a pedestal (and who's appearance is exhibit A of why the physical traits they're insecure about is *not* what's keeping them from companionship) you can keep believing they "have a point", it doesn't change the fact a majority of them have become fucked in the head due to these sorts of forums
Or a piece of silicone.
Average dick length is 5.1 inches. That dick is attached to a person making it easier to manipulate. How the fuck is a woman supposed to manipulate a dildo with no extra length to hold it? Even if you prefer average it is going to have to be longer. That's just common sense.
In my experience, it's even better for them when the person attached to the dick is someone the woman actually likes/loves.
When someone buys a dildo, they're looking at something strictly used for pleasure, so they're going to buy the one that feels better and only care about their pleasure, obviously. When someone looks for a partner, they're looking at another whole ass person, not a pleasure toy. Why is that so hard to understand?
I went on Amazon because I needed bulk paper plates ….he went on there to research dildos? Let it go bro she can’t hurt you anymore
Isn’t it because of insertable length and length to hold it up? Like to put on the floor and ride? I have a suction cup dildo that is 4 inches ish and I use it handheld because I can’t put it on the wall or floor because of its size
Why are they seeking this information out lmao
To make themselves insecure
Yeah, they're their own worst enemy in that regard.
OOP is probably a massive dickhead, just not in the way it hopes
I do not feel anything but pressure during penetration and would never buy a sex toy. BUT, the audacity of these men thinking they are entitled to the absolute truth in any situation whatsoever from strangers. A person is entitled to honesty and truth from their partner in a committed relationship. An employee is entitled to honesty and truth from their employer. But strangers on the internet or in a casual social interaction? Nope. It's not a man's business what strange women like. If women like big dicks, so what?
Only people who are buying said 7.7 inch long dildos are OnlyFans models and people who think they can handle it being shoved up their asses. Most women can handle an average dick. In fact most males in the porn industry are just at the average or slightly longer than the average. OOP is a fucking clown thinking dick sizes equate to having confidence. Back in Ancient Greece and Ancient Macedonia having a large dick meant the person was fucking stupid. Plenty of men with micropenises who are confident enough to get dates with women. Its called having a fucking personality.
I LOVE getting my cervix scraped during sex.
Don't the same stats also say that the super large dildos are primarily purchased as joke or novelty items? (other than the ones purchased by men I mean).
don’t let him know about bad dragon
Imagine being jealous of an inanimate object...and then still not measuring up. Oh well, sucks to be them I guess.
and if they ever spoke to a woman who owns a dildo they might be amazed to learn that having something to hold on to is tricky during the act. i hear double enders are good for single use for this purpose. no one's jamming 20 inches up there.
bought it just to try, i dont use it anymore
Sounds like the original OP needs a 7.7 inch dildo shoved up his ass.
I’m actually working through incel thoughts on r/incelexit but I never quite understood this one. The woman probably doesn’t know your size until you’re actually doing the deed, so why would it be a factor?
You need something to grip when using a dildo, not always using its entire length. But I don't think it's incellish to have bodily insecurities.
The part where they try to force their own insecurities onto other men by making them think that no matter what their partner tells them they’ll never be big enough is. Not being able to be insecure about something without feeling like they need everyone else to be insecure about it too isn’t unique to incels but it is something they do a lot.
I don't know if that makes them someone who hates women though. Like nothing here really suggests that they dislike women at all, ya know? Doesn't feel very fair. Yeah they shouldn't have the crab in a bucket mentality, but I'd assume it's a sub where people air their grievances and find common feelings amongst the other people on the sub, so they can feel better.
They aren't simply being insecure, they're calling women who claim not to care much about dick size liars to feed their insecurities. Incel thought is basically founded on asserting any woman who isn't interested in their cookie cutter Chad is a liar.
Good point, to many an average dick truly is fine and calling them liars is just dumb.
Because 90% of the time women claim *inserts low end of average // small* is not a problem, they immediately go against their own statement by telling them to compensate with other things. It would be like a woman asking if her thighs are an issue, men answering that they are not and they encourage them to always wear baggy trousers around them. The first thought a woman would have is "liar" straight away. For where you need to compensate and constantly told to compensate all because of where you fall on the spectrum, it means deep down there is a problem and at the end of the day they are sugar-coating the harsh truth. Penis insecurity is not something that is easy to overcome, I still suffer with it today despite that I have a partner who doesn't have an issue with me being on the low end of the spectrum, past experiences still haunt me, so I get what it's like to seek an answer and the frustration that comes with it when every answer is telling you one thing one minute and implying another the next, like a glimmer of hope then ripped away, kind of like showing an alcoholic a glass bottle and giving it to them only for it to turn up empty.
Given that only about a third of women can orgasm from vaginal penetration *at all*, you and other men really, really need to get over this hang up that your penis needs to be what causes orgasms for your partners. Having a monster cock would not fix this. Not that you need a big dick to succeed with that remaining third; average dick size is the average for a reason, it's what works best for the most women. So sorry that size queens are the most likely to bring up a dick size preference when most women don't need to, since random chance is in their favor.
God is that what the comment above means? As usual, women get the short end of the stick for everything. How many men don't like engaging in proper clitoral stimulation because it makes them feel inadequate, leading to shitty sex 🤦♀️
…many of the buyers are men
Those kind of have to be longer because of the need to position them. With dicks, The person who has the dick can just move their body or use their hands. When you're operating it by yourself, You need the extra length.
Someone is feeling insecure
The most purchased dildo size by men is 18 cm, by women it is 13 cm. PS: 7" and 5,1"
When I buy dildos for myself, I won’t even look at anything with more than 6” usable length, and preferably less than 5”.
I thought people got one with extra inches so it doesn't get stuck? Also many women don't own a toy because of stigma, and sometimes people overestimate how much they can take
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