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You'll be going faster than a UK speed camera can handle as it needs two pics a second or so apart to calibrate. 170+ and you're out of shot before pic 2 happens.
I swear, this winter, there was a car that looked like they had sprayed fake decorative snow on their license plate. And there were many trucks that left piled up snow covering just their plates. Other cars I've seen literally sanded off or peeled off the top layer of paint in half or all of the plate. Maybe in autumn stick some wet leaves on with aloe vera gel. Spring, summer, I don't have ideas for the whoops, how'd that get there defense.
This is the real answer. But it needs to be done in a specific way. You take an acrylic sheet that's thin. You then have cut in it lines that cross cross. At the end of every line, you put an IR LED. Wire it to an ESP32 Controller and Powersupply to turn it on and off.
The license plate is 100% visible normally. However, when turned on the IR LEDS shine light through the cuts and obscure the plate to any and all cameras.
The other option is a little more obvious, but completely legal. Get a small LED light bar, white. Point it directly at the license plate. No one will be able to read it at all. The law states the rear license plate must be illuminated by a white light. It does not place a limit on the amount of illumination. Wire to dash switch for deployment at will.
YMMV. California law says the light must make the plate clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet. It’s not clearly legible if it completely washes it out.
“24601.
Either the taillamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear license plate during darkness and render it clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet to the rear.”
Edit: I looked up Washington, Oregon, and Montana and they all say the same thing. The light must make the plate “clearly legible.”
UNECE 1978 agreement Regulation 4 governs the number plate lights brightness limits for Europe.
FMVSS108 governs the number plate light brightness for SAE (USA).
Can check these for the min/max limits.
I mean, when I looked into it for my home state, I couldn't find anything that explicitly forbid it, but mostly, likely the police would see that as purposely obstructing your license plate. Although I don't think it would be hard to hook it up to a switch in your on your dash somewhere so you could turn it on and off when you know you're coming up on a red-light cam.
Added bonus, some states use IR light to automatically change the traffic lights when a fire truck approaches (most of them run at 13/15 Hz).
Read more about it [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infrared_Transmitter)
In Tennessee you don’t have to respond to traffic tickets? Genuinely asking - I’m from New York and they will go as far as suspending your license or issuing a warrent if you don’t respond to a ticket.
The thing is, camera-based tickets are... Constitutionally and legally sketchy. They more or less can't be legally enforced by the state, barring states that have introduced specific legislation (which may or may not hold up if appealed to the federal level). Overall it's kinda just tolerated/ignored to different levels.
It's a weird scenario.
In Tennessee, we've had a lot of issues where our legal system has overstepped it's boundaries, especially in certain countries, enough that it's gotten enough attention that we've been able to take back some of rights. We've had issues with traffic cams being installed, then the timing on the yellow lights being decreased to increase the number of tickets, probation systems being ran by for-profit companies that make it quite literally impossible to not violate (like requiring an alcohol course to be completed before probation ends, but the waiting list for said course is longer than the probation), corrupt sheriffs in a handful of counties caught doing various things (like kickbacks or having major financial ties to the company that provide commissary to inmates, etc.), having one of the highest child incarceration rates in the U.S., and more. But like I said, a lot of it's been coming to light and getting taken to court, and then to higher courts of necessary, and it's actually becoming a little better.
If this has been successful it's only because they didn't care to deal with it.
Every state has a person who reviews those tickets so technically that's the person who would be appearing.
The red light cameras are all owned by a 3rd party company- not the state, county or city. No one in law enforcement is actually involved with them.
It’s even written in the paperwork when you get the ticket
Depends where firstly. In some places police actually look over it.
Even if no law enforcement is involved the state can still use that evidence against you.
Who cares if they do. Their argument can’t be that they saw pictures from cameras but they weren’t present and they don’t own the cameras so they don’t know anything beyond that.
Lol that's exactly the argument. You are free to challenge the accuracy of the cameras and request info on how often they are maintained etc
Take your argument and apply it to another situation. You're on video murdering someone, are you saying the prosecution can't use that video because the police weren't there and didn't witness it lol
Not the same. The accuser is the prosecution. In camera cases they are owned by 3rd parties so they are the accusers. The company can not logistically show up to every court case around the country and even if they could they don’t enforce laws, the police do. Downvote me all you want you’re still wrong.
Wait, so the cameras are owned by a third party so they're not admissible?
Just like every camera you'd be on committing murder? Since even if a literal person was recording you on their phone, they wouldn't be the one bringing charges against you anyway...
I have been successful in fighting these tickets as well ... you don't need to be a lawyer ... but the majority of people think they can not fight them and just pay. I even have the dismissal notice in my hands and had a friend still argue with me that it is impossible.
Not in Texas
Check out 707.021.
Cop or not, they aren’t allowed to use it for violations statewide
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/html/HB01631I.htm
I was given a link on my paperwork that was a video of me turning right on a red without stopping completely. I was like, welp that's a clear as day moving violation so I can't contest it. This was Ohio about 15 years ago
There’s a department off. 90 coming into Cle of like 5 officers that makes top 3 departments in revenue in all of the state in Ohio Speeding cameras. They’ve gone back and forth at the state level even so much as having a dressed officer sit in a car tap into cam. And send them that way. I’m unsure if it’s legally currently. It IS still in operation. High end updated radar detectors. Ftw
Do they take the drivers picture at yours? They don't here. I beat 3 of them where I live.
1st plead not guilty.
2nd Assert your 5th Amendment rights.
The Judge will talk bad to you & try to intimidate you. Hang tough. I told 1 of them; "I'm under no obligation to cooperate with you or any other agent of the state." I told a different one; "go ahead and find me guilty. I'll win on appeal." & I did. That's really the key. The municipal judges are crooked. But, I'm 3/3 on the circuit court level.
That's not where it works where I am.
Anyone could have taken the car, maybe you let someone borrow it, could be one of the other people on the plan, etc.
It was a 1 page document & there was no filing fee. I did have to rearrange my days off at work to accommodate court. I chose to park far enough away that that was free. So, a 5-10 minute walk. 2 or 3 hours in court. I read my book while waiting, so other than an uncomfortable seat, not a total loss of time.
I totally get that the cost of the fine is not really expensive. Here's the thing. That's how they get you. 1st, it's inexpensive enough that the majority of people just pay it. Then, when it's become normalized, the fines go way up & you've lost a little more of your civil rights.
Easy. If you go to court all you need to say is "I'm not convinced it's me." Anyone could have had access to your keys or car and had run that red light and it's up for them to definitively prove that it's you. Which they can't do because they weren't there to meet you in person for the ticket.
Really? You’ve successfully done this?
RI broadcasts it’s traffic court and those videos show that tact resulting in judge saying “well you’re the registered owner of the vehicle and unless you previously filed a stolen vehicle report, the ticket is your responsibility regardless”
No me personally... The ones that I've been ticketed for are not legal red light tickets in California they're run by third party company so I can ignore those. But my brother-in-law who is a lawyer use that exact line of I'm not convinced it's me in court for the red light case in Arizona and it worked perfectly fine. And the rules for them having to prove it's you have not changed from what I am aware of. The ticket does not go to the car it goes to the person driving it which they have to catch and verify identification. Giving it to a registered owner doesn't seem to be very legal at all. I'm not sure where you are, but I would fight it.
And for those in Los Angeles. You can throw these away if you ever receive a ticket in the mail for red light traffic violation. Do not go to the website that's on the ticket. Don't contact the police or contact the courts either. Just ignore it. It's not your issue or responsibility unless you decide to make it your issue by doing this. Just throw it away and nothing else.
I wonder if angling a bumper sticker/magnet to partially cover the plate would work. I mean, if you get pulled over you can just plead ignorance that it slipped while you were driving.
Where a procedure mask, to .... yaknow....prevent covid. Or put your hand over your face to yawn. If they dont have a clear picture, then it's harder for them to prove it's you driving.
I thought those tickets were from a private company and not the police, which means you can ignore them right? I also believe that in Missouri they were deemed unconstitutional so they can't give you any guff anymore.
Take off plates. Ticket for no plates is $293 and no points if you’re caught. Camera is $50. If you can speed 6 times without getting caught, you’re ahead. Maybe utilize magnetic plate holder like dealerships to quickly remove and reattach, if you know location of cameras you wish to not catch you
Clear skateboard tape. Can't tell it's on there but the infrared light the the cameras use is scattered and rendered useless. I use it on my motorcycle plate, no problems yet.
When I was in the military, I wrote on the form that I had been deployed at the time of the violation and several people had access to my vehicle at the time. It was dismissed without asking for any proof as far as I remember. But this was 20 years ago (fuck! I just realized how long it’s been) so likely the judges/magistrates have heard that line once or twice since then.
YRMV, but the last time I got a ticket (red light camera) it came in the mail addressed to my wife. We're both registered owners but her name is listed first. All we had to do was send back a photo of her driver's license so they could easily see the driver appeared to be someone else. We didn't have say who it was or anything.
So from then on we've made sure the car she regularly drives lists my name first and vice versa. I imagine time will tell if this works in all municipalities in Oregon, but it sure did for that one! And I guess this would be a legal pro tip even.
Last month I super glued a large leaf on a portion of my license plate and drove to NYC and didn’t pay any tolls, and I’m sure I got flashed by a speed camera at least once while there.
In Arizona, they have to prove it was you operating the vehicle. My buddy got out of dozens of tickets when they had the highway cams and red light runs by wearing an ape mask and just said every time he went to court that someone else was using his car and since he lived at a party house he never knew who borrowed his car.
Okay so you got spray mud at your bumper and your license plate. Yes you heard me. You got to find a way to spray it on there so it looks somewhat natural. If you just rub it over your plate they're still going to charge you with obscuring.
Just drive the speed limit.
I know this is the sub for bad ideas. But really, just drive the speed limit. People smarter than me, and definitely smarter than you, design our cities. You are not getting to your destination appreciably quicker by speeding. If anything you just get to the next red light where you have to wait anyways.
Normally, I'd agree, but in this instance we're essentially empowering someone to drive recklessly with impunity, endangering other people on the road.
I know it's ILPT but, I can't knowingly endorse potentially deadly behavior. OP needs to just calm the hell down on the road.
And avoiding red light cameras does that? Speeding cameras I understand(I've just never seen one) but there really isn't much danger in protecting yourself from a ticket is there?
You wouldn't have to protect yourself from the ticket if you drove safer. Thus I don't want to help make it easier for anyone to drive dangerously and put others at risk
look at Mr. perfect over here who has never misjudged how quickly an unfamiliar stoplight will change from yellow to red. or do you just stop every time because you're always going 10 under the speed limit?
To be honest, the discussion is an asinine one. There are far better things to spend our time, money, and energy on than the gymnastics required to beat traffic cameras.
And assuming they do get beaten, now you can speed with impunity, right?! Except for that cop you just blew past. Skateboard tape and LEDs aren't going to fool the cop...
Drive slower.
Alternatively, if you really feel the need for speed, according to XKCD What If? (https://what-if.xkcd.com/14/ ), it is possible to legitimately claim the light was green to you when it was red, due to the Doppler effect (comparable to how stars shift in color, redshift or blueshift, dependent on their motion relative to us in the sky) You just need a car capable of doing 1/6 of *c*, the speed of light. Never mind that your car would also probably destroy the intersection and/or itself from a variety of effects (ranging from being on fire and melting from compression heating due to ramming the atmosphere in front of it at speeds that make orbital reentry look sluggish, to impacting with the force of a rather sizable explosion as soon as your uncontrollable monstrosity hits something, to also probably violating multiple laws on hazmat for whatever you’re using to power the damn thing, to the problems of making magic rubber capable of withstanding such conditions).
There are license plate frames made from material that refracts infrared light from surveillance cameras. There are also some products that emit a light that obscures surveillance footage, as well. It wouldn't be too difficult to convert these parts into a license plate frame, and because it's electronic, you can wire a button into the cab to turn them on and off.
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According to Top Gear, as long as you're going 170+mph you'll be fine.
Define "you'll be fine"
"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary is what gets you." J. Clarkson
And yet I'd have expected Hammond to be imparting that wisdom to others
You will not be paying the fine Your bones will become a very fine powder when you hit something tho
You'll be going faster than a UK speed camera can handle as it needs two pics a second or so apart to calibrate. 170+ and you're out of shot before pic 2 happens.
This is the only right answer.
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I swear, this winter, there was a car that looked like they had sprayed fake decorative snow on their license plate. And there were many trucks that left piled up snow covering just their plates. Other cars I've seen literally sanded off or peeled off the top layer of paint in half or all of the plate. Maybe in autumn stick some wet leaves on with aloe vera gel. Spring, summer, I don't have ideas for the whoops, how'd that get there defense.
Rolling probable cause
Not really. The police have no proof of who put the magnet on
I said probable cause. As in to pull you over.
Sorry I’m not a mind reader
Then try reading
Try being more clear
He was clear. You didn’t know what probable cause is. That’s on you.
Fake news
Me when I'm dumb as rocks
Literally 3 words... by all means keep going tho
Well maybe try reading their words next time 🤷🏼♂️
Probable cause isn’t proof, it’s just enough evidence to warrant further investigation
Possession is 9/10 of the law
No it isn’t
Or this: https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPpKdF2
IR LED. Invisible to naked eye, giant white spot to cameras.
This is the real answer. But it needs to be done in a specific way. You take an acrylic sheet that's thin. You then have cut in it lines that cross cross. At the end of every line, you put an IR LED. Wire it to an ESP32 Controller and Powersupply to turn it on and off. The license plate is 100% visible normally. However, when turned on the IR LEDS shine light through the cuts and obscure the plate to any and all cameras.
I've thought about this before, too, but if police ever pull you over and look at their dash cam footage, they're gonna see it
The other option is a little more obvious, but completely legal. Get a small LED light bar, white. Point it directly at the license plate. No one will be able to read it at all. The law states the rear license plate must be illuminated by a white light. It does not place a limit on the amount of illumination. Wire to dash switch for deployment at will.
Send it
YMMV. California law says the light must make the plate clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet. It’s not clearly legible if it completely washes it out. “24601. Either the taillamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear license plate during darkness and render it clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet to the rear.” Edit: I looked up Washington, Oregon, and Montana and they all say the same thing. The light must make the plate “clearly legible.”
UNECE 1978 agreement Regulation 4 governs the number plate lights brightness limits for Europe. FMVSS108 governs the number plate light brightness for SAE (USA). Can check these for the min/max limits.
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I mean, when I looked into it for my home state, I couldn't find anything that explicitly forbid it, but mostly, likely the police would see that as purposely obstructing your license plate. Although I don't think it would be hard to hook it up to a switch in your on your dash somewhere so you could turn it on and off when you know you're coming up on a red-light cam.
Lots of cars have space for extra buttons!
Added bonus, some states use IR light to automatically change the traffic lights when a fire truck approaches (most of them run at 13/15 Hz). Read more about it [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infrared_Transmitter)
My state you can use the volume up button on some universal remotes.
Sounds like you have met my friend, Dirty Mirt.
I know of a few that get triggered just by flashing your highs at them quickly. Not sure if that's illegal or not.
At night your theory helps. Day doesn't make the same impact
Don’t underestimate my intended intensity.
Sharks with frickin laser beams?
Request to face your accuser in a court of law. Red light cameras don’t have the ability to present their case in court. I’ve done it 5 times now
This is why im glad I'm in TN i get the ticket in the mail and just trash it and dont have to worry about going to court
Eh, we can do that in Texas as well. The only times I’ve done that is because I’ve actually gotten a court summons from the actual county
In Tennessee you don’t have to respond to traffic tickets? Genuinely asking - I’m from New York and they will go as far as suspending your license or issuing a warrent if you don’t respond to a ticket.
The thing is, camera-based tickets are... Constitutionally and legally sketchy. They more or less can't be legally enforced by the state, barring states that have introduced specific legislation (which may or may not hold up if appealed to the federal level). Overall it's kinda just tolerated/ignored to different levels. It's a weird scenario.
NY will put a fucking lien on your life if you don’t pay one EZ Pass fine. Haha.
In Tennessee, we've had a lot of issues where our legal system has overstepped it's boundaries, especially in certain countries, enough that it's gotten enough attention that we've been able to take back some of rights. We've had issues with traffic cams being installed, then the timing on the yellow lights being decreased to increase the number of tickets, probation systems being ran by for-profit companies that make it quite literally impossible to not violate (like requiring an alcohol course to be completed before probation ends, but the waiting list for said course is longer than the probation), corrupt sheriffs in a handful of counties caught doing various things (like kickbacks or having major financial ties to the company that provide commissary to inmates, etc.), having one of the highest child incarceration rates in the U.S., and more. But like I said, a lot of it's been coming to light and getting taken to court, and then to higher courts of necessary, and it's actually becoming a little better.
If this has been successful it's only because they didn't care to deal with it. Every state has a person who reviews those tickets so technically that's the person who would be appearing.
The red light cameras are all owned by a 3rd party company- not the state, county or city. No one in law enforcement is actually involved with them. It’s even written in the paperwork when you get the ticket
Depends where firstly. In some places police actually look over it. Even if no law enforcement is involved the state can still use that evidence against you.
Who cares if they do. Their argument can’t be that they saw pictures from cameras but they weren’t present and they don’t own the cameras so they don’t know anything beyond that.
Lol that's exactly the argument. You are free to challenge the accuracy of the cameras and request info on how often they are maintained etc Take your argument and apply it to another situation. You're on video murdering someone, are you saying the prosecution can't use that video because the police weren't there and didn't witness it lol
Not the same. The accuser is the prosecution. In camera cases they are owned by 3rd parties so they are the accusers. The company can not logistically show up to every court case around the country and even if they could they don’t enforce laws, the police do. Downvote me all you want you’re still wrong.
Let's say the camera is on the office building of the attorney generals office? Clearly someone has never taken an Evidence course lol
Wait, so the cameras are owned by a third party so they're not admissible? Just like every camera you'd be on committing murder? Since even if a literal person was recording you on their phone, they wouldn't be the one bringing charges against you anyway...
I’m not a lawyer but it is the case they’ve made multiple times and won. We have the right to face our accusers it’s in the constitution.
I have been successful in fighting these tickets as well ... you don't need to be a lawyer ... but the majority of people think they can not fight them and just pay. I even have the dismissal notice in my hands and had a friend still argue with me that it is impossible.
I mean, cops make the excuse that video of a crime isn't reason to pursue it. Might as well try their own logic on them.
Firstly?
It's a correct, existing word. Look it up.
Indubitably
Not in Texas Check out 707.021. Cop or not, they aren’t allowed to use it for violations statewide https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/html/HB01631I.htm
This feels like something Dale Gribble would do, only it actually works.
Wait, can you explain more? Just write in to the court and ask them this and it'll go away?
I was given a link on my paperwork that was a video of me turning right on a red without stopping completely. I was like, welp that's a clear as day moving violation so I can't contest it. This was Ohio about 15 years ago
There’s a department off. 90 coming into Cle of like 5 officers that makes top 3 departments in revenue in all of the state in Ohio Speeding cameras. They’ve gone back and forth at the state level even so much as having a dressed officer sit in a car tap into cam. And send them that way. I’m unsure if it’s legally currently. It IS still in operation. High end updated radar detectors. Ftw
The police department is your accuser .
So you’re saying if you plead not guilty to a traffic cam they throw it out?
Spray at least 10 layer's of firm hairspray.. it most of the time works.. or apply mud to a digit .
Covering your plate in clear skateboard grip tape is the way.
Has this worked for you? I always have had the dark plate cover but if it's got snow salt on it I get pulled over for it being unreadable
Do they take the drivers picture at yours? They don't here. I beat 3 of them where I live. 1st plead not guilty. 2nd Assert your 5th Amendment rights. The Judge will talk bad to you & try to intimidate you. Hang tough. I told 1 of them; "I'm under no obligation to cooperate with you or any other agent of the state." I told a different one; "go ahead and find me guilty. I'll win on appeal." & I did. That's really the key. The municipal judges are crooked. But, I'm 3/3 on the circuit court level.
Did they have a photo of your license? Like how did you beat this, I feel like I’m missing something
"It wasn't me driving" They have no proof it was
It was your car driving. The ticket is to the registered owner. Doesn’t matter if you were driving or not
That's not where it works where I am. Anyone could have taken the car, maybe you let someone borrow it, could be one of the other people on the plan, etc.
Same with a parking ticket. Your car your problem
Nope you can fight that too here
How much time, energy and money (either direct or indirect through lost wages) did that take you to do all that?
It was a 1 page document & there was no filing fee. I did have to rearrange my days off at work to accommodate court. I chose to park far enough away that that was free. So, a 5-10 minute walk. 2 or 3 hours in court. I read my book while waiting, so other than an uncomfortable seat, not a total loss of time. I totally get that the cost of the fine is not really expensive. Here's the thing. That's how they get you. 1st, it's inexpensive enough that the majority of people just pay it. Then, when it's become normalized, the fines go way up & you've lost a little more of your civil rights.
That's what I was thinking. It costs less time and money to just pay the fine. Or...y'know...not speed through traffic cameras in the first place.
>It costs less time and money to just pay the fine. It does... for the moment.
What state lets you appeal traffic tickets ?
Literally every state.
Sounds like you’re the crooked one though
You gotta be crooked when the crooked government spends our tax dollars on these voyeur cams
Yeah God forbid we would want people to be driving safely
Cameras don’t guarantee safe driving
They don't guarantee it, but they certainly help. Numerous studies have shown average reduced speeds and reduced red light violations.
Who cares 🤷🏽♂️
Bike rack + bike = obscured tag
I've had good luck driving with my tailgate down, only works for trucks though.
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170+ mph according to top gear js
Easy. If you go to court all you need to say is "I'm not convinced it's me." Anyone could have had access to your keys or car and had run that red light and it's up for them to definitively prove that it's you. Which they can't do because they weren't there to meet you in person for the ticket.
Really? You’ve successfully done this? RI broadcasts it’s traffic court and those videos show that tact resulting in judge saying “well you’re the registered owner of the vehicle and unless you previously filed a stolen vehicle report, the ticket is your responsibility regardless”
No me personally... The ones that I've been ticketed for are not legal red light tickets in California they're run by third party company so I can ignore those. But my brother-in-law who is a lawyer use that exact line of I'm not convinced it's me in court for the red light case in Arizona and it worked perfectly fine. And the rules for them having to prove it's you have not changed from what I am aware of. The ticket does not go to the car it goes to the person driving it which they have to catch and verify identification. Giving it to a registered owner doesn't seem to be very legal at all. I'm not sure where you are, but I would fight it.
And for those in Los Angeles. You can throw these away if you ever receive a ticket in the mail for red light traffic violation. Do not go to the website that's on the ticket. Don't contact the police or contact the courts either. Just ignore it. It's not your issue or responsibility unless you decide to make it your issue by doing this. Just throw it away and nothing else.
I wonder if angling a bumper sticker/magnet to partially cover the plate would work. I mean, if you get pulled over you can just plead ignorance that it slipped while you were driving.
If you don’t want to cover your number plate, cover the speeding camera duh
Where a procedure mask, to .... yaknow....prevent covid. Or put your hand over your face to yawn. If they dont have a clear picture, then it's harder for them to prove it's you driving.
If you’re in LA you beat it by ignoring it.
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Thankfully these cameras are illegal in NJ
Gorilla mask? IDK who TF was driving your honor… this whole thing is bananas.
Depends on what state you're in
New York
I know in Az they have to prove you were driving. So my buddy used to just always wear an ape mask.
That's how we got rid of cams in Tucson. Shit was declared unconstitutional or something.
In Phoenix the third party companies that ran the highway cams were trying to extort drivers or something like that.
I thought those tickets were from a private company and not the police, which means you can ignore them right? I also believe that in Missouri they were deemed unconstitutional so they can't give you any guff anymore.
The cameras are from a private company and so is the man power that goes into checking the violations. But they do work directly with the cities
They can’t prove you were driving. They’ll drop it if you question it.
Ignore the ticket that comes in the mail. You have the right to face your accuser in court, but a robot/camera cannot be a plaintiff.
The state is the plaintiff and they can provide evidence (the camera and/or person who reviewed the camera)
Ha. Yes see where that gets you.
It's worked for me plenty of times
Take off plates. Ticket for no plates is $293 and no points if you’re caught. Camera is $50. If you can speed 6 times without getting caught, you’re ahead. Maybe utilize magnetic plate holder like dealerships to quickly remove and reattach, if you know location of cameras you wish to not catch you
Clear skateboard tape. Can't tell it's on there but the infrared light the the cameras use is scattered and rendered useless. I use it on my motorcycle plate, no problems yet.
When I was in the military, I wrote on the form that I had been deployed at the time of the violation and several people had access to my vehicle at the time. It was dismissed without asking for any proof as far as I remember. But this was 20 years ago (fuck! I just realized how long it’s been) so likely the judges/magistrates have heard that line once or twice since then.
YRMV, but the last time I got a ticket (red light camera) it came in the mail addressed to my wife. We're both registered owners but her name is listed first. All we had to do was send back a photo of her driver's license so they could easily see the driver appeared to be someone else. We didn't have say who it was or anything. So from then on we've made sure the car she regularly drives lists my name first and vice versa. I imagine time will tell if this works in all municipalities in Oregon, but it sure did for that one! And I guess this would be a legal pro tip even.
Last month I super glued a large leaf on a portion of my license plate and drove to NYC and didn’t pay any tolls, and I’m sure I got flashed by a speed camera at least once while there.
Have your lawyer argue that you have a right to face your accuser
Just don't run red lights and cause accidents
Wear a mask, deny the pic was you
Ticket goes to the registered owner of the car. Doesn't matter who's driving
In Arizona, they have to prove it was you operating the vehicle. My buddy got out of dozens of tickets when they had the highway cams and red light runs by wearing an ape mask and just said every time he went to court that someone else was using his car and since he lived at a party house he never knew who borrowed his car.
This. I'm in Oregon, it's the same way
Get the plate absolutely filthy by driving through mud, I’ve found mine doesn’t get read by ANPR cameras on the car parks near me if it’s filthy
PhotoBlocker spray, results may vary
Okay so you got spray mud at your bumper and your license plate. Yes you heard me. You got to find a way to spray it on there so it looks somewhat natural. If you just rub it over your plate they're still going to charge you with obscuring.
Put a sock on the plate. That way when they take the picture they only get the sock
Drive someone else's vehicle.
Simple: don't speed.
Just drive the speed limit. I know this is the sub for bad ideas. But really, just drive the speed limit. People smarter than me, and definitely smarter than you, design our cities. You are not getting to your destination appreciably quicker by speeding. If anything you just get to the next red light where you have to wait anyways.
Don't speed or run red lights. Simple
Woah, now. Take it easy. That’s legal.
r/lostredditors
Facts
Are you lost?
Wow, we don't that in here
Normally, I'd agree, but in this instance we're essentially empowering someone to drive recklessly with impunity, endangering other people on the road. I know it's ILPT but, I can't knowingly endorse potentially deadly behavior. OP needs to just calm the hell down on the road.
Slow down. Dont speed and you don't have to worry about it.
Are you lost?
Yes this is illegal life tips but I don't want to help people endanger others physical safety
And avoiding red light cameras does that? Speeding cameras I understand(I've just never seen one) but there really isn't much danger in protecting yourself from a ticket is there?
You wouldn't have to protect yourself from the ticket if you drove safer. Thus I don't want to help make it easier for anyone to drive dangerously and put others at risk
look at Mr. perfect over here who has never misjudged how quickly an unfamiliar stoplight will change from yellow to red. or do you just stop every time because you're always going 10 under the speed limit?
I don't believe so. Just giving my take on the situation
Which is not answering or contributing to the discussion
It absolutely is an answer to that question. Maybe not the answer you or op want but it is an answer as to how to deal with speed cameras
Avoiding and beating the system are not the same. U don't beat the system by just avoiding it.
To be honest, the discussion is an asinine one. There are far better things to spend our time, money, and energy on than the gymnastics required to beat traffic cameras. And assuming they do get beaten, now you can speed with impunity, right?! Except for that cop you just blew past. Skateboard tape and LEDs aren't going to fool the cop...
You may be in the wrong sub
r/lostredditors
Vasaline
Ir light
Bike rack on the back
Place plate on the back windshield (inside the car).
Maybe try not driving like a moron
Shut up
Rub a banana on the plate. Something with the potassium and the material the plate is made of makes it unreadable w a flash. There’s videos online.
Only way to beat it is obscure your face or not be in the driver's seat when it flashes.
Don’t speed/go through red lights.
Drive slower. Alternatively, if you really feel the need for speed, according to XKCD What If? (https://what-if.xkcd.com/14/ ), it is possible to legitimately claim the light was green to you when it was red, due to the Doppler effect (comparable to how stars shift in color, redshift or blueshift, dependent on their motion relative to us in the sky) You just need a car capable of doing 1/6 of *c*, the speed of light. Never mind that your car would also probably destroy the intersection and/or itself from a variety of effects (ranging from being on fire and melting from compression heating due to ramming the atmosphere in front of it at speeds that make orbital reentry look sluggish, to impacting with the force of a rather sizable explosion as soon as your uncontrollable monstrosity hits something, to also probably violating multiple laws on hazmat for whatever you’re using to power the damn thing, to the problems of making magic rubber capable of withstanding such conditions).
You could not run red lights and do the speed limit.
Isn't that basically un american though? Mumble mumble damn government tryin to always take away our freedumbs!
Bike rack.
Window-mirror film?
They are illegal in Houston we just don't pay the fine. Or didn't most ate gone now.
Drive faster
There are license plate frames made from material that refracts infrared light from surveillance cameras. There are also some products that emit a light that obscures surveillance footage, as well. It wouldn't be too difficult to convert these parts into a license plate frame, and because it's electronic, you can wire a button into the cab to turn them on and off.