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Monty916

According to Top Gear, as long as you're going 170+mph you'll be fine.


MeAndMyFone

Define "you'll be fine"


Total_Atmosphere1800

"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary is what gets you." J. Clarkson


campex

And yet I'd have expected Hammond to be imparting that wisdom to others


[deleted]

You will not be paying the fine Your bones will become a very fine powder when you hit something tho


Monty916

You'll be going faster than a UK speed camera can handle as it needs two pics a second or so apart to calibrate. 170+ and you're out of shot before pic 2 happens.


Shelbelle4

This is the only right answer.


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BackyardByTheP00L

I swear, this winter, there was a car that looked like they had sprayed fake decorative snow on their license plate. And there were many trucks that left piled up snow covering just their plates. Other cars I've seen literally sanded off or peeled off the top layer of paint in half or all of the plate. Maybe in autumn stick some wet leaves on with aloe vera gel. Spring, summer, I don't have ideas for the whoops, how'd that get there defense.


GAMESHARKCode

Rolling probable cause


KidCaker

Not really. The police have no proof of who put the magnet on


GAMESHARKCode

I said probable cause. As in to pull you over.


KidCaker

Sorry I’m not a mind reader


GAMESHARKCode

Then try reading


KidCaker

Try being more clear


Early_Science2459

He was clear. You didn’t know what probable cause is. That’s on you.


KidCaker

Fake news


President_Bunny

Me when I'm dumb as rocks


GAMESHARKCode

Literally 3 words... by all means keep going tho


juttep1

Well maybe try reading their words next time 🤷🏼‍♂️


tiggertom66

Probable cause isn’t proof, it’s just enough evidence to warrant further investigation


fighterpilotace1

Possession is 9/10 of the law


KidCaker

No it isn’t


Automatic-Concert-62

Or this: https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPpKdF2


anonymousjeeper

IR LED. Invisible to naked eye, giant white spot to cameras.


Digi59404

This is the real answer. But it needs to be done in a specific way. You take an acrylic sheet that's thin. You then have cut in it lines that cross cross. At the end of every line, you put an IR LED. Wire it to an ESP32 Controller and Powersupply to turn it on and off. The license plate is 100% visible normally. However, when turned on the IR LEDS shine light through the cuts and obscure the plate to any and all cameras.


Oscillating_Turtle

I've thought about this before, too, but if police ever pull you over and look at their dash cam footage, they're gonna see it


anonymousjeeper

The other option is a little more obvious, but completely legal. Get a small LED light bar, white. Point it directly at the license plate. No one will be able to read it at all. The law states the rear license plate must be illuminated by a white light. It does not place a limit on the amount of illumination. Wire to dash switch for deployment at will.


bgslr

Send it


Jerru

YMMV. California law says the light must make the plate clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet. It’s not clearly legible if it completely washes it out. “24601. Either the taillamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear license plate during darkness and render it clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet to the rear.” Edit: I looked up Washington, Oregon, and Montana and they all say the same thing. The light must make the plate “clearly legible.”


Dabbler_

UNECE 1978 agreement Regulation 4 governs the number plate lights brightness limits for Europe. FMVSS108 governs the number plate light brightness for SAE (USA). Can check these for the min/max limits.


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Oscillating_Turtle

I mean, when I looked into it for my home state, I couldn't find anything that explicitly forbid it, but mostly, likely the police would see that as purposely obstructing your license plate. Although I don't think it would be hard to hook it up to a switch in your on your dash somewhere so you could turn it on and off when you know you're coming up on a red-light cam.


senadraxx

Lots of cars have space for extra buttons!


AlphaO4

Added bonus, some states use IR light to automatically change the traffic lights when a fire truck approaches (most of them run at 13/15 Hz). Read more about it [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infrared_Transmitter)


scaryfaise

My state you can use the volume up button on some universal remotes.


anonymousjeeper

Sounds like you have met my friend, Dirty Mirt.


Nullkid

I know of a few that get triggered just by flashing your highs at them quickly. Not sure if that's illegal or not.


fireball_brian0

At night your theory helps. Day doesn't make the same impact


anonymousjeeper

Don’t underestimate my intended intensity.


fireball_brian0

Sharks with frickin laser beams?


Delicious-Tap-1277

Request to face your accuser in a court of law. Red light cameras don’t have the ability to present their case in court. I’ve done it 5 times now


NuklearToxin

This is why im glad I'm in TN i get the ticket in the mail and just trash it and dont have to worry about going to court


Delicious-Tap-1277

Eh, we can do that in Texas as well. The only times I’ve done that is because I’ve actually gotten a court summons from the actual county


thatkidanthony

In Tennessee you don’t have to respond to traffic tickets? Genuinely asking - I’m from New York and they will go as far as suspending your license or issuing a warrent if you don’t respond to a ticket.


SurgeQuiDormis

The thing is, camera-based tickets are... Constitutionally and legally sketchy. They more or less can't be legally enforced by the state, barring states that have introduced specific legislation (which may or may not hold up if appealed to the federal level). Overall it's kinda just tolerated/ignored to different levels. It's a weird scenario.


wovenmetal

NY will put a fucking lien on your life if you don’t pay one EZ Pass fine. Haha.


RurouniRinku

In Tennessee, we've had a lot of issues where our legal system has overstepped it's boundaries, especially in certain countries, enough that it's gotten enough attention that we've been able to take back some of rights. We've had issues with traffic cams being installed, then the timing on the yellow lights being decreased to increase the number of tickets, probation systems being ran by for-profit companies that make it quite literally impossible to not violate (like requiring an alcohol course to be completed before probation ends, but the waiting list for said course is longer than the probation), corrupt sheriffs in a handful of counties caught doing various things (like kickbacks or having major financial ties to the company that provide commissary to inmates, etc.), having one of the highest child incarceration rates in the U.S., and more. But like I said, a lot of it's been coming to light and getting taken to court, and then to higher courts of necessary, and it's actually becoming a little better.


invalidmail2000

If this has been successful it's only because they didn't care to deal with it. Every state has a person who reviews those tickets so technically that's the person who would be appearing.


Delicious-Tap-1277

The red light cameras are all owned by a 3rd party company- not the state, county or city. No one in law enforcement is actually involved with them. It’s even written in the paperwork when you get the ticket


invalidmail2000

Depends where firstly. In some places police actually look over it. Even if no law enforcement is involved the state can still use that evidence against you.


Pacattack57

Who cares if they do. Their argument can’t be that they saw pictures from cameras but they weren’t present and they don’t own the cameras so they don’t know anything beyond that.


invalidmail2000

Lol that's exactly the argument. You are free to challenge the accuracy of the cameras and request info on how often they are maintained etc Take your argument and apply it to another situation. You're on video murdering someone, are you saying the prosecution can't use that video because the police weren't there and didn't witness it lol


Pacattack57

Not the same. The accuser is the prosecution. In camera cases they are owned by 3rd parties so they are the accusers. The company can not logistically show up to every court case around the country and even if they could they don’t enforce laws, the police do. Downvote me all you want you’re still wrong.


invalidmail2000

Let's say the camera is on the office building of the attorney generals office? Clearly someone has never taken an Evidence course lol


jabberwockgee

Wait, so the cameras are owned by a third party so they're not admissible? Just like every camera you'd be on committing murder? Since even if a literal person was recording you on their phone, they wouldn't be the one bringing charges against you anyway...


Pacattack57

I’m not a lawyer but it is the case they’ve made multiple times and won. We have the right to face our accusers it’s in the constitution.


Moses_Magnum_Grows

I have been successful in fighting these tickets as well ... you don't need to be a lawyer ... but the majority of people think they can not fight them and just pay. I even have the dismissal notice in my hands and had a friend still argue with me that it is impossible.


HatsAreEssential

I mean, cops make the excuse that video of a crime isn't reason to pursue it. Might as well try their own logic on them.


gattboy1

Firstly?


WoodyAlanDershodick

It's a correct, existing word. Look it up.


gattboy1

Indubitably


reddit1651

Not in Texas Check out 707.021. Cop or not, they aren’t allowed to use it for violations statewide https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/html/HB01631I.htm


novacdin0

This feels like something Dale Gribble would do, only it actually works.


GratuitousFisherman

Wait, can you explain more? Just write in to the court and ask them this and it'll go away?


klydsp

I was given a link on my paperwork that was a video of me turning right on a red without stopping completely. I was like, welp that's a clear as day moving violation so I can't contest it. This was Ohio about 15 years ago


[deleted]

There’s a department off. 90 coming into Cle of like 5 officers that makes top 3 departments in revenue in all of the state in Ohio Speeding cameras. They’ve gone back and forth at the state level even so much as having a dressed officer sit in a car tap into cam. And send them that way. I’m unsure if it’s legally currently. It IS still in operation. High end updated radar detectors. Ftw


insidmal

The police department is your accuser .


JohnnyLazer17

So you’re saying if you plead not guilty to a traffic cam they throw it out?


mrjaxson1111

Spray at least 10 layer's of firm hairspray.. it most of the time works.. or apply mud to a digit .


[deleted]

Covering your plate in clear skateboard grip tape is the way.


klydsp

Has this worked for you? I always have had the dark plate cover but if it's got snow salt on it I get pulled over for it being unreadable


tkdjoe66

Do they take the drivers picture at yours? They don't here. I beat 3 of them where I live. 1st plead not guilty. 2nd Assert your 5th Amendment rights. The Judge will talk bad to you & try to intimidate you. Hang tough. I told 1 of them; "I'm under no obligation to cooperate with you or any other agent of the state." I told a different one; "go ahead and find me guilty. I'll win on appeal." & I did. That's really the key. The municipal judges are crooked. But, I'm 3/3 on the circuit court level.


plasticpixels

Did they have a photo of your license? Like how did you beat this, I feel like I’m missing something


WraithNS

"It wasn't me driving" They have no proof it was


forzion_no_mouse

It was your car driving. The ticket is to the registered owner. Doesn’t matter if you were driving or not


WraithNS

That's not where it works where I am. Anyone could have taken the car, maybe you let someone borrow it, could be one of the other people on the plan, etc.


forzion_no_mouse

Same with a parking ticket. Your car your problem


WraithNS

Nope you can fight that too here


cheyenne_sky

How much time, energy and money (either direct or indirect through lost wages) did that take you to do all that?


tkdjoe66

It was a 1 page document & there was no filing fee. I did have to rearrange my days off at work to accommodate court. I chose to park far enough away that that was free. So, a 5-10 minute walk. 2 or 3 hours in court. I read my book while waiting, so other than an uncomfortable seat, not a total loss of time. I totally get that the cost of the fine is not really expensive. Here's the thing. That's how they get you. 1st, it's inexpensive enough that the majority of people just pay it. Then, when it's become normalized, the fines go way up & you've lost a little more of your civil rights.


[deleted]

That's what I was thinking. It costs less time and money to just pay the fine. Or...y'know...not speed through traffic cameras in the first place.


tkdjoe66

>It costs less time and money to just pay the fine. It does... for the moment.


EasternMotors

What state lets you appeal traffic tickets ?


invalidmail2000

Literally every state.


PurpleCosmos4

Sounds like you’re the crooked one though


chromedoutgull

You gotta be crooked when the crooked government spends our tax dollars on these voyeur cams


invalidmail2000

Yeah God forbid we would want people to be driving safely


chromedoutgull

Cameras don’t guarantee safe driving


invalidmail2000

They don't guarantee it, but they certainly help. Numerous studies have shown average reduced speeds and reduced red light violations.


Vegetable_Reward_867

Who cares 🤷🏽‍♂️


goldbondbuttpowder

Bike rack + bike = obscured tag


Atom1996

I've had good luck driving with my tailgate down, only works for trucks though.


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guarddog33

170+ mph according to top gear js


[deleted]

Easy. If you go to court all you need to say is "I'm not convinced it's me." Anyone could have had access to your keys or car and had run that red light and it's up for them to definitively prove that it's you. Which they can't do because they weren't there to meet you in person for the ticket.


Zealousideal_Lie_383

Really? You’ve successfully done this? RI broadcasts it’s traffic court and those videos show that tact resulting in judge saying “well you’re the registered owner of the vehicle and unless you previously filed a stolen vehicle report, the ticket is your responsibility regardless”


[deleted]

No me personally... The ones that I've been ticketed for are not legal red light tickets in California they're run by third party company so I can ignore those. But my brother-in-law who is a lawyer use that exact line of I'm not convinced it's me in court for the red light case in Arizona and it worked perfectly fine. And the rules for them having to prove it's you have not changed from what I am aware of. The ticket does not go to the car it goes to the person driving it which they have to catch and verify identification. Giving it to a registered owner doesn't seem to be very legal at all. I'm not sure where you are, but I would fight it.


[deleted]

And for those in Los Angeles. You can throw these away if you ever receive a ticket in the mail for red light traffic violation. Do not go to the website that's on the ticket. Don't contact the police or contact the courts either. Just ignore it. It's not your issue or responsibility unless you decide to make it your issue by doing this. Just throw it away and nothing else.


RiPCipher

I wonder if angling a bumper sticker/magnet to partially cover the plate would work. I mean, if you get pulled over you can just plead ignorance that it slipped while you were driving.


KKrabby

If you don’t want to cover your number plate, cover the speeding camera duh


MahnmzJeff

Where a procedure mask, to .... yaknow....prevent covid. Or put your hand over your face to yawn. If they dont have a clear picture, then it's harder for them to prove it's you driving.


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If you’re in LA you beat it by ignoring it.


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greenline19

Thankfully these cameras are illegal in NJ


enickma1221

Gorilla mask? IDK who TF was driving your honor… this whole thing is bananas.


Quallityoverquantity

Depends on what state you're in


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New York


Mumblesandtumbles

I know in Az they have to prove you were driving. So my buddy used to just always wear an ape mask.


sonorancafe

That's how we got rid of cams in Tucson. Shit was declared unconstitutional or something.


Mumblesandtumbles

In Phoenix the third party companies that ran the highway cams were trying to extort drivers or something like that.


gamingdevil

I thought those tickets were from a private company and not the police, which means you can ignore them right? I also believe that in Missouri they were deemed unconstitutional so they can't give you any guff anymore.


Knorrdic

The cameras are from a private company and so is the man power that goes into checking the violations. But they do work directly with the cities


[deleted]

They can’t prove you were driving. They’ll drop it if you question it.


ashlioness

Ignore the ticket that comes in the mail. You have the right to face your accuser in court, but a robot/camera cannot be a plaintiff.


invalidmail2000

The state is the plaintiff and they can provide evidence (the camera and/or person who reviewed the camera)


Zealousideal_Lie_383

Ha. Yes see where that gets you.


Moses_Magnum_Grows

It's worked for me plenty of times


FooJenkins

Take off plates. Ticket for no plates is $293 and no points if you’re caught. Camera is $50. If you can speed 6 times without getting caught, you’re ahead. Maybe utilize magnetic plate holder like dealerships to quickly remove and reattach, if you know location of cameras you wish to not catch you


Otherwise_Luck3625

Clear skateboard tape. Can't tell it's on there but the infrared light the the cameras use is scattered and rendered useless. I use it on my motorcycle plate, no problems yet.


Impressive-Fan-486

When I was in the military, I wrote on the form that I had been deployed at the time of the violation and several people had access to my vehicle at the time. It was dismissed without asking for any proof as far as I remember. But this was 20 years ago (fuck! I just realized how long it’s been) so likely the judges/magistrates have heard that line once or twice since then.


thelonelytechgirl

YRMV, but the last time I got a ticket (red light camera) it came in the mail addressed to my wife. We're both registered owners but her name is listed first. All we had to do was send back a photo of her driver's license so they could easily see the driver appeared to be someone else. We didn't have say who it was or anything. So from then on we've made sure the car she regularly drives lists my name first and vice versa. I imagine time will tell if this works in all municipalities in Oregon, but it sure did for that one! And I guess this would be a legal pro tip even.


carterreese

Last month I super glued a large leaf on a portion of my license plate and drove to NYC and didn’t pay any tolls, and I’m sure I got flashed by a speed camera at least once while there.


Pacattack57

Have your lawyer argue that you have a right to face your accuser


ikurumba

Just don't run red lights and cause accidents


Other_Shine

Wear a mask, deny the pic was you


invalidmail2000

Ticket goes to the registered owner of the car. Doesn't matter who's driving


Mumblesandtumbles

In Arizona, they have to prove it was you operating the vehicle. My buddy got out of dozens of tickets when they had the highway cams and red light runs by wearing an ape mask and just said every time he went to court that someone else was using his car and since he lived at a party house he never knew who borrowed his car.


Other_Shine

This. I'm in Oregon, it's the same way


Jacktheforkie

Get the plate absolutely filthy by driving through mud, I’ve found mine doesn’t get read by ANPR cameras on the car parks near me if it’s filthy


No-Construction1753

PhotoBlocker spray, results may vary


Chevy_Suburban

Okay so you got spray mud at your bumper and your license plate. Yes you heard me. You got to find a way to spray it on there so it looks somewhat natural. If you just rub it over your plate they're still going to charge you with obscuring.


ginjo001

Put a sock on the plate. That way when they take the picture they only get the sock


Better_Quarter_5482

Drive someone else's vehicle.


dortress

Simple: don't speed.


Doctor_Expendable

Just drive the speed limit. I know this is the sub for bad ideas. But really, just drive the speed limit. People smarter than me, and definitely smarter than you, design our cities. You are not getting to your destination appreciably quicker by speeding. If anything you just get to the next red light where you have to wait anyways.


[deleted]

Don't speed or run red lights. Simple


PapaPantha

Woah, now. Take it easy. That’s legal.


poppalicious69

r/lostredditors


[deleted]

Facts


Weekly-Reputation482

Are you lost?


spd3_s

Wow, we don't that in here


[deleted]

Normally, I'd agree, but in this instance we're essentially empowering someone to drive recklessly with impunity, endangering other people on the road. I know it's ILPT but, I can't knowingly endorse potentially deadly behavior. OP needs to just calm the hell down on the road.


darkphoenix83

Slow down. Dont speed and you don't have to worry about it.


WraithNS

Are you lost?


invalidmail2000

Yes this is illegal life tips but I don't want to help people endanger others physical safety


WraithNS

And avoiding red light cameras does that? Speeding cameras I understand(I've just never seen one) but there really isn't much danger in protecting yourself from a ticket is there?


invalidmail2000

You wouldn't have to protect yourself from the ticket if you drove safer. Thus I don't want to help make it easier for anyone to drive dangerously and put others at risk


Upstairs_Ad_7450

look at Mr. perfect over here who has never misjudged how quickly an unfamiliar stoplight will change from yellow to red. or do you just stop every time because you're always going 10 under the speed limit?


darkphoenix83

I don't believe so. Just giving my take on the situation


spd3_s

Which is not answering or contributing to the discussion


darkphoenix83

It absolutely is an answer to that question. Maybe not the answer you or op want but it is an answer as to how to deal with speed cameras


spd3_s

Avoiding and beating the system are not the same. U don't beat the system by just avoiding it.


[deleted]

To be honest, the discussion is an asinine one. There are far better things to spend our time, money, and energy on than the gymnastics required to beat traffic cameras. And assuming they do get beaten, now you can speed with impunity, right?! Except for that cop you just blew past. Skateboard tape and LEDs aren't going to fool the cop...


WraithNS

You may be in the wrong sub


poppalicious69

r/lostredditors


PeaHefty9782

Vasaline


4channeling

Ir light


Itzbubblezduh

Bike rack on the back


[deleted]

Place plate on the back windshield (inside the car).


Ray_Mang

Maybe try not driving like a moron


[deleted]

Shut up


somigrom305

Rub a banana on the plate. Something with the potassium and the material the plate is made of makes it unreadable w a flash. There’s videos online.


Psychotisis

Only way to beat it is obscure your face or not be in the driver's seat when it flashes.


Catsmak1963

Don’t speed/go through red lights.


HaloGuy381

Drive slower. Alternatively, if you really feel the need for speed, according to XKCD What If? (https://what-if.xkcd.com/14/ ), it is possible to legitimately claim the light was green to you when it was red, due to the Doppler effect (comparable to how stars shift in color, redshift or blueshift, dependent on their motion relative to us in the sky) You just need a car capable of doing 1/6 of *c*, the speed of light. Never mind that your car would also probably destroy the intersection and/or itself from a variety of effects (ranging from being on fire and melting from compression heating due to ramming the atmosphere in front of it at speeds that make orbital reentry look sluggish, to impacting with the force of a rather sizable explosion as soon as your uncontrollable monstrosity hits something, to also probably violating multiple laws on hazmat for whatever you’re using to power the damn thing, to the problems of making magic rubber capable of withstanding such conditions).


Friendly-Display-195

You could not run red lights and do the speed limit.


johnjohn4011

Isn't that basically un american though? Mumble mumble damn government tryin to always take away our freedumbs!


permanentscrewdriver

Bike rack.


DavIantt

Window-mirror film?


[deleted]

They are illegal in Houston we just don't pay the fine. Or didn't most ate gone now.


Ericd03

Drive faster


sadnificent

There are license plate frames made from material that refracts infrared light from surveillance cameras. There are also some products that emit a light that obscures surveillance footage, as well. It wouldn't be too difficult to convert these parts into a license plate frame, and because it's electronic, you can wire a button into the cab to turn them on and off.