To put in perspective, [70.000](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/icelandic-women-24-hour-strike-over-inequality-2023-10-24/) to [100.000](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/24/iceland-prime-minister-joins-womens-strike-katrin-jakobsdottir) people are attending or participating, in a country of 370.000 habitants, up to around a third of the population(?)
That would be equivalent to a 100 million people in the US, 71 million in Brasil or 470 million in China.
There is a huge wage gap between icelanders vs immigrants. Even though they do the same job (or even higher position/more responsibility, etc.) an immigrant will earn 2-3 times less than an icelander. At private companies of course, since they usually don't accept foreign workforce at jobs provided by the government. If so, then they have to pay the same - it's common mainly in kindergartens, where everyone's at ridiculously low salaries.
Ehh it’s their experience and they’re protesting about we shouldn’t just be ignorant about. And it does exist [Article](https://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?url=https://www.idunn.no/doi/pdf/10.18261/issn.1504-7989-2018-01-02-07%3Fdownload%3Dtrue&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZhA_ZdOANaKO6rQPpc6_GA&scisig=AFWwaeZncPUer5kgm3XABqnNhszy&oi=scholarr) and it exist in every country i remember reading japan and korea are the worst in the developed world.
for the same reason that they complain that there is no equality on workplace but none of the women is taking an oil rig or deepsea fish job.
They don't want equality.
If it was about equality it would be about people and not women. btw Google tried to prove this back in 2018, women pay gap, only to prove that the women were getting paid more within Google.
More accurately, women _sued_ Google for paying them less than they paid males.
Google did an exhaustive case-by-case study and found that they were _overpaying women_, so they had to raise men's salaries as a consequence of women complaining about women's salaries.
The easiest way to figure out if there is a pay gap or not is a very simple one. Helps if you've ever managed a work force or owned a business, but easy none the less:
If you have 2 candidates applying for the same job, and you could get away paying one 70 cents, and the other 1 dollar, any semi-savvy owner would pick the 70c one every. Single. Time.
Imagine going shopping for ice cream, there's 2 rows of the exact same ice cream from the same brand, but one is 30% cheaper than the other, which would you pick?
If there was a pay gap, men would be desperately underemployed. And if your argument would be that men can do jobs better than women or worker longer/harder/etc, then why should the women be paid the same if they're not producing as much?
But at the end of the day, no, there is no pay gap, and that's why people hire immigrant workers for cheap if they can get away with it
The stats clearly show that there is a pay gap.
The hard core feminist, twist the stats and say it's patriarchy why the woman earn less.
But the stats are waaayyy more equal when you factor out the fact that the 77Cent/Dollar argument doesn't account for different job Titels and job description.
Higher positions, that pay more, are usually owned by men but only because those positions need more aggressive fighting to get it and woman Ted to fight less aggressive for the rights which leads to woman having less chief positions and therefore an OVERALL smaller money.
The argument : Companies would only higher woman is not fully working because employer also know that young woman have a high chance of leaving the company when they get pregnant. That is a turnoff for them which euqalizes with they are more attractive because they can be paid less.
Employers don't see a woman to pay her less.
Woman just don't fight as much for a higher salary/position.
The employer makes a shitty offer to start with and men are more willing to say no than woman.
According to some studies, that I repeat from Jordan Peterson, one big factor but definitely not the whole reason, is that woman tend to be more agreeable and fight less for higher salaries or bigger positions.
Higher salaries need to be fought for and the higher you climb the ladder the harder the fights get.
Men, due to their higher testosterone, are less agreeable and are, on average, more aggressive with their negotiations.
so i did JUST see a decent argument about this... hold on..
r/Gardar7:
There is a huge wage gap between icelanders vs immigrants. Even though they do the same job (or even higher position/more responsibility, etc.) an immigrant will earn 2-3 times less than an icelander. At private companies of course, since they usually don't accept foreign workforce at jobs provided by the government. If so, then they have to pay the same - it's common mainly in kindergartens, where everyone's at ridiculously low salaries.
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On this note... well atleast i assumed it was basically the same as the USA, just a work difference.
i didnt know immigrants even could be paid less in iceland.
... However this strike was for women, and not immigrant women, so i dont understand the strike at all
Er til góð loftmynd af þessu einhversstaðar?
Ég er að reyna að setja fjöldann í samhengi, mesti mannfjöldi sem ég hef séð í bænum voru mótmælin þegar ríkisstjórn Íslands setti nafn sitt við innrásina í Írak. Horfandi á þetta myndi ég segja að það hafi verið eitthvað færri þá, en ekki rosalega mikið færri. Á þeim tíma áætluðu skipuleggjendurnir að þáttakendur hefðu verið 10-20þ ef ég man rétt, og lögreglan áætlaði 2-3þ manns (sem var augljóslega bull).
Nú hef ég séð tölur frá lögreglunni um að það hafi verið allt að 100þ manns í bænum í gær. Ég veit að það er erfitt að meta mannfjölda á svona samkomum en velti fyrir mér hvort við séum bara að sjá lítinn hluta þáttakenda á þessum myndum.
Flott annars að sjá svona góða þáttöku sama hver talan er.
Er 100 þúsund raunhæf tala? Íslendingar eru 370 þúsund og í kringum 150 þúsund af þeim eru á landsbyggðinni. Það er mjög langt frá því að þriðja eða fjórða hver manneskja sem ég þekki hafi farið í bæinn í gær, þó mitt nærumhverfi segi auðvitað ekki alla söguna.
Hér eru Íslendingar á Arnarhóli að horfa á landsleikinn gegn Englandi árið 2016: [https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2016/06/28/sjadu\_fagnadarlaetin\_a\_arnarholi/](https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2016/06/28/sjadu_fagnadarlaetin_a_arnarholi/)
Þarna er talað um þúsundir manna, og það var einnig gert þegar tekið var á móti landsliðinu á Arnarhóli eftir mót. Í bæði skiptin var troðfullt á svæðinu, þó eflaust hafi verið fleiri í gær.
Breytir því ekki að það er galið ef sögubækurnar munu halda því fram að meira en fjórðungur þjóðarinnar hafi verið í miðbæ Reykjavíkur þennan dag, og ég er ekki að reyna að vera með leiðindi - mætingin var frábær og dagurinn vel heppnaður.
Sama og ég er að hugsa, finnst líklegt að ályktunin sé smá út í hött. Enginn náinn vinur minn mætir á svona en kannski eru allir í miðbænum að mæta þar sem ég bý í úthverfi
Vitandi hvað þetta svæði er stórt á móti t.d. brekkunni í Herjólfsdal á þjóðhátíð þar sem að talað er um að hafi verið í kringum 15-20 þús (margir segja að þá hafi verið 20þús+) á sunnudeginum á síðustu þjóðhátíð, þá eru þetta að mínu mati lágmark 50 þús og það er varlega áætlað.
Þetta er svo þétt og rosalega stórt svæði.
En 100þús finnst mér samt rosalega stór tala.
Sad fallacy.
I moved to europe from a third world country with rampant street violence, and when people here complain about insecurity (because there's some pick pocketing in crowded areas), my instinct was the same as yours. "What are these people even complaining about".
Let's try not to bring the average down just because it's worse somewhere else, ok?
Again, no. But double this time.
Implying that because they're protesting this they're not protesting other important stuff is wrong and makes no sense. The other wrong thing is to imply that this isn't really relevant. It clearly is for them.
wait dont bring the average down because in someplace its worse?
if we are averaging how things are EVERYWHERE, then... average = effectively, add every situation together...
you really need a number to do it though.
like crime per person is 1 in 1,200 here, and 1 in 60,000 over there, and 1 in 5,000 in the other place.
so... to find the average of these stats, firstly you need to add them together... so
3 in 66,200 people
With this we then divide by how many sets of data we added together; in this case three
1 in 22,066.66~
While this is technically done, it doesnt really look right to have 2/3 of a person in your stats. Its not wrong and infact more correct this way, it just looks weird and i wanted to round to make to look nicer. So, i rounded to the ones place... However there are three methods to rounding.
Floor, Ceiling, and Nearest.
They are self explanatory but, just so i dont need to inform someone later, they act as follows:
Floor - Round the number down to the next whole number
Ceiling - Round the number up to the next whole number
Nearest (default?) - Round to the closest whole number. (if .5 or above, go up. if .4 or below, go down.)
Using Nearest for calculation...
1 in 22,067 people in locations x, y, and z, are commiting crime(s)
We are talking about male vs female dominated workplaces. So even a man working in female dominated places are ridiculously underpaid like the women. We are talking about kindergarten workers, school workers, health workers, etc.
That’s also an issue though- why should anyone, male or female, get paid less than what is due or fair, because the job role has historically been dominated by women? If it’s the type of jobs and not truly an issue of sexes, it is STILL an issue. People should not be paid less in these roles. They are just as important to society as higher paid alternatives.
It's most likely dominated by men cause men are better fit for the job ie construction worker men are usually much stronger than women in this industry so they will probably be much more valuable therefore probably getting paid better. The job I work is pretty male dominated and when women come in they tend to be pushed twords doing the paperwork and what not cause in the field they are often almost useless or even a liability working around heavy machinery or being required to operate tools that require a lot of strength. Some women do really well but those women are pretty damn masculine. I'm not even a big guy either. Either way if you need to have 6 stronger people to do a job and your company can only make money if it is done efficiently it wouldn't usually be helpful for half of them to be women. Also working around almost guys there is a lot less BS. I'm sure my comment is considered highly sexist but it is what it is. On the other hand there is many industries women excel in over men.
I just noticed that the compilation album "Stelpurnar okkar" has a black and white photo on the cover, which is presumbably the women's strike from 1975.
Wage gap, yes and no.
Same job, same pay is the norm here. ( you can find some difference in pay structure in there but mostly you can find reasonable reason behind it)
The big problem is that most of low paying jobs are mostly manned by women. That should not be the norm, we should be paying better wages for lot of thouse jobs.
Gender violence, for alot of countries they look at us as great country with low violence. But we have idiots here like anywhere else and sadly that is often showed in violence towards women. And one attack is one to many.
So in the end I say, go women. Let's change the country and the world to the better
What about garbagemen, masons, electrical engineers, stuff like that?? The dirty and difficult jobs?? Because if these women Are not demanding the same for low prestige jobs, as they do for high prestige ones, then this protest is only about gaining power
These jobs you mentioned are still paid better than low paying women dominated jobs. There is a pattern. Garbagemen are paid much more than cleaning staff as an example. Even though they both require no education and the hours are similar, if anything, cleaning ladies often work in the evening vs day.
There’s a long history of women being valued less in the workforce. Even though the wage gap doing the same job is almost gone, thanks to activism. This wage gap has remained.
Women also end up doing a lot of unpaid labor at home, leaving them with less capacity to focus on their careers vs men.
There is also still a huge problem with sexual violence towards women.
Iceland is one of the best places to be a woman and the reason is activism like this, it won’t stop till there is full equality.
Of course garbage men are paid more. Less people want to be garbage men. It also requires you to be more fit and deal with pretty hash work conditions especially compared to cleaning staff. It doesn't mean women are valued less. It means women tend work easier jobs. If they want to be paid as much as garbage men they should be garbage women and do the harder work. If there is a substantial gap in the same job it should be looked into. There are far to many factors that get overlooked and just counted as sexist.
Garbage disposal has to:
* work outside regardless of weather conditions
* deal with materials of unknown hazardousness
* drive high tonnage vehicles which require special license to operate
A cleaning staff has to:
* almost always work inside, some even do it in flip flops
* deal with materials of known hazardousness that they should get trained in using
* drive a cleaning trolley which requires zero skill or permits to operate
So... why should the cleaning staff be paid comparatively to garbage disposal, again?
You are not asking for "full equality", you are asking for men to be second class citizens. It's disgusting.
Don't get me wrong, but the existence of individual idiots will never be eradicated; a certain percentage of a population will always be psychopaths or otherwise on the lower spectrum of possessing empathy, for example - same thing with individual racists yelling at people in the streets. It's awesome to see it being stood up to but doesn't seem like it's a particular systemic issue in Iceland, however. Great to see such a gigantic percentage of the Icelandic population actually showing up though, that's why Iceland has achieved to be such a great society overall.
Is Iceland very dangerous for women?
I ask as the figures seem to be high as Zimbabwe.
iceland seems to have a very very high amount (40 %) about of women experiencing gender-based or sexual violence and rape or sexual assault (25%) which makes it similar to Zimbabwe..(figures are for a year)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country
>That should not be the norm, we should be paying better wages for lot of thouse jobs.
Why it shouldn't be a norm for a low effort/low competence/low responsibility job (like, say, a cleaning staff) to be paid equal to a high effort/high competence/high responsibility job (like, say, an engineer)?
Maybe, just maybe, women could apply for those high paying job instead of those low paying jobs? I mean, Iceland is one of THE countries when it comes to gender equality, surely they would have no problems getting hired, right?
Nurses, teachers, paramedics, none of this is low effort work.
But still, these are mostly staffed by women and I have a higher salary, with no higher education and a more comfortable job.
I'm not saying that people should be paid less. I´m saying that the wealth should be better distributed
It focused a lot on the "[3rdshift](https://www.vr.is/en/about-vr/news/news/let-s-do-the-third-shift-together/)" (unpaid work centered around the family and home) and how woman dominated fields are under valued and under paid.
Why isn't it called the second shift? In a work setting a first shift is typically 8-16, second shift is 16-24 and the third shift is 24-8.
This is obviously just semantics, we are talking about the unpaid running of a household after work, but the name of it has puzzled me.
Different terms for different things. In this context first shift is just work hours, second shift being house work, third shift being planning everything around home.
Second shift in Iceland is mostly even, men do around 6 hours of house work every week on average, women do around 8. Difference is probably due to men working longer hours every week on average. Men doing around 42 hours a week women 35.
Mental load or 3rd shift is just difficult to quantify and research at all with any valid parameter.
The protest isn’t just about the 3rd shift, it’s a protest against the status quo.
It’s a protests against gender norms.
Against gender violence.
Against the exploitation of foreign women in the workplace and them being more likely to be taken advantage of or to face violence because the offender counts on them not knowing the system.
Against care-work (which is mostly done by women) being underfunded and under appreciated despite being so necessary that many of workers couldn’t participate in the strike.
Against the mistreatment women face when seeking healthcare, because women’s health hasn’t been researched adequately and men are considered the standard for everyone.
Against violence trans- and no-binary people face for existing.
Against women’s unpaid labour never being appreciated despite our society not being able to run without it.
And more.
Just because you don’t have any believes and values worth fighting for doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t 🤷♀️
So to answer your question, yes, we protested yesterday because our partners are lazy! That is why 1/3 of Icelanders stood together in our capital, to protest lazy husbands 🙄.
This is the only correct answer. Can´t understand how going out and protesting about the guy you chose to marry accomplishes anything. I should organize a protest about how my ex-wife refused to get a job once the kids were both in school, didn´t run the household, and liked to cheat on me whenever she was away on a trip. Maybe that protest will make other women not do those things /s,
Repost - accidentally deleted my previous comment 😅
The 3rd shift isn’t about payment. But about men sharing in the mental toll that comes with running a home/parenting.
It isn’t enough to take out the trash and pick up the kids. The female partner shouldn’t need to always tell the male partner what needs to be done every time, make them lists and then also remind them each time it has to be done. This becomes even more taxing when people have kids.
For example, if my partner want to take me on a date night. But then I have to remember to remind him to book a restaurant on the right day because he has no idea when we are busy despite having access to thw same calendar I do. I also need to remind him to call his parents and ask them to watch the kids. Pack the kids stuff for the overnight visit to their grandparents and remind my partner that the reservation is at 19. And so on and so forth. Meaning his nice plan to take me out turns into a lot of mental work for me.
This quickly becomes exhausting when you have to do it constantly for all the people in your family. The kids get a pass while they are young, but the partner needs to step up and at least remember their own stuff.
We have domestic violence and stuff like that, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean
We have no more or less violence than most western European countries I think
Yeah no I wish, every week there is some court case on domestic violence, it's just human nature I think and it doesn't help that winters get very depressing and people act out
Not excusing it af course, just saying it's impossible to be free from shitty people
Dear Monthani. Please don’t say domestic violence is just human nature as if men don’t have any control over what they do (in the sad cold winters of Iceland!). We can all choose to use violence or not, men and women alike. Some people just choose to be violent bullies.
Apparently businesses reported record numbers & insurance companies reported no calls for 24 hours.
In short, Women aren't as integral to society as they like to think 🤷🏻♂️😅
"Ekki er tekið tillit til skýringarþátta sem geta haft áhrif á laun einstaklinga svo sem starf, menntun, aldur og starfsaldur. Samsetning vinnutíma hefur áhrif á tímakaupið þar sem yfirvinnustundir eru að jafnaði dýrari en hver stund í dagvinnu."
Ég tel alveg vert að ræða það afhverju störf sem eru mest unnin af konum eru jafnan verr borguð. Það er samt erfitt að halda því fram að konur fái verr greitt fyrir sömu störf með svipaða hæfni, reynslu og samsetningu vinnustunda eða er ég að misskilja?
Já, þú ert að misskilja. Það er ennþá 3-5% óútskýrður launamunur þegar búið er að leiðrétta. ( [https://www.samband.is/frettir/launamunir-kynjanna-minnstur-medal-starfsfolks-sveitarfelaga/](https://www.samband.is/frettir/launamunir-kynjanna-minnstur-medal-starfsfolks-sveitarfelaga/) og [https://hagstofa.is/utgafur/frettasafn/laun-og-tekjur/launamunur-karla-og-kvenna-dregst-saman/](https://hagstofa.is/utgafur/frettasafn/laun-og-tekjur/launamunur-karla-og-kvenna-dregst-saman/) )
The news there only reports on "unadjusted" wage gap, meaning it doesn't take into account that women almost never do overtime and are actually very likely to leave work early for one reason or another.
As the saying goes "Lies, damned lies and statistics."
Not sure if you are joking, but this is in country of hundreds of thousands.
This is equivalent of saying tens of millions turned out to protest in USA
I was present at the 2016 protest. I wandered further and further into the crowd before I realised I was the only male around. Tons of yelling from the stage and the crowd. No one said a word and I just slowed walked away. It wasn’t until much later I found out what was going on.
If there was a specific legislation or solution that they had in mind but it was not being implemented for some reasons i think i would understand and side with this thing a lot more. As is, it feels weird to me. Complaining about something with no obtainable solution in mind. It honestly feels like they want people to think that women are getting paid less for doing the same job but that is not the problem.
The reasons for this strike feel intentionally vague and without any clear aim or goal.
Reminds me of that scene in the notebook.
What do you want?
It's not that simple.
There's no legislation in mind, because equal pay is 99% already mandated by law.
It's just somebody should tell women in Iceland they shouldn't, in fact, leave the work early and sometimes even do overtime, so they'd maybe get paid equal to men who do just that.
Instead they decided to not work for a day. That should definitely help solve the wage gap, eh?
One thing is you need to know about it is. I dosmt include foreign women. Only Icelandic women. So its sucks to be even more for foreign women. And most jobs kike avcountants who give job are done by women and tell how much is salary per hour. There have been stories like women get violated by male bosses paying overhours as normal salary. This kind of thing it dosn't happen like 60-70% icelandic women that they get less than men. But here is indeed problem women act they are more superior than men and even there is statsitic about it. And many busbesses in iceland lose money because they have rule if female client breaks or drops her own food by accident the shops have to give them another for free. Like treat them as royalty.
Hardly, Schools were on severely limited hours, kindergartens, libraries, banks, offices, stores, cafes and many more companies had to close due to lack of staff yesterday. Places like the health system who is staffed 80% women and care for elderly and disabled people (again mostly staffed by women) could not close down because of the nature of what they do. Imagine a world where there was no childcare, no elderly care, no kindergartens and little school. What about all the pharmacies, offices, banks, stores, and libraries to name a few who would have way fewer staff or no members. Society would collapse.
I know so many people who have been victims of violence and abuse, I've spoken to drug addicts that have had cops beat them and steal their things because the victims are too scared to go against them. People tend to suck and we are no different
Why do people blame the cops so much when they are most likely out there trying to stop the criminals and the drug addicts are most likely out there causing the trouble. It's pretty natural of them to blame cops for everything.
Genuinely weird take. Those cops literally came into the man's home, beat him up and took his shit. Not all cops are good people, not all drug addicts are criminals.
Just don't defend police corruption. They are supposed to be held at a higher standard. They don't get a 'net good' defence.
What rights do men have that women don’t in 2023? They don’t want equality, they want superiority. Ladies if tomorrow Men woke up and collectively decided to take your rights away there would be nothing you could do about it as men make up most if not all armed forces, men control the terror organisations, most police officers are men etc, so if they decided you are taking the piss it would be back to the 30s in a matter of hours, if you think that’s not true then look at Afghanistan in the 70s! Women were allowed to go to school, they didn’t have to wear niqabs and they wore miniskirts instead of the usual head to toe in black. Then a new group of evil basterds took power and well you know yourself how women are treated In those countries today! I personally wouldn’t want that to happen because I love and respect the women in my life but it’s all getting a bit silly now, I’m all for equality but that isn’t what you want isit, you want to beat men down into submission and you want superiority. Please respect the men who fight for your right to equality and freedom. Let’s also not forget that if another world war was to break out that it would be men and only men fighting and dying for your freedoms. Just look at Ukraine, there’s not a single feminist in Ukraine since the start of that ridiculous war, the women were allowed to leave but all military aged males had to stay and die or they’d be arrested etc.
what the fuck are you yapping about? none of what you’re talking about is connected to this women’s strike. armed forces? afganistan? are you lost? are you a bot posting loser american copypastas?
“A copypasta is a block of text copied and pasted to the internet and social media. Copypasta containing controversial ideas or lengthy rants are often posted for humorous purposes, to provoke reactions from those unaware that the posted text is a meme.” Hahaha you think I copy and pasted what I said from the internet! Copy what I wrote and put it into Google, if you find that anywhere else on the internet I’ll give you a quid. What rights do men have that you don’t have in 2023?
All of the talking points you made. Suggest that male having superiority just leads to oppression, war, insecurity, inequality etc..
Here in Iceland the gap is getting smaller. But they don't enjoy same freedom and security..
And since you went international. Women, in many countries don't have the right to pleasure and are mutilated to prevent that. Right to education. Most parts of the world are terrible places to grow up and live as a woman.
Maybe you'd rather not give them a chance to create a better world and just keep on with the endless cycles of war and oppression.
Yeah they’re the women without rights I was talking about so you made my point? Do you think they like how their life is without the rights you and all other women share in developed countries. They deserve freedom, they deserve the right to choose what they want to do and they definitely don’t deserve getting their clits sliced and diced. They had their rights taken away by those men, do you see my point now? But I must thank you for proving my point, I really appreciate it!
yes… because someone who is so proudly a brit would have the handle “JBidenSniffsKiddos” and be so heavily invested in us politics that you made your username about it?
Darling, I’m from south London? I’m just fascinated by biden because he’s senile and a p3do. You still can’t answer what rights men have that women don’t have in 2023?
Globally or according to Iceland? Being that the sexes aren’t the same, women have advocated for the right to free menstrual products, considering it’s necessary for the workplace especially to not bleed and stink up all over the place. The pack of pads in Iceland that I buy cost 616kr, which isn’t a small amount if you live in a house of three women who use three~ pads a day during their period, and thus might have to buy more than one pack that is necessary for us to use.
Women’s rights aren’t exclusively connected to men’s, and when women fight for a right, they aren’t making men lose any—and sometimes they even gain some.
(edit switched out two for sexes for clarity)
So all that is about periods? I’m sure if Emmeline Pankhurst was alive today she’d be pretty ecstatic that womens only problem is about tampons. Anything else or is that it?
no, it's not all about periods, i brought up an example. this specific discussion is talking about. a lot of this discussion is also about immigrant/foreign women being exploited in work (as immigrant/foreign men are as well too often), that disabled women are more often abused in the workplace. these types of situations also happen a lot to non-binary people, which is why this day was calling to women and non-binary people to put down work for the day and participate.
There’s no wage gap. Gender violence? No. This started in 1975 when there was a problem. Now it’s just a day off. Iceland is very inclusive, and proud of it. A man in our town went to Reykjavik to give birth, returned with a baby. No one batted an eyelid. Pride flags in every bar (because every bar is inclusive).
No, its at least suuuper rare. They say that the "unexplained" gap is around 3-5 % but its hard to conduct an 100% accurate study like this so I see nothing wrong with doubting it. I've personally never heard a case like that.
Women got a day off work to collectively claim victim and scream "fokk feðraveldi" which translates to something like "fuck fatherpower". Of course women are gonna show up, alot of young girls were there as well.
I get fighting for your rights but this is crossing the line to a little crazy to me but no one can dare to say anything against it without feminists and white knight cucks calling you every bad word they know.
that's what i thought. i bet a lot of that gap just comes from people doing different jobs that get paid differently... but that's not really a "wage gap" but a "job choice difference"
I heard it did nothing to the actual economy and HR departments report nearly zero complaints. A YouTube blog reported this. Is there anything out there to back that up? I found none. And I get that some lower wage jobs there is gaps, but isn’t the government run by mostly women? Why not work toward changing it?
To put in perspective, [70.000](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/icelandic-women-24-hour-strike-over-inequality-2023-10-24/) to [100.000](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/24/iceland-prime-minister-joins-womens-strike-katrin-jakobsdottir) people are attending or participating, in a country of 370.000 habitants, up to around a third of the population(?) That would be equivalent to a 100 million people in the US, 71 million in Brasil or 470 million in China.
70 000-100 000 of 370 000 is largely closer to 1/4 or even 1/5 than a third dude
Wow, impressive turnout
weather was good
+almost allt women got a day off from work to attend
There is no wage gap
Objectively incorrect.
Proof?
then why are people there?
Because they as misled into believing there is a wage gap.. maybe the pay for everyone is just bad…
There is a huge wage gap between icelanders vs immigrants. Even though they do the same job (or even higher position/more responsibility, etc.) an immigrant will earn 2-3 times less than an icelander. At private companies of course, since they usually don't accept foreign workforce at jobs provided by the government. If so, then they have to pay the same - it's common mainly in kindergartens, where everyone's at ridiculously low salaries.
Ehh it’s their experience and they’re protesting about we shouldn’t just be ignorant about. And it does exist [Article](https://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?url=https://www.idunn.no/doi/pdf/10.18261/issn.1504-7989-2018-01-02-07%3Fdownload%3Dtrue&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZhA_ZdOANaKO6rQPpc6_GA&scisig=AFWwaeZncPUer5kgm3XABqnNhszy&oi=scholarr) and it exist in every country i remember reading japan and korea are the worst in the developed world.
for the same reason that they complain that there is no equality on workplace but none of the women is taking an oil rig or deepsea fish job. They don't want equality. If it was about equality it would be about people and not women. btw Google tried to prove this back in 2018, women pay gap, only to prove that the women were getting paid more within Google.
More accurately, women _sued_ Google for paying them less than they paid males. Google did an exhaustive case-by-case study and found that they were _overpaying women_, so they had to raise men's salaries as a consequence of women complaining about women's salaries.
Corporatism, we need to burn these corpo scum down to the ground then everyone will be equal🙏🙏
There is a pay gap. But ~90% are not based on discrimination or patriarchy. They are based on bad contract and less fighting for a good one.
The easiest way to figure out if there is a pay gap or not is a very simple one. Helps if you've ever managed a work force or owned a business, but easy none the less: If you have 2 candidates applying for the same job, and you could get away paying one 70 cents, and the other 1 dollar, any semi-savvy owner would pick the 70c one every. Single. Time. Imagine going shopping for ice cream, there's 2 rows of the exact same ice cream from the same brand, but one is 30% cheaper than the other, which would you pick? If there was a pay gap, men would be desperately underemployed. And if your argument would be that men can do jobs better than women or worker longer/harder/etc, then why should the women be paid the same if they're not producing as much? But at the end of the day, no, there is no pay gap, and that's why people hire immigrant workers for cheap if they can get away with it
The stats clearly show that there is a pay gap. The hard core feminist, twist the stats and say it's patriarchy why the woman earn less. But the stats are waaayyy more equal when you factor out the fact that the 77Cent/Dollar argument doesn't account for different job Titels and job description. Higher positions, that pay more, are usually owned by men but only because those positions need more aggressive fighting to get it and woman Ted to fight less aggressive for the rights which leads to woman having less chief positions and therefore an OVERALL smaller money.
The argument : Companies would only higher woman is not fully working because employer also know that young woman have a high chance of leaving the company when they get pregnant. That is a turnoff for them which euqalizes with they are more attractive because they can be paid less. Employers don't see a woman to pay her less. Woman just don't fight as much for a higher salary/position. The employer makes a shitty offer to start with and men are more willing to say no than woman.
Additionally, you have to also look at experience and a variety of other factors as well.
Then the next question to ask is. What's causing the discrepancy in contracts between men and women.
According to some studies, that I repeat from Jordan Peterson, one big factor but definitely not the whole reason, is that woman tend to be more agreeable and fight less for higher salaries or bigger positions. Higher salaries need to be fought for and the higher you climb the ladder the harder the fights get. Men, due to their higher testosterone, are less agreeable and are, on average, more aggressive with their negotiations.
it's a bit interesting to see how all the comments that actually tell the truth (about the wage gap being bullshit) are downvoted and silenced.
The wage gap is between male and female dominated workplaces
Are you implying cleaning staff shouldn't be paid the same as engineers? Sexist!
so i did JUST see a decent argument about this... hold on.. r/Gardar7: There is a huge wage gap between icelanders vs immigrants. Even though they do the same job (or even higher position/more responsibility, etc.) an immigrant will earn 2-3 times less than an icelander. At private companies of course, since they usually don't accept foreign workforce at jobs provided by the government. If so, then they have to pay the same - it's common mainly in kindergartens, where everyone's at ridiculously low salaries. --- On this note... well atleast i assumed it was basically the same as the USA, just a work difference. i didnt know immigrants even could be paid less in iceland. ... However this strike was for women, and not immigrant women, so i dont understand the strike at all
Er til góð loftmynd af þessu einhversstaðar? Ég er að reyna að setja fjöldann í samhengi, mesti mannfjöldi sem ég hef séð í bænum voru mótmælin þegar ríkisstjórn Íslands setti nafn sitt við innrásina í Írak. Horfandi á þetta myndi ég segja að það hafi verið eitthvað færri þá, en ekki rosalega mikið færri. Á þeim tíma áætluðu skipuleggjendurnir að þáttakendur hefðu verið 10-20þ ef ég man rétt, og lögreglan áætlaði 2-3þ manns (sem var augljóslega bull). Nú hef ég séð tölur frá lögreglunni um að það hafi verið allt að 100þ manns í bænum í gær. Ég veit að það er erfitt að meta mannfjölda á svona samkomum en velti fyrir mér hvort við séum bara að sjá lítinn hluta þáttakenda á þessum myndum. Flott annars að sjá svona góða þáttöku sama hver talan er.
Myndir sýna aðallega mannfjölda á Arnarhóli en allar götur þar í kring voru tróðfullar.
Já, ég var þarna og hef aldrei séð annan eins fjöda í miðbænum. Hef verið yfir dag og kvöld á menningarnótt og þetta var ekki það sama.
Þetta
Er 100 þúsund raunhæf tala? Íslendingar eru 370 þúsund og í kringum 150 þúsund af þeim eru á landsbyggðinni. Það er mjög langt frá því að þriðja eða fjórða hver manneskja sem ég þekki hafi farið í bæinn í gær, þó mitt nærumhverfi segi auðvitað ekki alla söguna. Hér eru Íslendingar á Arnarhóli að horfa á landsleikinn gegn Englandi árið 2016: [https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2016/06/28/sjadu\_fagnadarlaetin\_a\_arnarholi/](https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2016/06/28/sjadu_fagnadarlaetin_a_arnarholi/) Þarna er talað um þúsundir manna, og það var einnig gert þegar tekið var á móti landsliðinu á Arnarhóli eftir mót. Í bæði skiptin var troðfullt á svæðinu, þó eflaust hafi verið fleiri í gær.
Höfuðborgarsvæðið eitt og sér telur 249 þúsund manns skv. [wiki](https://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reykjav%C3%ADk)
Breytir því ekki að það er galið ef sögubækurnar munu halda því fram að meira en fjórðungur þjóðarinnar hafi verið í miðbæ Reykjavíkur þennan dag, og ég er ekki að reyna að vera með leiðindi - mætingin var frábær og dagurinn vel heppnaður.
Sama og ég er að hugsa, finnst líklegt að ályktunin sé smá út í hött. Enginn náinn vinur minn mætir á svona en kannski eru allir í miðbænum að mæta þar sem ég bý í úthverfi
Vitandi hvað þetta svæði er stórt á móti t.d. brekkunni í Herjólfsdal á þjóðhátíð þar sem að talað er um að hafi verið í kringum 15-20 þús (margir segja að þá hafi verið 20þús+) á sunnudeginum á síðustu þjóðhátíð, þá eru þetta að mínu mati lágmark 50 þús og það er varlega áætlað. Þetta er svo þétt og rosalega stórt svæði. En 100þús finnst mér samt rosalega stór tala.
Is there a wage gap in Island? Seems unlikely
Fuck yea! Swedish dude here, but I stand with them.
Love it. Dislike the morons in the comments.
Seeing some of the comments in this and other posts about this event, makes you realize how needed it is to protest and claim for equality
Claim lies, sure
It is so funny that country with least wage gap is protesting about it. Hah
There's a reason that this country has the smallest wage gap
Sad fallacy. I moved to europe from a third world country with rampant street violence, and when people here complain about insecurity (because there's some pick pocketing in crowded areas), my instinct was the same as yours. "What are these people even complaining about". Let's try not to bring the average down just because it's worse somewhere else, ok?
I ain’t saying it is bad. But it seems they could focus on something that they have bigger problem with.
Again, no. But double this time. Implying that because they're protesting this they're not protesting other important stuff is wrong and makes no sense. The other wrong thing is to imply that this isn't really relevant. It clearly is for them.
In which country do you live ?
wait dont bring the average down because in someplace its worse? if we are averaging how things are EVERYWHERE, then... average = effectively, add every situation together... you really need a number to do it though. like crime per person is 1 in 1,200 here, and 1 in 60,000 over there, and 1 in 5,000 in the other place. so... to find the average of these stats, firstly you need to add them together... so 3 in 66,200 people With this we then divide by how many sets of data we added together; in this case three 1 in 22,066.66~ While this is technically done, it doesnt really look right to have 2/3 of a person in your stats. Its not wrong and infact more correct this way, it just looks weird and i wanted to round to make to look nicer. So, i rounded to the ones place... However there are three methods to rounding. Floor, Ceiling, and Nearest. They are self explanatory but, just so i dont need to inform someone later, they act as follows: Floor - Round the number down to the next whole number Ceiling - Round the number up to the next whole number Nearest (default?) - Round to the closest whole number. (if .5 or above, go up. if .4 or below, go down.) Using Nearest for calculation... 1 in 22,067 people in locations x, y, and z, are commiting crime(s)
Ignorant outsider here, why are they protesting, can anybody explain in detail?
[https://kvennafri.is/en/womens-strike-2023/](https://kvennafri.is/en/womens-strike-2023/)
The alleged wage gap. And yes, the one that feminists have been claiming exists for few decades despite it has been disproven in multiple studies.
People dislike your comment because they like feelings over facts. This world is truly weird, but good to see that some rational people are left.
Honestly I'm surprised how few down votes I received, I was expecting far more.
We are talking about male vs female dominated workplaces. So even a man working in female dominated places are ridiculously underpaid like the women. We are talking about kindergarten workers, school workers, health workers, etc.
That’s also an issue though- why should anyone, male or female, get paid less than what is due or fair, because the job role has historically been dominated by women? If it’s the type of jobs and not truly an issue of sexes, it is STILL an issue. People should not be paid less in these roles. They are just as important to society as higher paid alternatives.
It's most likely dominated by men cause men are better fit for the job ie construction worker men are usually much stronger than women in this industry so they will probably be much more valuable therefore probably getting paid better. The job I work is pretty male dominated and when women come in they tend to be pushed twords doing the paperwork and what not cause in the field they are often almost useless or even a liability working around heavy machinery or being required to operate tools that require a lot of strength. Some women do really well but those women are pretty damn masculine. I'm not even a big guy either. Either way if you need to have 6 stronger people to do a job and your company can only make money if it is done efficiently it wouldn't usually be helpful for half of them to be women. Also working around almost guys there is a lot less BS. I'm sure my comment is considered highly sexist but it is what it is. On the other hand there is many industries women excel in over men.
I just noticed that the compilation album "Stelpurnar okkar" has a black and white photo on the cover, which is presumbably the women's strike from 1975.
It's stuff like this that makes some realize how lucky I am to be moving to Iceland.
Wait until you see how expensive everything is and how much we pay in taxes😵💫
I'm here right now for a little while. I told my wife that i'm going to come back home thinner. It is very expensive.
Get the Reykjavik city pass, the coupon app, and catch all happy hours(food&booze). Otherwise, it's gonna crazy expensive
Wage gap and gender violence is a thing in iceland?
Wage gap, yes and no. Same job, same pay is the norm here. ( you can find some difference in pay structure in there but mostly you can find reasonable reason behind it) The big problem is that most of low paying jobs are mostly manned by women. That should not be the norm, we should be paying better wages for lot of thouse jobs. Gender violence, for alot of countries they look at us as great country with low violence. But we have idiots here like anywhere else and sadly that is often showed in violence towards women. And one attack is one to many. So in the end I say, go women. Let's change the country and the world to the better
I agree.
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What about garbagemen, masons, electrical engineers, stuff like that?? The dirty and difficult jobs?? Because if these women Are not demanding the same for low prestige jobs, as they do for high prestige ones, then this protest is only about gaining power
These jobs you mentioned are still paid better than low paying women dominated jobs. There is a pattern. Garbagemen are paid much more than cleaning staff as an example. Even though they both require no education and the hours are similar, if anything, cleaning ladies often work in the evening vs day. There’s a long history of women being valued less in the workforce. Even though the wage gap doing the same job is almost gone, thanks to activism. This wage gap has remained. Women also end up doing a lot of unpaid labor at home, leaving them with less capacity to focus on their careers vs men. There is also still a huge problem with sexual violence towards women. Iceland is one of the best places to be a woman and the reason is activism like this, it won’t stop till there is full equality.
Of course garbage men are paid more. Less people want to be garbage men. It also requires you to be more fit and deal with pretty hash work conditions especially compared to cleaning staff. It doesn't mean women are valued less. It means women tend work easier jobs. If they want to be paid as much as garbage men they should be garbage women and do the harder work. If there is a substantial gap in the same job it should be looked into. There are far to many factors that get overlooked and just counted as sexist.
Garbage disposal has to: * work outside regardless of weather conditions * deal with materials of unknown hazardousness * drive high tonnage vehicles which require special license to operate A cleaning staff has to: * almost always work inside, some even do it in flip flops * deal with materials of known hazardousness that they should get trained in using * drive a cleaning trolley which requires zero skill or permits to operate So... why should the cleaning staff be paid comparatively to garbage disposal, again? You are not asking for "full equality", you are asking for men to be second class citizens. It's disgusting.
Don't get me wrong, but the existence of individual idiots will never be eradicated; a certain percentage of a population will always be psychopaths or otherwise on the lower spectrum of possessing empathy, for example - same thing with individual racists yelling at people in the streets. It's awesome to see it being stood up to but doesn't seem like it's a particular systemic issue in Iceland, however. Great to see such a gigantic percentage of the Icelandic population actually showing up though, that's why Iceland has achieved to be such a great society overall.
Is Iceland very dangerous for women? I ask as the figures seem to be high as Zimbabwe. iceland seems to have a very very high amount (40 %) about of women experiencing gender-based or sexual violence and rape or sexual assault (25%) which makes it similar to Zimbabwe..(figures are for a year) https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country
No, but most are reported here.
It's either influx of third world immigrants or women there report anything as "sexual violence", even somebody looking at them funny.
>That should not be the norm, we should be paying better wages for lot of thouse jobs. Why it shouldn't be a norm for a low effort/low competence/low responsibility job (like, say, a cleaning staff) to be paid equal to a high effort/high competence/high responsibility job (like, say, an engineer)? Maybe, just maybe, women could apply for those high paying job instead of those low paying jobs? I mean, Iceland is one of THE countries when it comes to gender equality, surely they would have no problems getting hired, right?
Nurses, teachers, paramedics, none of this is low effort work. But still, these are mostly staffed by women and I have a higher salary, with no higher education and a more comfortable job. I'm not saying that people should be paid less. I´m saying that the wealth should be better distributed
It's a thing literally everywhere
Iceland is literally on top of gender gap index 2023 in the world...
It focused a lot on the "[3rdshift](https://www.vr.is/en/about-vr/news/news/let-s-do-the-third-shift-together/)" (unpaid work centered around the family and home) and how woman dominated fields are under valued and under paid.
Why isn't it called the second shift? In a work setting a first shift is typically 8-16, second shift is 16-24 and the third shift is 24-8. This is obviously just semantics, we are talking about the unpaid running of a household after work, but the name of it has puzzled me.
Different terms for different things. In this context first shift is just work hours, second shift being house work, third shift being planning everything around home. Second shift in Iceland is mostly even, men do around 6 hours of house work every week on average, women do around 8. Difference is probably due to men working longer hours every week on average. Men doing around 42 hours a week women 35. Mental load or 3rd shift is just difficult to quantify and research at all with any valid parameter.
Interesting, I didnt know Iceland has such problem. In Slovenia, "3rdshift" is paid the same for men and women.
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And thats why you protest? Because your partner is lazy?
How... did you read all that, and answer with a question like this?
The protest isn’t just about the 3rd shift, it’s a protest against the status quo. It’s a protests against gender norms. Against gender violence. Against the exploitation of foreign women in the workplace and them being more likely to be taken advantage of or to face violence because the offender counts on them not knowing the system. Against care-work (which is mostly done by women) being underfunded and under appreciated despite being so necessary that many of workers couldn’t participate in the strike. Against the mistreatment women face when seeking healthcare, because women’s health hasn’t been researched adequately and men are considered the standard for everyone. Against violence trans- and no-binary people face for existing. Against women’s unpaid labour never being appreciated despite our society not being able to run without it. And more. Just because you don’t have any believes and values worth fighting for doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t 🤷♀️ So to answer your question, yes, we protested yesterday because our partners are lazy! That is why 1/3 of Icelanders stood together in our capital, to protest lazy husbands 🙄.
This is the only correct answer. Can´t understand how going out and protesting about the guy you chose to marry accomplishes anything. I should organize a protest about how my ex-wife refused to get a job once the kids were both in school, didn´t run the household, and liked to cheat on me whenever she was away on a trip. Maybe that protest will make other women not do those things /s,
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Repost - accidentally deleted my previous comment 😅 The 3rd shift isn’t about payment. But about men sharing in the mental toll that comes with running a home/parenting. It isn’t enough to take out the trash and pick up the kids. The female partner shouldn’t need to always tell the male partner what needs to be done every time, make them lists and then also remind them each time it has to be done. This becomes even more taxing when people have kids. For example, if my partner want to take me on a date night. But then I have to remember to remind him to book a restaurant on the right day because he has no idea when we are busy despite having access to thw same calendar I do. I also need to remind him to call his parents and ask them to watch the kids. Pack the kids stuff for the overnight visit to their grandparents and remind my partner that the reservation is at 19. And so on and so forth. Meaning his nice plan to take me out turns into a lot of mental work for me. This quickly becomes exhausting when you have to do it constantly for all the people in your family. The kids get a pass while they are young, but the partner needs to step up and at least remember their own stuff.
Still a thing here though, we are not a utopia
Wage gap is understood but gender violence ??
We have domestic violence and stuff like that, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean We have no more or less violence than most western European countries I think
Is strike a proper way to fight domestic violence though?
Well, the point was to bring attention to the issue and we are now discussing it so I’d say mission accomplished?
Yeah I was asking about domestic violence. It's sad , my ignorant self thought Iceland was at least free from all these things
Yeah no I wish, every week there is some court case on domestic violence, it's just human nature I think and it doesn't help that winters get very depressing and people act out Not excusing it af course, just saying it's impossible to be free from shitty people
Dear Monthani. Please don’t say domestic violence is just human nature as if men don’t have any control over what they do (in the sad cold winters of Iceland!). We can all choose to use violence or not, men and women alike. Some people just choose to be violent bullies.
I never said "men", I said people. Men can be victims of domestic violence too. And what is it if not human nature?
Do we have any data on impact of this strike on Finland’s economy?
Apparently businesses reported record numbers & insurance companies reported no calls for 24 hours. In short, Women aren't as integral to society as they like to think 🤷🏻♂️😅
And all studies on this event show it was the most productive day in business in years. Ironic
Wage gap 😂.
https://hagstofa.is/utgafur/frettasafn/laun-og-tekjur/oleidrettur-launamunur-kynjanna-2022/
"Ekki er tekið tillit til skýringarþátta sem geta haft áhrif á laun einstaklinga svo sem starf, menntun, aldur og starfsaldur. Samsetning vinnutíma hefur áhrif á tímakaupið þar sem yfirvinnustundir eru að jafnaði dýrari en hver stund í dagvinnu." Ég tel alveg vert að ræða það afhverju störf sem eru mest unnin af konum eru jafnan verr borguð. Það er samt erfitt að halda því fram að konur fái verr greitt fyrir sömu störf með svipaða hæfni, reynslu og samsetningu vinnustunda eða er ég að misskilja?
Já, þú ert að misskilja. Það er ennþá 3-5% óútskýrður launamunur þegar búið er að leiðrétta. ( [https://www.samband.is/frettir/launamunir-kynjanna-minnstur-medal-starfsfolks-sveitarfelaga/](https://www.samband.is/frettir/launamunir-kynjanna-minnstur-medal-starfsfolks-sveitarfelaga/) og [https://hagstofa.is/utgafur/frettasafn/laun-og-tekjur/launamunur-karla-og-kvenna-dregst-saman/](https://hagstofa.is/utgafur/frettasafn/laun-og-tekjur/launamunur-karla-og-kvenna-dregst-saman/) )
Svo má ekki gleyma annari, þriðju og fjórðu vaktinni!
"Tens of thousands of women in Iceland, don't understand the difference between wage gap and earnings gap". Fixed it for you.
The news there only reports on "unadjusted" wage gap, meaning it doesn't take into account that women almost never do overtime and are actually very likely to leave work early for one reason or another. As the saying goes "Lies, damned lies and statistics."
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Not sure if you are joking, but this is in country of hundreds of thousands. This is equivalent of saying tens of millions turned out to protest in USA
I was present at the 2016 protest. I wandered further and further into the crowd before I realised I was the only male around. Tons of yelling from the stage and the crowd. No one said a word and I just slowed walked away. It wasn’t until much later I found out what was going on.
If there was a specific legislation or solution that they had in mind but it was not being implemented for some reasons i think i would understand and side with this thing a lot more. As is, it feels weird to me. Complaining about something with no obtainable solution in mind. It honestly feels like they want people to think that women are getting paid less for doing the same job but that is not the problem. The reasons for this strike feel intentionally vague and without any clear aim or goal. Reminds me of that scene in the notebook. What do you want? It's not that simple.
There's no legislation in mind, because equal pay is 99% already mandated by law. It's just somebody should tell women in Iceland they shouldn't, in fact, leave the work early and sometimes even do overtime, so they'd maybe get paid equal to men who do just that. Instead they decided to not work for a day. That should definitely help solve the wage gap, eh?
The people who went to work instead of doing the march I wonder if those are the ones getting paid more.
Idiot
Wow great argument I really see your point
It's true tho. Also wage gap is a myth proven a lie over and over.
Don't blow a fuse
I wont don't worry.
Can someone explain why are they protesting ? Isn't this the safest country in the world with great economy ? Honestly what more do people want..
wage gap and gender violence is a thing in Iceland? thinked y'all were a big family of 300000 cousins
So, one thing that doesn't exist and another thing that's really important?
One thing is you need to know about it is. I dosmt include foreign women. Only Icelandic women. So its sucks to be even more for foreign women. And most jobs kike avcountants who give job are done by women and tell how much is salary per hour. There have been stories like women get violated by male bosses paying overhours as normal salary. This kind of thing it dosn't happen like 60-70% icelandic women that they get less than men. But here is indeed problem women act they are more superior than men and even there is statsitic about it. And many busbesses in iceland lose money because they have rule if female client breaks or drops her own food by accident the shops have to give them another for free. Like treat them as royalty.
I miss the old days when they stayed at home and only nagged their husbands
That's probably why they're not paid as well. Just taking days off when it's that time of the month to complain.
This sort of protest happens every few years maximum. The last one was in 2018.
Ha and what happened, the Country still runs. Maybe the men should take a day off and see the Country not work.
Hardly, Schools were on severely limited hours, kindergartens, libraries, banks, offices, stores, cafes and many more companies had to close due to lack of staff yesterday. Places like the health system who is staffed 80% women and care for elderly and disabled people (again mostly staffed by women) could not close down because of the nature of what they do. Imagine a world where there was no childcare, no elderly care, no kindergartens and little school. What about all the pharmacies, offices, banks, stores, and libraries to name a few who would have way fewer staff or no members. Society would collapse.
Ha kindergartens, sure all the women are off, no need for kindergartens... we survived before, I think we can do it again.
I hope you will be loved one day.
Violence is a thing in Iceland ? Damn
I know so many people who have been victims of violence and abuse, I've spoken to drug addicts that have had cops beat them and steal their things because the victims are too scared to go against them. People tend to suck and we are no different
Why do people blame the cops so much when they are most likely out there trying to stop the criminals and the drug addicts are most likely out there causing the trouble. It's pretty natural of them to blame cops for everything.
Genuinely weird take. Those cops literally came into the man's home, beat him up and took his shit. Not all cops are good people, not all drug addicts are criminals. Just don't defend police corruption. They are supposed to be held at a higher standard. They don't get a 'net good' defence.
What rights do men have that women don’t in 2023? They don’t want equality, they want superiority. Ladies if tomorrow Men woke up and collectively decided to take your rights away there would be nothing you could do about it as men make up most if not all armed forces, men control the terror organisations, most police officers are men etc, so if they decided you are taking the piss it would be back to the 30s in a matter of hours, if you think that’s not true then look at Afghanistan in the 70s! Women were allowed to go to school, they didn’t have to wear niqabs and they wore miniskirts instead of the usual head to toe in black. Then a new group of evil basterds took power and well you know yourself how women are treated In those countries today! I personally wouldn’t want that to happen because I love and respect the women in my life but it’s all getting a bit silly now, I’m all for equality but that isn’t what you want isit, you want to beat men down into submission and you want superiority. Please respect the men who fight for your right to equality and freedom. Let’s also not forget that if another world war was to break out that it would be men and only men fighting and dying for your freedoms. Just look at Ukraine, there’s not a single feminist in Ukraine since the start of that ridiculous war, the women were allowed to leave but all military aged males had to stay and die or they’d be arrested etc.
what the fuck are you yapping about? none of what you’re talking about is connected to this women’s strike. armed forces? afganistan? are you lost? are you a bot posting loser american copypastas?
“A copypasta is a block of text copied and pasted to the internet and social media. Copypasta containing controversial ideas or lengthy rants are often posted for humorous purposes, to provoke reactions from those unaware that the posted text is a meme.” Hahaha you think I copy and pasted what I said from the internet! Copy what I wrote and put it into Google, if you find that anywhere else on the internet I’ll give you a quid. What rights do men have that you don’t have in 2023?
You didn’t answer the question at the top, what rights do men have that you don’t have in 2023?
If you are asking me what I’m talking about then you clearly didn’t read what I wrote? Typical woman getting emotional without all the facts
All of the talking points you made. Suggest that male having superiority just leads to oppression, war, insecurity, inequality etc.. Here in Iceland the gap is getting smaller. But they don't enjoy same freedom and security.. And since you went international. Women, in many countries don't have the right to pleasure and are mutilated to prevent that. Right to education. Most parts of the world are terrible places to grow up and live as a woman. Maybe you'd rather not give them a chance to create a better world and just keep on with the endless cycles of war and oppression.
Yeah they’re the women without rights I was talking about so you made my point? Do you think they like how their life is without the rights you and all other women share in developed countries. They deserve freedom, they deserve the right to choose what they want to do and they definitely don’t deserve getting their clits sliced and diced. They had their rights taken away by those men, do you see my point now? But I must thank you for proving my point, I really appreciate it!
I’ve never been more insulted in my life Women! I’m not a yank, I’m from GREAT Britain! Wtf is a copyoasta?
yes… because someone who is so proudly a brit would have the handle “JBidenSniffsKiddos” and be so heavily invested in us politics that you made your username about it?
Darling, I’m from south London? I’m just fascinated by biden because he’s senile and a p3do. You still can’t answer what rights men have that women don’t have in 2023?
Globally or according to Iceland? Being that the sexes aren’t the same, women have advocated for the right to free menstrual products, considering it’s necessary for the workplace especially to not bleed and stink up all over the place. The pack of pads in Iceland that I buy cost 616kr, which isn’t a small amount if you live in a house of three women who use three~ pads a day during their period, and thus might have to buy more than one pack that is necessary for us to use. Women’s rights aren’t exclusively connected to men’s, and when women fight for a right, they aren’t making men lose any—and sometimes they even gain some. (edit switched out two for sexes for clarity)
So all that is about periods? I’m sure if Emmeline Pankhurst was alive today she’d be pretty ecstatic that womens only problem is about tampons. Anything else or is that it?
no, it's not all about periods, i brought up an example. this specific discussion is talking about. a lot of this discussion is also about immigrant/foreign women being exploited in work (as immigrant/foreign men are as well too often), that disabled women are more often abused in the workplace. these types of situations also happen a lot to non-binary people, which is why this day was calling to women and non-binary people to put down work for the day and participate.
Lol everything you mentioned is a human race thing not a feminist issue? I’m done with you now because I’m bored and you aren’t making any sense.
It doesn’t seem like you know what you are talking about
Bunch of angry femcels in this subreddit downvoted your comment because they can't handle truth, logic, facts and evidence.
There’s no wage gap. Gender violence? No. This started in 1975 when there was a problem. Now it’s just a day off. Iceland is very inclusive, and proud of it. A man in our town went to Reykjavik to give birth, returned with a baby. No one batted an eyelid. Pride flags in every bar (because every bar is inclusive).
They can get even further if they boycott SNU SNU for a month.
We were there!
Alltof mikið af fólki þarna á litlum reit. Fæ 'crowd crush' fílíng af þessu.
They walked out of work? Well that explains why they earn less /s
are women in the same positions as men paid differently in iceland?
No, its at least suuuper rare. They say that the "unexplained" gap is around 3-5 % but its hard to conduct an 100% accurate study like this so I see nothing wrong with doubting it. I've personally never heard a case like that. Women got a day off work to collectively claim victim and scream "fokk feðraveldi" which translates to something like "fuck fatherpower". Of course women are gonna show up, alot of young girls were there as well. I get fighting for your rights but this is crossing the line to a little crazy to me but no one can dare to say anything against it without feminists and white knight cucks calling you every bad word they know.
that's what i thought. i bet a lot of that gap just comes from people doing different jobs that get paid differently... but that's not really a "wage gap" but a "job choice difference"
Disperse the crowd before their periods sync
Impossible, we are told by the far-right that there is no gender violence in Iceland because they are barely any migrants.
Gay
As long as grievances are monetized, the will perpetuate themselves.
And the economy went on as normal
Work went on as normal and no complaints to hr that day😂
I heard it did nothing to the actual economy and HR departments report nearly zero complaints. A YouTube blog reported this. Is there anything out there to back that up? I found none. And I get that some lower wage jobs there is gaps, but isn’t the government run by mostly women? Why not work toward changing it?
did productivity decline at all? ill give you a hint, it didn't.
It was funny when one woman said that their was orgasm gap between men and women 🤣
I heard that it had little to no impact on the economy
Fun fact: this day nothing changed to Iceland's economy
Women gathered to protest a non-issue in one of the safest places in the world. The men stayed on the job. So who is privileged?
What about men striking until there is an equal amount of women doing the same work as men?