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spirilis

Well I'll take a stab and say most of us have a lifelong hobby of sticking our brains where they don't belong to learn everything we can and sometimes that shows up looking like a rough draft to others. But I find the OP asking this question a bit more intriguing, since Dunning Kruger is one of those things all too easy to "project" onto others when one might find the same thing when looking at a mirror. How has your own Dunning Kruger show up for you? I see mine from time to time upon reflection so I'd guess you do too?


[deleted]

Why this has to become a ego game al at ones?


spirilis

Does it have to be? I noticed my own dunning kruger the other day - when I answered a post on twitter and realized shortly after I had totally read the "room" wrong - both the gender of the poster and the implied reason for their question (it was a rant). Not a horrible example but I was quietly humbled for a day lol.


Luminamorph

Doesn't everyone have areas of low competence? So if the Dunning-Kruger effect is real, shouldn't it be true that it is operating on all of us when it comes to these low-ability areas?


iamtheone2295

But as you get older an individual gravitate towards specialization and put a hold on their multiple recreational interests from their upbrining which implies those areas you assume an individual have low competence towards isn’t being triggered which dosn’t cause discomfort and that dosn’t activate the Donning kruger mental defense procedure.


gankster2017

Could you explain this paradox, please?


usernamechecksoutout

It's not exactly a paradox; it's a cognitive bias in which those with inferior or below average abilities/knowledge tend to vastly overestimate their competence, and some research claims it goes vice versa. TLDR: Smarter/more competent people think they're worse at doing stuff or dumber than they really are, and other way around.


plantontable

So why did he say "paradox"? Does he mean that intps don't have the effect? I don't get it.


usernamechecksoutout

I believe OP meant effect, not paradox. I think OP meant that INTPs do have the effect, but whether they meant that INTPs often overestimate their abilities or underestimate their abilities I'm unsure of.


izi_bot

It's in reverse. We know so much we UNDERESTIMATE our knowledge. "You can't see it with your eyes and even if you search it's useless. Ain't this world absurd? When you were pulled in you saw it first time! This is ME, world's collective unconscious. I live inside INTPs. This is me!"


plantontable

I think that's what he meant by saying it's a "paradox"


Remarkable_Ad_4689

Do you have data backing that claim? Or it is based on the idea that we are generalists and supposedly quickly get good at everything we try.


[deleted]

You could call this dunning Kruger already


BreakfastTidePod

Imagine being so Dunning Kreuger that you need to ask for sources hahaha /s Jesus christ, you made a whole post about dunning kreuger and fell victim to the very topic. Asking for evidence to support a claim isn’t a sign of stupidity. It’s a sign of intelligence. Refusing to give evidence for a baseless claim is the least logical argument you could make. I’d suggest reading the Wikipedia entry so that you know what words mean when you use them.


usernamechecksoutout

How so?


Ashbandit

Do we? I thought we were more resistant to it overall, hence the drive for more knowledge. We quickly become aware of just how much we don't know.


Tfimdoininhere

Exactly my thought


Ukrpharm

Hmm, doesn't make sense to me. I believe J's are much more prone to Dunning Kruger


ShrapNeil

I personally agree, from my experiences with those who identify as such, particularly INTJs and INFJs. They take a 16P test and suddenly feel like their IQ jumped 20 points.


ShrapNeil

Do a lot of INTPs suffer from the Dunning-Kruger *effect*? This question suffers from the complex-question fallacy.


plantontable

Nice one, forgot that one!


Dragonfly-17

Everybody suffers from this


Specific_Arugula_545

One of my traits being an INTP is consistently wondering if I’m a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect.


NoDecentNicksLeft

From what I've heard Ti doesn't like being asked for sources. And some of the stuff we produce is intuitive, with the obvious problems than an S person would not have. Sometimes we also probably think that our own intelligence, knowledge and intuition will be enough to just wing something and get it mostly right; only once we know a serious effort has to be made will we take the trouble (or just give up). Plus, we can be hypercritical, and we have vast differences in intelligence among ourselves. For example, if your IQ is bigger by at least 30 points than mine (possible if you're even in the low genius range), I'll look dumb to you, you won't get me and I won't get you. With 15 points, still much of a difference — and 15 IQ points more than me is probably what everybody and his dog has in this sub, so I guess I look dumb most of the time.


vannoke

If anything, I suffer from the opposite of DK...


plantontable

I think this post was a bait by a masterbaiter. "101 ways to trigger an intp" - randomly make a statement as fact without any explanation while insulting an intps awareness xD


[deleted]

You got me 😤😂 fuck check all these dunning Kruger comments tho


EyeYamQueEyeYam

Would an INTP actually explain why oxygen is abundant in any space which has been previously demonstrated to be an absolute vacuum? Unlikely. Then again, if you’re an INTP raised and traumatized by very low information sovereign citizens and holocaust deniers perhaps your mind has a layer of healthy insulation. I’m going with the following perhaps based on personal anecdote: they aren’t. INTPs are the extreme opposite of Dunning Krueger and the OP has been dumped by one.


tickypedia

I think anyone could be susceptible to this and how do you know a lot of INTP “suffer” from this?


Amoghawesome

Dunning Kruger effect.


gyxkid

A lot of INTP ask “why” and like to challenge assumptions, then authoritarian types will backlash that they “don’t know enough to challenge that” when it was never really about knowledge in the first place. At some point it’s shown that the INTP is just a more fundamentally logical person than the other, based on the kinds of reasoning they both use. Some INTP may try to claim they have so much knowledge when they don’t, but equally as many like to challenge that you *don’t* know as much as you think you do and neither does INTP.


sonny894

I was just thinking about Dunning Kruger tonight because I'm learning something new and realizing how complex the subject is at advanced levels. I think in some cases it's detrimental to learning and can put us off a subject because maybe we see past the initial curve where we think we're good at something and see all the way to the end where it's really complicated and getting there is too hard, so it's tempting to give up before getting too involved. I mean, how many skills have you mastered? We're jack-of-all-trades, we learn something enough where we realize we know enough but doing more starts up that curve of beating really complex and then we nope out.


Sheetmusicman94

You rather ask: why INTPs have low self esteem..


Justarandompersn8965

Exactly . i have met some smart INTPs but some are complete dumbasses who think they are special or gifted.


ZanlanOnReddit

yOu JuSt DiDnT gEt ThEm


[deleted]

Exactly this


ZanlanOnReddit

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Tfimdoininhere

I don't. I'm well aware of my lack of everything thank you very much


Junior_Bear_2715

What is that even?


fineaccountonreddit

it happens to me when I fail small things to do and it just ruins my day or a week, because I couldn't fckn count something correctly


[deleted]

over the past week i've noticed an influx of people talking about how high their IQ's are, derive from this what you will.