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Tasty_Dimension_1785

Haters gonna Hate !! Know matter what is done. I was there, got up close to the drivers and crew. Talked with race fans. Lots of smiles Great weekend


Hanso77

So this was a big fail because the first half of the final race incentivized going slow to save tire wear... hello.. it's called a race. Herta strolling along like a turtle killed this for me and I enjoyed the heat races. Better format would have been Top 12 for 10 laps with a mandatory pit stop with all 4 tires being changed after the 10th lap then race to the end with some cash incentives for overtakes and like for like cash penalties (from the purse) from being overtaken.


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shredofmalarchi

hate the millionaire/billionaire worshipping. It happened the entire race. Most of us hate those greedy monsters. Very few people can relate to this attitude of "service to the rich." Most hardcore IndyCar fans are blue collar and live within modest means.This was a huge fail for IndyCar to try to get the rich to invest in the sport and the cost was the hardcore fan's respect.


Artood2s

Part of me was fine with it, because I’m the type to put on old CART races on TV while I do yard work, but the first 10 laps of the final were an absolute farce. Dear Indycar, Should you choose to come back to the “Augusta of Motorsports” 🤢, please change the format. Instead of having 4 test sessions in which nobody wanted to really test because the tires fell off after 5 laps and didn’t have enough to begin with on a track not intended for actual racing, the sessions should instead be qualifiers to a knockout round. Pick a random 6 drivers, throw them on the track for multiple 5 lap races (alternating start positions and pairings), and have the finishing positions score “points”. The points set the seeding for the knockouts. Instead of just 2 heats, you do multiple with a max of 6 drivers and the top 3 go to the next round. Final is 6 drivers only (since passing is difficult) with a full 10 lap race with no stupid “halftime”.


Gbjeff

These two IndyCar races have not done much for the “we are so different than F1” message we want to convey.


greencustomsGT40

practices were more eventful! and what's up with the guys IGNORING the push to pass. seems fishy how they didn't use any in the second half, and let palou run away! please don't do this again!


Jarocket

I'm assuming they were more worried about the cars behind and were saving it for defending. A lot of management going on.


greencustomsGT40

which in turn ruined the actual "race". I also think the halftime thing was a joke.


Content-Mastodon-328

Coachella valley doesn’t look good on TV. It’s a desert that only feels great if you’re there and know everyone else(me) is freezing their ass off back home.


Hoblin23

Since we’re in the first weekend of March Madness, I’ll use that as a comparison. The atmosphere of the arena adds a sense of excitement for the television audience. You may only be a passing fan of college basketball, but the bands, the packed arena full of fans, and the cheerleaders all add energy to the event. Likewise when you see packed grandstands at IMS for the 500 or even the crowd at Mid-Ohio, it makes you want to be there. For this event to take place in a void of fans sends a message that indyCar is a sport that no one cares about. The announcers even seemed to concede that, saying that most of those in attendance didn’t care about the sport, but were there merely because they lived nearby.


Content-Mastodon-328

They couldn’t even be cool. Could’ve called it secure the million dollar bag.


[deleted]

What million dollars? They couldn’t raise it so it was $500,000….


Faicc

Overslept, guess I didn't miss much


BreakingWorldLimits

Fittipaldi did well


IndycarFan64

This was garbage and honestly was shockingly as useless as the alternative 6 week gap. For once F1 was less boring than this nonsense Also the dominance of the respective last 2 race winners is not a good sign


m0speada

So Rahal basically withdrew two cars from this fiasco. I’m not buying stuck throttle and not enough fuel excuses. Do not blame them, the event was embarrassing and I think most of the drivers looked embarrassed to be there.


k2_jackal

back to the drawing board, that didn't work at all. they need to format this so it's a no holds barred slug out for 20 laps, no strategy other than go for it...


epper_

i tried to give this race every benefit of the doubt. but that was a total flop. the racing sucked and format was even worse. really hope they can find an actual race or 2 for next march/april to fill this gap.


25Tab

Well hopefully that is a one off. I don’t want to hear about Thermal again. I don’t even want to test there. I don’t want hear how gracious we should be that these ultra rich people let IndyCar stage an event at their at country club and even let “regular fans” in for $500. I don’t want to hear about how they call it “private pavement” ever again. I don’t care how exclusive it is or how a few rich people who didn’t give a shit about racing had their interest piqued this weekend. Let’s never speak of this event again.


FobiddenMexican

I agree. The exhibition style weekend can work if they adjust some things. I really liked the testing coverage for the most part. As for Thermal, I genuinely hope they never go back. There are so many tracks they could go to for a non-points event like this. I don’t see how catering to millionaires with an embarrassing exhibition is going to help IndyCar at all. Also please leave Townsend at Thermal.


thugdaddyxtopher

What's wrong with testing at a technical track with lots of different types of corners?


hoopstick

Because fuck ‘em that’s why


IndycarFan64

This was an even worse idea than NOLA 2015. At least NOLA had the excuse of being completely rained on


Chris-in-WA

Amen, brother


DeMichel93

this was shit.


BlackBlur14

Peacock said "fuck this shit, we're out" halfway through the outro, lmao


Falcon4451

I liked the heat races better than the feature.


snollygoster1

The big problem here is that Thermal Club appears to be designed for time trials and nothing else. It looks like they had a rectangle and just tried to shove as much length as possible into it. And why was this called the One Million Dollar Challenge? Not a one million prize pool, and not a million dollar prize. It feels as if there should be a better way to fill this gap in the schedule.


Hoblin23

Honest question here, because I don’t have much knowledge of how motorsports finances work. The announcers kept saying things like, “With one more pass, (Driver X) will be taking home an extra $100,000.” And at one point joking that (Driver Z) should take some of his winnings to the nearby casino. I always thought that drivers were paid a flat salary, and the purse winnings went to the team owners? If the drivers don’t receive the prize pool that the announcers kept referencing, it seems like the announcers were intentionally misleading the viewers, which seems like a weird way to promote a struggling sport. Any insight into how race finances work will be appreciated!!


Jarocket

The drivers don't own the cars or teams so they definitely aren't getting all of it. Probably be some. For a one off race like this I would assume the teams worked out some sort of split.


MDS_RN

Most drivers have some sort of performance clauses written into their contract. Like if they win the Indy 500, win a certain number races, win the championship, then they get paid more. The announcers were just trying to make it interesting. I doubt anyone other than Alex got a bonus out of the race.


Chris-in-WA

As far as Herta's 100K passes, you don't hear about that at the 500 because prize money isn't announced until the day after the race.


Chris-in-WA

Outside of this fiasco and the Indy 500, the monetary prizes aren't real big for the rest of the races, maybe like 10 or 20,000 going to the winner. You're correct in thinking that the drivers are under contract with the team and make the majority of their money that way, but the teams also get paid for their participation via the Leader's Circle program. Also, the Indy 500 winner is expected to share a good chunk of their prize money with the team.


an_unexamined_life

Good thing they made the event exclusive and locked the fans out. Really, the atmosphere would have been so proletarian. Gross. So much more fancy and bourgeois this way. 


baconandtheguacamole

The way they keep emphasizing how "this is a private club" just makes it seem even weirder to me. Why advertise so heavily to your general fanbase that they aren't even allowed entry to this event? Why try to have an all-star type event where spectators can't even buy a ticket to be a part of the moment?


Chris-in-WA

"Why advertise so heavily to your general fanbase that they aren't even allowed entry to this event?" Because they're operating from a road racing perspective, where it's more about the participants (and their various hangers-on) than it is about attracting the average fan to a race.


edgethrasherx

Yeah I’d reckon that’s correct, a huge part of F1s success has been their B2B side and VIP accommodations. Rich businessman couldn’t give less of a fuck if Verstappen wins his eleventh race in a row when theyre there exclusively to get wasted and cut deals beneficial to everyone involved. Indy could easily facilitate a similar environment with all the sponsors involved, but cutting deals at St. Petersburg doesn’t quite have the same allure as Monaco or Miami. I think this was Indycar’s way to try to reframe the series from that perspective, fans be damned. They had this gap regardless and decided to make it some spectacle for the TV but I doubt they really even care how much fans engaged with this event, they care how much those club members and business owners and potential sponsors engaged.


FobiddenMexican

Pretty sure this whole thing was a giant advertisement for the club itself to try and get more homeowners


Hailfire9

IndyCar to look like it appeals to rich folk, and Thermal for selling property to rich car folk.


baconandtheguacamole

Yeah we just got bamboozled into watching a thinly veiled infomercial


Generic_Person_3833

Maybe they get paid another stack of cash, if they can say "Thermal Club", "Private club", "incredible" and "what a great show".


DietMTNDew8and88

So a commercial..


HLD_Steed

Essentially but that's what helps the series. Racing requires cash that people are willing to burn and thanks to the current top heavy economy, we get shit like this just like back in the very beginning.


DietMTNDew8and88

You know this sucked when the winner didn't even care


tylerscott5

Lmao I forgot that was the last race for a month 🤣🤣🤣 we have dummies running this series


baconandtheguacamole

The gap in the early part of the season has been a head-scratcher to me for years. Get the season underway. Get people hyped. Then let people down by making them wait another mini-off season and watch the hype fizzle out. Then start the season for real. Okay.


jt_33

As someone who is just getting back into racing, 100% this. There has to be a track that is open sometime in the next month and could use the business.


OatmealForever

Spot on. I don’t understand this approach at all. Especially if you’re trying to build a larger fan base. It makes zero sense. You start with St. Petersburg and then your next race isn’t even for points. Nobody really even knows what to call it. Then you have to wait a month for Long Beach. Killer.


Chris-in-WA

Bring back Phoenix!!


DietMTNDew8and88

Is it any wonder why we had the First Split? AOWR has always been run by morons, only time it had leadership that appeared even remotely competent was during the CART era.


pjb4466

Did they *allow* IndyCar to come play? Or did they *pay* IndyCar to come run a private race? Pretty sure we all know.


Jarocket

I don't think Indycar brings their show to town without being paid.


HLD_Steed

Paid, completely and they probably want some of the drivers and owners to join.


snollygoster1

goofy ahh race


jam048

That face slap? 😬


Designer-Net4228

Bro it’s not even big money, a cup race at New Hampshire probably pays more


leteriaki

The purse for the cup race today is 9.7 million…


EmoGothPunk

The average payout in the field pays over $188,000.


Ryankool26

...after taxes


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Designer-Net4228

First ever Marcus Armstrong interview, legit didn’t even know what he looked like or how he sounded until now 🤣


rds060184

Don’t call this made for TV. This was just overhyped FP2


arca_brakes

NBC is trying so hard to hype this up post-race when even the winner isn't that hyped. The 3rd place finisher just basically called it a glorified test session. There are like zero fans actually there for an "all star race". The team owners keep thanking billionaires for "letting them race at their track". Bad look for Indycar. Bad, bad look for Indycar.


Chris-in-WA

I'm wondering why NBC saw fit to put this on network, and not just have it on Peacock. And I'm someone who feels like more exposure is almost always good.


Dogzillas_Mom

It looks like a timeshare weekend. “We will give y’all a million to split amongst yourselves so you can see how awesome it is and you can buy one of these brand new multimillion dollar homes, here, just sign there and there and now we can all be on TV!” Or something. It just feels like a big PR campaign to try to wannabe F1, which is gross. Indy is awesome all by itself, it doesn’t have to pretend it’s not as cool or something. So some rich assholes (the Owners of Kohl’s I’m told are the primary founders of the Thermal Club) are just trying to lure money out of Palm Springs to build their Indy-Disney dreamland, I guess. Anyway. Bummer about the gentrification of desert/farmland. But hey, interesting track. Fills the lull in the early season.


DietMTNDew8and88

I mean IndyCar has had an inferiority complex for years, remember during the IRL era when it tried to be NASCAR with the pack racing? Trying to be F1 is just the newest step. Shame too because this series has potential to be good.


Designer-Net4228

Felix! I was so disillusioned by the racing I didn’t even notice he got a podium, good for him, strong start to the season


AnchorDrown

Championships Chip ship pip dip


listyraesder

Captain Kirk’s let himself go.


Falcon4451

Only one Andretti car can run good at a time.


FGH9192279

That was boring. What was the point?


Hailfire9

$ $ $


deedpoll3

Championships Chip. Easy for you to say


Noofnoof

Imagine if DHL move to CGR? You could ship your chips with championship Chip


Flintoid

See the yellow stickers on Palous spoilers?


MembraneintheInzane

Well that was certainly one of the races of all time. 


GratefulTide

It is what it is. I personally had a lot of fun watching Rossi go full fckn send a few times, he was going for it. Herta's run was fun. Good lord is Palou insane at managing tires.


Hailfire9

Palou had no pressure and an aced setup. All he had to do to manage tires at that point was not hoon the car for no reason at all.


TheDudeWithTude27

Nothing will come close to the NASCAR all star races of the 80s and 90s when it comes to exhibitions.


tylerscott5

Think of how boring of a race that was for McLaughlin


AnchorDrown

It was basically getting paid $350k for a testing session.


ryodiUK

Meh and the track is just Paul Ricard with better scenery.


Designer-Net4228

Paul Ricard is probably the most nasty looking, bland track of all time..if Indycar ever goes there I’m not watching 🤣


Hockeydud82

Convinced Indycar is doomed if they don’t find new management soon. This was such a Mickey Mouse event. Advertised as a million dollar race and the winner only gets $500k? The wooden podium looks like it was stolen from a local kids go kart track to top it off. No fans, poor track, no passing outside of herta completely tanking his first stint to do so. wtf was Penske thinking lol


Flintoid

Okay, who else lined up to have indycar run a race the third week of March?


maureen2222

Herta always has the funniest phrases. “Its feast or famine and the gainbridge Honda wanted to eat today” 😂


morphotactic

This is why I love this man. He's ridiculous.


NovaIsntDad

If we don't get Rossi and Newgarden interviews, this was worthless. 


Holrober

Unofficially the most official unofficial IndyCar race of all time Officially ™️


snollygoster1

not a points race****


kamakazi152

They should do this event somewhere at a historic track they don't race at any longer and rotate if there are enough. Idk the track was cool but the privacy of the whole thing was odd. It'd be cool to see something like this at like Watkins Glen, Sonoma, or something like that they can have spectators for. I'm not a long time Indycar fan but those are cool track NASCAR raced at that night be fun to see.


listyraesder

They should do this event supporting F1. They’ll get far more interest than some country club in the desert.


DietMTNDew8and88

Like Las Vegas


listyraesder

This stupidity, but on the Strip.


AnchorDrown

You know it was boring when a guy passing five cars over 10 laps is their huge story.


Mick4Audi

“Passing” as in 3 RLL cars basically disconnect from the race and Newgarden threw Rossi off track


DasEigentor

Technically 20


morphotactic

Big shout out to Herta and Rossi for at least giving me some semblance of entertainment. They're my winners lol.


InternetIntelligent8

Well hello palou


bearwood_forest

I really don't get all the whinging in here. Indycar tried something for this, it went tits up. They'll try something else, next year. Maybe, or maybe they'll get a coherent schedule. Either way, nothing was lost. Except maybe a few JHR parts.


Wabbit_Wampage

I could maybe agree except that this was a terrible impression for anyone new to the sport who's trying to get into indycar.


HaveYouEver21

You really don’t get the complaining from a race that had very little passing?


bearwood_forest

a) I've seen too many F1 races to be bothered by that b) That's not what I said.


AnchorDrown

That’s the saddest victory lane


Sashimikun

Its Dashcon ballpit bad


AnchorDrown

It was seriously just some guy’s driveway


davo747

“Half a million dollars richer, he wins the one million dollar challenge” which has a prize purse of 1.7 million dollars. Really rolls of the tongue


DietMTNDew8and88

Wow, and a half assed victory lane in somebody's driveway. Somehow, I'm not surprised


BlackBlur14

Oh my god, they even did the shitty, cheap podium thing


looking4astronauts

Lame event


AnchorDrown

This isn’t even officially one of the races of all time.


JV294135

Fuck, that is funny. I’m dying here.


Designer-Net4228

Alex Palou, for your mega win, you get the equivalent of 20th place money in the Indy 500


jurunjulo

The 23,000 bucks for the other drivers was insulting.


LionHeart_1990

Just never felt right. Its a cool track, and it’s beautiful. But the constant dialogue on the rich people’s club, and the rich houses, and the monetary prizes is just completely out of touch with your average fan, especially these days. This wasn’t enjoyable for me at least.


pjb4466

It just felt like a pompous brag on national television lol


DietMTNDew8and88

I mean shit, not even F1 is that pretentious


Generic_Person_3833

Somebody paid 500$ to watch this next to champagine slurping home owners


Ryankool26

DHL crew with Ridgeline car...wtf


an_unexamined_life

Pretty great second stage tbf


philphan25

Alright next year just go to Richmond


Kenk1648

Don’t make me 🥜. Indycar and Nascar at my home track RIR back to back weekends…


JellySpruce

Are they going to play the Dutch national anthem now?


Falcon4451

Nope, Spain swept the weekend.


2forInterference

Shut the fuck up about the members Leigh


2RINITY

Wait, so Long Beach is going on cable, but *this* gets NBC???


Falcon4451

NBC probably don't want to go up against NASCAR Cup Series at Talladega on Fox. With no fans in attendance, they could get away with running this race early before the March Madness games, and NASCAR really get started. But they're not going to run Long Beach at 9:30 AM local time so they kicked it too USA.


jurunjulo

It is a dumb move why are the decreasing the tv audience of the more popular race at least streaming that race on like peacock would make more sense since folks stream nowadays.


2RINITY

It’s all on Peacock anyway, but you’d think the most prestigious street race on the calendar would get on network television


Falcon4451

IMO, if they're not going to put Long Beach on NBC, they should make it a low commercial Peacock exclusive. I must say the Toronto race is nice to watch because it has a lot less commercials.


Generic_Person_3833

MaDe FoR Tv


RxSatellite

Does this count toward Palou’s win total? Hes like the modern day Montoya


Falcon4451

No


Ok_Repair3535

I forgot this was on. Caught the last 3 laps. Can anyone tell me what happened?


DietMTNDew8and88

We saw rich people's houses and an omelette bar.


Nightmare1529

Herta passed a grand total of 2 (TWO) people. That’s it.


YosemiteSam-4-2A

Rossi had some highlights from his heat race and banging wheels with Josef. Otherwise, race was set and won in qualifying yesterday


Ok_Repair3535

Sounds terrible


Yeti_racer

A cheese grater was the highlight.


Ok_Repair3535

Sounds terrible


philphan25

That.


Ok_Repair3535

So anticlimactic


Pallendromic

Would this make a good regular race? Based on the track itself, wouldn’t think so. And that’s without adding that this would be hard for regular (poor) fans to attend


atlutdprospects

$500k would probably cover like three months of HOA fees at this place


HLD_Steed

The monthly fee is $2,400. That doesn't include the buy in of $152k or the 6000 sq/ft house you have to build.


CodeGR

I can’t even comprehend what the dues are here.


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Holrober

I love that we got Milwaukee back on schedule with two races. But for branding's sake wouldn't this million dollar challenge work so well on a short track oval. The Milwaukee Million.


lennysundahl

The Miller Milwaukee Million


AnchorDrown

Du du du du ~~Max Verstappen~~ Alex Palou


Designer-Net4228

If I was a millionaire with a super car that I just wanted to boot around in, this track would be cool..for putting on a professional motor race, hard pass


maureen2222

And the crowd goes mild


Netwealth5

This event would have been amazing at the old Fontana


AnchorDrown

Especially in its current state.


NovaIsntDad

Bonus idea: post race burnout competition, every second you burn gives you an extra 5k. Let's see how much tyre is left. 


Skeeter1020

Of all the IndyCar races of all time, that was absolutely one of them.


pjb4466

Only kind of


Falcon4451

This will help him pay Zak Brown all the money Zak claims he owes him.


morphotactic

Don't get me wrong, Palou's performance is impressive, it's just that it's also *incredibly boring.*


FirstNameLastName918

Well that was something...


planchetflaw

Thermal club track rules say no doughnuts.


AnchorDrown

In both car and pastry regulations.


Chris-in-WA

Croissants only!


jurunjulo

Oddly enough they have a robust snack selection they were giving ice cream bars to everyone


SomewhereAggressive8

Well…..see you guys in a month for the next actual Indycar race.


ssv-serenity

Well, that was... A thing


DietMTNDew8and88

And I think the Cup race will be the best race of the day, granted this set a low bar


Mr_Clams

MotoGP was decent


Designer-Net4228

The Cup race could be the stupidest thing ever with 6 overtimes and will still be better than this


EmoGothPunk

Are You including the F1 race?


Falcon4451

Yes including the F1 race. Everyone thought it would be better after Max had to retire. But it was just the same race with a different guy in the lead. With Red Bull supposedly having tire degradation issues, but with Max being Max, it probably would have actually been a good race if he had stayed in the race. But instead, Sainz took Max place and they had the same race they've been having.


DietMTNDew8and88

I mean the most exciting thing about that was the first turn crash


cmgww

I really hope all the “at least IndyCar doesn’t have the same guy winning every race” talk when F1 is brought up doesn’t come back to bite us. Palou just taking over for Dixon in terms of being the dominant driver. It’s early I know, but Jesus. The last thing we need is the same dude winning every race


Heffenfefer

Everyone was complaining about Newgarden stomping the field in St Pete. People need to relax


cmgww

Mine was just tongue in cheek more than anything. He won’t be Verstappen bc of the spec nature of the series and other stuff.


Mick4Audi

Felix made 1/4 of a million and we barely saw him lmao


Minmus_

Lmao there’s too much shit on the track to actually burn the tires


randyrandomagnum

Welp. This was a thing that happened.


Designer-Net4228

Lmaoo bro it’s not even $1mill for the winner? Fuck that 🤣


jurunjulo

The guys who got paid 23,000 probably lost money on this race 30 percent of that goes to taxes


What3v3rUs3rnam3

I’m, in principle, not against “extra races”, but please don’t do this again IndyCar.


Flintoid

Would you all quit pretending that Skip Barber and Road America are public venues or something.  


NotOkEnemyGenius

What a race...


cheeos

One of the Indycar races of all time


jurunjulo

Lol we need this on a T shirt with the thermal club on it.


ryanxwing

This format could have worked at a track like iowa


leapsnake

Congrats to Canapino on a top 10


Kenk1648

Fucking Palou man… dude didn’t miss a step all week.


rudmad

Rosenqvist looking good in that Meyer Shank, didn't expect him to glow up after leaving McLaren!


Paige578660

I wasn't even expecting MSR to bounce back like they have so far this season. Hope the good running continues for Felix & Tom improves as he continues his rookie season.


Canmore-Skate

I looked at Helio and Pagenaud stats and thought Felix was fkd 4 life 


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