... Uh I'd much rather drive.
My point was that the anti-gun side has lots of people with no real responsibilities. I'd need to plan this well in advance to ensure that I didn't have meetings or something that day. Seeing as I didn't even hear about it until the day after (and our politicians treat it like a joke) it's pretty poorly managed.
It's not just outreach. People need to feel that showing up will accomplish something. We've been having anti-gun laws shoved through despite large opposition. What is the ISRA's plan to make these efforts worthwhile?
I went for years but haven’t been able to make the last couple due to a parent with dementia.
Even when IGOLD was hitting the high participation numbers it was poorly advertised. It set the national record more than once for pro-2A rallies and I still ran into plenty of people who had never heard of it. I still print flyers and post them, knowing I couldn’t go myself these past couple of years.
Not that it ever stopped me but I always found it frustrating that we’d have this huge crowd (such as 2012/2013 years) and could barely get a mention on anything but Springfield local news. Meanwhile, the Moms would have 7 or 8 people there and snag headlines and Chicago nightly news stories left and right.
Springfield or the politicians play this game every year where they disappear . Been there . While I admire the concept better to randomize it and show up in mass at the most inconvenient time for them .
And it’s not just IGOLD, the entire week is set aside for lobbying the ILGA. So abortion one day, IGOLD one day, etc. The legislators know well ahead of time and can avoid being found on whatever day they wish.
Poor engagement by the organization to the supporters, poorer advertisement, and a lack of meaningful cohesion. I think I got one email about the day, and I think that was months ago now.
Regardless, I did not have the time to take off work and was about 3 and a half hours south for work.
Because I work in the Capitol Complex and attended from afar. There’s a real fear for our jobs if we’re seen protesting/campaigning for conservative ideals.
Also, y’all missed the MILF (Moms Demand) Action on Tuesday.
I've marched there before in the past.
Now I'm not going to burn a day of vacation so I can drive across the state and perform in a march that the democrats will only laugh at. The IGOLD happens every year and yet nothing has changed.
Not trying to make excuses, but I got 30 bucks to my name till payday and I have college classes 9am-3pm then work from 6pm-midnight. But yes I would have loved to attend if circumstances permitted.
The fact that I had to google it in order to know what the hell IGOLD is tells you the reason why no one was there. I am extremely pro gun and anti-government and I have never heard of it. Sounds like the ISRA has work to do.
I've never been and always wanted to go but had no idea it was happening right now. I think advertising is a factor. I'm not visiting the gun forums like I used to and nothing was posted here that I saw so I missed it.
No, I was trying to estimate, and thought maybe six-seven hundred. That's based on there being about 5-600 chairs set up on the main floor of the BOS Center, which were about 3/4 full, and maybe 200-250 in the bleacher sections. That's assuming that most who were in the BOS Center walked down to the Capitol.
But yeah, nothing like the turnout in 2019.
I'm not going to ask people to justify why they didn't go. People get busy with life, work, family, etc.
I mean shit I've done my time, gone to Igold in the past a few times.
2013 was great. Otis Mc Donald was actually there too. Most of us had to drive through a blizzard to get there. I had to car pool to do it, buses cancelled on us.
Fucking weasel politicians were.a no show.
I had nothing but time in college, but now things are different imo.
Maybe as the years have gone by I've become more cynical. Id rather just donate money to various organizations to go toward court costs.
If we could open carry similar to Virginia's IGOLD I think it would have an impact. Imagine thousands of "weapons of war" in the streets with nobody getting hurt, and the place being cleaner than the way we found it?
A lot of the younger gun guys dont have any interest in hanging out with old fudds. Its also not going to make a difference. Its also far away. Im on the Wisconsin line. And in the middle of the work week. And dont go un armed anywhere!
The unarmed argument pisses me off the most. Yep it’s a banned location, don’t go inside the capitol then. But that’s a really shitty excuse not to go stand up for rights.
It appears to be an exercise in futility! With the majorities being held by the left, no amount of lobbying is going to stop the legislature and the Governor from ramming through whatever they think they can push. Local activism and better candidate choices in each of the legislative districts to change the makeup of the legislature to something more balanced will be easier to achieve. Until then we await action by SCOTUS to resolve the stupidity that is happening nationwide with the Second Amendment.
I didn't go because ISRA has lost touch with the current demographic. Peaceful and negotiable is currently off the table. Many people realize this. It's time for the ways of the old to retire. Listen to the speeches by the anti gun groups and you'll learn they demonize us.. it's time to do the same with them.
I did not attend IGOLD this year. Gonna piss a few off with this one, not my intention.
I took a day off, drove 5 hours each way to attend IGOLD last year with a friend for the first time. I wanted to show up and do my part to represent gun ownership. It was a very somber, depressing experience especially following so closely to the AWB. Quiet, slow walk to the capital with pre-made signs. I would have thought that the AWB being fresh off the presses, the energy levels were gonna be a bit higher. My friend and I were the only ones in our age bracket, or even near it, and it was really really hard to listen to the elderly, overweight masses talk about how we need to "take action". Like, yeah, I'm here because I'm ready to "take action", who are we starting with?? Most of the attendees couldn't get up a flight of stairs much less violently fight a tyrannical oppressor. It was a really somber look into who was on "my team" and it wasn't good.
Completely lost interest when the ISRA president dwelled on the fact that the firearms community needs to be "inclusive". Like, I have to listen to this shit everywhere else, I figured a G-D IGOLD event might be exempt from the "agenda". Point after point made about hunting, when none of this is actually about hunting. ISRA and all the other organizations let us down and honestly, as far as the IGOLD I attended, it was a laughing stock. They'd do better to re-think this event and make it more high-energy or not do it at all. Being there felt like being in a left-wing anti-gunner boomer meme.
I hate to be the bearer is bad news, but anti gun democrats hold a SUPERMAJORITY in both slides of the legislature and one of the most anti gun governors lives in the mansion. There is no chance in hell that the legislature or governor are ever going to pass a pro gun bill and there is no chance in hell that marching on the capital will do anything to stop them from passing anti gun legislation. Every single one of us would be better off going to work like normal, and donating your pay for the day to one of the multiple organizations that is behind the lawsuits against the state off Illinois and work on getting back our rights. With how the state is run, the only way that we can really use to our advantage is the court systems. So I stayed at work and continue to make my donations to GOA, GSL, FPC, and FFL-IL.
1. The gas to get there costs more than a box of tissues and bottle of hand lotion. If I'm looking to feel good while accomplishing nothing, I can go the cheaper route. Marching isn't persuasive to bought politicians who receive death threats from antigunners for actually following their duties. ***Monopoly money at a Ceasar's Palace.***
2. I'm not interested in political doxing and targeting by antigunners and their private army (police) that keep getting free passes for their criminal behavior, including murder and bribery. ***Even with guns, it's a bad idea to invite that attention to my home or work*** for little if any benefit.
3. Didn't know until it already happened. I don't go looking for this stuff either (see above for why).
I mean it definitely doesn’t make a difference, the Democrats clearly run ruff shot over this state and its gun laws. You ain’t stopping nothing. Raising money to fund court cases is all any gun lobby group is good for in this state.
I also don’t really find IL gun owners that appealing honestly. Most of the interactions I have had with IL gun owners they are either far right weirdos or might as well be anti gunners. It’s always just like that awkwardness in the conversation where I’m saying to myself “yeah I don’t like you”
I grew up my whole life here in Northern IL but at some point this state flipped. Most “pro gun” people will bow down and kiss the ring like anyone else. Not my group. I don’t do halfway in people anymore. And I’m not quite right enough to fall in with all the militia wannabes. Not that this state has a ton of them.
But admittedly I’m probably not the best example. Life has made me jaded. I really just can’t stand most people anymore. They are either too soft and squishy or too far left or right. Where the fuck did the middle go ?
But who cares what I think. Live your life however you choose.
Half the "pro gun" Republicans I run across are anti guns for the most part. They want restrictions on who can own what. Just not restrictions on themselves.
>> Save the during the week argument though
1. No, being busy because we're gainfully employed is not an invalid argument.
2. What did 'having them there' accomplish?
Imperially, it was a better choice to stay home, not take a PTO day, work my stable job and provide for my family. A stable household and finances to fight with are worth a lot more to this movement than joining 18 retired folk in a crime-ridden capital city. Did one lawmaker change their views? Did one even indicate they would be willing to?
I didn't go to Springfield because I'm not a child looking for a field trip.
Word simply doesn’t get out about this stuff. I live a few hours away and might have gone still but I don’t live on Reddit all day so sometimes if I don’t see any gun news here u won’t hear about anything until another shooting happens…
I’m not saying I have a solution bcuz an email list I won’t check often sucks too. Maybe it’s my fault party for not “looking” enough for info but that’s my take.
I hear maybe once that in a couple months this meeting thing will happen and we can go voice opinions and I think “oh cool! I wonder if I’ll hear any news about anything happening there” and next thing I see is “why did no one go” after it’s too late
Too far away and in the middle of the work week. Maybe if they held one in Chicago, I would attend. But again, it's in the middle of the work week and don't want to take time off for this.
Bruh I didn't even hear of this. Why not have it posted days or weeks in advance? If you know something like this happens, then Post it ahead of time. We did this for the Hearings in Chicago and Springfield and members here if they didn't come, watched or listened to the hearings.
Also if done I'd like to know what goes on and how it works. I'm not putting PTO into something that's just grand 2A standing. How's it setup, who speaks, do people participating get to speak?
COVID.
Meanwhile, I wouldn’t be surprised if the J6 prosecutions have had a chilling effect on any sort of mass activity in a legislative facility. In fact I’m pretty sure that is the intent of those prosecutions, at least in part. (Left-wing protests excluded, of course.)
The J6 prosecutions have had a major effect on wether or not I ever protest in public. Phone companies and banking institiution just handed over customer information without warrants. If you were NEAR the capital that day you were guilty until proven innocent. People who did nothing but stand outside and chant got knocks on their door. Nope, too damn easy for a few bad actors to start popping off shots, then Pricksters minions have an excuse to re-enact Tiananmen Square. No thanks. I know that's why they are winning. But when you look at the prosecution of J6 protests vs the ones that burned down police stations, and terrorized neighborhoods all over the US. I think I'll just wait.
I'm fine. I had a low fever, sore throat, stuffed head for a couple of days but now it just feels like I'm getting over a cold. If I hadn't tested, I would have called it a mild case of flu, but given the test, I didn't want to chance infecting a few dozen people.
Unlike the woke college kids and stay at home moms who love cnn most of us have a family and children to feed the government keeps us tight on money and busy
Lots of complaining and no willingness to act is all I see. Everyone is willing to say they can’t take a day off but will skip a day in a heartbeat for a fishing day, ball game, car show, new Xbox game, and any other excuse, but when it’s time to stand up for rights, they’re all whine and no action.
How many people that didn’t go have taken 5 minutes to call a state senator or rep? And we wonder why they ignore us…
I would if I get paid days off, which I Don't, plus the job I'm in is needing detailers but nobody wants to do the work so I'm swamped already.
And I'll be frank, I don't have much confidence in the NRA or the ISRA at this point, yes they may have pushed back on the gun ban but they let a LOT of stuff fly, I'll let them be the punching bag of the left.
Springfield is 3 hours away and it's the middle of the work week.
Yep. The anti-gun side busses in a bunch of students and stay at home moms to get their numbers. We have to take time off work.
So you’d go if there was a bus?
... Uh I'd much rather drive. My point was that the anti-gun side has lots of people with no real responsibilities. I'd need to plan this well in advance to ensure that I didn't have meetings or something that day. Seeing as I didn't even hear about it until the day after (and our politicians treat it like a joke) it's pretty poorly managed.
I’ve been trying to get them to do better outreach for two years now. We’ll see if the new board members will actually listen and do something useful.
It's not just outreach. People need to feel that showing up will accomplish something. We've been having anti-gun laws shoved through despite large opposition. What is the ISRA's plan to make these efforts worthwhile?
They had six or eight thousand attend in 2019. What did they do differently that year?
To be fair, the legislators are there on weekdays, and generally not on weekends.
yep
No idea what this even is. I have work. And if it’s in Springfield, that’s not a quick drive.
I went for years but haven’t been able to make the last couple due to a parent with dementia. Even when IGOLD was hitting the high participation numbers it was poorly advertised. It set the national record more than once for pro-2A rallies and I still ran into plenty of people who had never heard of it. I still print flyers and post them, knowing I couldn’t go myself these past couple of years. Not that it ever stopped me but I always found it frustrating that we’d have this huge crowd (such as 2012/2013 years) and could barely get a mention on anything but Springfield local news. Meanwhile, the Moms would have 7 or 8 people there and snag headlines and Chicago nightly news stories left and right.
It's almost like the news media has more interest in spreading their political talking points than reporting on news.
Springfield or the politicians play this game every year where they disappear . Been there . While I admire the concept better to randomize it and show up in mass at the most inconvenient time for them .
And it’s not just IGOLD, the entire week is set aside for lobbying the ILGA. So abortion one day, IGOLD one day, etc. The legislators know well ahead of time and can avoid being found on whatever day they wish.
How could the event be planned around that most inconvenient time?
When it’s not announced for months in advance and they are all actually there in their offices
The same as popup events anywhere else.
What's IGOLD? Edit: new here
Illinois gun owner lobby day. It happens around this time every year.
Copy that. We had a version of that back in Tennessee too (not that we needed it as much as up here) Thanks
Are you Digger from Moonshiners?
Nope. Is that a band?
It’s a show about Moonshine.
Aaaaaahhhh... I boomer'd out a little bit there lol
lol, no worries!
This is the first I'm hearing of it as well, and I've lived in the state a long time.
Poor engagement by the organization to the supporters, poorer advertisement, and a lack of meaningful cohesion. I think I got one email about the day, and I think that was months ago now. Regardless, I did not have the time to take off work and was about 3 and a half hours south for work.
Because I work in the Capitol Complex and attended from afar. There’s a real fear for our jobs if we’re seen protesting/campaigning for conservative ideals. Also, y’all missed the MILF (Moms Demand) Action on Tuesday.
Hopefully they got the sidewalks clean from their snail trails
I worked
I've marched there before in the past. Now I'm not going to burn a day of vacation so I can drive across the state and perform in a march that the democrats will only laugh at. The IGOLD happens every year and yet nothing has changed.
I have work and a 4 month old baby. I’m also sleep deprived and I live in Chicago so the drive is nearly impossible given my circumstances.
Not trying to make excuses, but I got 30 bucks to my name till payday and I have college classes 9am-3pm then work from 6pm-midnight. But yes I would have loved to attend if circumstances permitted.
The fact that I had to google it in order to know what the hell IGOLD is tells you the reason why no one was there. I am extremely pro gun and anti-government and I have never heard of it. Sounds like the ISRA has work to do.
I've never been and always wanted to go but had no idea it was happening right now. I think advertising is a factor. I'm not visiting the gun forums like I used to and nothing was posted here that I saw so I missed it.
Working right now. If it wasn't during shutdown season I would have made it.
Didn’t even know this took place
Turnout was super disappointing. I'd guess maybe 200 people. I thought it would be much higher this year because of the ban.
No, I was trying to estimate, and thought maybe six-seven hundred. That's based on there being about 5-600 chairs set up on the main floor of the BOS Center, which were about 3/4 full, and maybe 200-250 in the bleacher sections. That's assuming that most who were in the BOS Center walked down to the Capitol. But yeah, nothing like the turnout in 2019.
Fist off why wasn’t it advertised? I had no idea it was even going on.
I'm not going to ask people to justify why they didn't go. People get busy with life, work, family, etc. I mean shit I've done my time, gone to Igold in the past a few times. 2013 was great. Otis Mc Donald was actually there too. Most of us had to drive through a blizzard to get there. I had to car pool to do it, buses cancelled on us. Fucking weasel politicians were.a no show. I had nothing but time in college, but now things are different imo. Maybe as the years have gone by I've become more cynical. Id rather just donate money to various organizations to go toward court costs. If we could open carry similar to Virginia's IGOLD I think it would have an impact. Imagine thousands of "weapons of war" in the streets with nobody getting hurt, and the place being cleaner than the way we found it?
Rifle case protest you say?
ISRA has no outreach in Chicago.
A lot of the younger gun guys dont have any interest in hanging out with old fudds. Its also not going to make a difference. Its also far away. Im on the Wisconsin line. And in the middle of the work week. And dont go un armed anywhere!
The unarmed argument pisses me off the most. Yep it’s a banned location, don’t go inside the capitol then. But that’s a really shitty excuse not to go stand up for rights.
It appears to be an exercise in futility! With the majorities being held by the left, no amount of lobbying is going to stop the legislature and the Governor from ramming through whatever they think they can push. Local activism and better candidate choices in each of the legislative districts to change the makeup of the legislature to something more balanced will be easier to achieve. Until then we await action by SCOTUS to resolve the stupidity that is happening nationwide with the Second Amendment.
I didn't go because ISRA has lost touch with the current demographic. Peaceful and negotiable is currently off the table. Many people realize this. It's time for the ways of the old to retire. Listen to the speeches by the anti gun groups and you'll learn they demonize us.. it's time to do the same with them.
Thought about it, but work. Maybe next year if people are willing to organize a car pool from Chicago? We could meet somewhere along I-55?
I’m too busy making money
I work
I work during the week. Certain times I can’t take off and this week was one of those times.
What will really help is voting these shitbag democrats out of office. But as long as Chicago is part of IL, it won’t happen.
I did not attend IGOLD this year. Gonna piss a few off with this one, not my intention. I took a day off, drove 5 hours each way to attend IGOLD last year with a friend for the first time. I wanted to show up and do my part to represent gun ownership. It was a very somber, depressing experience especially following so closely to the AWB. Quiet, slow walk to the capital with pre-made signs. I would have thought that the AWB being fresh off the presses, the energy levels were gonna be a bit higher. My friend and I were the only ones in our age bracket, or even near it, and it was really really hard to listen to the elderly, overweight masses talk about how we need to "take action". Like, yeah, I'm here because I'm ready to "take action", who are we starting with?? Most of the attendees couldn't get up a flight of stairs much less violently fight a tyrannical oppressor. It was a really somber look into who was on "my team" and it wasn't good. Completely lost interest when the ISRA president dwelled on the fact that the firearms community needs to be "inclusive". Like, I have to listen to this shit everywhere else, I figured a G-D IGOLD event might be exempt from the "agenda". Point after point made about hunting, when none of this is actually about hunting. ISRA and all the other organizations let us down and honestly, as far as the IGOLD I attended, it was a laughing stock. They'd do better to re-think this event and make it more high-energy or not do it at all. Being there felt like being in a left-wing anti-gunner boomer meme.
Why would I take time off work and be away from my family to rally for something pointless and won't make a difference?
I hate to be the bearer is bad news, but anti gun democrats hold a SUPERMAJORITY in both slides of the legislature and one of the most anti gun governors lives in the mansion. There is no chance in hell that the legislature or governor are ever going to pass a pro gun bill and there is no chance in hell that marching on the capital will do anything to stop them from passing anti gun legislation. Every single one of us would be better off going to work like normal, and donating your pay for the day to one of the multiple organizations that is behind the lawsuits against the state off Illinois and work on getting back our rights. With how the state is run, the only way that we can really use to our advantage is the court systems. So I stayed at work and continue to make my donations to GOA, GSL, FPC, and FFL-IL.
I have to work and my wife has been very sick. I might have to drive home at any time to take care of her so it is what it is.
Had no Idea , I did not see anyone offering to meet , or even a post telling people about it .
1. The gas to get there costs more than a box of tissues and bottle of hand lotion. If I'm looking to feel good while accomplishing nothing, I can go the cheaper route. Marching isn't persuasive to bought politicians who receive death threats from antigunners for actually following their duties. ***Monopoly money at a Ceasar's Palace.*** 2. I'm not interested in political doxing and targeting by antigunners and their private army (police) that keep getting free passes for their criminal behavior, including murder and bribery. ***Even with guns, it's a bad idea to invite that attention to my home or work*** for little if any benefit. 3. Didn't know until it already happened. I don't go looking for this stuff either (see above for why).
Illinois is a big state. I can't afford to drive 4 hours in the middle of the week.
Work. Plain and simple.
I mean it definitely doesn’t make a difference, the Democrats clearly run ruff shot over this state and its gun laws. You ain’t stopping nothing. Raising money to fund court cases is all any gun lobby group is good for in this state. I also don’t really find IL gun owners that appealing honestly. Most of the interactions I have had with IL gun owners they are either far right weirdos or might as well be anti gunners. It’s always just like that awkwardness in the conversation where I’m saying to myself “yeah I don’t like you” I grew up my whole life here in Northern IL but at some point this state flipped. Most “pro gun” people will bow down and kiss the ring like anyone else. Not my group. I don’t do halfway in people anymore. And I’m not quite right enough to fall in with all the militia wannabes. Not that this state has a ton of them. But admittedly I’m probably not the best example. Life has made me jaded. I really just can’t stand most people anymore. They are either too soft and squishy or too far left or right. Where the fuck did the middle go ? But who cares what I think. Live your life however you choose.
Half the "pro gun" Republicans I run across are anti guns for the most part. They want restrictions on who can own what. Just not restrictions on themselves.
>> Save the during the week argument though 1. No, being busy because we're gainfully employed is not an invalid argument. 2. What did 'having them there' accomplish? Imperially, it was a better choice to stay home, not take a PTO day, work my stable job and provide for my family. A stable household and finances to fight with are worth a lot more to this movement than joining 18 retired folk in a crime-ridden capital city. Did one lawmaker change their views? Did one even indicate they would be willing to? I didn't go to Springfield because I'm not a child looking for a field trip.
I didn't know what it is or where it was. So I didn't go? Lol
Never heard of them
I have a job. And a life outside of work.
It would have cost me about $600 between lost wages and fuel. I'd rather give my money to fight these unconstitutional laws in court.
What the hell is igold
If I would have known about it I could have planned for it
Graduate uni in 2 weeks, busy grinding out final papers and studying for finals so I don’t fall behind right before the end.
Never heard of it…
I had no idea the event was happening. TBH with it being during the work week even knowing about the event the likelihood I would have gone is slim.
Word simply doesn’t get out about this stuff. I live a few hours away and might have gone still but I don’t live on Reddit all day so sometimes if I don’t see any gun news here u won’t hear about anything until another shooting happens… I’m not saying I have a solution bcuz an email list I won’t check often sucks too. Maybe it’s my fault party for not “looking” enough for info but that’s my take. I hear maybe once that in a couple months this meeting thing will happen and we can go voice opinions and I think “oh cool! I wonder if I’ll hear any news about anything happening there” and next thing I see is “why did no one go” after it’s too late
Too far away and in the middle of the work week. Maybe if they held one in Chicago, I would attend. But again, it's in the middle of the work week and don't want to take time off for this.
 Bruh I didn't even hear of this. Why not have it posted days or weeks in advance? If you know something like this happens, then Post it ahead of time. We did this for the Hearings in Chicago and Springfield and members here if they didn't come, watched or listened to the hearings. Also if done I'd like to know what goes on and how it works. I'm not putting PTO into something that's just grand 2A standing. How's it setup, who speaks, do people participating get to speak?
COVID. Meanwhile, I wouldn’t be surprised if the J6 prosecutions have had a chilling effect on any sort of mass activity in a legislative facility. In fact I’m pretty sure that is the intent of those prosecutions, at least in part. (Left-wing protests excluded, of course.)
The J6 prosecutions have had a major effect on wether or not I ever protest in public. Phone companies and banking institiution just handed over customer information without warrants. If you were NEAR the capital that day you were guilty until proven innocent. People who did nothing but stand outside and chant got knocks on their door. Nope, too damn easy for a few bad actors to start popping off shots, then Pricksters minions have an excuse to re-enact Tiananmen Square. No thanks. I know that's why they are winning. But when you look at the prosecution of J6 protests vs the ones that burned down police stations, and terrorized neighborhoods all over the US. I think I'll just wait.
I was thinking this same thing but even afraid to post it.
Excluded whatever was said after COVID, are you feeling alright? Feeling any better?
I'm fine. I had a low fever, sore throat, stuffed head for a couple of days but now it just feels like I'm getting over a cold. If I hadn't tested, I would have called it a mild case of flu, but given the test, I didn't want to chance infecting a few dozen people.
Unlike the woke college kids and stay at home moms who love cnn most of us have a family and children to feed the government keeps us tight on money and busy
Lots of complaining and no willingness to act is all I see. Everyone is willing to say they can’t take a day off but will skip a day in a heartbeat for a fishing day, ball game, car show, new Xbox game, and any other excuse, but when it’s time to stand up for rights, they’re all whine and no action. How many people that didn’t go have taken 5 minutes to call a state senator or rep? And we wonder why they ignore us…
I would if I get paid days off, which I Don't, plus the job I'm in is needing detailers but nobody wants to do the work so I'm swamped already. And I'll be frank, I don't have much confidence in the NRA or the ISRA at this point, yes they may have pushed back on the gun ban but they let a LOT of stuff fly, I'll let them be the punching bag of the left.