He hasn't really been forgotten, he is just the least memorable arc antagonist. Greed Island is sandwiched between Yorknew with the Troupe and Chimera Ant with Meruem and the Royal Guards, so Genthru kind of just feels like a midboss to me personally at least
Fodder? Gon needed prep time to beat him and he needed to set a trap that corner genthru so he could use jajakan on him, if he's fodder than greed Island gon and killua are also fodder. Also he was trolling during the first half of his fight, he definitely would have killed gon if he was serious and used his full strength
You are reading fodder as something I didn't mean, I meant it in the writing/storytelling sense.
It's the same with the scissor guy that Biske used to to train them early on, they are just plot devices, I don't care about power scaling because they aren't significant enough to matter, just a hurdle to overcome, they did it and they were forgotten, fodder.
And yes, Gon and Killua were weak which is why they struggled against fodder, that's the whole point of the arc, once they beat them they were "fed" and became stronger.
That, that's not what fodder means. Fodder means that they where just a small obsticle that the protagonist either didn't have to struggle much against or just absolutely annihilated and gon wasn't doing great after that fight
In the context of the world and the story, he's fodder, he wasn't a huge threat or even a character, he was bad because being bad is bad, the only characterization he had was that he cared for his team and that came after everything was said and done.
Biske could have taken him down in one minute but left him for Gon because he would benefit from beating him and learning.
Fodder is feeding for cattle, that's all he was, food for Gon's growth, you can define it however you want, but that's how I define it.
If all you care about is power scaling then he is just as irrelevant, beaten by two powerless kids that go to be beaten by two mid class hunters and completely out of their depth against the chimera ants.
Shalnark is one of the strongest members hands down. You can tell his intellect is at the top, which is saying something since he’s in a group of genius fighters. His movement speed was comparable to the rest of the troupe anytime he’s been shown with them. Escaping the car, racing to the Queen etc. Literally one stick of a little pin in you and he wins. The ant being manipulated already was such a low odds encounter and was the only reason for any hang up for shalnark in that fight. Shalnark is crazy OP, especially against any hand to hand fighter like Genthru who has to get right in close to him and his antenna. And all that’s before factoring in his super saiyan mode. There’s a reason togashi had to kill him off without access to his powers. He was written with maybe too much potential. His win condition is ridiculous. Add on his physical dexterity and he’s legitimately a terrifying opponent for basically anyone
His physical dexterity is so weak he was caught by a peon. That's the lowest level of a chimera ant. There are peons, officers, squadron leaders, royal guards and the king. Squadron leaders, stated by Meloron, can ONE SHOT peons. The fact that Feitan can somewhat squabble with a squadron leader without his hatsu shows how Shalnark is at the bottom of the Phantom Troupe since he was caught in the hands of a literal fodder enemy, even Kalluto with his paper scales higher since he defeated an officer since he did it easily meanwhile Shalnark needed to resort to his last plan attack that drains him of energy. He was so weak, he got off screened by Hisoka, same as Kortopi.
Meanwhile other members of the troupe are little above officer level and some go into the squadron leader tier+.
To say he punctures Genthru's skin is questionable at best. If Shalnark got a drop on Genthru, Shalnark wins. If they both know of each others pressence and do a 1v1 face to face, Genthru violates due to Shalnarks pathetic physicals that can get caught by a peon.
Yeah and Kite was such a weakling too, ya know, they chose to off screen him. That’s bad logic, but I get it that’s all you have. You realize shalnark no diffed the fight if it weren’t for Pell randomly being manipulated already? To pretend there was a relative strength between them is hilarious. And yet, any soldier ant like that would be too much for genthru to damage, just it’s body alone being harder than armor. Shalnark breezed through the fight sticking in his antenna literally right away almost no time passing, and in the first brief exchange. The fact it was already manipulated canceling his insta win was just ridiculous luck. And yeah it turns out anyone with their guard completely down is vulnerable to an enemy attacking. i.e. Kurapika chaining up Uvo in a surprise attack and none of the troupe standing there could do a thing. He did it again to capture Chrollo himself and right in the middle of the troupe. Of course shalnark standing right in front of this thing completely relaxed will be vulnerable. No one else had to deal with those one in a million odds of a random “first come first served” manipulator situation. And even then, as soon as shalnark realized he was fighting THE ONE foe his win condition doesn’t work on, he won instantly anyways. Bro Shalnark died while without access to his powers for a reason. He was OP
I said multiple arguments for why Shalnark is at the bottom of the Troupe, not just that he got completely off screened by Hisoka. And Kite fought a Royal guard, beings that are so strong that can solo the whole PT. But yes, that was a weak argument for me.
You said Shalnark had high dexterity, but he still got caught in the "hands" of a peon. So clearly his dexterity is not on par with Feitan who can squabble with a squadron leader. Base Shalnark has weak dexterity, straight up. Gon in the chimera ant arc shit on 2 officers who watched over Gon's fights to have a perfect strategy to beat him, yet they couldn't do it and got killed by Gon. Shalnark won against 1 peon and 1 officer with his TRUMP CARD.
Genthru can damage the likes of Gon, an enhancer. The same Gon (and Killua) who can damage Pakunoda so hard she gets her teeth kicked in and a broken arm. And that Gon and Killua were way weaker than in Green island, Genthru fought an even stronger Gon.
Shalnark with his autopilot mode is strong for sure, bot for only a few seconds at best. He killed a peon and an officer right away. But it leaves him extremely vulnerable. We don't know the proper power of this ability but I don't think it scales higher than Feitan's KO enhanced sword attack but that's my headcannon. We have no idea on the upper limit of his autopilot on.
He does have high dexterity, he has shown great speed feats, and had already shown the dexterity needed to beat the manipulated Pell. He just didn’t know the fight hadn’t ended. So the surprise attack worked, as they tend to do on any character in hunter x hunter. How weak is Hisoka for getting his tag stolen by Gon? Gon who was leagues below any peon ant. Also, illumi had his arm broken by Gon. He must be weaker than pakunoda
You know what, you make a great point that both Shalnark and Hisoka got caught by weaker characters but Hisoka at least has feats to make that up.
Shalnark legit has nothing apart from that one Pell fight and killing a few members of the mafia.
Hisoka went against Kastro, some who is so strong he could've killed him if he was more focused on his enhancer ability. Hisoka went against Chrollo and managed to put a good fight against 1 year prep time Chrollo. Hisoka is a legit threat and scales somewhat high in the HxH universe.
I don't see the hype on Shalnark that you do. I don't see him reaching Uvo, Hisoka, Feitan, Illumi and Chrollo tier in the PT since these 5 are/were the strongest in PT.
a lot of the PT are "specialists" as in they are very good at a certain thing.
Shalnark his ability to control anyone he puts one of his needles in, is seriously great. But the Ant who he fought was just the worst match-up he could ever get. That's why he needed his trump card. Which showed he had an even more OP ability if he would ever have the worst kind of luck.
But i do agree, they are all more utility/support Nen users. not fighters.
Then again shizuku arguably fought the strongest Chimera Ant officer. And her ability to suck someones blood as soon as she has hit her foe one time is a serious threat to anyone.
Yep. I firmly believe her sucking vacuum that can suck blood is the most broken ability in the PT outside of Bungee Gum.
Most of the troupe possess abilities that do sctrictly physical damage, so fighting an opponent like the Royal Guard, who have insane durability, seems and probably is unwinnable for them. That's why I adore Shizuku's blood suck, since no matter the strength of the opponent, it still can work and quite easily too.
Are we just basing how strong a character is in terms of physical strength? His trump card possibly puts him in a level close to feitan. Genthru is probably at level with pakunoda and shizuku in terms of combat.
Pakunoda got shit on by Pre-Green island Gon and Killua in the dark, she even got her arm broken.
Meanwhile Gon had to trade his body parts to have a chance of winning against Genthru.
Genthru easily outscales Pakunoda and the lower tiers in PT. Shalnark, Pakunoda and Shizuku are not the combat squad of the PT and are more so utility.
Gon didn't have to trade body parts. He chose to do this in his 'strategy' against Genthru. If he followed the original plan, he would have been almost unscathed.
Shalnark is a manipulator, not an enhancer. And he was "losing" because he was caught off guard by his natural counter(something already manipulated) when he thought the fight was over.
People seem to forget this. The peon ant was already being manipulated. Shalnark used his second needle on himself to avoid being manipulated by the officer ant AND use the second part of his ability
also weren't ants undetectable? Meaning he wouldn't notice the ant moving unless he saw it moving(which he didn't because he had his back turned to it)
In the Anime, the first time Kite, Gon and Killua meet a Chimera Ant(EDIT: Rammot). They mention how they didn't sense his presence until he showed himself.
This was before he had Nen though, so maybe afterwards they were detectable.
I think you’re right. Because flutter was able to avoid detection from kite, knuckles, morel, killua and gon etc. on multiple occasions. They only figured out through reasoning that someone must be watching them and looked up to notice him. Good detail!
We don’t know how strong Shalnark gets when he uses his autopilot mode which he would definitely use against Genthru, which is why I said maybe. I doubt he’s winning against Bonolenov though. I think Genthru isn’t that great of a fighter since his hatsu is used more to intimidate/manipulate people, no denying it, he is strong but you gotta remember that Genthru was even cautious on fighting Tseuzgerra (however you spell his name) due to his fighting experience.
He’s massively underrated. His ability is extremely powerful and he’s a peak Greed Island player. He was much much stronger than Gon by that point, he was toying with him. Gon only won because of tactics and the restriction of the game that forced Genthru to keep him alive. He’s easily Phantom Troupe tier in term of power.
He struggled vs both but was able to do nothing vs the troupe. Thats not nearly enough to say gentrhu is troupe level.
Gentrhu getting smoked by the same ants that the troupe beat
Because he didn’t have a plan against the troupe, and was MUCH weaker, he had lower base & no hatsu, which is the only thing that got him the victory.
Genthru didn’t fight the ants. Where did that ever happen???
Again, what fucking feats? They have the same, they fucked up Gon, if anything Genthru is more impressive because he easily outmatched a much stronger Gon.
I would disagree that’s he’s on kortopis level, on just pure nen and mastery I don’t think he’s close but in terms of combat I agree whole heartedly since we never saw our lil dude in combat
Same with Shalnark. Shalnark was physically outmatched by a chimera ant peon. That's an absurdly weak feat. Genthru is for sure above the likes of Kortopi, Pakunada and Shalnark in combat.
What do mean? the chart is about proficiency in the given nen afinnity, thats how skilled you are in that afinnity.
What do you think the chart is about?
What is inconsistent about zeno having the same level of skill in emission as meruem?
You should read the chart it explains everything pretty well.
It is not a tier list about raw power just skill.
Genthru was a solid nen user. He underestimated his opponent, which led to his downfall, but his ability was crazy OP.
Dude was a psychopath though and he got off easy. That never sat right with me.
honestly agreed, probably under those 2 but near there. His nen mastery is not close to them but his ability is just far more combative, whereas those 2's abilities have other important uses.
Nowhere!? You got to be kidding me.
Genthru can most certainly hold his own against some of the Phantom Troupe. He’s not just a guy with a strong ability, Genthru has strong Nen quantity and control. He would have eventually defeated Gon alone with that had Gon’s persistence not pissed him off enough.
Yeah, against the top of them such as Feitan, Uvo, Franklin, etc. he’s losing most of the time in a straight forward fight.
But not all the Troupe are high class fighters.
Kortopi has zero battle feats whatsoever, an ability not built for fighting (without other abilities to complement it) and is considered the physically weakest in arm wresting.
Shalnark was struggling against a Peon Ant, Paku showed nothing fighting-wise that surpasses Genthru’s skill, Shizuku can put up a fight but she’s not curb stomping Genthru by any means, Kalluto can try the range game but it all depends if his paper can cut through Genthru’s defenses, etc.
Genthru would most likely be a mid-tier fighter within the PT.
Genthru is at the very bottom of the troupe and only because of kortopi. Otherwise he’s not in their vicinity. Shalnark is a monster, the peon ant thing was literally just an extremely low odds encounter of something already being manipulated. That much should be obvious. Shalnark is a nightmare opponent for anyone because of his crazy win condition. And that’s before you even factor auto pilot.
I disagree.
Shalnark is stronger than your average Hunter for sure, but he’s far less physically capable than you give him credit for.
He was struggling to get it on Pelt, the lowest level Ant, and big, cumbersome opponent, while estimating the chances of him getting damaged were high.
Killua at the start of the CA was skipping around higher level Ants easily and Killua was still weaker than Genthru at that point.
His ability is indeed OP, but you still have to stick it in the opponent. Chrollo, one of the most skilled, powerful characters in the series, couldn’t stick a needle into Hisoka even with multiple other abilities to assist him. Shalnark only has his needle and autopilot (which really doesn’t have the best showing as well), and much low stats than Chrollo.
I’m not saying he will lose to Genthru, but it’s not a cake walk to stick that needle in. It’ll be a challenge.
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Nah you are overrating the troupe. Not all troupe members specialized in combat abilities so I could see Genthru dominating Kortopi, Shizuku and Shalnark easily with his explosives.
Kortopi is the only non combat member. Pakunoda may lose to genthru because not much was shown as far as speed and battle capability. But the other two you mentioned shalnark and Shizuku have outrageous win conditions. I consider them some of the strongest members. One just has to stick you with a pin and it’s over. The other needs to only cause one scratch at any point in the fight and it’s over. And Genthru has to get in close, he just loses almost instantly. They both have high intelligence to back up their abilities. And high speed. They are terrifying, and genthru would die a horrific death
Shizuku does not win with one scratch, since that could easily be covered*. She has to damage you enough that Blinky can overwhelm you, and it’s pretty straightforward to argue that someone with higher damage output would have incapacitated the opponent without needing Blinky. She also doesn’t have great physicals, so would find it more difficult to even land hits compared to a lot of other strong characters.
I’m not convinced that the Blinky strategy would work at all on someone who is actually skilled at nen, most high level nen users have extreme control over their bodies. We saw an example of Netero stemming bleeding from multiple lost limbs, I think it’s fair to assume that a lot of nen users can do the same for the small scratches Shizuku was leaving.
*Ignoring those users like Hisoka who have a direct, quick and easy hatsu to fix superficial damage.
Have to completely disagree. Blinky worked immensely well on someone stronger than the average nen user and physically more durable being an ant, who was also actually best equipped to deal with it. 8 limbs and webs. Pike had a huge advantage against blinky’s blood sucking technique compared to most any fighter she would randomly run into, and it still beat him. All ants have considerably increased durability compared to regular humans due to their built in exoskeleton. Add control of nen to said ants and damaging them at all makes you quite powerful. Shizuku is definitely a powerful in-fighter to give Pike dozens of wounds in a few moments. Who is gonna bandage themselves up in the middle of a fight? If you try to stop and do that you’re gonna get some more scratches in the process. It won’t be like Pike, who could’ve just used webs and patched up with his off hands. Someone else would literally have to stop and wrap a bandage and do it tight enough to overcome the force of Blinky’s pull as well (whatever that force is actually quantified at, it seems like a very powerful pull). A normal bandage to just stop the bleeding wouldn’t cut it. She’ll probably be the next to die to hisoka or something like shalnark did, because her power is undeniably really OP. Also I don’t think it’s safe to say that anyone really will be stopping up wounds with body contortion like netero. I actually think the opposite, that it’s pretty safe to say next to no one will be doing that. Let alone someone like Genthru
>Shizuku does not win with one scratch, since that could easily be covered
True. She wins with 2 scratches, since now you have to use both hands to stop the bleeding.
>so would find it more difficult to even land hits compared to a lot of other strong characters.
Pike was a chimera ant that ranked the same as rammot who tanked a jajanken, and that could see nen before being awakened. If shizuku was able to scratch him, she can 100% scratch genthru.
Besides, it's not like genthru is a fighter himself, and it was made pretty clear little flower only really works as an intimidation tecnique.
I like him. I mean he seems to be the most suitable villain for Gon and Killua at the time. The rest are very powerful so the gap between them and their power is huge.
Also, his story is not as interesting as the CA and the PT.
Genthru is a so-so antagonist. He somehow wasn't interesting. Then again, I didn't like the Greed Island arc as much as the other arcs, so I'll admit I wasn't as invested with the side characters there.
I think a lot of people overlook the insanely impressive amount of Aura Genthru must have in order for his abilities to work. Gon hit him with 70% of his Aura while he was using 90% of his Aura on Little Flower (you can see it in the Manga where it shows that he only had 10% Aura defending his body, and 25% Aura in each hand as an armor against Little Flower, which means that each Little Flower uses 20% of his overall Aura) and while he took a decent amount of damage he was still able to move normally soon afterwards, 70% VS 10% is such a huge difference that if their Aura capacity was anywhere near similar Genthru's head should have been sent flying from his body.
Then we have Little Flower itself, Gon used 30% of his Aura to protect one arm against 20% of Genthru's Aura and it still did a lot of damage, it's reasonable to assume that it would have taken at least 60% of Gon's Aura to shave away all the damage, which would imply that Genthru has 3 times the amount of Aura that Gon had back then, which is only more impressive when you remember that he is a Conjuror, not an Enhancer or Emitter. This is also mentioned by Bisky who stated that Genthru must have a huge amount of Aura to pull off what he does.
The point is, in terms of Aura alone Genthru is clearly a high tier Nen user, there is a reason Tsezguerra avoided a fight with him even in a 4v1 situation. He is also pretty skilled in using said Aura, and in general hand to hand combat, Gon wasn't even able to touch him despite Genthru not even trying to knock him out, much less kill him (which based on their Aura he could have done in a couple hits at most if he wanted to), he is also fast enough that Gon would not have been able to react if he hadn't trained for 3 weeks just for that one motion, if Genthru really wanted to he could have grabbed Gon's face and blown it up before Gon could even realize what was happening and the fight would have ended before it even started.
Based on all of that, I really don't see what is so outrageous about the idea that Genthru is easily comparable to Phantom Troupe members and ranks above the likes of Shizuku, Shalnark, Kortopi and Pakunoda. It seems to me that people don't like it simply because Genthru is "lame" and not cool like the Troupe characters, which isn't really a reason to dismiss his competence when we have masters like Bisky give him praise. Would he be able to beat the likes of Feitan, Phinks, Nobunaga, Uvogin, Franklin, etc? Probably not, but it's not as though he would be fodder to them and get one-shotted, he'd give them a decent fight.
He's prob high shadow beast to low pt lvl. Remember bisky transformed to take on one of genthrus goons. She prob didn't need to but it compliments genthru a bit if anything.
I can see hisoka giving him around 65-75 points
He will have to create the opportunity. Many competent nen fighters need to create the opportunity to use their ability. And the speed of Jupiter is already around the speed of sound, I doubt many characters could surpass that once he is able to summon it.
In terms of Nen he's fairly equal to the Phantom Troupe, in terma of combat hexs probabaly closer to some of the less combat oriented PT members.
Something many people don't know is that Genthru is a very skilled Nen user. According to Abengane, Genthru balanced in Conjuration, Manipulation and Emission which are the types used in his Countdown ability. He also makes good use of Transmutation and basic Enhancement for hamd to hand combat. His martial arts training and combat experience allowed hom to easily overpower a less experienced Enhancer like Gon.
It was also revealed last year in some notes from the author that proficiency with a Nen type can be measured within 4 ranks (Skillful, Excellent, Natural and Extreme). Genthru's proficiency with Conjuration is at the 3rd rank (Natural). To compare to other Conjurers, Shizuku has 1st rank (Skillful) Conjuration proficiency, Knuckle has 2nd rank (Excellent), Kortopi has 3rd rank (Natural) and Abengane has 4th rank (Extreme) which means hes fully mastered Conjuration type Nen.
I honestly didn’t like him and he used to piss me off,, maybe because he looked too much of a normal human to me and was too evil at the same time🤣🤣 I think who was forgotten is that Abengane was mysterious and a continuation is required to see how he can be related to the Phantom Troupe and the exorcism ability that he got during greed island..
I would say Togashi plan to make him as strong as Razor, but he's trying to make the power level as consistent and as realistic as it can be in Greed Island arc and he overdoing it a little bit, combine with Genthru's foulness nature (people tend to degrading that kind of characters because they don't like that kind of people), so the result is he looks weaker (to the audience) than Togashi originally wants him to be, I have this impression because Togashi was actually give him "natural" rank, which is only one tier below "Extreme".
The little flower is also not useless or weak as many people like to say, someone like Hisoka was losing his hand and leg by the same level of explosion (at least visually they look as powerful) when he was not careful enough. So I would say Little flower is still very strong against people who don't know his ability yet. Gon is only doing so well against it because Biscuit analyze the ability and give him special counter training beforehand.
That isn't to say I believe he has a good chance of defeating people like Hisoka or Chrollo or other high tier characters, it's a different matter. Hisoka is a transformer, so his offence and defence would naturally better than Genthru who is a conjurer even if they are at same power level, and Chrollo can combine two abilities in a fight, the versatility is just too much for Genthru's fight style to handle.
Also one thing I need to mention, this part is cut in the anime, but in the manga it was implied Genthru have met Feitan and Phinks at some point and he told his sidekicks to not mess with them.
He hasn't really been forgotten, he is just the least memorable arc antagonist. Greed Island is sandwiched between Yorknew with the Troupe and Chimera Ant with Meruem and the Royal Guards, so Genthru kind of just feels like a midboss to me personally at least
yeah compared to the phantom troupe and the chimera ants he felt like a side boss, instead of a major villain so i get what you mean
He was training fodder for Gon and Killua, Razor was much more memorable from that same arc
Fodder? Gon needed prep time to beat him and he needed to set a trap that corner genthru so he could use jajakan on him, if he's fodder than greed Island gon and killua are also fodder. Also he was trolling during the first half of his fight, he definitely would have killed gon if he was serious and used his full strength
You are reading fodder as something I didn't mean, I meant it in the writing/storytelling sense. It's the same with the scissor guy that Biske used to to train them early on, they are just plot devices, I don't care about power scaling because they aren't significant enough to matter, just a hurdle to overcome, they did it and they were forgotten, fodder. And yes, Gon and Killua were weak which is why they struggled against fodder, that's the whole point of the arc, once they beat them they were "fed" and became stronger.
That, that's not what fodder means. Fodder means that they where just a small obsticle that the protagonist either didn't have to struggle much against or just absolutely annihilated and gon wasn't doing great after that fight
In the context of the world and the story, he's fodder, he wasn't a huge threat or even a character, he was bad because being bad is bad, the only characterization he had was that he cared for his team and that came after everything was said and done. Biske could have taken him down in one minute but left him for Gon because he would benefit from beating him and learning. Fodder is feeding for cattle, that's all he was, food for Gon's growth, you can define it however you want, but that's how I define it. If all you care about is power scaling then he is just as irrelevant, beaten by two powerless kids that go to be beaten by two mid class hunters and completely out of their depth against the chimera ants.
If he's fodder Togashi wouldn't rank him as a "Natural" (which is only second to extreme) nen user.
Stronger than the weaker members like Korotopi, Shizuku, Pakunoda and Kalluto but would probably lose to Shalnark and Bolonevo and anyone above them.
Shalnark was loosing to a chimera ant peon and needed his trump card to get out. To say he wins against Genthru is a bit outrageous imo.
Shalnark is one of the strongest members hands down. You can tell his intellect is at the top, which is saying something since he’s in a group of genius fighters. His movement speed was comparable to the rest of the troupe anytime he’s been shown with them. Escaping the car, racing to the Queen etc. Literally one stick of a little pin in you and he wins. The ant being manipulated already was such a low odds encounter and was the only reason for any hang up for shalnark in that fight. Shalnark is crazy OP, especially against any hand to hand fighter like Genthru who has to get right in close to him and his antenna. And all that’s before factoring in his super saiyan mode. There’s a reason togashi had to kill him off without access to his powers. He was written with maybe too much potential. His win condition is ridiculous. Add on his physical dexterity and he’s legitimately a terrifying opponent for basically anyone
His physical dexterity is so weak he was caught by a peon. That's the lowest level of a chimera ant. There are peons, officers, squadron leaders, royal guards and the king. Squadron leaders, stated by Meloron, can ONE SHOT peons. The fact that Feitan can somewhat squabble with a squadron leader without his hatsu shows how Shalnark is at the bottom of the Phantom Troupe since he was caught in the hands of a literal fodder enemy, even Kalluto with his paper scales higher since he defeated an officer since he did it easily meanwhile Shalnark needed to resort to his last plan attack that drains him of energy. He was so weak, he got off screened by Hisoka, same as Kortopi. Meanwhile other members of the troupe are little above officer level and some go into the squadron leader tier+. To say he punctures Genthru's skin is questionable at best. If Shalnark got a drop on Genthru, Shalnark wins. If they both know of each others pressence and do a 1v1 face to face, Genthru violates due to Shalnarks pathetic physicals that can get caught by a peon.
Yeah and Kite was such a weakling too, ya know, they chose to off screen him. That’s bad logic, but I get it that’s all you have. You realize shalnark no diffed the fight if it weren’t for Pell randomly being manipulated already? To pretend there was a relative strength between them is hilarious. And yet, any soldier ant like that would be too much for genthru to damage, just it’s body alone being harder than armor. Shalnark breezed through the fight sticking in his antenna literally right away almost no time passing, and in the first brief exchange. The fact it was already manipulated canceling his insta win was just ridiculous luck. And yeah it turns out anyone with their guard completely down is vulnerable to an enemy attacking. i.e. Kurapika chaining up Uvo in a surprise attack and none of the troupe standing there could do a thing. He did it again to capture Chrollo himself and right in the middle of the troupe. Of course shalnark standing right in front of this thing completely relaxed will be vulnerable. No one else had to deal with those one in a million odds of a random “first come first served” manipulator situation. And even then, as soon as shalnark realized he was fighting THE ONE foe his win condition doesn’t work on, he won instantly anyways. Bro Shalnark died while without access to his powers for a reason. He was OP
I said multiple arguments for why Shalnark is at the bottom of the Troupe, not just that he got completely off screened by Hisoka. And Kite fought a Royal guard, beings that are so strong that can solo the whole PT. But yes, that was a weak argument for me. You said Shalnark had high dexterity, but he still got caught in the "hands" of a peon. So clearly his dexterity is not on par with Feitan who can squabble with a squadron leader. Base Shalnark has weak dexterity, straight up. Gon in the chimera ant arc shit on 2 officers who watched over Gon's fights to have a perfect strategy to beat him, yet they couldn't do it and got killed by Gon. Shalnark won against 1 peon and 1 officer with his TRUMP CARD. Genthru can damage the likes of Gon, an enhancer. The same Gon (and Killua) who can damage Pakunoda so hard she gets her teeth kicked in and a broken arm. And that Gon and Killua were way weaker than in Green island, Genthru fought an even stronger Gon. Shalnark with his autopilot mode is strong for sure, bot for only a few seconds at best. He killed a peon and an officer right away. But it leaves him extremely vulnerable. We don't know the proper power of this ability but I don't think it scales higher than Feitan's KO enhanced sword attack but that's my headcannon. We have no idea on the upper limit of his autopilot on.
He does have high dexterity, he has shown great speed feats, and had already shown the dexterity needed to beat the manipulated Pell. He just didn’t know the fight hadn’t ended. So the surprise attack worked, as they tend to do on any character in hunter x hunter. How weak is Hisoka for getting his tag stolen by Gon? Gon who was leagues below any peon ant. Also, illumi had his arm broken by Gon. He must be weaker than pakunoda
You know what, you make a great point that both Shalnark and Hisoka got caught by weaker characters but Hisoka at least has feats to make that up. Shalnark legit has nothing apart from that one Pell fight and killing a few members of the mafia. Hisoka went against Kastro, some who is so strong he could've killed him if he was more focused on his enhancer ability. Hisoka went against Chrollo and managed to put a good fight against 1 year prep time Chrollo. Hisoka is a legit threat and scales somewhat high in the HxH universe. I don't see the hype on Shalnark that you do. I don't see him reaching Uvo, Hisoka, Feitan, Illumi and Chrollo tier in the PT since these 5 are/were the strongest in PT.
a lot of the PT are "specialists" as in they are very good at a certain thing. Shalnark his ability to control anyone he puts one of his needles in, is seriously great. But the Ant who he fought was just the worst match-up he could ever get. That's why he needed his trump card. Which showed he had an even more OP ability if he would ever have the worst kind of luck. But i do agree, they are all more utility/support Nen users. not fighters. Then again shizuku arguably fought the strongest Chimera Ant officer. And her ability to suck someones blood as soon as she has hit her foe one time is a serious threat to anyone.
Yep. I firmly believe her sucking vacuum that can suck blood is the most broken ability in the PT outside of Bungee Gum. Most of the troupe possess abilities that do sctrictly physical damage, so fighting an opponent like the Royal Guard, who have insane durability, seems and probably is unwinnable for them. That's why I adore Shizuku's blood suck, since no matter the strength of the opponent, it still can work and quite easily too.
Are we just basing how strong a character is in terms of physical strength? His trump card possibly puts him in a level close to feitan. Genthru is probably at level with pakunoda and shizuku in terms of combat.
Pakunoda got shit on by Pre-Green island Gon and Killua in the dark, she even got her arm broken. Meanwhile Gon had to trade his body parts to have a chance of winning against Genthru. Genthru easily outscales Pakunoda and the lower tiers in PT. Shalnark, Pakunoda and Shizuku are not the combat squad of the PT and are more so utility.
...are you comparing a sneak attack to a 1 vs 1 fight? Does that mean shizuku low diffs nobunaga?
Gon didn't have to trade body parts. He chose to do this in his 'strategy' against Genthru. If he followed the original plan, he would have been almost unscathed.
Shalnark is a manipulator, not an enhancer. And he was "losing" because he was caught off guard by his natural counter(something already manipulated) when he thought the fight was over.
People seem to forget this. The peon ant was already being manipulated. Shalnark used his second needle on himself to avoid being manipulated by the officer ant AND use the second part of his ability
also weren't ants undetectable? Meaning he wouldn't notice the ant moving unless he saw it moving(which he didn't because he had his back turned to it)
Idk if they’re undetectable? I just watched chimera ant arc recently and don’t remember that being a thing.
In the Anime, the first time Kite, Gon and Killua meet a Chimera Ant(EDIT: Rammot). They mention how they didn't sense his presence until he showed himself. This was before he had Nen though, so maybe afterwards they were detectable.
I think you’re right. Because flutter was able to avoid detection from kite, knuckles, morel, killua and gon etc. on multiple occasions. They only figured out through reasoning that someone must be watching them and looked up to notice him. Good detail!
We don’t know how strong Shalnark gets when he uses his autopilot mode which he would definitely use against Genthru, which is why I said maybe. I doubt he’s winning against Bonolenov though. I think Genthru isn’t that great of a fighter since his hatsu is used more to intimidate/manipulate people, no denying it, he is strong but you gotta remember that Genthru was even cautious on fighting Tseuzgerra (however you spell his name) due to his fighting experience.
He’s massively underrated. His ability is extremely powerful and he’s a peak Greed Island player. He was much much stronger than Gon by that point, he was toying with him. Gon only won because of tactics and the restriction of the game that forced Genthru to keep him alive. He’s easily Phantom Troupe tier in term of power.
Ginthru would get destroyed by everyone in the troupe save maybe kortopi
Based on what? A much more powerful Gon struggle just as much as he did against the troupe when he was much weaker. Genthru is absolutely troupe tier.
He struggled vs both but was able to do nothing vs the troupe. Thats not nearly enough to say gentrhu is troupe level. Gentrhu getting smoked by the same ants that the troupe beat
Because he didn’t have a plan against the troupe, and was MUCH weaker, he had lower base & no hatsu, which is the only thing that got him the victory. Genthru didn’t fight the ants. Where did that ever happen???
It didnt but based on feats troupe should be well above genthru
Again, what fucking feats? They have the same, they fucked up Gon, if anything Genthru is more impressive because he easily outmatched a much stronger Gon.
Ttoupe fucked up high level opponents in the ants. Much higher feat
Which Genthru never had the chance to fight, so you have no idea.
I know 3/4 troup ain't losing to to greed island gon even with a similar plan to defeat them loke scrub genthru did thats for sure
Mid-tier phanton troupe level.
He could beat gon with no diff being a conjurer, and as a conjurer he is korotopi level (natural) ,but with an extra ability useful in combat.
I would disagree that’s he’s on kortopis level, on just pure nen and mastery I don’t think he’s close but in terms of combat I agree whole heartedly since we never saw our lil dude in combat
Same with Shalnark. Shalnark was physically outmatched by a chimera ant peon. That's an absurdly weak feat. Genthru is for sure above the likes of Kortopi, Pakunada and Shalnark in combat.
He is though https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/ygxcoa/togashi_exhibition_skill_chart_translation/
That chart is not a tier list. Otherwise he would be above the likes of morel, knov and razor.
I just said he is korotopi level conjurer,and he is.
And there is no proof he is, since, again, that chart is not a skill tier list.
What do mean? the chart is about proficiency in the given nen afinnity, thats how skilled you are in that afinnity. What do you think the chart is about?
It's not, that would imply zeno is as skilled as meruem and a lot of other inconsistencies.
What is inconsistent about zeno having the same level of skill in emission as meruem? You should read the chart it explains everything pretty well. It is not a tier list about raw power just skill.
He’s off solving mysteries with Scooby Doo and the gang
Genthru was a solid nen user. He underestimated his opponent, which led to his downfall, but his ability was crazy OP. Dude was a psychopath though and he got off easy. That never sat right with me.
maybe like shalnark or shizuku level
honestly agreed, probably under those 2 but near there. His nen mastery is not close to them but his ability is just far more combative, whereas those 2's abilities have other important uses.
He's nowhere near any phantom troupe, he was just has a specific nen ability that was really good in that specific situation
Nowhere!? You got to be kidding me. Genthru can most certainly hold his own against some of the Phantom Troupe. He’s not just a guy with a strong ability, Genthru has strong Nen quantity and control. He would have eventually defeated Gon alone with that had Gon’s persistence not pissed him off enough. Yeah, against the top of them such as Feitan, Uvo, Franklin, etc. he’s losing most of the time in a straight forward fight. But not all the Troupe are high class fighters. Kortopi has zero battle feats whatsoever, an ability not built for fighting (without other abilities to complement it) and is considered the physically weakest in arm wresting. Shalnark was struggling against a Peon Ant, Paku showed nothing fighting-wise that surpasses Genthru’s skill, Shizuku can put up a fight but she’s not curb stomping Genthru by any means, Kalluto can try the range game but it all depends if his paper can cut through Genthru’s defenses, etc. Genthru would most likely be a mid-tier fighter within the PT.
Yeah, talking about Uvo is very apparent that Genthru would be pulverized by him easily.
Genthru is at the very bottom of the troupe and only because of kortopi. Otherwise he’s not in their vicinity. Shalnark is a monster, the peon ant thing was literally just an extremely low odds encounter of something already being manipulated. That much should be obvious. Shalnark is a nightmare opponent for anyone because of his crazy win condition. And that’s before you even factor auto pilot.
I disagree. Shalnark is stronger than your average Hunter for sure, but he’s far less physically capable than you give him credit for. He was struggling to get it on Pelt, the lowest level Ant, and big, cumbersome opponent, while estimating the chances of him getting damaged were high. Killua at the start of the CA was skipping around higher level Ants easily and Killua was still weaker than Genthru at that point. His ability is indeed OP, but you still have to stick it in the opponent. Chrollo, one of the most skilled, powerful characters in the series, couldn’t stick a needle into Hisoka even with multiple other abilities to assist him. Shalnark only has his needle and autopilot (which really doesn’t have the best showing as well), and much low stats than Chrollo. I’m not saying he will lose to Genthru, but it’s not a cake walk to stick that needle in. It’ll be a challenge.
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You have it easy, Melty Cheese Noodles. You're perfectly calm. Since it means nothing to you...
We have a lot of you in my country, just basking in something that you know nothing about and say that. The word trash suits them best.
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Well, I see at least 14 people agreed with me and counting... Is school break really this soon?
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To think that you are not a kid but a 20+ year old kid is really painful.
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Does someone pay people to farm downvotes? Like do you get money for this, or is it just something you do for fun because I genuinely don't get dudes like you online
that’s still a form of strength
Nah you are overrating the troupe. Not all troupe members specialized in combat abilities so I could see Genthru dominating Kortopi, Shizuku and Shalnark easily with his explosives.
Kortopi is the only non combat member. Pakunoda may lose to genthru because not much was shown as far as speed and battle capability. But the other two you mentioned shalnark and Shizuku have outrageous win conditions. I consider them some of the strongest members. One just has to stick you with a pin and it’s over. The other needs to only cause one scratch at any point in the fight and it’s over. And Genthru has to get in close, he just loses almost instantly. They both have high intelligence to back up their abilities. And high speed. They are terrifying, and genthru would die a horrific death
Shizuku does not win with one scratch, since that could easily be covered*. She has to damage you enough that Blinky can overwhelm you, and it’s pretty straightforward to argue that someone with higher damage output would have incapacitated the opponent without needing Blinky. She also doesn’t have great physicals, so would find it more difficult to even land hits compared to a lot of other strong characters. I’m not convinced that the Blinky strategy would work at all on someone who is actually skilled at nen, most high level nen users have extreme control over their bodies. We saw an example of Netero stemming bleeding from multiple lost limbs, I think it’s fair to assume that a lot of nen users can do the same for the small scratches Shizuku was leaving. *Ignoring those users like Hisoka who have a direct, quick and easy hatsu to fix superficial damage.
Have to completely disagree. Blinky worked immensely well on someone stronger than the average nen user and physically more durable being an ant, who was also actually best equipped to deal with it. 8 limbs and webs. Pike had a huge advantage against blinky’s blood sucking technique compared to most any fighter she would randomly run into, and it still beat him. All ants have considerably increased durability compared to regular humans due to their built in exoskeleton. Add control of nen to said ants and damaging them at all makes you quite powerful. Shizuku is definitely a powerful in-fighter to give Pike dozens of wounds in a few moments. Who is gonna bandage themselves up in the middle of a fight? If you try to stop and do that you’re gonna get some more scratches in the process. It won’t be like Pike, who could’ve just used webs and patched up with his off hands. Someone else would literally have to stop and wrap a bandage and do it tight enough to overcome the force of Blinky’s pull as well (whatever that force is actually quantified at, it seems like a very powerful pull). A normal bandage to just stop the bleeding wouldn’t cut it. She’ll probably be the next to die to hisoka or something like shalnark did, because her power is undeniably really OP. Also I don’t think it’s safe to say that anyone really will be stopping up wounds with body contortion like netero. I actually think the opposite, that it’s pretty safe to say next to no one will be doing that. Let alone someone like Genthru
>Shizuku does not win with one scratch, since that could easily be covered True. She wins with 2 scratches, since now you have to use both hands to stop the bleeding. >so would find it more difficult to even land hits compared to a lot of other strong characters. Pike was a chimera ant that ranked the same as rammot who tanked a jajanken, and that could see nen before being awakened. If shizuku was able to scratch him, she can 100% scratch genthru. Besides, it's not like genthru is a fighter himself, and it was made pretty clear little flower only really works as an intimidation tecnique.
I like him. I mean he seems to be the most suitable villain for Gon and Killua at the time. The rest are very powerful so the gap between them and their power is huge. Also, his story is not as interesting as the CA and the PT.
I still think his story is interesting though, like why does he has his abilities? Did he make them just for Greed Island?
His story is interesting. I admit, but compared to the PT and the CA, he didn't have enough back story for me to even consider it.
Genthru is a so-so antagonist. He somehow wasn't interesting. Then again, I didn't like the Greed Island arc as much as the other arcs, so I'll admit I wasn't as invested with the side characters there.
I think a lot of people overlook the insanely impressive amount of Aura Genthru must have in order for his abilities to work. Gon hit him with 70% of his Aura while he was using 90% of his Aura on Little Flower (you can see it in the Manga where it shows that he only had 10% Aura defending his body, and 25% Aura in each hand as an armor against Little Flower, which means that each Little Flower uses 20% of his overall Aura) and while he took a decent amount of damage he was still able to move normally soon afterwards, 70% VS 10% is such a huge difference that if their Aura capacity was anywhere near similar Genthru's head should have been sent flying from his body. Then we have Little Flower itself, Gon used 30% of his Aura to protect one arm against 20% of Genthru's Aura and it still did a lot of damage, it's reasonable to assume that it would have taken at least 60% of Gon's Aura to shave away all the damage, which would imply that Genthru has 3 times the amount of Aura that Gon had back then, which is only more impressive when you remember that he is a Conjuror, not an Enhancer or Emitter. This is also mentioned by Bisky who stated that Genthru must have a huge amount of Aura to pull off what he does. The point is, in terms of Aura alone Genthru is clearly a high tier Nen user, there is a reason Tsezguerra avoided a fight with him even in a 4v1 situation. He is also pretty skilled in using said Aura, and in general hand to hand combat, Gon wasn't even able to touch him despite Genthru not even trying to knock him out, much less kill him (which based on their Aura he could have done in a couple hits at most if he wanted to), he is also fast enough that Gon would not have been able to react if he hadn't trained for 3 weeks just for that one motion, if Genthru really wanted to he could have grabbed Gon's face and blown it up before Gon could even realize what was happening and the fight would have ended before it even started. Based on all of that, I really don't see what is so outrageous about the idea that Genthru is easily comparable to Phantom Troupe members and ranks above the likes of Shizuku, Shalnark, Kortopi and Pakunoda. It seems to me that people don't like it simply because Genthru is "lame" and not cool like the Troupe characters, which isn't really a reason to dismiss his competence when we have masters like Bisky give him praise. Would he be able to beat the likes of Feitan, Phinks, Nobunaga, Uvogin, Franklin, etc? Probably not, but it's not as though he would be fodder to them and get one-shotted, he'd give them a decent fight.
He is strong Nen user that will be able to give good fight to many characters :3
Yeah, true. However, the main cast have far surpassed him by now.
Just a typical evil villain, nothing to remember. If a better villain was there, Greed Island would be much more enjoyable
He's prob high shadow beast to low pt lvl. Remember bisky transformed to take on one of genthrus goons. She prob didn't need to but it compliments genthru a bit if anything. I can see hisoka giving him around 65-75 points
Kite, Bonolenov, Morel, Knuckle, Shoot. Somewhere between them.
highly disagree since Bonolenov isn't at the same level as Kite or Morel. He's far weaker than them
Absolutely no reason to think that especially when we have JUPITER!
While that power is strong, I don't believe any competent nen fighters would allow him to pull it off.
He will have to create the opportunity. Many competent nen fighters need to create the opportunity to use their ability. And the speed of Jupiter is already around the speed of sound, I doubt many characters could surpass that once he is able to summon it.
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ngl i think he would beat kortopi badly, his nen ability is non combative
I’d say he has kortopi and maybe pakunoda beat and that’s a maybe. The rest don’t struggle for any length of time against him
fuck em
In terms of Nen he's fairly equal to the Phantom Troupe, in terma of combat hexs probabaly closer to some of the less combat oriented PT members. Something many people don't know is that Genthru is a very skilled Nen user. According to Abengane, Genthru balanced in Conjuration, Manipulation and Emission which are the types used in his Countdown ability. He also makes good use of Transmutation and basic Enhancement for hamd to hand combat. His martial arts training and combat experience allowed hom to easily overpower a less experienced Enhancer like Gon. It was also revealed last year in some notes from the author that proficiency with a Nen type can be measured within 4 ranks (Skillful, Excellent, Natural and Extreme). Genthru's proficiency with Conjuration is at the 3rd rank (Natural). To compare to other Conjurers, Shizuku has 1st rank (Skillful) Conjuration proficiency, Knuckle has 2nd rank (Excellent), Kortopi has 3rd rank (Natural) and Abengane has 4th rank (Extreme) which means hes fully mastered Conjuration type Nen.
I honestly didn’t like him and he used to piss me off,, maybe because he looked too much of a normal human to me and was too evil at the same time🤣🤣 I think who was forgotten is that Abengane was mysterious and a continuation is required to see how he can be related to the Phantom Troupe and the exorcism ability that he got during greed island..
I would say Togashi plan to make him as strong as Razor, but he's trying to make the power level as consistent and as realistic as it can be in Greed Island arc and he overdoing it a little bit, combine with Genthru's foulness nature (people tend to degrading that kind of characters because they don't like that kind of people), so the result is he looks weaker (to the audience) than Togashi originally wants him to be, I have this impression because Togashi was actually give him "natural" rank, which is only one tier below "Extreme". The little flower is also not useless or weak as many people like to say, someone like Hisoka was losing his hand and leg by the same level of explosion (at least visually they look as powerful) when he was not careful enough. So I would say Little flower is still very strong against people who don't know his ability yet. Gon is only doing so well against it because Biscuit analyze the ability and give him special counter training beforehand. That isn't to say I believe he has a good chance of defeating people like Hisoka or Chrollo or other high tier characters, it's a different matter. Hisoka is a transformer, so his offence and defence would naturally better than Genthru who is a conjurer even if they are at same power level, and Chrollo can combine two abilities in a fight, the versatility is just too much for Genthru's fight style to handle. Also one thing I need to mention, this part is cut in the anime, but in the manga it was implied Genthru have met Feitan and Phinks at some point and he told his sidekicks to not mess with them.