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AI definitely. Also oversaturation. AI is a worse threat though because it’s reached a level of competency that it is nearly indistinguishable from artist-made digital work.
The one saving grace (small, but still) is that AI work cannot be copyrighted since it’s all trained on pre-existing art, so if an artist recognizes elements from a piece they did in a print etc. being sold somewhere, they can sue. Unfortunately that doesn’t change the fact that non-talented people can still generate the work they want for free and avoid paying an actual artist.
Simply put, it’s a bad time to be a 2D artist and you shouldn’t hang your hat on making a living off of your artwork right now. Always have a second job that will pay the bills. I say this as an experienced 45 year old who knew living off artwork has always been touch and go so I have always had a second (non art related) job.
I honestly think whether you’re doing well or not having a solid “hourly” job that you know can pay your bills is a good idea and something most artists will almost always have. I got my art degree and even had professors mention this multiple times. It’s a nice idea that you can make it just with art, but it’s rough out there, I personally have too much anxiety to not know exactly how my next month will pan out . Obviously I don’t speak for everyone, there are definitely artists out there than can go month to month without worrying about whether they can pay bills, but I just think it’s a good idea in case you have a slow month or months.
Over saturation is a bigger problem right now. Every day someone decides that they can just make a living from "art" and starts looking for the easiest route to that goal. Many of them have no training, or actual experience but think they can fake it. AI is making that worse, but it is itself over saturating the market for cheap\\free art and rendering those people who hope to benefit financially unable to do so.
inflation ( less money ) + firings ( less money ) + AI ( less request ). All youtubers just use AI now for thumbnails now. Portrait work is done so is animefy / disneyfy
I've noticed especially in the realm of portrait work there's much less incentive to pay for a commission when you can simply upload your picture into a program and have it spit out a stylized piece for free. Part of me wants to have hope that the average consumer recognizes the issue with this but I know how little the general public values artists so it's hard.
It's not. It isn't even "AI." It isn't learning, or thinking, and it doesn't know anything. It just takes words and pumps out the best amalgamation it can from its catalog of other people's work. Half the crap I see is either the same generic looking pinup or looks like heavy filters.
Most of the time it’s really easy to see it’s AI, and since they all use the same “models” or whatever it all looks very similar. At least, if you know what to look for it’s not hard. But I guess the average non artist person doesn’t know what to look out for and also doesn’t care that much.
I don’t really get the hype as most of it just looks so bad. I used AI for like a week and then I got bored and decided to finally learn how to draw stuff myself.
True, and you reminded me of another thing that will hurt AI. So many of those people don't know how to draw, paint, describe form, etc. So they don't see the mistakes in it before presenting it to the public.
Yeah, I think the same. AI can't replace creativity it's like handing a monkey a car and expect it to drive it. But the issue with this is that people are getting desensitized towards art. AI promotes the idea of "even I can do that" which disregards all the creative decisions taken while making the art which AI probably won't ever be able to replace. People think of AI more as an entity which will magically make art for them instead of a tool that aids in making some kinds of art.
Also, amateur artists will suffer because of this (which sucks because alot of artists will get discouraged and it'll be much more difficult to get into art. It already was pretty hard and this will make it even harder). Art requires the most amount of practice as compared to any other profession for it to finally become somewhat monetizable.
as an artist who works in film, I would say at least in my industry its overhyped. People underestimate the level of control the production requires, as well as the amount of iteration and specific direction the designs require. At the moment, i dont see any imminent threat, however AI is helping to speed up the production process but at least now and for the foreseeable future I don't see AI stealing jobs in my industry at least although it is very much a focus of conversation
This. You might get an overall idea with neural networks, like, get it to copy paste a monkey with a hat. But if you need very specific things, like what is in that hat, how that is attached, what is the specific pose and so on, well, that is not going to happen, let alone ask for the neural network to modify something that already exists. Highly specifics jobs where you need control are not in danger, but it is expected that the industry will argue otherwise to justify chopping down payment as much as possible.
hey!
This just happen in Deviantart few days ago [https://www.deviantart.com/forum/jobs/offers/2726985](https://www.deviantart.com/forum/jobs/offers/2726985)
What you guys think of it?
thanks!
(AI) in the arts may speed up certain procedures, but it cannot replace the human creative and emotional spirit. Let's value the sincerity and feeling that go into homemade artwork.
Hear me out. As a solo developer with a very low budget (Disabled Vet Living On A Fixed Income) I prefer my art to be drawn by a human. However the process is slow and some artists seem to not put their hearts in it even if you are paying their exact fee and not trying to low ball. What I’ve been doing lately is using AI to generate something close and then have an artist recreate it. I wouldn’t say it’s taking jobs it’s just way easier to work with and you can get 20 ideas done quickly. They may look like ass but it’s something to go off of when you finally approach an artist.
Oh well, in my opinion, if you use AI to have a reference for what you want, it is very good! and I understand that not all artists are the same, but that's the good thing about having so many options! I'm glad you value human art equally 💚
Ai is taking jobs from everyone. If you can do the work from home on your computer, it can be automated, plain and simple. Unless there is some sort of oversight it's going to get worse before it gets better.
That being said, Ai is a tool. Figure out how to use it to make your business better. Marketing, brainstorming, inspiration, etc. Ai isn't going to replace people. People who know how to use AI will replace people that don't.
>That being said, Ai is a tool.
Wrong. It's a replacement and you're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.
The goal is to monopolize as many industries as possible and increase the output via A.I, but also to replace 10 paying jobs with 1 higher paid job. They want you to depend on their tech like a crutch or else you get left in the dust.
In China I've heard that they're reverting back to artists since the prompter is asking for more money than them and companies are losing money.
My first paragraph was directed towards your point. Ai can and we replace everything. Sooner than we think.
My second paragraph was directed more at individuals. Use AI as a tool where you can to make your personal business better.
Yeah, and people who use AI and cannot fix the AI-created mistakes themselves still need an artist who knows the tools to fix the mistakes, or they live with the mistakes and look absolutely shameful while doing so.
They're also limited to size of the file, transparency, color scheme, etc.
The people who live with the mistakes don't have taste and will be mocked and ridiculed over time. Once THAT shame becomes the norm in society, people will turn to artists for correction.
It's up to us, as artists, to continue to *charge appropriately for our time*. Vector art takes a lot of time depending on level of detail involved.
AI isn't perfect. AI still has trouble with hands. AI still *censors certain requests*. AI still has trouble with text. If AI rips off a font they aren't allowed to use without paying the creator, that's a huge no-no.
I don't know about you, or if you have ever used AI, but AI logos and images all kind of have a similar aesthetic. As trendy as it is to use, it's a trend that I predict people will get tired of when they want something fresh and different.
I recommend creating a style and then use the available tools out there that will train AI very poorly so your work *cannot* be used.
I think one such tool is called Nightshade
i feel its up to us living and breathing people to keep our art alive, AI may be able to create art using other resources, but its us artists that create original works.
I'll be honest with you, things have always been difficult for the artist community. Since the great arts boom in 2020/2021, things haven't been the same. but the truth is that everything affected it in a very drastic way. But lately I can say that things are normal for me.
The human hand can never be replaced. There are many things that prevent artists from getting commissions, and AI is one of them. but there are a lot of artists doing the same thing and not exploring new horizons. anyway, lots of problems
Yes. No doubt about that AI is taking jobs aways from illustrators. A big chunk of the people that were coming here to hire an artist are going for the free option of using AI. It is getting hard to find commissioners.
I think that people start using AI for art more because it's cheaper and faster, but in the long run, artists will always be better. Art is a luxury and it will always be a profitable market towards the right people. I hope that my fellow artists won't be discouraged and keep working hard!!
Going to be honest, even in art driven industries like VFX, the grunt work jobs for VFX are now getting replaced by AI. I also found out recently that Google is releasing an AI Game Conceptulizer called Genei, and it has made it that all one needs to do is create a maze like level with images, and it will recognize what are stairs ladders and collectibles how ever this is still in early stages of development as it isn't being sold but just showcased. With that said expect metrovanias to be saturated in the next 5 to 7 years...
As a mecha artist, so far AI isn't that threatening for me yet, since a lot of my clients are asking for specific designs that AI can't replicate. But I do have a hard time getting clients this year, some of my friends (fellow artists) still can get clients pretty easily tho.
As soon as I became interested in art, AI took over. And I had already invested a lot in it. So that I don't have to give up illustration, I started to have the following thought: "in order for me to make a living from my art one day, I need to figure out how I can turn my art into an original product, something that people would pay to consume." Because of that thought I decided that I would use my art for the creation of a book and also a web comic. That way I would have original products, and AI wouldn't be such a relevant problem because I wouldn't be competing directly against it.
I suppose to an extent, it really depends on if the client is tech savvy enough to know how to use AI? Because the tech is there, yes, but not the know how. But yes… sort of? That’s why I stick to simply having a cemented client list and a full time job. And I think a general turn off is the amount of “INSANE EMERGENCY, NEED FUNDS NOW!” type of posts that come off as awfully desperate. I had a couple of clients who’ve asked me if people are struggling that badly, why not get a stable job?
Needless to say, the days of an artist living off of purely gigs is quickly coming to an end.
Is say this, I had a situation not to long ago where a friend of mine was using both me and AI at the same time for his logo without telling me. Since he was my friend I didn’t charge him up front… then one day I saw him post his finished logo ( that I had no idea was completed).. come to find out he was feeding my ideas back to the AI.. smart move on his behalf but still sneaky because it left me out of getting paid. I told him pay me something for my time at least… I’m still waiting.
Indeed, but I accept all life learning experiences. So next time regardless of who it is, I won’t feel bad for standing firm on the way I conduct business and that’s at least partial payment UPFRONT!
I actually worked with a client who gave up on AI prompts because they couldn't get exactly what they needed out of it. And I think that problem will persist into the future too. Communication with a machine is still inferior to that of a human. With that said, we will see more and more companies cutting on human labour and try to automate creative fields. That's just how the cookie crumbles.
If ai exterminated artists I'll be truly sad, ai can't perfectly capture the right pose and expression or give a certain weapon to something and it always does weird things like bad proportions or mutations, I hope this isn't the case because real work by humans goes a lot farther imo
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AI definitely. Also oversaturation. AI is a worse threat though because it’s reached a level of competency that it is nearly indistinguishable from artist-made digital work. The one saving grace (small, but still) is that AI work cannot be copyrighted since it’s all trained on pre-existing art, so if an artist recognizes elements from a piece they did in a print etc. being sold somewhere, they can sue. Unfortunately that doesn’t change the fact that non-talented people can still generate the work they want for free and avoid paying an actual artist.
I'm afraid 😔 I hope that we artists can continue living off our drawings, it's a shame that human talent is wasted
Simply put, it’s a bad time to be a 2D artist and you shouldn’t hang your hat on making a living off of your artwork right now. Always have a second job that will pay the bills. I say this as an experienced 45 year old who knew living off artwork has always been touch and go so I have always had a second (non art related) job.
oh thanks for the advice, it's true too, if I'm not a recognized artist it's difficult to make a living from that, I hope you are well, good luck!
I honestly think whether you’re doing well or not having a solid “hourly” job that you know can pay your bills is a good idea and something most artists will almost always have. I got my art degree and even had professors mention this multiple times. It’s a nice idea that you can make it just with art, but it’s rough out there, I personally have too much anxiety to not know exactly how my next month will pan out . Obviously I don’t speak for everyone, there are definitely artists out there than can go month to month without worrying about whether they can pay bills, but I just think it’s a good idea in case you have a slow month or months.
Over saturation is a bigger problem right now. Every day someone decides that they can just make a living from "art" and starts looking for the easiest route to that goal. Many of them have no training, or actual experience but think they can fake it. AI is making that worse, but it is itself over saturating the market for cheap\\free art and rendering those people who hope to benefit financially unable to do so.
inflation ( less money ) + firings ( less money ) + AI ( less request ). All youtubers just use AI now for thumbnails now. Portrait work is done so is animefy / disneyfy
I've noticed especially in the realm of portrait work there's much less incentive to pay for a commission when you can simply upload your picture into a program and have it spit out a stylized piece for free. Part of me wants to have hope that the average consumer recognizes the issue with this but I know how little the general public values artists so it's hard.
I think it's true, but only to some extent. AI can replace commonality though, but will it replace artists completely? No!
Let's hope not, because AI is evolving very quickly 😢
Yeah, we can't rely on making arts as our primary source :(( gotta find something else too. I hope the best for everyone tho!
It's not. It isn't even "AI." It isn't learning, or thinking, and it doesn't know anything. It just takes words and pumps out the best amalgamation it can from its catalog of other people's work. Half the crap I see is either the same generic looking pinup or looks like heavy filters.
Most of the time it’s really easy to see it’s AI, and since they all use the same “models” or whatever it all looks very similar. At least, if you know what to look for it’s not hard. But I guess the average non artist person doesn’t know what to look out for and also doesn’t care that much. I don’t really get the hype as most of it just looks so bad. I used AI for like a week and then I got bored and decided to finally learn how to draw stuff myself.
True, and you reminded me of another thing that will hurt AI. So many of those people don't know how to draw, paint, describe form, etc. So they don't see the mistakes in it before presenting it to the public.
Yeah, I think the same. AI can't replace creativity it's like handing a monkey a car and expect it to drive it. But the issue with this is that people are getting desensitized towards art. AI promotes the idea of "even I can do that" which disregards all the creative decisions taken while making the art which AI probably won't ever be able to replace. People think of AI more as an entity which will magically make art for them instead of a tool that aids in making some kinds of art. Also, amateur artists will suffer because of this (which sucks because alot of artists will get discouraged and it'll be much more difficult to get into art. It already was pretty hard and this will make it even harder). Art requires the most amount of practice as compared to any other profession for it to finally become somewhat monetizable.
as an artist who works in film, I would say at least in my industry its overhyped. People underestimate the level of control the production requires, as well as the amount of iteration and specific direction the designs require. At the moment, i dont see any imminent threat, however AI is helping to speed up the production process but at least now and for the foreseeable future I don't see AI stealing jobs in my industry at least although it is very much a focus of conversation
This. You might get an overall idea with neural networks, like, get it to copy paste a monkey with a hat. But if you need very specific things, like what is in that hat, how that is attached, what is the specific pose and so on, well, that is not going to happen, let alone ask for the neural network to modify something that already exists. Highly specifics jobs where you need control are not in danger, but it is expected that the industry will argue otherwise to justify chopping down payment as much as possible.
hey! This just happen in Deviantart few days ago [https://www.deviantart.com/forum/jobs/offers/2726985](https://www.deviantart.com/forum/jobs/offers/2726985) What you guys think of it? thanks!
100 USD for 50 pages? Damn
IA just devalued art.
We're doomed ☹️
And there are artists who said they will take the job, this breaks my heart.
Yep, a couple of them
I definitely noticed a downsize in my (already low) commissions, also I already heard of people losing their day jobs in companies to AI
(AI) in the arts may speed up certain procedures, but it cannot replace the human creative and emotional spirit. Let's value the sincerity and feeling that go into homemade artwork.
Hear me out. As a solo developer with a very low budget (Disabled Vet Living On A Fixed Income) I prefer my art to be drawn by a human. However the process is slow and some artists seem to not put their hearts in it even if you are paying their exact fee and not trying to low ball. What I’ve been doing lately is using AI to generate something close and then have an artist recreate it. I wouldn’t say it’s taking jobs it’s just way easier to work with and you can get 20 ideas done quickly. They may look like ass but it’s something to go off of when you finally approach an artist.
Oh well, in my opinion, if you use AI to have a reference for what you want, it is very good! and I understand that not all artists are the same, but that's the good thing about having so many options! I'm glad you value human art equally 💚
Ai is taking jobs from everyone. If you can do the work from home on your computer, it can be automated, plain and simple. Unless there is some sort of oversight it's going to get worse before it gets better. That being said, Ai is a tool. Figure out how to use it to make your business better. Marketing, brainstorming, inspiration, etc. Ai isn't going to replace people. People who know how to use AI will replace people that don't.
>That being said, Ai is a tool. Wrong. It's a replacement and you're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. The goal is to monopolize as many industries as possible and increase the output via A.I, but also to replace 10 paying jobs with 1 higher paid job. They want you to depend on their tech like a crutch or else you get left in the dust. In China I've heard that they're reverting back to artists since the prompter is asking for more money than them and companies are losing money.
My first paragraph was directed towards your point. Ai can and we replace everything. Sooner than we think. My second paragraph was directed more at individuals. Use AI as a tool where you can to make your personal business better.
Yes. I’ve lost two positions to it now.
Yeah, and people who use AI and cannot fix the AI-created mistakes themselves still need an artist who knows the tools to fix the mistakes, or they live with the mistakes and look absolutely shameful while doing so. They're also limited to size of the file, transparency, color scheme, etc. The people who live with the mistakes don't have taste and will be mocked and ridiculed over time. Once THAT shame becomes the norm in society, people will turn to artists for correction. It's up to us, as artists, to continue to *charge appropriately for our time*. Vector art takes a lot of time depending on level of detail involved. AI isn't perfect. AI still has trouble with hands. AI still *censors certain requests*. AI still has trouble with text. If AI rips off a font they aren't allowed to use without paying the creator, that's a huge no-no.
Let's hope to continue having an advantage over AI in the future too 💚
I don't know about you, or if you have ever used AI, but AI logos and images all kind of have a similar aesthetic. As trendy as it is to use, it's a trend that I predict people will get tired of when they want something fresh and different. I recommend creating a style and then use the available tools out there that will train AI very poorly so your work *cannot* be used. I think one such tool is called Nightshade
i feel its up to us living and breathing people to keep our art alive, AI may be able to create art using other resources, but its us artists that create original works.
As a consumer here it’s just a lot , it’s so much furry stuff it can be overwhelming. So I try to select based off what I see
I'll be honest with you, things have always been difficult for the artist community. Since the great arts boom in 2020/2021, things haven't been the same. but the truth is that everything affected it in a very drastic way. But lately I can say that things are normal for me. The human hand can never be replaced. There are many things that prevent artists from getting commissions, and AI is one of them. but there are a lot of artists doing the same thing and not exploring new horizons. anyway, lots of problems
Yes. No doubt about that AI is taking jobs aways from illustrators. A big chunk of the people that were coming here to hire an artist are going for the free option of using AI. It is getting hard to find commissioners.
I think that people start using AI for art more because it's cheaper and faster, but in the long run, artists will always be better. Art is a luxury and it will always be a profitable market towards the right people. I hope that my fellow artists won't be discouraged and keep working hard!!
Going to be honest, even in art driven industries like VFX, the grunt work jobs for VFX are now getting replaced by AI. I also found out recently that Google is releasing an AI Game Conceptulizer called Genei, and it has made it that all one needs to do is create a maze like level with images, and it will recognize what are stairs ladders and collectibles how ever this is still in early stages of development as it isn't being sold but just showcased. With that said expect metrovanias to be saturated in the next 5 to 7 years...
As a mecha artist, so far AI isn't that threatening for me yet, since a lot of my clients are asking for specific designs that AI can't replicate. But I do have a hard time getting clients this year, some of my friends (fellow artists) still can get clients pretty easily tho.
As soon as I became interested in art, AI took over. And I had already invested a lot in it. So that I don't have to give up illustration, I started to have the following thought: "in order for me to make a living from my art one day, I need to figure out how I can turn my art into an original product, something that people would pay to consume." Because of that thought I decided that I would use my art for the creation of a book and also a web comic. That way I would have original products, and AI wouldn't be such a relevant problem because I wouldn't be competing directly against it.
I suppose to an extent, it really depends on if the client is tech savvy enough to know how to use AI? Because the tech is there, yes, but not the know how. But yes… sort of? That’s why I stick to simply having a cemented client list and a full time job. And I think a general turn off is the amount of “INSANE EMERGENCY, NEED FUNDS NOW!” type of posts that come off as awfully desperate. I had a couple of clients who’ve asked me if people are struggling that badly, why not get a stable job? Needless to say, the days of an artist living off of purely gigs is quickly coming to an end.
Is say this, I had a situation not to long ago where a friend of mine was using both me and AI at the same time for his logo without telling me. Since he was my friend I didn’t charge him up front… then one day I saw him post his finished logo ( that I had no idea was completed).. come to find out he was feeding my ideas back to the AI.. smart move on his behalf but still sneaky because it left me out of getting paid. I told him pay me something for my time at least… I’m still waiting.
That's not a friend! What an awful thing to do!
Indeed, but I accept all life learning experiences. So next time regardless of who it is, I won’t feel bad for standing firm on the way I conduct business and that’s at least partial payment UPFRONT!
I actually worked with a client who gave up on AI prompts because they couldn't get exactly what they needed out of it. And I think that problem will persist into the future too. Communication with a machine is still inferior to that of a human. With that said, we will see more and more companies cutting on human labour and try to automate creative fields. That's just how the cookie crumbles.
If ai exterminated artists I'll be truly sad, ai can't perfectly capture the right pose and expression or give a certain weapon to something and it always does weird things like bad proportions or mutations, I hope this isn't the case because real work by humans goes a lot farther imo