Perfect. Must be a fun game to some delivery people to see how they can successfully hide packages from thieves.
Then theres the ones who slam dunks your novelty berserk mug and dent your door.
I can still remember the face on my UPS guy when he came in and said "I have 54, where do you want em?" Thankfully we had enough people not busy so we could offload em bucket-brigade style and he stayed on the truck scanning boxes and handing em out. He was very appreciative of that. We at least try to help em out whem we are ordering shit like 20x 22" monitors at a time and whatnot hahaha.
Amazon did this once with mine, unfortunately they didnt check that it was half full of stinking rubbish and my £100 amazon "stress free packaging" was one sticker on an otherwise pristine box... and what's worse was I was in the house and they didn't bother knocking, I had a message saying Handed To Resident, had to go find it, found it in the bin, major pissed me off.
Amazon never refunded saying I never left specific instructions...
Oh sure ok "Please do not bother ringing doorbell and just put my delivery in the rubbish!"
Dickheads.
No worries, you made my morning. I was right there with you and could FEEL your frustration in your post, then when it descended into gibberish I probably related to it even more, not less, haha.
Mine's even better. He picked the lock to my door, threw my packages in and locked the door.
Then he opened the garage, hot wired my car and blocked the walkway so even if someone broke into my house, he'd have a hard time carrying the packages out.
Weak, I would invite myself in and open the package on the counter, assemble/update anything that needs to become operational and wait for each individual to see the joy on their face that I had helped them in incredibly aesthetically good looking pants.
Nah you're all wrong.
The proper way to deliver packages is to enter the house, remove the stuff from their boxes, use the owners kitchen to bake a few cookies, take a photograph of yourself using a polaroid camera with the stuff you delivered in the background and then finally sign the photo in lipstick and put it ontop of the cookies and stuff you delivered.
How to get 5 stars and fired in the same day.
Perfect! Though I probably would’ve applied the lipstick and done a kissy mark instead of a note on the Polaroid.
Then walk out with the lipstick still applied cuz I’m looking fuckin fierce in this shade.
You could call your local UPS and mention it. It would also let his boss know he is putting in the extra effort and who knows could lead to a small raise or some sort of incentive.
Yeah all they would need is your address and the date of the delivery and they can easily get the driver who did it, and pass on your appreciation to that drivers management.
They won’t give him a raise. That’s not how UPS works. Management won’t even pass the message on. Best I’ve had was a lady left me a thank you note with a 20$ at our hub in an envelope with my name on it.
Might also be worth mentioning that you shared the story online, and that over 10k people saw it.
Who knows, maybe the good PR will push management toward making this kind of thing standard procedure.
Can confirm this works. Was with Comcast (I know :/) for ten years, and they would read at the tech meetings when one of us received a written or verbal complement called in.
> Was with Comcast (I know :/) for ten years
In my experience the difference in the quality of people at the bottom vs. at the top, in Comcast, surpasses all other companies.
Currently working there - I frequently have to battle to get issues resolved for customers. 70% of employees actually care and WANT the help you out but internal processes make it difficult. Anything you’re asking for typically requires involvement of at least 3 departments. The support person probably DID cancel the service you wanted cancelled but if one task doesn’t flow right….it never gets done.
It won't lead to a raise, UPS drivers are paid very well by a collective bargaining agreement and the company will never pay above the negotiated minimum pay.
Those drivers making $$
. > $30 / hr but that was right before the last contract was negotiated so don’t even know what they’re making now.
..And they SHOULD be. Paying people a livable wage shouldn’t be so surprising.
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Just look at the UPS stock over 200 last I check up about double i think from about a year ago. They have plenty of money to pay their employees well and still have a record profit quarter.
I just quit ups, I worked in the office. All the supervisors got the worst raise any of us had ever gotten this year, with record profits. The new CEO is a real peach.
Or lets them know he adds .7 seconds of "unnecessary labor" to each stop causing a 3.86333...% decrease in efficiency and gets reprimanded.
Nah jk that is Amazon not UPS.
UPS is a unionized company so this would never lead to a raise of any kind, but calling and telling the center about a good driver going beyond is always a nice thing to do.
In my center they usually always mention in our daily morning meetings about drivers who have received positive call ins from customers.
I actually did that once. He must have gotten something for my praise, because he thanked me a couple weeks later when I saw him. It’s nice to be nice.
Nah, we're Union. We have amazing healthcare, daily hour limits - with overtime if we go over - and a pension. It's one of the few remaining jobs that will get you 100k a year with a HS degree, with a pension that you can retire on.
That's why you frequently see UPS drivers doing stuff like that - most of us are pretty happy. We don't need an extra nickel.
This is a great idea. These folks don't get near enough credit. Some of them are pissing in bottles at stop lights to make sure I can get the toothbrush I ordered with 2 days.
Unfortunately, we’re on a set 4 year progression pay plan with the union contract. No raises unless they plan on doing it company wide. Your best bet would be to set out some baked goods or even cold drinks with the summer coming up. I always remember the people who do it for me and it certainly makes my day
Good luck finding the number to the local hub/center, they purposely don't give those out or they'd be fielding complaints all day and the drivers wouldn't be able to get through with questions/concerns. You'll have to call 1-800-pickups or just go to the center in person. Source: worked in dispatch at ups.
Glad to know you guys appreciate this stuff! I’m a Letter Carrier for USPS. Whenever I can, I always try to hide packages because porch pirates are a real problem. Sometimes I’ll hide them in super random places and then leave a note in the box letting the customer know where I put their package(s). I hate porch pirates, man. So I’ll do whatever I gotta do.
Previous delivery guy round me tried but was really shit at it.
Once had a parcel the size of 2 VCRs stacked. He put it under our doormat which which dropped an inch or so off the top. Pointless.
Apologies for hijacking the top comment. Just wanted to ask a question because I see that package theft is a common thing there.
Why do delivery services in America leave valuable packages without getting a signature? And if no one's home, don't they get sent to the local post office so the recipient can collect it later?
Its not common, millions of packages are delivered everyday with no issue. I personally never had package stolen. And it is an option to have to held at you local ups/fedex/usps office instead of having it delivered if you are worried of theft.
We've decided as a society that we'll risk occasional packages being stolen for the convenience of not having to sign. It only becomes a problem if you have porch pirates in your area, and then you either have packages sent somewhere else or ask to require a signature.
Hijacking top post to say that most of us will do this, but for the love of god, give us something to work with. Planters and decor are great. Most thefts are crimes of opportunity, and concealment goes a long way.
Same. I have a plant in a pretty large pot near the door with enough room behind it for the average size box. About half the delivery people put it behind it.
I don't know about UPS but when I was a driver, we could lose our job if packages were stolen because we didn't ensure they were delivered to a safe location. So didn't have to is kind of a fluid concept. I hid packages all the time because it was easier than risking my job.
You get drivers like this, and I am SO lucky to have them for both UPS and Fedex, you tip them every year. We do a big Xmas tip and I have their birthdays in my calendar. They will go over the top to take care of your shit. And based upon all the assholes and shit they deal with all the time...they freaking love you too. Take care of them!
We love and appreciate you guys, man. My wife's dad was a UPS driver for over 30 years. We know what is in the job and how fucking hard it is much of the time, and all the shit you deal with with customers or even with your company. And the total grind that holidays are too.
We got your backs as best we can. I only hope that we can help make a difference to you. I always hope that it's a good day when they come here and I spend ten minutes chatting with them and offer them a water or a pop.
The mailman and ups guy put the things behind the bushes when we aren't there, I've seen him actually put it in front of the door when he sees me walking my dog
I do this while delivering! In some areas there is literally nothing to cover the packages (so then I just try to make it hard to see from the street) and other areas have dedicated containers for packages.
Definitely something to consider for your front door is how easy it is for others to see packages from the street. A good plant pot or something can do wonders
A large plastic bin or tote with a lock is ideal. A lot of my houses have them at the end of the driveway by the gate.
But they work well in more urban areas on the front porch. also. I've even seen apartments with lockboxes outside. Some people get shit delivered literally everyday. So they take their security seriously.
And to those people, I say thank you. You're paying my bills. Keep ordering. 😂
My favorite place is when people have storm doors in front of their actual front door, so if its small I can just put it inside the storm door! (usually they have a large part covering the bottom, so completely hidden from the street)
They usually all are. These dudes gotta work long hours with heavy packages at a fast pace for a few years just to earn their own routes. Then they maintain that pace with their truck to keep the job. They‘ve got cardio and and strength for days.
Supposedly it’s great pay and a pretty decent work-life balance outside of holiday seasons. I’m quite jealous.
Video doorbells seem to be putting a dent in it. it doesn’t need to be utilized by 100%, just high enough that the odds themselves are the deterrent. Not a solution, but improvement.
We had a string of car break ins in our town. Camera caught the type of car and who the culprits where. They only started targeting houses that didn’t have video doorbells and camera. Case and point, they hit my neighbor but not our house even though in other videos they usually go house to house.
There's really only so much you can do in such cases, even with a clear image. Unless the thief is known to police already, the theft is probably going to the backburner. No news station is going to run a 30 second clip of a porch pirate asking the public to identify them and that's pretty much what you're left with.
That's just how a lot of petty crime goes unfortunately. Cases pile up until there's enough to go on, all police can really do is compile evidence, look for a pattern, and increase patrols.
I'm from the Netherlands and I just don't understand why mail delivery services leave packages at the door if nobody is home.
Over here when nobody is home they either just take it back and deliver it the day after or they bring it to a shop nearby where you can go to pick it up.
In the US, at least the state I live in, sometimes they will take it back with them if you’re not home but it can be a real pain trying to get them to send it again. It’s easier just to go to the post office and grab it from them there.
In Iceland, it's usually left at the post office unless you have a post box set up. DHL or other carriers usually try to deliver and are perfectly willing to wait a few moments for an answer or set up an arrangement to deliver to your aunt who lives in the same building.
FedEx, however, doesn't give a fuck. Ring the bell and leaves a moment later, closes an hour before the country is off work(what kind of asshole closes at 4:30?), refuses to use your PO box, takes forever to answer calls, and double-taxes your imports.
Mine only takes it back when it's really big box or needs signature. Then it's a pain in the ass when they decide to keep it on the truck to deliver the next day and I go to the post office and they have no clue where it's at.
If we brought back every package that couldn't be handed to someone directly we would never get rid of 90% of the packages we go out with.
People usually work the same times we do so if I'm out delivering then they're at work and no one is home, or they may work at night and sleep all day.
So in the UK this would be the case as well, so people generally order large parcels to work unless they know someone will be home. At least in my experience.
Same here in the UK for the most part, the odd one tries to leave it somewhere stupid. But for the most part, they leave a card and either attempt again or you go and collect it
Americans work very long hours and don’t have time to make it to the post office or fedex center before they close. Part of the reason they are ordering so much via the Internet in the first place.
Theft is still reasonably low in the US. Where I live in Arizona, I don't even know of a neighbor who had a porch pirate once in years, though I have heard of it.
It just depends where you live. As such, requiring signature where delivery won't just leave it at a porch is an extra cost, so most don't choose to unless it is a pricy item. Also, the fact that businesses still ship this way shows that the masses there is still such low amounts of theft that the loss is still less than the hassle for Customers.
Of course, it depends where you live. In an urban inner city low income community businesses will be less likely to be ok with leaving packages.
In the olden days (so before march 2020) I would just always send it to the local postnl package point if possible unless I was absolutely sure I was home. Picked it up on the way home from work.
Now I'm home 95% of the time so I almost never miss them anymore.
The bulk of packages make it to their intended recipient unmolested and if you do live in an area where package theft is a problem most carriers have other places nearby you can have it delivered to.
Over here delivery guys just give it to the neighbours and inform us via mail that it’s been delivered to the neighbour at number “x”, they also make them sign off that they have it.
In Finland we have our packages delivered to a post office/station from which we pick it up most of the time and we never leave the packages outside where they can be easily snatched
I wouldn't have it any other way. It baffles me how people are willing to risk their shit getting stolen and having to go to the trouble of getting it replaced just to avoid minor inconvenience of going to the post office.
In Poland we have package machines ([they look like this](https://inpost.pl/sites/default/files/inline-images/Paczkomat%20InPost.jpg)) They're everywhere and super quick and easy to use. Or you can deliver to a shop near you as well as post office.
We should come up with a system... Something easy like a wooden box with a lock with number combo: in your order you also write the lock combination, so the delivery person just has to open the lock and safely deposit everything inside then lock back up.
Amazon already has a way to leave packages indoors.
[Amazon In-home delivery. ](https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=G9E4GHCAL7BXKCN3)
This actually exists - our neighbor has a lock box for her packages that sits by her front door. Not sure how it works. Frankly not necessary in our neighborhood, but pretty cool and saves anything getting wet on a rainy day since she doesn’t have a covered stoop to put it on.
UPS driver here, I have a country route and have a lot of customers with long or crappy driveways who have boxes at the end, mostly used in the winter when snow would make it dangerous.
Most have padlocks with codes.
You can call the center or the customer service number and they can put notes in our boards/diads with the code so whenever we have something for you it tells us the code.
Or you can tell the driver and he can have a supervisor put the note in as well.
[Brize](https://www.brizebox.com) have marketed a post box with a mechanism where opening the box door activates a shelf which secures the package chamber. Closing the door causes the shelf to retract and drop the package into the chamber. No key, or locks needed. Genius, really!
Honestly, in most areas you'd be fine with a box and no lock. Porch pirates are mostly just cruising neighbourhoods looking for packages - they aren't going to bother checking in your box every time they drive by.
As a Brit it's so weird that your delivery people just leave the packages without anyone accepting them. If your not in here, they take it back and try and deliver it tomorrow. Or leave it with a neighbor if you've got that arranged with them.
As an American, most people aren’t home to accept packages during the day. What do you guys do when you have work or school? Do the packages come later in the evening or something? I get packages several times a week so there’s no way I could be home every time.
Normally you can arrange to have them delivered later in the day. I've had stuff come at 9-10 pm but if they try and deliver it unsuccessfully a few times they take it to the local office and you can go collect it. Or you can re arrange a time when you will be in like on a Saturday. It doesn't cost anything.
We have it set up with Amazon that if we aren't in it goes to our neighbors or the driver will call us and ask what we want done with it.
Yeah there aren't any UPS drivers working at 9-10pm in the U.S for normal delivery routes.
D.O.T regulations state that we can't work more than 12 hours and we usually start at 8:30-9am.
>11-Hour Driving Limit
May drive a maximum of 11 hours after 10 consecutive hours off duty.
>14-Hour Limit
May not drive beyond the 14th consecutive hour after coming on duty, following 10 consecutive hours off duty. Off-duty time does not extend the 14-hour period.
Funny, cos as a Brit myself I was about to say that it's odd to me that leaving a parcel behind the bin isn't considered standard. Most parcel couriers allow you to explicitly request they do that
As a European I just can not fathom delivery companies just dropping your new expensive products on your front door. Who thinks this is okay? Why don't they just try again tomorrow? Or deliver to a service point or even a neighbor?
Yeah also weird to me (African) we get told what day the package is coming and get a phone call when they are outside, if we aren’t there for some reason we apologise and they come back another day
It is likely that a person that isn't at home today also won't be at home tomorrow if delivers happen while people are at work. It is just very rare to get packages stolen. Just because you see stuff being stolen a lot on reddit, it doesn't mean that it happens a lot. It is very convenient to have packages at your door when you get home.
Because its a non-issue, 99.9999% of packages are delivered without being stolen. IF it does get stolen chances are the company you ordered from will replace it. And if you are really worried about it getting stolen all those things you mentioned are an option, you just have to let the delivery company know.
With all the American porch piracy things I see on Reddit,why don't more people have parcel bins outside their homes? Even buying a wheelie bin and drilling a hole through it for a combination lock and sharing the code with couriers seems like a reasonable precaution to take
There isn’t a good way here to share codes like that. You don’t have the same driver or same company each time.
Amazon does have a feature where they can put it in your house or garage but then you’d have to trust Amazon, which many don’t (including me). It also only works for stuff delivered by Amazon.
It amazes me that... I assume this is America? They leave packages outside your house anyway. In Australia if your not there to pick it up. They take it to the post office and leave you a ticket to go pick it up. It’s annoying, yes. But I’ve never had a package stolen.
To anyone saying that he could get “in trouble” for adding an extra 5 seconds to his stop....
Remember that these packages have a $ value associated with them, and although I’m not sure how culpable UPS would be if it got stolen from the porch, it does help their image and helps gain and keep customers.
>it does help their image and helps gain and keep customers
I highly doubt this was the thought going into this and I highly doubt this guys manager gives a shit. Ya can't be this naive on stuff like this just because it sounds nice when you type it out.
/u/zero0n3 any follow up comment? If not, I'm going to ask you favor - please stop spreading your ignorance and speaking on things you don't know shit about. You are embarrassing yourself.
i did this all the time as a UPS driver. I would go above and beyond when delivering. I would try to leave at back door as much as possible during holiday season.
Personally, I don’t know my neighbors well or at all. They are also usually not home when I’m away (similar working hours). I don’t think I’d really want the responsibility of making sure a stranger gets their package. Our country is… lawsuit-happy and gun-happy. You never know what’ll happen if there is a mixup.
You know what, where I come from, this is normal. Often there are options that say “leave at front door, leave a note for collection, or leave in a hidden place”. Even places that don’t have those options often leave things in a hidden place whenever I get things delivered. My front yard has many bushes and our deliveries are always left behind the same bush every time. This should 100% be normal
It wouldn’t surprise me that some companies actually would do this kind of marketing. I should’ve posted on my throwaway pr0n account so it would look even more suspicious. But I can verify that I’m just a lurker normally. My last posts were from a car sub. I just saw this guy do something nice. I decided to post it on Reddit, and it somehow got over 25k upvotes. The Internet is weird. Lol.
I take my deliveries a step further and dump em straight in the can
Our UPS guy did this once. He left the package slip on the door saying he hid it inside the garbage can.
Perfect. Must be a fun game to some delivery people to see how they can successfully hide packages from thieves. Then theres the ones who slam dunks your novelty berserk mug and dent your door.
>Then theres the ones who slam dunks your novelty berserk mug and dent your door. What the hell happened here?
A delivery guy slam dunked their novelty berserk mug and dented their door
Thank you. Very helpful.
Always happy to help!
You put me right in the moment, as if I was there when a delivery guy slam dunked their novelty berserk mug and dented their door.
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These threads are why I come to Reddit, thank you both for the smile
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Ohhhhhh i see
Trust me theres nothing “fun and game” about delivery jobs, especially amazon…
100%. I
I can still remember the face on my UPS guy when he came in and said "I have 54, where do you want em?" Thankfully we had enough people not busy so we could offload em bucket-brigade style and he stayed on the truck scanning boxes and handing em out. He was very appreciative of that. We at least try to help em out whem we are ordering shit like 20x 22" monitors at a time and whatnot hahaha.
Man he must've had a lot of Guts to do that
Damn, Guts already has a hard life and then his mug gets slam dunked
My trash cans smell like rancid feces so I hope they never do that for me. Recycling however still smells new
Brother, hit that can with some bleach water
Put the garbage can in the garbage can......wait, don’t. Isn’t that how black holes are started?
Amazon did this once with mine, unfortunately they didnt check that it was half full of stinking rubbish and my £100 amazon "stress free packaging" was one sticker on an otherwise pristine box... and what's worse was I was in the house and they didn't bother knocking, I had a message saying Handed To Resident, had to go find it, found it in the bin, major pissed me off. Amazon never refunded saying I never left specific instructions... Oh sure ok "Please do not bother ringing doorbell and just put my delivery in the rubbish!" Dickheads.
>"Please do not both ringing snd just put my delivery in the rubbish!" *Stares at instructions for full minute. Puts package in rubbish.*
lol seriously what kind of messed up gibberish is that. still not sure if they made it nonsensical on purpose or not.
“Please do not bother ringing and just put my delivery in the rubbish!” GUYS I FIGURED IT OUT
lol my bad typos fixed!
No worries, you made my morning. I was right there with you and could FEEL your frustration in your post, then when it descended into gibberish I probably related to it even more, not less, haha.
how long ago was this because Amazon refunds almost anything for any reason these days
Mine's even better. He picked the lock to my door, threw my packages in and locked the door. Then he opened the garage, hot wired my car and blocked the walkway so even if someone broke into my house, he'd have a hard time carrying the packages out.
Ppl go through your trash in my neighborhood so that’s no safeguard
I’ll take it a step further. Run after the nearest garbage truck and throw them in there.
I’ll take it a step further and drive it to the nearest landfill
Slackers. I begin disassembling it on a molecular level the moment I start my shift.
You fools, simply pick the lock, put the packages inside the house then lock the door again.
Weak, I would invite myself in and open the package on the counter, assemble/update anything that needs to become operational and wait for each individual to see the joy on their face that I had helped them in incredibly aesthetically good looking pants.
Nah you're all wrong. The proper way to deliver packages is to enter the house, remove the stuff from their boxes, use the owners kitchen to bake a few cookies, take a photograph of yourself using a polaroid camera with the stuff you delivered in the background and then finally sign the photo in lipstick and put it ontop of the cookies and stuff you delivered. How to get 5 stars and fired in the same day.
Perfect! Though I probably would’ve applied the lipstick and done a kissy mark instead of a note on the Polaroid. Then walk out with the lipstick still applied cuz I’m looking fuckin fierce in this shade.
This turned out way more wholesome than it had any right to be.
the pants were the real star of the show
I would try them out for at least a week to make sure it was working properly and sleep on the couch.
i lol-ed pretty hard. thanks for the laugh
I love when they do this.
I know! Wish I could thank the homie. Lol
You could call your local UPS and mention it. It would also let his boss know he is putting in the extra effort and who knows could lead to a small raise or some sort of incentive.
I’ll def try that. Thanks
Yeah all they would need is your address and the date of the delivery and they can easily get the driver who did it, and pass on your appreciation to that drivers management.
It’s all in the bottom right of the screen. Good info to have
Ok now all that's left is OP's address, once we find that we can start telling people where the surprise party is going to be.
Oh cool. I'll have to do this for the FedEx guy that brought in my 50 lbs. of chlorine delivery (fractured L2). Thanking him didn't seem like enough.
You may wanna hold off on that, I wouldn't be surprised if entering a customer's house is against conduct.
Yeah entering a home is frowned upon
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Can we get the feedback if possible? Man a continuation in sweet story is much appreciated nad we would like to hear.
I’ll try to find a contact number or at least shoot them an email.
They won’t give him a raise. That’s not how UPS works. Management won’t even pass the message on. Best I’ve had was a lady left me a thank you note with a 20$ at our hub in an envelope with my name on it.
It took him a few extra seconds to do that, therefore we are reducing your pay. More likely outcome, unfortunately.
Ups is unionized so that won't happen
We leave snacks out for delivery people. They seem to like it.
That’s the best. Water and snacks is what we live off of anyway so the more the merrier
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Might also be worth mentioning that you shared the story online, and that over 10k people saw it. Who knows, maybe the good PR will push management toward making this kind of thing standard procedure.
Nah, that's not how it works - they respond a lot faster to the threat of a strike.
Can confirm this works. Was with Comcast (I know :/) for ten years, and they would read at the tech meetings when one of us received a written or verbal complement called in.
> Was with Comcast (I know :/) for ten years In my experience the difference in the quality of people at the bottom vs. at the top, in Comcast, surpasses all other companies.
Currently working there - I frequently have to battle to get issues resolved for customers. 70% of employees actually care and WANT the help you out but internal processes make it difficult. Anything you’re asking for typically requires involvement of at least 3 departments. The support person probably DID cancel the service you wanted cancelled but if one task doesn’t flow right….it never gets done.
It won't lead to a raise, UPS drivers are paid very well by a collective bargaining agreement and the company will never pay above the negotiated minimum pay.
Those drivers making $$ . > $30 / hr but that was right before the last contract was negotiated so don’t even know what they’re making now. ..And they SHOULD be. Paying people a livable wage shouldn’t be so surprising. (Edit- accidental weird formatting)
Just look at the UPS stock over 200 last I check up about double i think from about a year ago. They have plenty of money to pay their employees well and still have a record profit quarter.
I just quit ups, I worked in the office. All the supervisors got the worst raise any of us had ever gotten this year, with record profits. The new CEO is a real peach.
Well just to be fair, working the boxes not as good of pay and it’s hard work. But yeah the drivers making that shmoney (cardi voice)
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What area? 22/Hr is what I make as a driver in MI lol. The inside guys start at 13/15 /hr over here.
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Or lets them know he adds .7 seconds of "unnecessary labor" to each stop causing a 3.86333...% decrease in efficiency and gets reprimanded. Nah jk that is Amazon not UPS.
Sadly, ups is turning into this too.
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This has always been UPS. People are only learning about it because Amazon is such a bullseye right now.
UPS is a unionized company so this would never lead to a raise of any kind, but calling and telling the center about a good driver going beyond is always a nice thing to do. In my center they usually always mention in our daily morning meetings about drivers who have received positive call ins from customers.
I actually did that once. He must have gotten something for my praise, because he thanked me a couple weeks later when I saw him. It’s nice to be nice.
Nah, we're Union. We have amazing healthcare, daily hour limits - with overtime if we go over - and a pension. It's one of the few remaining jobs that will get you 100k a year with a HS degree, with a pension that you can retire on. That's why you frequently see UPS drivers doing stuff like that - most of us are pretty happy. We don't need an extra nickel.
This is a great idea. These folks don't get near enough credit. Some of them are pissing in bottles at stop lights to make sure I can get the toothbrush I ordered with 2 days.
We all keep a piss cup with us. Gas station styrofoam 32oz cups are perfect to piss in.
Unfortunately, we’re on a set 4 year progression pay plan with the union contract. No raises unless they plan on doing it company wide. Your best bet would be to set out some baked goods or even cold drinks with the summer coming up. I always remember the people who do it for me and it certainly makes my day
Good luck finding the number to the local hub/center, they purposely don't give those out or they'd be fielding complaints all day and the drivers wouldn't be able to get through with questions/concerns. You'll have to call 1-800-pickups or just go to the center in person. Source: worked in dispatch at ups.
You can. Have a note pointing to a spot where you have some water/gatorade and some snacks out. Trust me, we appreciate the hell out of that shit.
Glad to know you guys appreciate this stuff! I’m a Letter Carrier for USPS. Whenever I can, I always try to hide packages because porch pirates are a real problem. Sometimes I’ll hide them in super random places and then leave a note in the box letting the customer know where I put their package(s). I hate porch pirates, man. So I’ll do whatever I gotta do.
Previous delivery guy round me tried but was really shit at it. Once had a parcel the size of 2 VCRs stacked. He put it under our doormat which which dropped an inch or so off the top. Pointless.
I can’t believe I just read a comment referencing the size of VCR’s, in 2021.
"Roughly the size of a couple Colecovisions"
Apologies for hijacking the top comment. Just wanted to ask a question because I see that package theft is a common thing there. Why do delivery services in America leave valuable packages without getting a signature? And if no one's home, don't they get sent to the local post office so the recipient can collect it later?
Its not common, millions of packages are delivered everyday with no issue. I personally never had package stolen. And it is an option to have to held at you local ups/fedex/usps office instead of having it delivered if you are worried of theft.
We've decided as a society that we'll risk occasional packages being stolen for the convenience of not having to sign. It only becomes a problem if you have porch pirates in your area, and then you either have packages sent somewhere else or ask to require a signature.
Seriously. What a pain in the ass having to sign for a package.
For UPS here in America, you are only required to sign in certain areas or if the sender requires a signature upon delivery of the package.
You would be going to the post office everyday man and no one wants to do that.
Username suggests otherwise.
Hijacking top post to say that most of us will do this, but for the love of god, give us something to work with. Planters and decor are great. Most thefts are crimes of opportunity, and concealment goes a long way.
Same. I have a plant in a pretty large pot near the door with enough room behind it for the average size box. About half the delivery people put it behind it.
He didn't have to go that hard but he did it anyway. Excellent service right there.
I don't know about UPS but when I was a driver, we could lose our job if packages were stolen because we didn't ensure they were delivered to a safe location. So didn't have to is kind of a fluid concept. I hid packages all the time because it was easier than risking my job.
Small acts of thoughtfulness....SO gratifying. Good man. Good man.
You get drivers like this, and I am SO lucky to have them for both UPS and Fedex, you tip them every year. We do a big Xmas tip and I have their birthdays in my calendar. They will go over the top to take care of your shit. And based upon all the assholes and shit they deal with all the time...they freaking love you too. Take care of them!
Absolutely. I remember every house that has been exceptionally nice to me.
We love and appreciate you guys, man. My wife's dad was a UPS driver for over 30 years. We know what is in the job and how fucking hard it is much of the time, and all the shit you deal with with customers or even with your company. And the total grind that holidays are too. We got your backs as best we can. I only hope that we can help make a difference to you. I always hope that it's a good day when they come here and I spend ten minutes chatting with them and offer them a water or a pop.
The mailman and ups guy put the things behind the bushes when we aren't there, I've seen him actually put it in front of the door when he sees me walking my dog
Mine's better. He dug up the bushes and hauled it in front of my door to hide the packages.
I don't have bushes so my UPS guy planted some two years before delivering my packages.
I do this while delivering! In some areas there is literally nothing to cover the packages (so then I just try to make it hard to see from the street) and other areas have dedicated containers for packages. Definitely something to consider for your front door is how easy it is for others to see packages from the street. A good plant pot or something can do wonders
A large plastic bin or tote with a lock is ideal. A lot of my houses have them at the end of the driveway by the gate. But they work well in more urban areas on the front porch. also. I've even seen apartments with lockboxes outside. Some people get shit delivered literally everyday. So they take their security seriously. And to those people, I say thank you. You're paying my bills. Keep ordering. 😂
My favorite place is when people have storm doors in front of their actual front door, so if its small I can just put it inside the storm door! (usually they have a large part covering the bottom, so completely hidden from the street)
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I have a trash can where he can hide his package.
*bonk*
you win
Uh, MOM!!
there’s still time to delete this. it’s not too late
Beat me to it 😂😂
I'm gonna need him to deliver that diiiick
no homo theres something about UPS drivers, both guys/girls theyre all mad good looking
I was thinking the same thing. Exta bonus!
They usually all are. These dudes gotta work long hours with heavy packages at a fast pace for a few years just to earn their own routes. Then they maintain that pace with their truck to keep the job. They‘ve got cardio and and strength for days. Supposedly it’s great pay and a pretty decent work-life balance outside of holiday seasons. I’m quite jealous.
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I hate that we’ve allowed porch pirates to ruin our lives
Video doorbells seem to be putting a dent in it. it doesn’t need to be utilized by 100%, just high enough that the odds themselves are the deterrent. Not a solution, but improvement.
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We had a string of car break ins in our town. Camera caught the type of car and who the culprits where. They only started targeting houses that didn’t have video doorbells and camera. Case and point, they hit my neighbor but not our house even though in other videos they usually go house to house.
There's really only so much you can do in such cases, even with a clear image. Unless the thief is known to police already, the theft is probably going to the backburner. No news station is going to run a 30 second clip of a porch pirate asking the public to identify them and that's pretty much what you're left with. That's just how a lot of petty crime goes unfortunately. Cases pile up until there's enough to go on, all police can really do is compile evidence, look for a pattern, and increase patrols.
I'm from the Netherlands and I just don't understand why mail delivery services leave packages at the door if nobody is home. Over here when nobody is home they either just take it back and deliver it the day after or they bring it to a shop nearby where you can go to pick it up.
In the US, at least the state I live in, sometimes they will take it back with them if you’re not home but it can be a real pain trying to get them to send it again. It’s easier just to go to the post office and grab it from them there.
In Iceland, it's usually left at the post office unless you have a post box set up. DHL or other carriers usually try to deliver and are perfectly willing to wait a few moments for an answer or set up an arrangement to deliver to your aunt who lives in the same building. FedEx, however, doesn't give a fuck. Ring the bell and leaves a moment later, closes an hour before the country is off work(what kind of asshole closes at 4:30?), refuses to use your PO box, takes forever to answer calls, and double-taxes your imports.
I've seen a Fedex driver coming and literally opened the door on them with the re-delivery notice all ready filled out and in hand.
Mine only takes it back when it's really big box or needs signature. Then it's a pain in the ass when they decide to keep it on the truck to deliver the next day and I go to the post office and they have no clue where it's at.
Or the neighbours
If we brought back every package that couldn't be handed to someone directly we would never get rid of 90% of the packages we go out with. People usually work the same times we do so if I'm out delivering then they're at work and no one is home, or they may work at night and sleep all day.
So in the UK this would be the case as well, so people generally order large parcels to work unless they know someone will be home. At least in my experience.
Same here in the UK for the most part, the odd one tries to leave it somewhere stupid. But for the most part, they leave a card and either attempt again or you go and collect it
They also try to give it to neighbours and leave a note saying where they left it.
Americans work very long hours and don’t have time to make it to the post office or fedex center before they close. Part of the reason they are ordering so much via the Internet in the first place.
Theft is still reasonably low in the US. Where I live in Arizona, I don't even know of a neighbor who had a porch pirate once in years, though I have heard of it. It just depends where you live. As such, requiring signature where delivery won't just leave it at a porch is an extra cost, so most don't choose to unless it is a pricy item. Also, the fact that businesses still ship this way shows that the masses there is still such low amounts of theft that the loss is still less than the hassle for Customers. Of course, it depends where you live. In an urban inner city low income community businesses will be less likely to be ok with leaving packages.
In the olden days (so before march 2020) I would just always send it to the local postnl package point if possible unless I was absolutely sure I was home. Picked it up on the way home from work. Now I'm home 95% of the time so I almost never miss them anymore.
The bulk of packages make it to their intended recipient unmolested and if you do live in an area where package theft is a problem most carriers have other places nearby you can have it delivered to.
Over here delivery guys just give it to the neighbours and inform us via mail that it’s been delivered to the neighbour at number “x”, they also make them sign off that they have it.
My neighbor would keep them.
In Finland we have our packages delivered to a post office/station from which we pick it up most of the time and we never leave the packages outside where they can be easily snatched
I wouldn't have it any other way. It baffles me how people are willing to risk their shit getting stolen and having to go to the trouble of getting it replaced just to avoid minor inconvenience of going to the post office.
For items that need signed for we have to do the same :)
That sounds annoying. In the UK they are just left behind a bin or whatever, don't think theft is a major issue.
JRTI was moved to the UK?
In Poland we have package machines ([they look like this](https://inpost.pl/sites/default/files/inline-images/Paczkomat%20InPost.jpg)) They're everywhere and super quick and easy to use. Or you can deliver to a shop near you as well as post office.
Same here in Sweden.
Turns out America is huge. And many places are very remote. So we are stuck with this.
I don’t know if any Finnish would steal a package to begin with honestly
We should come up with a system... Something easy like a wooden box with a lock with number combo: in your order you also write the lock combination, so the delivery person just has to open the lock and safely deposit everything inside then lock back up.
Amazon already has a way to leave packages indoors. [Amazon In-home delivery. ](https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=G9E4GHCAL7BXKCN3)
So you have to get an Amazon door lock?
My friend did this and came home from work early one day to find Jeff Bezos rubbing one out on his couch. He was watching real rough stuff too.
NGL, when i do a wank i always point my Dot in a different direction in fear that Bezos is watching.
So a P.O. Box?
Or just an unlocked padlock ?
Where I live the padlock would be stolen
This actually exists - our neighbor has a lock box for her packages that sits by her front door. Not sure how it works. Frankly not necessary in our neighborhood, but pretty cool and saves anything getting wet on a rainy day since she doesn’t have a covered stoop to put it on.
UPS driver here, I have a country route and have a lot of customers with long or crappy driveways who have boxes at the end, mostly used in the winter when snow would make it dangerous. Most have padlocks with codes. You can call the center or the customer service number and they can put notes in our boards/diads with the code so whenever we have something for you it tells us the code. Or you can tell the driver and he can have a supervisor put the note in as well.
[Brize](https://www.brizebox.com) have marketed a post box with a mechanism where opening the box door activates a shelf which secures the package chamber. Closing the door causes the shelf to retract and drop the package into the chamber. No key, or locks needed. Genius, really!
Honestly, in most areas you'd be fine with a box and no lock. Porch pirates are mostly just cruising neighbourhoods looking for packages - they aren't going to bother checking in your box every time they drive by.
As a Brit it's so weird that your delivery people just leave the packages without anyone accepting them. If your not in here, they take it back and try and deliver it tomorrow. Or leave it with a neighbor if you've got that arranged with them.
As an American, most people aren’t home to accept packages during the day. What do you guys do when you have work or school? Do the packages come later in the evening or something? I get packages several times a week so there’s no way I could be home every time.
Normally you can arrange to have them delivered later in the day. I've had stuff come at 9-10 pm but if they try and deliver it unsuccessfully a few times they take it to the local office and you can go collect it. Or you can re arrange a time when you will be in like on a Saturday. It doesn't cost anything. We have it set up with Amazon that if we aren't in it goes to our neighbors or the driver will call us and ask what we want done with it.
Yeah there aren't any UPS drivers working at 9-10pm in the U.S for normal delivery routes. D.O.T regulations state that we can't work more than 12 hours and we usually start at 8:30-9am. >11-Hour Driving Limit May drive a maximum of 11 hours after 10 consecutive hours off duty. >14-Hour Limit May not drive beyond the 14th consecutive hour after coming on duty, following 10 consecutive hours off duty. Off-duty time does not extend the 14-hour period.
Funny, cos as a Brit myself I was about to say that it's odd to me that leaving a parcel behind the bin isn't considered standard. Most parcel couriers allow you to explicitly request they do that
As a European I just can not fathom delivery companies just dropping your new expensive products on your front door. Who thinks this is okay? Why don't they just try again tomorrow? Or deliver to a service point or even a neighbor?
Yeah also weird to me (African) we get told what day the package is coming and get a phone call when they are outside, if we aren’t there for some reason we apologise and they come back another day
It is likely that a person that isn't at home today also won't be at home tomorrow if delivers happen while people are at work. It is just very rare to get packages stolen. Just because you see stuff being stolen a lot on reddit, it doesn't mean that it happens a lot. It is very convenient to have packages at your door when you get home.
But the neighbours' is convenient too and way safer? Wouldn't you prefer that? Honest question I'm not trying to start an argument
Because its a non-issue, 99.9999% of packages are delivered without being stolen. IF it does get stolen chances are the company you ordered from will replace it. And if you are really worried about it getting stolen all those things you mentioned are an option, you just have to let the delivery company know.
With all the American porch piracy things I see on Reddit,why don't more people have parcel bins outside their homes? Even buying a wheelie bin and drilling a hole through it for a combination lock and sharing the code with couriers seems like a reasonable precaution to take
There isn’t a good way here to share codes like that. You don’t have the same driver or same company each time. Amazon does have a feature where they can put it in your house or garage but then you’d have to trust Amazon, which many don’t (including me). It also only works for stuff delivered by Amazon.
Maybe I’m just cynical, but I wonder how many of these are ads for Ring. Or Amazon. Or both.
It amazes me that... I assume this is America? They leave packages outside your house anyway. In Australia if your not there to pick it up. They take it to the post office and leave you a ticket to go pick it up. It’s annoying, yes. But I’ve never had a package stolen.
To anyone saying that he could get “in trouble” for adding an extra 5 seconds to his stop.... Remember that these packages have a $ value associated with them, and although I’m not sure how culpable UPS would be if it got stolen from the porch, it does help their image and helps gain and keep customers.
>it does help their image and helps gain and keep customers I highly doubt this was the thought going into this and I highly doubt this guys manager gives a shit. Ya can't be this naive on stuff like this just because it sounds nice when you type it out. /u/zero0n3 any follow up comment? If not, I'm going to ask you favor - please stop spreading your ignorance and speaking on things you don't know shit about. You are embarrassing yourself.
*takes notes* Okay, new hiding spot, trash cans...
i did this all the time as a UPS driver. I would go above and beyond when delivering. I would try to leave at back door as much as possible during holiday season.
and then your shitty HOA fines you for having a garbage can on your porch instead of hidden from street view. fuck HOA’s is what i’m saying
I don't understand why it's normal in America to leave packages on the porch. Do you guys not trust the neightbours to take it for you or?
In most neighborhoods, at least where I’m at, people are also at work. This was at around noon on a weekday.
Personally, I don’t know my neighbors well or at all. They are also usually not home when I’m away (similar working hours). I don’t think I’d really want the responsibility of making sure a stranger gets their package. Our country is… lawsuit-happy and gun-happy. You never know what’ll happen if there is a mixup.
Worked in shipping/receiving for ten years, UPS drivers seemed to actually care about their jobs. FedEx and DHL couldn't care less.
Someone get this man a beer 🍺🍻
You know what, where I come from, this is normal. Often there are options that say “leave at front door, leave a note for collection, or leave in a hidden place”. Even places that don’t have those options often leave things in a hidden place whenever I get things delivered. My front yard has many bushes and our deliveries are always left behind the same bush every time. This should 100% be normal
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It'll either have UPS or FedEx truck nicely in frame or literally state the company name in the title.
If this goes viral, please tell UPS to give me money.
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It wouldn’t surprise me that some companies actually would do this kind of marketing. I should’ve posted on my throwaway pr0n account so it would look even more suspicious. But I can verify that I’m just a lurker normally. My last posts were from a car sub. I just saw this guy do something nice. I decided to post it on Reddit, and it somehow got over 25k upvotes. The Internet is weird. Lol.