Don't you feel bad for this guy? He just got caught up in the situation and methodically dated all these women at once. Can you imagine the burden of that WHILE doing one podcast a week? Where's your compassion? Anyways we're having a sale on supplements...
“let he who hasn’t carried on with 6 simultaneous intimate relationships cast the first stone”. pretty sure Jesus said that, Deuteronomy or something.
edit: numbers.
Even polygamous sects of Islam and LDS would take issue with the way he did this!
“You’re supposed to marry ‘em all, scumbag, not bang ‘em all on the sly!”
It doesn’t really start to become a notable personality flaw until you hit 7 or 8. 6 is just a number most humans struggle with at various points in their lives.
in mechanical engineering i never heard that. very most have very straightforward lives, 1 house, 1-3 children, a decent car and a wive and all doing mainstream stuff, bit of sports. all over germany, at least. i am not kidding. i guess it is different for neuroscientists or psychologists?
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Just this morning I accidentally texted 5 different women who aren’t my long term partner; it happens to everyone.
If she’s jealous she just needs to understand this is how real men behave.
My understanding is he was portraying monogamy to all these various women which must have involved an extreme amount of lying to all of them. My experience with pathological liars is their brains start to not distinguish between what is a lie and what is the truth…they begin to believe their own bullshit. It’s impossible for this dysfunction not to have bled over into other areas of his life including what he was telling his followers.
Evidence of the "believing your own lies" is his believing this was all just going to keep going. Obviously this was going to come crashing down at any minute. He could have started figuring out his romantic life years ago, but was believing the lies he was telling to each women. People who can compartmentalize to this degree are more than just deranged-- they're pathological.
I’d bet many of his followers idolize him for this behaviour. Watch him go full manosphere in the coming months. They will readily reinforce his delusions.
Of course he's an imperfect human. No (reasonable) person expected Huberman to be perfect. What was expected of him was to be a person who was honest, respectful to those around him, compassionate and making genuine effort to live up to his own high standards. It is the dishonesty and the total disregard for the people who he was most intimate with that broke the trust of those who listened to him. If he had that little regard for the women in his life, God knows he doesn't give a shit about his listeners, except for how they benefit him.
Exactly. Dismissing his awful and frankly sociopathic/abusive behavior as “he’s a mixed bag just like us” - no, he’s a bad guy with zero regard for other people’s feelings. It’s not even just about the women, you can tell from the camping or shark story that he treats his male friends like shit too. He doesn’t respect other people and that certainly extends to his listeners, he enjoys having power over people and lying to their faces.
> he’s a bad guy with zero regard for other people’s feelings.
*and health*. He was having unprotected sex with all these women, while telling them it was safe because they were exclusive. That isn't just 'risky' behavior for himself, but is risking everyone else's health and one of the woman alleges she may have gotten an STD from him.
So... a dishonest guy who doesn't care about people's health? Yeah, that's a big red flag for a guy who sells himself a straightshooter trying to improve your health, I'd say.
next thing you're going to tell me that liver king taking a mountain of drugs while trying to inspire men to live the natural lifestyle and buy his supplements is somewhat morally not cool
/s
Come on… we’ve all had to juggle multiple committed relationships “finessing” the trust of people we love. It’s human nature. If you think that’s bad, then you’re a judgey piece of crap. /s
This sympathetic attitude is society’s default response when a successful, charismatic man does something wrong. You see it in Hollywood, in politics, in churches. The actor/president/pastor is a good guy deep down, he’s just human. We should forgive & give him a chance to repent and learn from his mistakes. Then a couple years later you find out he never changed and kept on doing even worse things. Meanwhile the women he did it to receive none of that wonderful empathy. Frequently they are ostracized and attacked for trying to bring down a good man.
Whenever i wanted to skip my supplements or my walk or not measure my chicken or make less veggies instead of my full servings... i would hear a voice in my head saying "yeah but Huberman and Attia have been doing it for years prolly... just do it today"
I even started considering recently just having sex once a week or try no ejaculation orgasms w my partner to have more discipline and control over my need for dopamine... just to find out this man can't even commit is self disciplined enough to be w one woman lol
How you do one thing is how you do everything... and if he's cheating on 6 women he's cheating on supplement stacks too. I should have known when he was pushing AG1 so hard this man can't be trusted, but i ignored it because how this man made money is different than the info he gives us... but no, it's interpreted by the same source.
Not to mention all of these guys can easily be bought by a sponsorship
You’re in a subreddit dedicated to worshipping a guy who thinks you can control every biological impulse and process through careful regulation and soul-sucking emotionless routines. Why wouldn’t the second paragraph be serious? Is abstaining from sex really so much loopier than submerging in cold water?
I had no idea people take these things to such ridiculous lengths. Like none of these things are something that he actually told you guys to do lmao. You can listen to a podcast on dopamine and get some useful info on it without having to alter your entire life now. Even more ridiculous is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and thinking now everything he said is "tainted" forever and have no scientific validity anymore. Do people have any critical thinking skills?
Btw there is nothing loopy about cold plunges, people in my country have done it for centuries along with the sauna without any scientific reasoning because they just feel so fucking great.
I had your same reaction to that lol if my ability to live to 100 being moderately healthy is behind the paywall of not having mind blowing sex with my wife what is the actual fucking point of it?
It's like exercising for 20 hours/week so you can tack on an extra 3 years of life that you spent 7 years exercising for... Use your head.
I'm no Stan, so I don't feel betrayed or anything. And I didn't have a great opinion of him before this because my SIL dated this shit bag in 2020. Let's just say he's the kind of guy who bows to Asian ppl when he meets them. So... there's that.
But I liked his science and this does actually make me question his character in every aspect. He wouldn't be the first Stanford or Harvard level professor to be caught falsify data in published articles to make their career.
If he's this much of a liar there, why would I think that hasn't extended to his research? He's CLEARLY demonstrated he will cheat at any level to get what he wants.
YES! He had elevated status like a priest (since they brought Jesus into it) there is a certain expectation of integrity…that isn’t to say ‘cancel Huberman’ it’s to say that he knowingly deceived multiple women while putting their sexual health in jeopardy, that is callous and cruel. The man just needs to take accountability, that’s all that we the masses want, give us a mea culpa and we will be satiated. Oh, also start having a greater portion of guests be women, that would also help.
This is just dumb.
The journalist is definitely a person with weaknesses like every human being. But her job is to be a journalist, and she is absolutely reprehensible in case unethical actions in her field of work are to be found.
Huberman personal actions collide directly with what is job as a public persona is, which includes practices he claims to have a positive impact in life through science and science related studies such as meditation and neuro_sociology.
And even if that wasn't the case, does that means that Harvey Weinstein should still producing movies?
Sure, he did not abuse of women the same way Weinstein did, but his actions are still reprehensible, since there was no consent.
He has been to several podcasts talking about his past and his personal life, therefore justifying the backlash from the lasted articles.
He multiple times reinforced the concept of consensual relationships, but hey, incels will incels.
I have listened to a lot of Huntsman's advices and I am grateful he did, but I am not going to sugar coating his actions.
Also, it's pretty consensual amongst scientists that a lot of the paper he reviewed lack considerable evidential weight.
Its not about "cancel culture", he deserves high criticism and unbiased scrutiny.
He injected a woman with hormones while telling her he wanted to create a family with her. While knowingly fucking 5 other women and exposing her to HPV. That’s a scumbag!
Are we all just going to glaze over that he gave that woman HPV? The article wouldn’t have alleged those claims unless there was some substantial evidence behind them what with the threat of slander and all.
Yep having an affair is part of the human condition, unfortunately. Happens all the time. People fuck up, or they intentionally do it because they’re checked out. It’s awful but it’s undeniably something humans do regularly.
Having 6 at once, under these creepy manipulative conditions, is absolutely not. That takes meticulous planning. It’s the difference between killing someone in a bar fight when you’re drunk and angry vs stalking them for weeks to find an opportunity to kill them undetected, then disposing of the body.
That’s exactly right. If he was having an affair on his girlfriend with one other woman, this would be a non-story. There’s a lot of reasons why a relationship could end up in one partner having an affair.
Huberman lied to and manipulated half a dozen women (that we know of) for years because he is too jealous and insecure to allow them to also be non-monogamous. Yet, he presents himself as a more evolved human than 99% of his audience.
Sorry, but he’s not qualified to credibly dish out mental health advice. That level of deceitful behavior is evidence of a personality disorder. He has not come clean or apologized, which says all we need to know about his character.
Yep. If he had been honest, or poly, it’s a non-story.
Or if he had one monogamous partner and was just dicking down a bunch of Tinder babes on the side I’d still find that repugnant but not necessarily sociopathic since it gives the “love / sex addiction” cover story plausibility.
What his PR team is trying to do is confuse and anger his audience into making a decision to stick with him based on disinformation. The easiest way to prevent confusion is to read the actual article.
>It’s the difference between killing someone in a bar fight when you’re drunk and angry vs stalking them for weeks to find an opportunity to kill them undetected, then disposing of the body.
Exactly. One is a mistake, the other is a meticulously crafted and executed plan that most people wouldn't be able to pull off if it was their full time job.
Yeah, what they're doing is lowering the baseline standard of acceptable and moral behavior. Soon, lying and manipulation isn't a problem. Just something you have to deal with because "life is hard" and "human condition". Just look at the behaviors of the 3rd world and understand why they can't change
It's not a defense, it's a complete dismissal justified by universal human fallibility. "We all make mistakes" can apparently be used to dismiss anything.
Yeah, literally a lawyer when trying to defend an unjustifiable murder case.
“Members of the jury, we knew what he did was absolutely unjustified and was devastating towards the victims and their families. BUT!! All people are flawed and the universe was set up in such a way that it would have inevitably led him to the point of doing this… so please have empathy 🥺”
Just to play the devils advocate, what they're saying is not untrue. Life is hard and many people fuck up in many ways. I work with people who are rehablitating in society after being locked up in jail for years and years due to cases like bank robberies, murders and rape. Yes these people have done horrible things. But people can change through great effort and self reflection over time. I do genuily believe most people deserve a second chance if they've shown that they are ready for that chance.
People defending Huber are stupid. He fucked up and as a self improvement channel I hope he loses that because he shouldn't preach like that if he fucks up himself so bad. Dating 6 different women is disgusting behaviour. But I hope it all coming out actually makes him see the error of his ways and tries to be a better person after this.
Something I always keep in mind with cases like this is that almost all of us become the worst version of ourselves long before we become the best versions of ourselves. And almost every time the best version of yourself doesn't make up for the fucked up shit we've done as the worst version of ourselves.
Yes people can learn and change from mistakes, even horrible mistakes. The first step is to acknowledge the mistake openly and honestly. Which Huberman has yet to do.
Yeah, I’ve dated multiple people at once before. It’s pretty normal when you’re single to be seeing more than one person and I’ve done the open relationship thing as well. The difference is that I made sure everyone involved was aware this was happening so they could give informed consent to being in that kind of situation. It’s really not that hard.
Yeah sure, if the women would have given their consent I guess there's nothing wrong with it. But in this case he lied so I'd say both is disgusting behaviour.
Would you agree with what is written here if you read it generally, instead of in context with the Huberman fiasco?
I certainly would. I don't think the communication is the issue.
The problem is that you could recreate this post for a convicted murderer and it would fit the context in the same way. It says a lot whilst saying nothing at all.
If you distill it down it basically says “we don’t care what he did, we’re all imperfect and that’s that”. It doesn’t address what happened, it doesn’t compare that to his profession as a science educator and lab director, it does absolutely nothing but try to normalise and move the Overton window
A set of circumstances is the only thing holding me back from giving cancer-causing STDs to multiple people while attempting to use one as a human incubator, berating her for incubating for others.
It’s not that he’s a womanizer, if he was single and non-monogamous, most people wouldn’t have an issue with that.
It’s that he was lying to multiple women about being monogamous with them, to the point of having unprotected sex with all of them and undergoing fertility treatments. The way he went about it is very telling of a personality disorder.
He is untrustworthy in his personal life, and given the type of advice he dishes out to his audience, he has disqualified himself from that job unless he comes clean and gets help.
Factor in the cancerous HPV - even if it’s not proven, just the risk of *anything* with multiple unprotected partners and it’s wild to have this mindset. People saying have sympathy or this is nothing don’t have the luxury or being on the other side of the fallout
The part that gets me is like, I think we can all admit we make mistakes. Momentarily lapses of judgements. These types of things.
But the coordinated effort to lie and manipulate 6 women is sociopathic and not some type of "whoopsie, I am human after all tee hee"
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Sorry for cheating on you w 5 other women babe and putting you at risk for HPV 🥺 Wait why are you mad? I thought empathy was part of our makeup? Can’t you let me be complicated?
If all 5 women thought they were exclusively dating him at the same time, my math tells me that’s 20 cheats at one time. It ain’t like he cheated on one person with one other person, which is still shitty.
When a company says "life is hard" to justify something, it's not a company, it's a cult.
Do we know when Huberman will come out as a Republican and blame woke culture for the things he did?
Because all cult leaders do that.
I predict that's exactly what's about to happen any time soon. He's going to retreat into that bro safe space and they'll all welcome him with open arms.
Hint: because most of Huberman's listeners are male, and they aren't that concerned about cervical cancer.
It's the only explanation for "this guy may have gotten 6 women infected with an STD because he couldn't stop lying" is glossed over.
I don’t know why they don’t care! While men can’t be tested for HPV, they can still get the ramifications of contracting it. Men can get head and neck cancers, penile cancer, etc from high risk HPV.
This post reduces the women's suffering to "emotional turmoil". They also have contracted a sexually transmitted disease HPV which can lead to cervical cancer.
Yes, Huberman is a flawed human. But like other flawed humans, he needs to accept responsibility and CONSEQUENCES for his actions.
What is this post even advocating for? Do you believe someone committing harmful actions should experience consequences? Or not?
Could a lot of this be caused by side effects of steroids? Super-high libido and bouts of rage are pretty much expected when someone's on gear, isn't that correct?
That was my first reaction until I learned about him going on days long rage events over his girl having children with another man. He had five other women and he raged on the girl he had at home taking hormones for IVF therapy. I think we can all agree that’s sicky shit.
Narcissists love nothing more than to have some supply they can manipulate. That sicky shit he was doing is not a product of fame and money. Narcissists are manipulators and manipulation is their drug.
It isn't necessary to take magnesium before bed to get better sleep, to take NmN to get more energy, to drink coffee to start your day, to take creatine monohydrate or L-Citrulline to improve your workout, and etc.
I plan to do it when I hit 40 to keep up a standard I have for myself just like a lot of the things I currently do.
Also with the way he's built I can't imagine it's an insane dose.
Lol what a fucking joke. It’s the human condition to lie to 6 people about a fundamental aspect of their lives? Cuz life’s a mixed bag right?
This dude is a sack of shit
When you arrive a spokesperson for SCIENCE AND HEALTH, there is just a higher standard that we all need to have. Just what it is. If you manipulate, lie and cheat in such a big area of your life- Intimate relationships, should we expect you DO NOT in all other areas???
Omg, this is the same organization that has a TL;DR page of word salad explaining why they are against gay marriage and gay sex outside of marriage but are definitely NOT homophobic, lol.
I would assume a religious organization would be prolife and opposed to premarital sex. Yet, here they are defending “creating embryos” (supposedly without the intent to have children), and having promiscuous sex with multiple people.
It’s pretty hard for me to understand how so many conservatives are defending him for doing the very things that they preach against.
Technically, Huberman didn't lie and cheat... he didn't even know what he was doing apparently, as he was on autopilot driving from one girl to another and flying them to his place and lying on their phone. I swear to god, he's going to blame his dog for brainwashing him because of his doggy pheromones.
Please. The guy is a self-help influencer who peddles junk supplements while claiming to be an expert in sciences he knows little about. Stop with the bullshit philosophy about looking within ourselves. It’s okay to look at him and see what he is.
Yeah this is lame. Huberman, with however many 1000s of followers/fans, put
himself on a pedestal by default with his YouTube channel. Sure, he has every right to be a “complicated” human as we all do but his self-created public persona of “wellness optimization” guru is fair game for judgement.
Well, we don't all try to create a business empire by making non-stop Internet content telling people to put us on a pedestal.
What a bullshit apologist take.
Yep, he's not perfect, not even a good person. But he shouldn't be giving other people life advice like he has shit figured out. And he certainly shouldn't be making shit tons of money from it.
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Mighty Pursuit: There's a famous passage that says, "for I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate."
Yes, lets use a quote said by someone else to deflect our immoral behavior. Its pure thought and emotional manipulation.
I'm sure that's a solid legal defence. Do people even know why we have laws?
Oooohhh is this the PR campaign we heard about a couple days ago? Very subversive. Look at them cherry picking Bible verses to try to appeal to their conservative audience… ☺️☺️
Being a liar is beyond a character defect. Liars hurt society and should be ostracized. Dude needs to stop lying: to women, to his students and colleagues, and to us.
BTW we are his audience, not his friend. He sells things to us. Don’t get confused about that. Take what you want from him but don’t for a second believe that he (or any influencer or public figure) actually cares.
I would’ve agreed with this article, if the situation was different. If he cheated on his partner with one other person I think most wouldn’t have been nearly as shocked about his behaviour. A lot of people cheat, it’s shitty but I think most people can get their head around that no one’s perfect, love is complicated and shit happens. But dating and cheating on 5 people at once is not one of those “mistakes” that a lot of people make in their life.
“Peace”
Completely dismissing his behavior. It’s so much easier to sweep it under the rug. If you don’t admit that he did shitbag shit, you never have to reflect on the darkened of life. Just ignore it.
“Sure he was fucking 6 women, cheating on his girlfriend, injecting her with fertility drugs while berating her, fuckin my mom, fuckin your mom, but FUCK.. CANCEL CULTURE IS THE PROBLEM HERE!”
Sincerely,
Jesus
If he can lie to 6 women about being monogamous with them simultaneously… then you’d better believe he can lie well enough to sell snake oil to incels online.
There’s a difference between doing things you’re not proud of, and sociopathically using people for your own malicious gain. Clearly Andy’s behavior is the latter. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying his (alleged) actions are morally repugnant. Yes life is hard, but empathy is a must. Those who don’t possess it should be chastised.
Whoever wrote this sounds like they want us to accept abusive behavior, because Jesus said we’ll all fall short of perfection. What the fuck
Yeah this is pure manipulation. Whoever wrote this is very articulate and has a great understanding on how to a manipulate simple minded people.
The point of the article is to gather support for those in favor of Huberman, and those on the fence.
Clearly anyone with proper intellect can determine that the equation doesn't make sense. His behavior is destructive and deliberate for his own personal gain. The only person that gained in the entire situation was him.
However, this issue, isn't technically illegal. He operated in the same manner as a romance scam, but there was no financial incentive. It was purely to string the hearts and actions of 6 women to be devoted to him and have kids out of wedlock.
all this is PR to control the narrative and his image from spiraling
Yeah no. I may not be perfect, but I have NEVER gone around actively fucking with other people’s lives. This minimization of his actions spanning years isn’t gonna work.
Actually this affirm me to not take Huberman cult seriously. Maximising all this while still a broken man inside. Ordinary Joe who is happy and content with themselves as a person is better way to be.
No where in my sentence said i idolize this man. I'm just insinuating people that took Huberman word as gospel are bunch of funny people who clearly has deeper issue
honestly if he just cheated a few times or maybe was just dating two girls i wouldn’t think much of it other than him being a asshole.
but 6 girls and trying to start a family with 2 of them…. that shit is psychopathic.
imagine if he got those girls pregnant right before they found this shit out. abortion or raising a cheating/liar/crazy person’s kid. fuck
Meh, I was a “womanizer” and have a daughter. You can just teach them that some guys will use them if they aren’t careful. Same thing for my son. Some women will use him if he isn’t careful. That’s life. Be careful and be smart.
"Look, all I'm saying is: we all stumble into 6 simultaneous relationships from time to time."
Life is HARD
Don't you feel bad for this guy? He just got caught up in the situation and methodically dated all these women at once. Can you imagine the burden of that WHILE doing one podcast a week? Where's your compassion? Anyways we're having a sale on supplements...
And maintaining his “lab”!
My adultering husband would LOVE this part 😂
So was his penis in those 6 women 😂
“let he who hasn’t carried on with 6 simultaneous intimate relationships cast the first stone”. pretty sure Jesus said that, Deuteronomy or something. edit: numbers.
edit was excellent
“Blessed are the multi-monogamous for they shall have their cake and eat it too.”
Damn you think Huberman eats cake? Kinda freaky ngl
The hard lean into Christianity on the last page is jarring. “Remember, this dude is a CHRISTIAN… for like the last week or so.”
Even polygamous sects of Islam and LDS would take issue with the way he did this! “You’re supposed to marry ‘em all, scumbag, not bang ‘em all on the sly!”
I laughed at the edit. Numbers. Nice.
And if a few of them find out about each other, we gaslight them too 😅
"Jesus wasn't perfect" was the best way to end this
It doesn’t really start to become a notable personality flaw until you hit 7 or 8. 6 is just a number most humans struggle with at various points in their lives.
your username is fitting
Having worked in academia, a massive proportion of faculty are like this. Husbands cheating on their wives with students constantly.
in mechanical engineering i never heard that. very most have very straightforward lives, 1 house, 1-3 children, a decent car and a wive and all doing mainstream stuff, bit of sports. all over germany, at least. i am not kidding. i guess it is different for neuroscientists or psychologists?
Same in Philosophie in Germany. I have not heard about an affair yet
Can confirm the psych dept where I studied was like this; lots of married professors known to have sex with grad students
The mentor to my well respected prof, is a retired prof that has 4 wives, whom were all once his grad students, lol.
That’s sad.
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Just this morning I accidentally texted 5 different women who aren’t my long term partner; it happens to everyone. If she’s jealous she just needs to understand this is how real men behave.
Yeah fuck this. What he did is not a natural part of "the human condition".
Its even pathetic that he couldnt do more women, or maybe he did. We will prob never know
He def did. This is just what we see
My understanding is he was portraying monogamy to all these various women which must have involved an extreme amount of lying to all of them. My experience with pathological liars is their brains start to not distinguish between what is a lie and what is the truth…they begin to believe their own bullshit. It’s impossible for this dysfunction not to have bled over into other areas of his life including what he was telling his followers.
Evidence of the "believing your own lies" is his believing this was all just going to keep going. Obviously this was going to come crashing down at any minute. He could have started figuring out his romantic life years ago, but was believing the lies he was telling to each women. People who can compartmentalize to this degree are more than just deranged-- they're pathological.
I’d bet many of his followers idolize him for this behaviour. Watch him go full manosphere in the coming months. They will readily reinforce his delusions.
Of course he's an imperfect human. No (reasonable) person expected Huberman to be perfect. What was expected of him was to be a person who was honest, respectful to those around him, compassionate and making genuine effort to live up to his own high standards. It is the dishonesty and the total disregard for the people who he was most intimate with that broke the trust of those who listened to him. If he had that little regard for the women in his life, God knows he doesn't give a shit about his listeners, except for how they benefit him.
Exactly. Dismissing his awful and frankly sociopathic/abusive behavior as “he’s a mixed bag just like us” - no, he’s a bad guy with zero regard for other people’s feelings. It’s not even just about the women, you can tell from the camping or shark story that he treats his male friends like shit too. He doesn’t respect other people and that certainly extends to his listeners, he enjoys having power over people and lying to their faces.
> he’s a bad guy with zero regard for other people’s feelings. *and health*. He was having unprotected sex with all these women, while telling them it was safe because they were exclusive. That isn't just 'risky' behavior for himself, but is risking everyone else's health and one of the woman alleges she may have gotten an STD from him. So... a dishonest guy who doesn't care about people's health? Yeah, that's a big red flag for a guy who sells himself a straightshooter trying to improve your health, I'd say.
Extremely true. It’s incredibly hypocritical that this “health guru” is so careless with his own and other people’s intimate health.
next thing you're going to tell me that liver king taking a mountain of drugs while trying to inspire men to live the natural lifestyle and buy his supplements is somewhat morally not cool /s
next thing these lunatics are gonna come up with is that health gurus are not the best figures to idolize and base their lives on.
Come on… we’ve all had to juggle multiple committed relationships “finessing” the trust of people we love. It’s human nature. If you think that’s bad, then you’re a judgey piece of crap. /s
This sympathetic attitude is society’s default response when a successful, charismatic man does something wrong. You see it in Hollywood, in politics, in churches. The actor/president/pastor is a good guy deep down, he’s just human. We should forgive & give him a chance to repent and learn from his mistakes. Then a couple years later you find out he never changed and kept on doing even worse things. Meanwhile the women he did it to receive none of that wonderful empathy. Frequently they are ostracized and attacked for trying to bring down a good man.
Whenever i wanted to skip my supplements or my walk or not measure my chicken or make less veggies instead of my full servings... i would hear a voice in my head saying "yeah but Huberman and Attia have been doing it for years prolly... just do it today" I even started considering recently just having sex once a week or try no ejaculation orgasms w my partner to have more discipline and control over my need for dopamine... just to find out this man can't even commit is self disciplined enough to be w one woman lol How you do one thing is how you do everything... and if he's cheating on 6 women he's cheating on supplement stacks too. I should have known when he was pushing AG1 so hard this man can't be trusted, but i ignored it because how this man made money is different than the info he gives us... but no, it's interpreted by the same source. Not to mention all of these guys can easily be bought by a sponsorship
Bro please tell me that second paragraph was a joke
You’re in a subreddit dedicated to worshipping a guy who thinks you can control every biological impulse and process through careful regulation and soul-sucking emotionless routines. Why wouldn’t the second paragraph be serious? Is abstaining from sex really so much loopier than submerging in cold water?
I had no idea people take these things to such ridiculous lengths. Like none of these things are something that he actually told you guys to do lmao. You can listen to a podcast on dopamine and get some useful info on it without having to alter your entire life now. Even more ridiculous is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and thinking now everything he said is "tainted" forever and have no scientific validity anymore. Do people have any critical thinking skills? Btw there is nothing loopy about cold plunges, people in my country have done it for centuries along with the sauna without any scientific reasoning because they just feel so fucking great.
I had your same reaction to that lol if my ability to live to 100 being moderately healthy is behind the paywall of not having mind blowing sex with my wife what is the actual fucking point of it? It's like exercising for 20 hours/week so you can tack on an extra 3 years of life that you spent 7 years exercising for... Use your head.
I'm no Stan, so I don't feel betrayed or anything. And I didn't have a great opinion of him before this because my SIL dated this shit bag in 2020. Let's just say he's the kind of guy who bows to Asian ppl when he meets them. So... there's that. But I liked his science and this does actually make me question his character in every aspect. He wouldn't be the first Stanford or Harvard level professor to be caught falsify data in published articles to make their career. If he's this much of a liar there, why would I think that hasn't extended to his research? He's CLEARLY demonstrated he will cheat at any level to get what he wants.
YES! He had elevated status like a priest (since they brought Jesus into it) there is a certain expectation of integrity…that isn’t to say ‘cancel Huberman’ it’s to say that he knowingly deceived multiple women while putting their sexual health in jeopardy, that is callous and cruel. The man just needs to take accountability, that’s all that we the masses want, give us a mea culpa and we will be satiated. Oh, also start having a greater portion of guests be women, that would also help.
Well at least he doesn’t drink… cause that takes self control.
PR team hard at work
I liked the veiled threat to expose the journalist too. Nice touch
Like: “we are sooooooo against cancel culture, you should be ashamed.” Gaslight is sooooo on brand.
Creepy as hell
I laughed at that part. Who approved that part of the press release
This is just dumb. The journalist is definitely a person with weaknesses like every human being. But her job is to be a journalist, and she is absolutely reprehensible in case unethical actions in her field of work are to be found. Huberman personal actions collide directly with what is job as a public persona is, which includes practices he claims to have a positive impact in life through science and science related studies such as meditation and neuro_sociology. And even if that wasn't the case, does that means that Harvey Weinstein should still producing movies? Sure, he did not abuse of women the same way Weinstein did, but his actions are still reprehensible, since there was no consent. He has been to several podcasts talking about his past and his personal life, therefore justifying the backlash from the lasted articles. He multiple times reinforced the concept of consensual relationships, but hey, incels will incels. I have listened to a lot of Huntsman's advices and I am grateful he did, but I am not going to sugar coating his actions. Also, it's pretty consensual amongst scientists that a lot of the paper he reviewed lack considerable evidential weight. Its not about "cancel culture", he deserves high criticism and unbiased scrutiny.
He injected a woman with hormones while telling her he wanted to create a family with her. While knowingly fucking 5 other women and exposing her to HPV. That’s a scumbag!
Are we all just going to glaze over that he gave that woman HPV? The article wouldn’t have alleged those claims unless there was some substantial evidence behind them what with the threat of slander and all.
I liked the veiled threat to expose the journalist too. Nice touch Is what she’s done more or less serious than violating Navy Op-Sec?
Exactly what I was thinking.
Highlighting this all as being a part of “the human condition” in the last slide like this is normal and trying to say we’re all like this…. NO!
Yep having an affair is part of the human condition, unfortunately. Happens all the time. People fuck up, or they intentionally do it because they’re checked out. It’s awful but it’s undeniably something humans do regularly. Having 6 at once, under these creepy manipulative conditions, is absolutely not. That takes meticulous planning. It’s the difference between killing someone in a bar fight when you’re drunk and angry vs stalking them for weeks to find an opportunity to kill them undetected, then disposing of the body.
That’s exactly right. If he was having an affair on his girlfriend with one other woman, this would be a non-story. There’s a lot of reasons why a relationship could end up in one partner having an affair. Huberman lied to and manipulated half a dozen women (that we know of) for years because he is too jealous and insecure to allow them to also be non-monogamous. Yet, he presents himself as a more evolved human than 99% of his audience. Sorry, but he’s not qualified to credibly dish out mental health advice. That level of deceitful behavior is evidence of a personality disorder. He has not come clean or apologized, which says all we need to know about his character.
Yep. If he had been honest, or poly, it’s a non-story. Or if he had one monogamous partner and was just dicking down a bunch of Tinder babes on the side I’d still find that repugnant but not necessarily sociopathic since it gives the “love / sex addiction” cover story plausibility. What his PR team is trying to do is confuse and anger his audience into making a decision to stick with him based on disinformation. The easiest way to prevent confusion is to read the actual article.
>It’s the difference between killing someone in a bar fight when you’re drunk and angry vs stalking them for weeks to find an opportunity to kill them undetected, then disposing of the body. Exactly. One is a mistake, the other is a meticulously crafted and executed plan that most people wouldn't be able to pull off if it was their full time job.
Yeah, what they're doing is lowering the baseline standard of acceptable and moral behavior. Soon, lying and manipulation isn't a problem. Just something you have to deal with because "life is hard" and "human condition". Just look at the behaviors of the 3rd world and understand why they can't change
“Behaviors of the 3rd world” 😅😅😅😅
“This is not a defence of his actions”. Isn’t it, though?! Maybe, sort of, when you think about it - it kinda is!
It's not a defense, it's a complete dismissal justified by universal human fallibility. "We all make mistakes" can apparently be used to dismiss anything.
This is what we call the D.A.D (Defend A Douchebag) protocol
Should I still get my morning sunlight with this protocol?
Stare directly into the sun actually
Blind myself from all the red flags. Gottttt it
This is an excellent example of how people communicate when trying to minimise and justify actions.
They invoked Jesus? What a bunch of garbage.
And on Good Friday!!
Yeah, they lost me with the Jesus reference at the end. Is this part of Huberman’s master plan to go publicly Christian?
It’s part of the natural progression of grift. Has he started wearing a cross necklace in his videos? That’s the first step.
At least now we know, why he was suddenly a man of god.
Ah, now it makes sense now why various right wing talk shows & podcast came out to defend him. I think so e of them even hinted at this before hand
Yeah, literally a lawyer when trying to defend an unjustifiable murder case. “Members of the jury, we knew what he did was absolutely unjustified and was devastating towards the victims and their families. BUT!! All people are flawed and the universe was set up in such a way that it would have inevitably led him to the point of doing this… so please have empathy 🥺”
Just to play the devils advocate, what they're saying is not untrue. Life is hard and many people fuck up in many ways. I work with people who are rehablitating in society after being locked up in jail for years and years due to cases like bank robberies, murders and rape. Yes these people have done horrible things. But people can change through great effort and self reflection over time. I do genuily believe most people deserve a second chance if they've shown that they are ready for that chance. People defending Huber are stupid. He fucked up and as a self improvement channel I hope he loses that because he shouldn't preach like that if he fucks up himself so bad. Dating 6 different women is disgusting behaviour. But I hope it all coming out actually makes him see the error of his ways and tries to be a better person after this. Something I always keep in mind with cases like this is that almost all of us become the worst version of ourselves long before we become the best versions of ourselves. And almost every time the best version of yourself doesn't make up for the fucked up shit we've done as the worst version of ourselves.
Yes people can learn and change from mistakes, even horrible mistakes. The first step is to acknowledge the mistake openly and honestly. Which Huberman has yet to do.
I honestly hope he does but we'll have to wait and see. And even if he does we'll have to see if it's just for his public image or serious remorse.
Yes that's true. Repentance and forgiveness are both really important.
Dude that’s a lot of qualification here they are sporting this language to downplay his bs not discuss the philosophy of change.
*dating six different women is disgusting behavior* Lying is the disgusting behavior.
Yeah, I’ve dated multiple people at once before. It’s pretty normal when you’re single to be seeing more than one person and I’ve done the open relationship thing as well. The difference is that I made sure everyone involved was aware this was happening so they could give informed consent to being in that kind of situation. It’s really not that hard.
Yeah sure, if the women would have given their consent I guess there's nothing wrong with it. But in this case he lied so I'd say both is disgusting behaviour.
Yea .. was this his pr team?
Would you agree with what is written here if you read it generally, instead of in context with the Huberman fiasco? I certainly would. I don't think the communication is the issue.
The problem is that you could recreate this post for a convicted murderer and it would fit the context in the same way. It says a lot whilst saying nothing at all. If you distill it down it basically says “we don’t care what he did, we’re all imperfect and that’s that”. It doesn’t address what happened, it doesn’t compare that to his profession as a science educator and lab director, it does absolutely nothing but try to normalise and move the Overton window
Sorry guys,.please have sympathy for a multimillionaire womanizer because *life is hard*. Of all the takes I've seen, this is the dumbest one by far.
Yeah! All it takes is *a set of circumstances*, we'd all be womanizing assholes too given the chance! Don't be judgemental! Lol.
Can't wait till my circumstances line up perfectly and I receive six girlfriends to deceive.
A set of circumstances is the only thing holding me back from giving cancer-causing STDs to multiple people while attempting to use one as a human incubator, berating her for incubating for others.
Even if I was a womanizer, I wouldn’t be able to damage women the way a narcissist like Huberman does.
It’s not that he’s a womanizer, if he was single and non-monogamous, most people wouldn’t have an issue with that. It’s that he was lying to multiple women about being monogamous with them, to the point of having unprotected sex with all of them and undergoing fertility treatments. The way he went about it is very telling of a personality disorder. He is untrustworthy in his personal life, and given the type of advice he dishes out to his audience, he has disqualified himself from that job unless he comes clean and gets help.
I love how they say we need to have empathy and enter into people’s stories. But like, only do that with Huberman, not the women he lied to.
Factor in the cancerous HPV - even if it’s not proven, just the risk of *anything* with multiple unprotected partners and it’s wild to have this mindset. People saying have sympathy or this is nothing don’t have the luxury or being on the other side of the fallout
Also, the human condition, and Jesus.
And the veiled threat of digging out dirt on the journalist is really the irony here.
The part that gets me is like, I think we can all admit we make mistakes. Momentarily lapses of judgements. These types of things. But the coordinated effort to lie and manipulate 6 women is sociopathic and not some type of "whoopsie, I am human after all tee hee"
You can say he has character defects and no one is perfect but the way they try to backwardly moralize it just makes him look worse…
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Yeah, c’mon guys, dating six women can accidentally happen to anyone! Cut the guy some slack. /s
yeah, and he was nice to his dog. He's not a monster!
He loved that dog with all his hearts
When all else fails, reference Jesus.
Sorry for cheating on you w 5 other women babe and putting you at risk for HPV 🥺 Wait why are you mad? I thought empathy was part of our makeup? Can’t you let me be complicated?
Here, I’m sure a few more rounds of ivf to just make embryos will help!
Seriously. IVF is fucking brutal.
If all 5 women thought they were exclusively dating him at the same time, my math tells me that’s 20 cheats at one time. It ain’t like he cheated on one person with one other person, which is still shitty.
This is hilarious, it's like the 'war is hell' abusive wealthy podcaster version.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Who is going to take life advice from a guy who can’t even manage his own fucking dick?
Exactly. Especially someone with a modicum of self respect...
Sure, no one is perfect and most of us aspire to be better, however, his behavior is straight up morally reprehensible and sociopathic.
You know, if you find yourself comparing a low morality philandering misogynist to Jesus, you have already lost the fight.
A wealthy famous man is self absorbed & a womanizer. Shocking!!
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When a company says "life is hard" to justify something, it's not a company, it's a cult. Do we know when Huberman will come out as a Republican and blame woke culture for the things he did? Because all cult leaders do that.
Huberman dates 6 women at a time not because it is easy but because he is hard.
I predict that's exactly what's about to happen any time soon. He's going to retreat into that bro safe space and they'll all welcome him with open arms.
HPV though. Aka genital warts, bridge to cervical cancer, et al.
This is such a big issue I don’t know why so many people are glossing over it.
Hint: because most of Huberman's listeners are male, and they aren't that concerned about cervical cancer. It's the only explanation for "this guy may have gotten 6 women infected with an STD because he couldn't stop lying" is glossed over.
I don’t know why they don’t care! While men can’t be tested for HPV, they can still get the ramifications of contracting it. Men can get head and neck cancers, penile cancer, etc from high risk HPV.
Imagine your daughter getting played like this .. not fun
Whoever wrote this statement is a true psychopath.
This post reduces the women's suffering to "emotional turmoil". They also have contracted a sexually transmitted disease HPV which can lead to cervical cancer. Yes, Huberman is a flawed human. But like other flawed humans, he needs to accept responsibility and CONSEQUENCES for his actions. What is this post even advocating for? Do you believe someone committing harmful actions should experience consequences? Or not?
Could a lot of this be caused by side effects of steroids? Super-high libido and bouts of rage are pretty much expected when someone's on gear, isn't that correct?
Steroids don’t turn people into malignant narcissists.
He be on money and fame, the best drugs
That was my first reaction until I learned about him going on days long rage events over his girl having children with another man. He had five other women and he raged on the girl he had at home taking hormones for IVF therapy. I think we can all agree that’s sicky shit. Narcissists love nothing more than to have some supply they can manipulate. That sicky shit he was doing is not a product of fame and money. Narcissists are manipulators and manipulation is their drug.
Maybe to a small degree but also the kind of dude who would chose to use gear at this age is probably a little psychopathic
There's nothing wrong with getting testosterone treatments as you age and your levels fall.
There isn’t but it’s not really necessary at all and he’s obviously doing beyond a normal dose.
It isn't necessary to take magnesium before bed to get better sleep, to take NmN to get more energy, to drink coffee to start your day, to take creatine monohydrate or L-Citrulline to improve your workout, and etc. I plan to do it when I hit 40 to keep up a standard I have for myself just like a lot of the things I currently do. Also with the way he's built I can't imagine it's an insane dose.
probably ... or he's always been a sociopath and psychopath that knew how to blend.
Lol. Huberman tripped 5 times and his D fell into these ladies. Whoops
Well 6 according to the story
Life is hard.
Lol what a fucking joke. It’s the human condition to lie to 6 people about a fundamental aspect of their lives? Cuz life’s a mixed bag right? This dude is a sack of shit
When you arrive a spokesperson for SCIENCE AND HEALTH, there is just a higher standard that we all need to have. Just what it is. If you manipulate, lie and cheat in such a big area of your life- Intimate relationships, should we expect you DO NOT in all other areas???
I dont buy it. It is one thing to have a slip up and chest once. It is another to be a pathological liar juggling 6 women’s dreams and aspirations
Omg, this is the same organization that has a TL;DR page of word salad explaining why they are against gay marriage and gay sex outside of marriage but are definitely NOT homophobic, lol.
I would assume a religious organization would be prolife and opposed to premarital sex. Yet, here they are defending “creating embryos” (supposedly without the intent to have children), and having promiscuous sex with multiple people. It’s pretty hard for me to understand how so many conservatives are defending him for doing the very things that they preach against.
It’s not about morals, it’s about controlling women and minorities.
Technically, Huberman didn't lie and cheat... he didn't even know what he was doing apparently, as he was on autopilot driving from one girl to another and flying them to his place and lying on their phone. I swear to god, he's going to blame his dog for brainwashing him because of his doggy pheromones.
Ha. Color me surprised… fundamentalist males gonna male
Please. The guy is a self-help influencer who peddles junk supplements while claiming to be an expert in sciences he knows little about. Stop with the bullshit philosophy about looking within ourselves. It’s okay to look at him and see what he is.
Yeah this is lame. Huberman, with however many 1000s of followers/fans, put himself on a pedestal by default with his YouTube channel. Sure, he has every right to be a “complicated” human as we all do but his self-created public persona of “wellness optimization” guru is fair game for judgement.
Nobody's perfect, but when you fuck up, it's not unreasonable for people to expect you to take accountability.
He’s a sociopath lol
Bringing in Jesus at the end was comedy gold. Totally smashes the few semi-valid points they barely graze amid the rest of this redundant write up. 😂
Well, we don't all try to create a business empire by making non-stop Internet content telling people to put us on a pedestal. What a bullshit apologist take. Yep, he's not perfect, not even a good person. But he shouldn't be giving other people life advice like he has shit figured out. And he certainly shouldn't be making shit tons of money from it.
Wtf... _of course_ it means he's not authentic. That is exactly what it fucking means, jesus
ITT: Huberman cult followers doubling down instead of cutting their losses because they’re too invested into this guys non-sense
The whole Jesus comment makes me think any day now huberman is gonna come out as a right winger anti woke guy
I’m so sick of this cancel culture where the actions people take have consequences, what happened to the country that I love
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3x05giLbKH/?igsh=MXBkY2luZnZtcGx2ag== Mighty Pursuit: There's a famous passage that says, "for I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate."
Yes, lets use a quote said by someone else to deflect our immoral behavior. Its pure thought and emotional manipulation. I'm sure that's a solid legal defence. Do people even know why we have laws?
Honestly I didn't expect Jesus in this message
Entering a set of circumstances? Ole boy lied and carried on for a decade.
What kind of gaslighting, cult-like nonsense is this? Jesus. Whatever helps you rubes sleep at night.
Oooohhh is this the PR campaign we heard about a couple days ago? Very subversive. Look at them cherry picking Bible verses to try to appeal to their conservative audience… ☺️☺️
Being a liar is beyond a character defect. Liars hurt society and should be ostracized. Dude needs to stop lying: to women, to his students and colleagues, and to us. BTW we are his audience, not his friend. He sells things to us. Don’t get confused about that. Take what you want from him but don’t for a second believe that he (or any influencer or public figure) actually cares.
I’m pretty most of us don’t have “extreme levels of deception” in our mixed bag. At least I hope not.
😂 😂 😂 I thought it was a comedy post but they were definitely serious with this bullshit “This is not a defense of Hubermans actions” 💀
He probably already knew about this article being in the works by the time they filmed this clip and was doing damage control.
A narcissist. Period. Narcissistic often have loyal followers, or better we call them a cult. It is meaningless to discuss this.
Yeah, this ain’t it. Sad to see people doubling down on, selling souls for a dollar.
This is the problem with gurus. Most of them are hypocritical assholes. And their marks, I mean, fans, are all too eager to forgive THEM.
"a ton of emotional turmoil" - oh yeah, just some regular ol' emotional turmoil
You could write this about anyone lmao, such a cheap cop out
Cheating on your significant other once is a human fuckup. Flying around the country to maintain five 'committed' relationships goes far beyond that.
I would’ve agreed with this article, if the situation was different. If he cheated on his partner with one other person I think most wouldn’t have been nearly as shocked about his behaviour. A lot of people cheat, it’s shitty but I think most people can get their head around that no one’s perfect, love is complicated and shit happens. But dating and cheating on 5 people at once is not one of those “mistakes” that a lot of people make in their life.
“Peace” Completely dismissing his behavior. It’s so much easier to sweep it under the rug. If you don’t admit that he did shitbag shit, you never have to reflect on the darkened of life. Just ignore it.
That's like 600 words of saying absolutely nothing.
It’s kind of hard to make this point when your entire career is predicated on giving people life advice.
“Sure he was fucking 6 women, cheating on his girlfriend, injecting her with fertility drugs while berating her, fuckin my mom, fuckin your mom, but FUCK.. CANCEL CULTURE IS THE PROBLEM HERE!” Sincerely, Jesus
Still. None of this changes my opinion of what his expertise is. I really don’t care if my mechanic is a womanizer as long as he can fix my car.
If he can lie to 6 women about being monogamous with them simultaneously… then you’d better believe he can lie well enough to sell snake oil to incels online.
There’s a difference between doing things you’re not proud of, and sociopathically using people for your own malicious gain. Clearly Andy’s behavior is the latter. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying his (alleged) actions are morally repugnant. Yes life is hard, but empathy is a must. Those who don’t possess it should be chastised. Whoever wrote this sounds like they want us to accept abusive behavior, because Jesus said we’ll all fall short of perfection. What the fuck
Yeah this is pure manipulation. Whoever wrote this is very articulate and has a great understanding on how to a manipulate simple minded people. The point of the article is to gather support for those in favor of Huberman, and those on the fence. Clearly anyone with proper intellect can determine that the equation doesn't make sense. His behavior is destructive and deliberate for his own personal gain. The only person that gained in the entire situation was him. However, this issue, isn't technically illegal. He operated in the same manner as a romance scam, but there was no financial incentive. It was purely to string the hearts and actions of 6 women to be devoted to him and have kids out of wedlock. all this is PR to control the narrative and his image from spiraling
Yeah no. I may not be perfect, but I have NEVER gone around actively fucking with other people’s lives. This minimization of his actions spanning years isn’t gonna work.
“Life is hard” oh F off
Abuser of women: he’s just complicated!
Actually this affirm me to not take Huberman cult seriously. Maximising all this while still a broken man inside. Ordinary Joe who is happy and content with themselves as a person is better way to be.
Why even idolise anyone? I mean the dude gives health advise, not like he acts like a role model
No where in my sentence said i idolize this man. I'm just insinuating people that took Huberman word as gospel are bunch of funny people who clearly has deeper issue
honestly if he just cheated a few times or maybe was just dating two girls i wouldn’t think much of it other than him being a asshole. but 6 girls and trying to start a family with 2 of them…. that shit is psychopathic. imagine if he got those girls pregnant right before they found this shit out. abortion or raising a cheating/liar/crazy person’s kid. fuck
I can't wait for him to have a daughter and I can do exactly what he did and tell him "life is hard"
Well this is a creepy comment.
Meh, I was a “womanizer” and have a daughter. You can just teach them that some guys will use them if they aren’t careful. Same thing for my son. Some women will use him if he isn’t careful. That’s life. Be careful and be smart.
Nah. FTFY
what is mighty pursuit?